America's Gun Violence #2

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  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,773
    edited May 2022
    Disregard 
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,359
    The Juggler said:
    Ban assault rifles. Fuck the semantics. Jesus christ. 
    I’m going to be that guy here, sorry…

    Civilians don’t own Assault Rifles.  This is part of the semantics and wording you’ll get into unfortunately.

    Say ‘ban assault “type” weapons and their similar characteristics’ and you will get no hem and haw.

    I completely understand what you mean when you said it but like someone else said there will be a merry go round about specifics but like I said, I understand what you mean and that should be understood.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662

    mace1229 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    I get where mace is coming from. he's trying to come up with solutions and is getting mocked by people who, let's be honest here, don't really know the specifics of what we are talking about. many of us know the point we want to get to, but we don't the specific verbiage. 
    I’ve believed for a while the biggest obstacle for gun restrictions is actually the anti gun crowd. That is a usually response when people who own guns and know what they are taking about want to give honest feedback. I really don’t get it.

    Anyone who is upset should want to know the semantics. If you want to have a voice and create change, know what you’re taking about. I just don’t understand it, the whole dismissing input from gun owners, or just saying “you’re taking about semantics.” Yeah, because that’s important. 

    I actually do believe a lot of people think banning AR15s will help solve the problem, not knowing that there’s lots of guns capable of doing the same thing that don’t look even close to it. And even just a ban on assault rifles won’t be as effective, manufactures and people will find ways to around an “assault rifle” ban by adding or removing some cosmetic feature or something. That’s happened before, it’ll happen again

    Most gun owners are willing to cooperate and come up with solutions and add input . They just never seem to be received well.

    I would take it back to what HughFreakingDillon  said earlier:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    mace1229 said:
    But yet when I mention ban the features of assault rifles and AR15s that you don’t like, the response is just “no, ban AR15s!”
    If it’s not a specifics gun you’re trying to ban, then why are you against banning the features you don’t like? I brought that up and you said no. Which, again, leads me to believe you just don’t like a specific gun.
    how about this? just ban all guns/cartriges with the CAPABILITIES of mass casualties without having to reload?
    I'm not going to taking some damn class on gun specifics in order to procure the right to say that I'm sick to fucking death of having these weapons available so readily- weapons that have been used over and over again in mass killings.  There is no reason anyone other than a soldier needs to possess such a weapon.   I don't give a fuck what their specifics are- I just know (we all know) they are manufactured for the sole purpose of killing large numbers of people as quickly as possible.  It does not require a degree in firearms technology or ballistics to understand this, let alone to be really sick to death of this happening over and over and over again.

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  • tbergs
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    mickeyrat said:

    All this does is bring out the argument that the right to an abortion wasn't written in to the constitution, but go figure since it took another 150 years before women were allowed to even vote.  
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Limit clips to three rounds. For fucks sake, do you have to have a microbiology degree to want baby formula plants to produce safe baby formula? And to advocate for it? Just fucking stupid.
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  • cblock4life
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    I was raised republican, father and brother hunted, dad had 3 guns in his top dresser drawer, they were not locked up.  Anytime someone came over those guns would be the first thing I showed my friends.  My favorite was his derringer, that little gun fascinated me till I moved.  I target practiced with my father all the time.  My father was suicidal with anger management issues.  He should not have been able to touch a gun, period. 

    As I said before, gave up my only gun a couple months ago, don’t remember which shooting it was that flicked the switch, there’s so many I lose count.  I felt like I contributed to a solution, as small as it was.  So protecting the 2nd amendment means absolutely nothing to me any longer. It was simple.  And now if the baseball bats we have all over the house or our pb doesn’t stop someone then it was meant to be. 

