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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 29,154
    edited November 24
    Just what ‘Murica needs. Yee haw! Background check, schmackground check. Under age? Convicted felon? No worries. What a country!

    Ghost guns were used in nearly half of the firearm deaths in San Francisco last year, according to the district attorney. In 2020, San Francisco police seized 164 ghost guns; four years earlier, the number seized was six. This year, San Diego police report recovering nearly 400 ghost guns by early October, about doubling the amount for all of 2020. Los Angeles police say 24 murders in 2021 have been committed with ghost guns.

    But the epidemic is nationwide, according to law enforcement officials. In the nation’s capital, the local NBC affiliate reported last week that of more than 280 arrests for ghost guns so far this year, nearly 100 have involved teenagers. D.C. police say ghost gun seizures have jumped from just three in 2017 to 306 last year.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/11/23/biden-administration-is-moving-too-slowly-ghost-guns-like-one-that-killed-my-daughter/


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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 29,198
    mace1229 said:
    Just in case it needs to be said, I don’t mean that. I don’t wish that one anyone here. I just don’t know why people support the rioting and burning of businesses and personal property.
    lol...who in the hell supports that?
    I do remember an interview where Vedder said that he hopes that people supporting gun rights "almost wishes bad things upon these people."  I'll never forget him saying that. 
  • CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via ChicagoPosts: 6,425
    mace1229 said:
    Just in case it needs to be said, I don’t mean that. I don’t wish that one anyone here. I just don’t know why people support the rioting and burning of businesses and personal property.
    lol...who in the hell supports that?
    I do remember an interview where Vedder said that he hopes that people supporting gun rights "almost wishes bad things upon these people."  I'll never forget him saying that. 


    Would you say you think about it often?  Maybe even pray about it once and a while?
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 29,198
    CM189191 said:
    mace1229 said:
    Just in case it needs to be said, I don’t mean that. I don’t wish that one anyone here. I just don’t know why people support the rioting and burning of businesses and personal property.
    lol...who in the hell supports that?
    I do remember an interview where Vedder said that he hopes that people supporting gun rights "almost wishes bad things upon these people."  I'll never forget him saying that. 


    Would you say you think about it often?  Maybe even pray about it once and a while?
    You really bring nothing good to any conversation as of late.

    If I did pray would you demonize me for that too?
  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MNPosts: 3,966
    mace1229 said:
    Just in case it needs to be said, I don’t mean that. I don’t wish that one anyone here. I just don’t know why people support the rioting and burning of businesses and personal property.
    lol...who in the hell supports that?
    I do remember an interview where Vedder said that he hopes that people supporting gun rights "almost wishes bad things upon these people."  I'll never forget him saying that. 
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.huffpost.com/entry/eddie-vedder-gun-control_n_4059887/amp

    At the risk of getting into too much nuance, is it people supporting gun rights or people actively making sure nothing changes? 
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 29,198
    OnWis97 said:
    mace1229 said:
    Just in case it needs to be said, I don’t mean that. I don’t wish that one anyone here. I just don’t know why people support the rioting and burning of businesses and personal property.
    lol...who in the hell supports that?
    I do remember an interview where Vedder said that he hopes that people supporting gun rights "almost wishes bad things upon these people."  I'll never forget him saying that. 
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.huffpost.com/entry/eddie-vedder-gun-control_n_4059887/amp

