I see this whole thing of “doors are the new enemy of the right” thing a little ridiculous. I’ve see one person (Cruz) refer to too many doors in this last shooting. And I’m not seeing it repeated anywhere but here. No rational person, right or left, is blaming teachers and doors. I just don’t see it as the new calling card for the right. People are upset about the timeline, only Cruz cares about the door.
I've actually seen it several times, by several different republicans, in the last few days alone.
I see this whole thing of “doors are the new enemy of the right” thing a little ridiculous. I’ve see one person (Cruz) refer to too many doors in this last shooting. And I’m not seeing it repeated anywhere but here. No rational person, right or left, is blaming teachers and doors. I just don’t see it as the new calling card for the right. People are upset about the timeline, only Cruz cares about the door.
I've actually seen it several times, by several different republicans, in the last few days alone.
Did the NRA have any sessions at its conference about ways to avoid mass shootings? If they did I know it would be phony, but if they didn’t they really, really are horrible people.
Got into a brief argument with a friend who is the crowd that there are too many guns out. I said we can at least stop making the damn weapons and make the next ones work a little harder to access and maybe change their mind in the meantime! Frustrating talking with people who say there is nothing we can do or get buried in the definitions of an assault weapon.
So just have one door uhh that def would bring these massacres to a grinding halt 😳
Nobody is saying that. Same could be said that getting rid of assault weapons would bring massacres to a grinding halt. Too many out there to stop them. We can only hope to reduce the number of them by making guns harder to come by.
As for the door, my simple mind thinks of this scenario. Forcing the shooter to shoot at the door to get it open means that perhaps people hear the shots inside the building and find a way to get into classrooms and barricade the doors sooner. Maybe that would save a few lives by making the shooter work harder and make people aware of him before he gets into the halls.
i don’t have kids but if I had some in school I would want to make the school entrances as secure as possible and at the same time (we can do more than one thing at once) hope for gun control changes.
In a bold display of disrespect, Trump bashed gun control and hailed all firearms in his Friday speech, which included the kind of devastating assault weapons that killed 19 children and two teachers in a mass shooting in Uvalde just last week.
Trump wrapped up his speech smiling, with his clenched fists and wooden dance steps to the 1996 song “Hold On, I’m Coming,” written by Hayes and David Porter, and performed by rhythm-and-blues duo Sam and Dave.
The lyrics — including “Just hold on, I’m coming” — sounded suspiciously like a preening campaign song, shockingly inappropriate before the dead children of Uvalde had even been buried.
A long list of musicians — from the Rolling Stones to Black Sabbath, Adele, R.E.M., Rihanna and Aerosmith, and the estates of Tom Petty and Prince — have contacted Trump’s campaign organization to demand he stop appropriating their songs without permission to promote himself. Neither the artists nor songs have anything remotely to do with his positions, they’ve charged.
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What a drag for kids today. They either have to think that maybe the only way to be safe in class is to have the schools built like a high-security prison (and it already sucks that they are often like a low-security prisons), or go to a school that isn't guarded, bolted, wired, and fortresses and wonder if their heads are going to get blown off that day. The kids today are getting a raw deal. The worst in many decades since back to the days of child labor. What a shame. Way to fail, America.
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So just have one door uhh that def would bring these massacres to a grinding halt 😳
Nobody is saying that. Same could be said that getting rid of assault weapons would bring massacres to a grinding halt. Too many out there to stop them. We can only hope to reduce the number of them by making guns harder to come by.
As for the door, my simple mind thinks of this scenario. Forcing the shooter to shoot at the door to get it open means that perhaps people hear the shots inside the building and find a way to get into classrooms and barricade the doors sooner. Maybe that would save a few lives by making the shooter work harder and make people aware of him before he gets into the halls.
i don’t have kids but if I had some in school I would want to make the school entrances as secure as possible and at the same time (we can do more than one thing at once) hope for gun control changes.
In other words nothing will be done I’ve got a $100 bill that says by Wednesday this story will only be a small bleep in news cycle! Once the initial outrage happens everything just falls back in place! Until the next one..
Why can’t we do something as simple as raising the age requirement to 25? 18 year old can legally buy an assault rifle? Living in NYC, I can’t even wrap my head around that. You have to do more to get a drivers license than an assault rifle?
Why can’t we do something as simple as raising the age requirement to 25? 18 year old can legally buy an assault rifle? Living in NYC, I can’t even wrap my head around that. You have to do more to get a drivers license than an assault rifle?
Why can’t we do something as simple as raising the age requirement to 25? 18 year old can legally buy an assault rifle? Living in NYC, I can’t even wrap my head around that. You have to do more to get a drivers license than an assault rifle?