    Some of you say you will never change your mind while others defend every stupid fucking word you learned in your youth about guns and your rights or worse you made these choices in adulthood.  Everyone has the ability to change.  
  • LeafsJaysCubsRaptorsFan
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    The Juggler said:
    God Bless Beto
    Ahhahahaha you saw the press conference? 
  • RunIntoTheRain
    RunIntoTheRain Texas Posts: 1,032
    The Juggler said:
    God Bless Beto
    Absolutely.
    Throw his campaign a few bucks too if you can  https://betoorourke.com/

  • cblock4life
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    mace1229 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    I get where mace is coming from. he's trying to come up with solutions and is getting mocked by people who, let's be honest here, don't really know the specifics of what we are talking about. many of us know the point we want to get to, but we don't the specific verbiage. 
    I’ve believed for a while the biggest obstacle for gun restrictions is actually the anti gun crowd. That is a usually response when people who own guns and know what they are taking about want to give honest feedback. I really don’t get it.

    Anyone who is upset should want to know the semantics. If you want to have a voice and create change, know what you’re taking about. I just don’t understand it, the whole dismissing input from gun owners, or just saying “you’re taking about semantics.” Yeah, because that’s important. 

    I actually do believe a lot of people think banning AR15s will help solve the problem, not knowing that there’s lots of guns capable of doing the same thing that don’t look even close to it. And even just a ban on assault rifles won’t be as effective, manufactures and people will find ways to around an “assault rifle” ban by adding or removing some cosmetic feature or something. That’s happened before, it’ll happen again

    Most gun owners are willing to cooperate and come up with solutions and add input . They just never seem to be received well.
     No, what’s important is to make sure that children can go to school without the fear of dying.  When someone loses a child they don’t want to hear about semantics as the coffin as tiny as you can imagine is being lowered into the ground.  

    Let me ask you something, how is it that you’re able to back away from the ugly realities and begin your explanation processes so quickly after these events? I promise this is a sincere question.  I’m really wondering why you feel the need to defend something so meaningless in the big scheme of things?  It’s an inanimate object that requires a human to activate it. 
     I do believe that people kill people - so people just shouldn’t have guns.  Certainly not an easy task but it’s got to start somewhere at sometime.  
  • brianlux
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    cblock4life said:
    I was raised republican, father and brother hunted, dad had 3 guns in his top dresser drawer, they were not locked up.  Anytime someone came over those guns would be the first thing I showed my friends.  My favorite was his derringer, that little gun fascinated me till I moved.  I target practiced with my father all the time.  My father was suicidal with anger management issues.  He should not have been able to touch a gun, period. 

    As I said before, gave up my only gun a couple months ago, don’t remember which shooting it was that flicked the switch, there’s so many I lose count.  I felt like I contributed to a solution, as small as it was.  So protecting the 2nd amendment means absolutely nothing to me any longer. It was simple.  And now if the baseball bats we have all over the house or our pb doesn’t stop someone then it was meant to be. 

    Some of you say you will never change your mind while others defend every stupid fucking word you learned in your youth about guns and your rights or worse you made these choices in adulthood.  Everyone has the ability to change.  

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  • The Juggler
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    edited May 2022
    tempo_n_groove said:
    The Juggler said:
    Ban assault rifles. Fuck the semantics. Jesus christ. 
    I’m going to be that guy here, sorry…

    Civilians don’t own Assault Rifles.  This is part of the semantics and wording you’ll get into unfortunately.

    Say ‘ban assault “type” weapons and their similar characteristics’ and you will get no hem and haw.

    I completely understand what you mean when you said it but like someone else said there will be a merry go round about specifics but like I said, I understand what you mean and that should be understood.
    Then how the hell did this bill get passed and why the hell have mass shootings increased after it expired?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Assault_Weapons_Ban



    EDIT.--sorry man. I misinterpreted your response. 
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  • The Juggler
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    RunIntoTheRain said:
    The Juggler said:
    God Bless Beto
    Absolutely.
    Throw his campaign a few bucks too if you can  https://betoorourke.com/

    I think I will. This bullshit is so frustrating. The semantics that people whine about is so fucking stupid. Every god damned time this happens it's the same god damned thing. I'm not even a huge Beto fan but the man is authentic. You can just tell when someone speaks from the heart. Our country is fucked up and it will stay that way until more decent people get elected....and I'm losing faith that that's going to happen. 
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  • brianlux
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    The Juggler said:
    RunIntoTheRain said:
    The Juggler said:
    God Bless Beto
    Absolutely.
    Throw his campaign a few bucks too if you can  https://betoorourke.com/

    I think I will. This bullshit is so frustrating. The semantics that people whine about is so fucking stupid. Every god damned time this happens it's the same god damned thing. I'm not even a huge Beto fan but the man is authentic. You can just tell when someone speaks from the heart. Our country is fucked up and it will stay that way until more decent people get elected....and I'm losing faith that that's going to happen. 