    At the risk of getting into too much nuance, is it people supporting gun rights or people actively making sure nothing changes? 
    Both is how I read it.
    "I get so angry that I almost wish bad things upon these people," Vedder said. "But I don't have to because it seems like they happen anyways. It seems like every week I'm reading about a 4-year-old either shooting their sister, their dad, their dog, their brother or themselves, because there's fucking guns laying around. But I guess it's 'fun.'"
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon HeadstoniaPosts: 28,575
    mace1229 said:
    Just in case it needs to be said, I don’t mean that. I don’t wish that one anyone here. I just don’t know why people support the rioting and burning of businesses and personal property.
    lol...who in the hell supports that?
    I do remember an interview where Vedder said that he hopes that people supporting gun rights "almost wishes bad things upon these people."  I'll never forget him saying that. 
    I chalk that up to someone just talking out of pure frustration, not literally wanting people to kill themselves because of their stance on 2A. 
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  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MNPosts: 3,966
    OnWis97 said:
    mace1229 said:
    Just in case it needs to be said, I don’t mean that. I don’t wish that one anyone here. I just don’t know why people support the rioting and burning of businesses and personal property.
    lol...who in the hell supports that?
    I do remember an interview where Vedder said that he hopes that people supporting gun rights "almost wishes bad things upon these people."  I'll never forget him saying that. 
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.huffpost.com/entry/eddie-vedder-gun-control_n_4059887/amp

    At the risk of getting into too much nuance, is it people supporting gun rights or people actively making sure nothing changes? 
    Both is how I read it.
    "I get so angry that I almost wish bad things upon these people," Vedder said. "But I don't have to because it seems like they happen anyways. It seems like every week I'm reading about a 4-year-old either shooting their sister, their dad, their dog, their brother or themselves, because there's fucking guns laying around. But I guess it's 'fun.'"
    It’s too semantical (if that wasn’t a word, it is now) to get further into who/what he meant. Eddie says outlandish shock-value things…only one of which pissed me off (I got smacked around on the Porch for my thoughts on that one). Oh well, I think about the lyrics to Present Tense more than I think about that.
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 29,198
    mace1229 said:
    Just in case it needs to be said, I don’t mean that. I don’t wish that one anyone here. I just don’t know why people support the rioting and burning of businesses and personal property.
    lol...who in the hell supports that?
    I do remember an interview where Vedder said that he hopes that people supporting gun rights "almost wishes bad things upon these people."  I'll never forget him saying that. 
    I chalk that up to someone just talking out of pure frustration, not literally wanting people to kill themselves because of their stance on 2A. 
    I read it as if you are not with him if something bad happens you deserved it, but hey,  It can be interpreted differently sure but when you hear him say the words and see the look on his face, it through me for a loop. 
  • CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via ChicagoPosts: 6,425
    CM189191 said:
    mace1229 said:
    Just in case it needs to be said, I don’t mean that. I don’t wish that one anyone here. I just don’t know why people support the rioting and burning of businesses and personal property.
    lol...who in the hell supports that?
    I do remember an interview where Vedder said that he hopes that people supporting gun rights "almost wishes bad things upon these people."  I'll never forget him saying that. 


    Would you say you think about it often?  Maybe even pray about it once and a while?
    You really bring nothing good to any conversation as of late.

    If I did pray would you demonize me for that too?


    depends...which god?
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  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MNPosts: 3,966
    mace1229 said:
    Just in case it needs to be said, I don’t mean that. I don’t wish that one anyone here. I just don’t know why people support the rioting and burning of businesses and personal property.
    lol...who in the hell supports that?
    I do remember an interview where Vedder said that he hopes that people supporting gun rights "almost wishes bad things upon these people."  I'll never forget him saying that. 
    I chalk that up to someone just talking out of pure frustration, not literally wanting people to kill themselves because of their stance on 2A. 
    I read it as if you are not with him if something bad happens you deserved it, but hey,  It can be interpreted differently sure but when you hear him say the words and see the look on his face, it through me for a loop. 
    I'm sure how we all read it is informed in part on our biases about the issue and him. There's definitely an Ed/Band can do know wrong feeling sometimes (more on the Porch than here). I read it more like Hugh because of my feelings on on guns and gun culture, but either way, it's not something that's particularly impactful or meaningful in the long run. I have actual friends that say dumber things on a more frequent basis.
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 23,196
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon HeadstoniaPosts: 28,575
    a 5 year old is dead because a teen discharged a firearm while trying to make a social media post. 