Agreed!
It’s literally the bare minimum and we can’t even do that.
Why can’t we do something as simple as raising the age requirement to 25? 18 year old can legally buy an assault rifle? Living in NYC, I can’t even wrap my head around that. You have to do more to get a drivers license than an assault rifle?
That would mean fewer gun sales.
If you accept generating gun sales as being a significant priority for them, the behavior makes complete sense. More profits for the gun industry = more money trickling down to the politicians.
It’s also a cultural issue in a large swath of ‘Murica. A buffet with firearms? WTF? Doomed. From someone who used to live in Uvalde:
I was born in Uvalde, Tex., lived there recently and love its complex history and people. Like most, I’ve been struggling under the weight of grief to understand the violence that left 19 children, two teachers and a young killer dead last week. But I’m not surprised.
First, you would be challenged to find a more heavily armed place in the United States than Uvalde. It’s a town where the love of guns overwhelms any notion of common-sense regulations, and the minority White ruling class places its right-wing Republican ideology above the safety of its most vulnerable citizens — its impoverished and its children, most of whom are Hispanic.
Second, at news of the shooting, I was struck to hear the words “Robb Elementary” because I knew of its centrality to the struggle in Uvalde over the past half-century to desegregate its schools. Robb sits in the city’s southwest quadrant. So I knew the victims of the shooting would largely be Hispanic. They have been locked into that school for decades.
In Uvalde, simply put, everything north of Highway 90 is primarily White Republican, and everything south is mostlyHispanic Democrat. The city has about 15,000 residents; more than 80 percent identify as Hispanic or Latino.
Most of Uvalde’s political leadership and the heads of the largest employers are White. At the center of town on the courthouse grounds, you’ll find a monument to Jefferson Davis, the Confederate president — installed when the Ku Klux Klan dominated Uvalde politics. (Some of us tried to get the monument removed after the murder of George Floyd, but that’s a story for another day.)
When I heard reports about the shooter, a young Latino, I winced at the reflexive disclaimer that he wasn’t an “illegal immigrant.” It wasn’t surprising to learn that he was bullied for a speech impediment, may have come from a broken family struggling with drug use and had experienced problems in school. Drug use plagues the city, and the courts struggle under the weight of young people’s encounters with the legal system. About 1 in 3 Uvalde children live in poverty.
The killer allegedly bought his guns at the Oasis Outback, a popular lunch spot for wealthier Uvaldeans, known for its large buffet, hunting supplies and gun shop. On most days you’ll also see groups of Border Patrol agents and local law enforcement there. It’s a monthly meeting place for groups such as the Uvalde County Republican Women, whose Facebook page includes posts decrying “the border invasion.”
The Oasis reflects the establishment’s deep cultural reverence for guns, hunting and the Wild West mythology. I wasn’t surprised that an 18-year-old could walk in and easily buy tactical weapons without anyone being concerned.
I’d also be interested in knowing where the NRA spends its advertising dollars because it’s no coincidence that as crime rates dropped precipitously from the late 90’s, after peaking from the crack epidemic that fueled a lot of it, up until now, gun sales soared. I don’t regularly watch my local faux news affiliate but when I have, the first 8 or so news stories are usually murder and mayhem, mostly from other parts of the country and featuring minority perps.
What a drag for kids today. They either have to think that maybe the only way to be safe in class is to have the schools built like a high-security prison (and it already sucks that they are often like a low-security prisons), or go to a school that isn't guarded, bolted, wired, and fortresses and wonder if their heads are going to get blown off that day. The kids today are getting a raw deal. The worst in many decades since back to the days of child labor. What a shame. Way to fail, America.
Not to mention being in a state of worry, anxiety, and hyperarousal significantly impairs executive functioning and critical thinking. Not exactly a healthy learning environment.
"Hey, honey. How was school?" "I survived." "What'd you learn?" "How to barricade myself in a classroom." "Anything else?" "Oh, that every time the door opens, I have a serious panic attack." "But the teachers didn't talk about CRT or being gay, did they?!" "Um..."
What a drag for kids today. They either have to think that maybe the only way to be safe in class is to have the schools built like a high-security prison (and it already sucks that they are often like a low-security prisons), or go to a school that isn't guarded, bolted, wired, and fortresses and wonder if their heads are going to get blown off that day. The kids today are getting a raw deal. The worst in many decades since back to the days of child labor. What a shame. Way to fail, America.
Not to mention being in a state of worry, anxiety, and hyperarousal significantly impairs executive functioning and critical thinking. Not exactly a healthy learning environment.