    You said it, Juggler! 
    And yeah, it's unnerving to think were things could go this November.  It could turn out OK, but it could also be an absolute fucking disaster.  I'm hoping for the best, but hope is hard these days.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    What a hoot. Around and around it goes.

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  • tempo_n_groove
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    The Juggler said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    The Juggler said:
    Ban assault rifles. Fuck the semantics. Jesus christ. 
    I’m going to be that guy here, sorry…

    Civilians don’t own Assault Rifles.  This is part of the semantics and wording you’ll get into unfortunately.

    Say ‘ban assault “type” weapons and their similar characteristics’ and you will get no hem and haw.

    I completely understand what you mean when you said it but like someone else said there will be a merry go round about specifics but like I said, I understand what you mean and that should be understood.
    Then how the hell did this bill get passed and why the hell have mass shootings increased after it expired?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Assault_Weapons_Ban

    EDIT......jesus christ...another semantic response! I didn't even notice at first. Thanks for clarifying what you mean Tempo. I hear you. The whole thing is just so annoying to me. 
    Yeah man, I wasn’t being a jerk about it, just pointing out that I understand what you mean.

    The assault weapons ban was ending during a time where social media was just ramping up.
     We did have columbine during that ban too.
    MO besides a gun that keeps coming up?  People getting picked on and or mental problems.

    I’m not going to argue that the gun didn’t come into the equation but damn man there are other things going on that we need to look into…




  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    well I sure hope that if any legislation is made that they care about "semantics". 

    it's less semantics and more clarification for the purposes of discussion. not sure what the problem is with that. 
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  • The Juggler
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    HughFreakingDillon said:
    well I sure hope that if any legislation is made that they care about "semantics". 

    it's less semantics and more clarification for the purposes of discussion. not sure what the problem is with that. 
    We're people on a god damned pearl jam message board. Pretty sure a bill would label things correctly. LOL


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  • The Juggler
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    edited May 2022
    tempo_n_groove said:
    The Juggler said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    The Juggler said:
    Ban assault rifles. Fuck the semantics. Jesus christ. 
    I’m going to be that guy here, sorry…

    Civilians don’t own Assault Rifles.  This is part of the semantics and wording you’ll get into unfortunately.

    Say ‘ban assault “type” weapons and their similar characteristics’ and you will get no hem and haw.

    I completely understand what you mean when you said it but like someone else said there will be a merry go round about specifics but like I said, I understand what you mean and that should be understood.
    Then how the hell did this bill get passed and why the hell have mass shootings increased after it expired?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Assault_Weapons_Ban

    EDIT......jesus christ...another semantic response! I didn't even notice at first. Thanks for clarifying what you mean Tempo. I hear you. The whole thing is just so annoying to me. 
    Yeah man, I wasn’t being a jerk about it, just pointing out that I understand what you mean.

    The assault weapons ban was ending during a time where social media was just ramping up.
     We did have columbine during that ban too.
    MO besides a gun that keeps coming up?  People getting picked on and or mental problems.

    I’m not going to argue that the gun didn’t come into the equation but damn man there are other things going on that we need to look into…




    What does social media have to do with it? Does social media not exist anywhere else on the face of the earth? 

    There are crazy and depressed people everywhere. The difference between here and everywhere else is.....we all know what the difference is. No need to get the semantics wrong again. haha
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    The Juggler said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    well I sure hope that if any legislation is made that they care about "semantics". 

    it's less semantics and more clarification for the purposes of discussion. not sure what the problem is with that. 
    We're people on a god damned pearl jam message board. Pretty sure a bill would label things correctly. LOL


    I know. You're not getting my point. 
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