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/27/us/minnesota-child-shot/index.html
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 23,196
    a 5 year old is dead because a teen discharged a firearm while trying to make a social media post. 

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/27/us/minnesota-child-shot/index.html
    who's gun was it? they need charged too.

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  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, ColoradoPosts: 9,224
    Guns don't  kill people


    The owners of gun stores kill their own employees....


  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 29,198
    Guns don't  kill people


    The owners of gun stores kill their own employees....


    bbgun, paintball gun, real gun, prop gun.  All the same principles to handling them...
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    Remember the Thomas Nine!! (10/02/2018)

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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 29,154
    Another “responsible” gun owner. Should he lose his right to possess firearms? Maybe have to learn how to ensure a weapon is cleared first? Or, he’s suffered enough?

    https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/sheriff-hunter-accidentally-kills-11-year-daughter-81454831
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  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 6,195
    The Onion’s going to have to update the image in this article / tweet… again. 


  • cblock4lifecblock4life Posts: 619
    Another school shooting.  I’m turning my gun in.  Time to get rid of them all and stop this madness. 
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 23,196


     
    Sheriff: Dad of Michigan school shooting suspect bought gun
    By MIKE HOUSEHOLDER and RYAN KRYSKA
    14 mins ago

    OXFORD TOWNSHIP, Mich. (AP) — A 15-year-old sophomore opened fire at his Michigan high school on Tuesday, killing three students and wounding eight other people, including one teacher, authorities said.

    Oakland County Sheriff Michael Bouchard said late Tuesday that investigators were still trying to determine a motive for the shooting at Oxford High School in Oxford Township, a community of about 22,000 people roughly 30 miles (48 kilometers) north of Detroit.

    “The person’s got the most insight is not talking,” Bouchard said at a news conference.

    The suspect's father bought the 9mm Sig Sauer used in the shooting on Friday, Bouchard said, adding that he did not know why the man bought the gun. Bouchard said the suspect had practiced shooting with the gun and posted pictures of it and the target.

    Bouchard said several students injured in the shooting remain in critical condition, including 14-year-old on ventilator.

    Undersheriff Mike McCabe said earlier that authorities were aware of allegations circulating on social media that there had been threats of a shooting at the roughly 1,700-student school before Tuesday's attack, but he cautioned against believing that narrative until investigators can look into it.

    He also downplayed the significance of an incident in early November when a deer head was thrown off the school roof, which he said was “absolutely unrelated” to the shooting. The vandalism prompted school administrators to post two letters to parents on the school’s website this month, saying they were responding to rumors of a threat against the school but had found none.

    Authorities didn't immediately release the suspect's name, but McCabe said deputies arrested him within minutes of arriving at the school in response to a flood of 911 calls about the attack, which happened shortly before 1 p.m. He said the deputies also recovered the semi-automatic handgun and several magazines used to store ammunition that the suspect used in the attack.

    “He fired multiple shots,” McCabe said. “Somewhere in the area of 15 to 20.”

    The three students who were killed were a 16-year-old boy and two girls, ages 14 and 17, McCabe said.

    McCabe said the suspect's parents visited their son where he's being held and advised him not to talk to investigators, as is his right. Police must seek permission from a juvenile suspect's parents or guardian to speak with them, he added.

    Oakland County Prosecutor Karen McDonald issued a statement Tuesday evening saying her office expects to issue charges quickly and that an update would be given Wednesday.

    McCabe said he wasn't aware of any prior run-ins the suspect had with law enforcement or if he had any disciplinary history at school.

    Gov. Gretchen Whitmer also spoke at the news conference, saying, “I think this is every parent’s worst nightmare,” while choking up.

    President Joe Biden, before delivering remarks at a community college in Rosemount, Minnesota, said: "As we learn the full details, my heart goes out to the families enduring the unimaginable grief of losing a loved one."