"Hey, honey. How was school?" "I survived." "What'd you learn?" "How to barricade myself in a classroom." "Anything else?" "Oh, that every time the door opens, I have a serious panic attack." "But the teachers didn't talk about CRT or being gay, did they?!" "Um..."
Thank turtle I don’t have to go to school anymore and be trying to learn with all this violence and confrontation going on. It’s bad enough that I have to go to an office where I have to pass through two electronic door locks or be buzzed in, so concerned of the potential for a disgruntled employee or someone else with ill intentions. Freedumb, where life feels like a prison.
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“In addition to mapping out their national strategy, NRA leaders can also be heard describing the organization's more activist members in surprisingly harsh terms, deriding them as "hillbillies" and "fruitcakes" who might go off script after Columbine and embarrass them.
And they dismiss conservative politicians and gun industry representatives as largely inconsequential players, saying they will do whatever the NRA proposes. Members of Congress, one participant says, have asked the NRA to "secretly provide them with talking points."”
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What a drag for kids today. They either have to think that maybe the only way to be safe in class is to have the schools built like a high-security prison (and it already sucks that they are often like a low-security prisons), or go to a school that isn't guarded, bolted, wired, and fortresses and wonder if their heads are going to get blown off that day. The kids today are getting a raw deal. The worst in many decades since back to the days of child labor. What a shame. Way to fail, America.
Not to mention being in a state of worry, anxiety, and hyperarousal significantly impairs executive functioning and critical thinking. Not exactly a healthy learning environment.
"Hey, honey. How was school?" "I survived." "What'd you learn?" "How to barricade myself in a classroom." "Anything else?" "Oh, that every time the door opens, I have a serious panic attack." "But the teachers didn't talk about CRT or being gay, did they?!" "Um..."
Good point, Hobbes. I also read an article in either the NY Times or The Guardian that talked about kids having anxiety over global warming. They are bombarded with all these heavy concerns. I don't have kids in my life anymore, at least none close enough to see them, and I'm not sure what I would say them at this point. It's terribly sad.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
Do all you talking about kids experience at schools have kids in school?
Edit: sounds accusatory. Not meant to be, just wondering what you experience in your life.
No longer, but I did teach 5th/6th graded years ago, and subbed for a few years, mostly 4 through 12the grade. That was before Columbine. My teaching and my students experiences surely were more enjoyable and relaxed than they would have been had I taught more recently.
We have other teachers and parents here who might be willing to answer your question.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
Do all you talking about kids experience at schools have kids in school?
Edit: sounds accusatory. Not meant to be, just wondering what you experience in your life.
No longer, but I did teach 5th/6th graded years ago, and subbed for a few years, mostly 4 through 12the grade. That was before Columbine. My teaching and my students experiences surely were more enjoyable and relaxed than they would have been had I taught more recently.
We have other teachers and parents here who might be willing to answer your question.
I have a daughter that just finished freshman year. So lucky that none of this has affected her personally. She also clearly understand and is mad when she talks about it, but when not specifically talking about it with me, she doesn’t seem to think about it at all. So very lucky for now…
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Do all you talking about kids experience at schools have kids in school?
Edit: sounds accusatory. Not meant to be, just wondering what you experience in your life.
No longer, but I did teach 5th/6th graded years ago, and subbed for a few years, mostly 4 through 12the grade. That was before Columbine. My teaching and my students experiences surely were more enjoyable and relaxed than they would have been had I taught more recently.
We have other teachers and parents here who might be willing to answer your question.
I have a daughter that just finished freshman year. So lucky that none of this has affected her personally. She also clearly understand and is mad when she talks about it, but when not specifically talking about it with me, she doesn’t seem to think about it at all. So very lucky for now…
That's good! I hope she manages to maintain a good outlook.
Growing up with the fear of nuclear war and then worrying about having to go to Vietnam (which didn't happen but it was close), I often had a gloomy outlook on life and had to dig myself out of that hole as I got older. Still have to do that now and then. Finding a balance is tough.
It would be interesting to hear from out other teacher members here about your question.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
Why can’t we do something as simple as raising the age requirement to 25? 18 year old can legally buy an assault rifle? Living in NYC, I can’t even wrap my head around that. You have to do more to get a drivers license than an assault rifle?
How about not be able to buy an assault rifle at all??? Agree they should up it to 25, but it seems crazy that at any age you can buy a gun designed only to kill a lot of people really quickly.
Why can’t we do something as simple as raising the age requirement to 25? 18 year old can legally buy an assault rifle? Living in NYC, I can’t even wrap my head around that. You have to do more to get a drivers license than an assault rifle?
How about not be able to buy an assault rifle at all??? Agree they should up it to 25, but it seems crazy that at any age you can buy a gun designed only to kill a lot of people really quickly.