    The school was placed on lockdown after the attack, with some children sheltering in locked classrooms while officers searched the premises. They were later taken to a nearby Meijer grocery store to be picked up by their parents.

    The district said in a statement that all of its schools would be closed for the rest of the week.

    Isabel Flores, a 15-year-old ninth grader, told WJBK-TV that she and other students heard gunshots and saw another student bleeding from the face. They then ran from the area through the rear of the school, she said.

    McCabe said investigators would pore over the school's video footage and look through social media posts for any evidence of a possible motive.

    A concerned parent, Robin Redding, said her son, Treshan Bryant, is a 12th grader at the school but stayed home Tuesday. She said he had heard threats that there could be a shooting.

    “This couldn’t be just random,” she said.

    Redding didn’t provide specifics about what her son had heard, but she expressed concern with school safety in general.

    “Kids just, like they’re just mad at each other at this school,” she said.

    Bryant said he texted several younger cousins in the morning and they said they didn’t want to go to school, and he got a bad feeling. He asked his mom if he could do his assignments online.

    Bryant said he had heard vague threats “for a long time now” about plans for a shooting.

    “You’re not supposed to play about that,” he said of the threats. “This is real life.”

    At a vigil at Lakepoint Community Church on Tuesday night, Leeann Dersa choked back tears as she hugged friends and neighbors. Dersa has lived nearly all of her 73 years in Oxford and her grandchildren attended the high school.

    “Scared us all something terrible. It's awful,” Dersa said of the shooting. “We’ve had some tragedies with the young people dying through the years, and we’ve all come together and all helped each other and we’re still coming together with them and love them.”

    For Greg Hill, the day twisted his stomach in knots. His children attend the elementary school in the district, and he brought them to the vigil.

    “Just glad that our children are safe and now it’s time for the community to heal,” Hill, 40, said.

    Pastor Jesse Holt said news of the shooting flooded in to him and his wife, including texts from some of the 20 to 25 students who are among the 400-member congregation.

    “Some were very scared, hiding under their desks and texting us, ‘We’re safe, we’re OK. We heard gunshots, but we’re OK.’ They were trying to calm us, at least that’s how it felt,” he said Tuesday night.

    One student texted that she was hiding in a bathroom with a boy who also was seeking shelter.

    After deputies arrested the shooter, the girl ran from the school and was taken in by someone living close by until her mom could pick her up, Holt said.

    “That’s our community,” he said. “That’s who we are.”

    ___

    Associated Press writers Corey Williams in West Bloomfield, Michigan, Kathleen Foody in Chicago, Josh Boak in Rosemount, Minnesota, and David Aguilar in Oxford Township contributed to this report.


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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 29,154
    The father of the 15 year old suspect purchased the handgun and three magazines that may have been involved. Should pops be held “responsible?” The family has lawyered up. ‘Murica, thoughts and prayers.
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 29,198
    The father of the 15 year old suspect purchased the handgun and three magazines that may have been involved. Should pops be held “responsible?” The family has lawyered up. ‘Murica, thoughts and prayers.
    You don't read about the responsible ones.

    I am all for punishing anyone whom can't without a shadow of a doubt, keep their weapons secure and they get used for a crime.
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 29,154
    The father of the 15 year old suspect purchased the handgun and three magazines that may have been involved. Should pops be held “responsible?” The family has lawyered up. ‘Murica, thoughts and prayers.
    You don't read about the responsible ones.

    I am all for punishing anyone whom can't without a shadow of a doubt, keep their weapons secure and they get used for a crime.
    There’s way more than enough of ir”responsible” ones to make up for them though. Way more than enough and it seems rare that they’re held “responsible.” Thoughts and prayers.
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom'sPosts: 12,471
    mace1229 said:
    Just in case it needs to be said, I don’t mean that. I don’t wish that one anyone here. I just don’t know why people support the rioting and burning of businesses and personal property.
    lol...who in the hell supports that?
    I do remember an interview where Vedder said that he hopes that people supporting gun rights "almost wishes bad things upon these people."  I'll never forget him saying that. 
    What does that have to do with people rioting and burning businesses? 

    Nothing
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    The father of the 15 year old suspect purchased the handgun and three magazines that may have been involved. Should pops be held “responsible?” The family has lawyered up. ‘Murica, thoughts and prayers.
    This happened in my neighborhood a few years ago. The 13 year old shooter took two guns from his parent's gun "safe" and shot a teacher and student before he was tackled by the teacher. No deaths thankfully.

    I'm pretty sure lawsuits are still pending against the parents.
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  • CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via ChicagoPosts: 6,425
    The father of the 15 year old suspect purchased the handgun and three magazines that may have been involved. Should pops be held “responsible?” The family has lawyered up. ‘Murica, thoughts and prayers.
    You don't read about the responsible ones.

    I am all for punishing anyone whom can't without a shadow of a doubt, keep their weapons secure and they get used for a crime.


    It's become abundantly clear that there is no such thing as a responsible gun owner

    To that point, gun owners and manufacturers should be held accountable under 'Strict Liability'

    There are two broad categories of activities for which a plaintiff may be held strictly liable - possession of certain animals and abnormally dangerous activities

    As an example: Courts have often identified blasting (the controlled use of explosives to break down or remove rocks) as the paradigm of an abnormally dangerous activity because of its inherent dangers, and they applied strict liability in cases where blasting resulted in physical harm. The victims of physical harm resulting from blasting were often totally innocent and uninvolved in the activity, while the persons conducting the blasting were doing so for their own financial benefit and were well-aware of the risks. Courts therefore took the position that defendants should be held strictly liable for any harm caused by projected debris. 

    Guns can and should be treated the same way. 
    You own a gun?  You are held strictly liable for any/all damage caused by that gun.
    Mandatory liability insurance for the gun owner.

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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 29,198
    mace1229 said:
    Just in case it needs to be said, I don’t mean that. I don’t wish that one anyone here. I just don’t know why people support the rioting and burning of businesses and personal property.
    lol...who in the hell supports that?
    I do remember an interview where Vedder said that he hopes that people supporting gun rights "almost wishes bad things upon these people."  I'll never forget him saying that. 
    What does that have to do with people rioting and burning businesses? 

    Nothing
    Correct.  This was mentioned last week.  It also was in regard to Gun Violence the current thread we are on and zero to do with rioting and burning business'.  Welcome back.
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 29,198
    CM189191 said:
    The father of the 15 year old suspect purchased the handgun and three magazines that may have been involved. Should pops be held “responsible?” The family has lawyered up. ‘Murica, thoughts and prayers.
    You don't read about the responsible ones.

    I am all for punishing anyone whom can't without a shadow of a doubt, keep their weapons secure and they get used for a crime.


    It's become abundantly clear that there is no such thing as a responsible gun owner

    To that point, gun owners and manufacturers should be held accountable under 'Strict Liability'

    There are two broad categories of activities for which a plaintiff may be held strictly liable - possession of certain animals and abnormally dangerous activities

    As an example: Courts have often identified blasting (the controlled use of explosives to break down or remove rocks) as the paradigm of an abnormally dangerous activity because of its inherent dangers, and they applied strict liability in cases where blasting resulted in physical harm. The victims of physical harm resulting from blasting were often totally innocent and uninvolved in the activity, while the persons conducting the blasting were doing so for their own financial benefit and were well-aware of the risks. Courts therefore took the position that defendants should be held strictly liable for any harm caused by projected debris. 

    Guns can and should be treated the same way. 
    You own a gun?  You are held strictly liable for any/all damage caused by that gun.
    Mandatory liability insurance for the gun owner.

    I know your view and guns are the spawn of Satan and I will say no to most of this.  If a gun manufacturer can be held liable then a person that dies in a speeding car crash should be able to sue the car manufacturer for making it able to drive over the legal speed limit...
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