I agree. My point is we can’t even make a baby steps
Why can’t we do something as simple as raising the age requirement to 25? 18 year old can legally buy an assault rifle? Living in NYC, I can’t even wrap my head around that. You have to do more to get a drivers license than an assault rifle?
How about not be able to buy an assault rifle at all??? Agree they should up it to 25, but it seems crazy that at any age you can buy a gun designed only to kill a lot of people really quickly.
I agree. My point is we can’t even make a baby steps
Yeah, wasn't attacking your comment. Just doing something is better than the current strategy.
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Why can’t we do something as simple as raising the age requirement to 25? 18 year old can legally buy an assault rifle? Living in NYC, I can’t even wrap my head around that. You have to do more to get a drivers license than an assault rifle?
How about not be able to buy an assault rifle at all??? Agree they should up it to 25, but it seems crazy that at any age you can buy a gun designed only to kill a lot of people really quickly.
I agree. My point is we can’t even make a baby steps
Yeah, wasn't attacking your comment. Just doing something is better than the current strategy.
will require those who CAN do something about it to agree its a problem in the first place and not isolated incidents. As seems the case now. Even their talking points have a lack of effort behind them because they are unserious. Both in the ideas presented and them just in general.
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i don’t have kids but if I had some in school I would want to make the school entrances as secure as possible and at the same time (we can do more than one thing at once) hope for gun control changes.
In a bold display of disrespect, Trump bashed gun control and hailed all firearms in his Friday speech, which included the kind of devastating assault weapons that killed 19 children and two teachers in a mass shooting in Uvalde just last week.
Trump then mangled the pronunciation of a list of the victims’ names, which he read interspersed with cheesy funeral toll sounds.
Trump wrapped up his speech smiling, with his clenched fists and wooden dance steps to the 1996 song “Hold On, I’m Coming,” written by Hayes and David Porter, and performed by rhythm-and-blues duo Sam and Dave.
The lyrics — including “Just hold on, I’m coming” — sounded suspiciously like a preening campaign song, shockingly inappropriate before the dead children of Uvalde had even been buried.
A long list of musicians — from the Rolling Stones to Black Sabbath, Adele, R.E.M., Rihanna and Aerosmith, and the estates of Tom Petty and Prince — have contacted Trump’s campaign organization to demand he stop appropriating their songs without permission to promote himself. Neither the artists nor songs have anything remotely to do with his positions, they’ve charged.
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If you accept generating gun sales as being a significant priority for them, the behavior makes complete sense. More profits for the gun industry = more money trickling down to the politicians.
I was born in Uvalde, Tex., lived there recently and love its complex history and people. Like most, I’ve been struggling under the weight of grief to understand the violence that left 19 children, two teachers and a young killer dead last week. But I’m not surprised.
First, you would be challenged to find a more heavily armed place in the United States than Uvalde. It’s a town where the love of guns overwhelms any notion of common-sense regulations, and the minority White ruling class places its right-wing Republican ideology above the safety of its most vulnerable citizens — its impoverished and its children, most of whom are Hispanic.
Second, at news of the shooting, I was struck to hear the words “Robb Elementary” because I knew of its centrality to the struggle in Uvalde over the past half-century to desegregate its schools. Robb sits in the city’s southwest quadrant. So I knew the victims of the shooting would largely be Hispanic. They have been locked into that school for decades.
In Uvalde, simply put, everything north of Highway 90 is primarily White Republican, and everything south is mostly Hispanic Democrat. The city has about 15,000 residents; more than 80 percent identify as Hispanic or Latino.
Most of Uvalde’s political leadership and the heads of the largest employers are White. At the center of town on the courthouse grounds, you’ll find a monument to Jefferson Davis, the Confederate president — installed when the Ku Klux Klan dominated Uvalde politics. (Some of us tried to get the monument removed after the murder of George Floyd, but that’s a story for another day.)
When I heard reports about the shooter, a young Latino, I winced at the reflexive disclaimer that he wasn’t an “illegal immigrant.” It wasn’t surprising to learn that he was bullied for a speech impediment, may have come from a broken family struggling with drug use and had experienced problems in school. Drug use plagues the city, and the courts struggle under the weight of young people’s encounters with the legal system. About 1 in 3 Uvalde children live in poverty.
The killer allegedly bought his guns at the Oasis Outback, a popular lunch spot for wealthier Uvaldeans, known for its large buffet, hunting supplies and gun shop. On most days you’ll also see groups of Border Patrol agents and local law enforcement there. It’s a monthly meeting place for groups such as the Uvalde County Republican Women, whose Facebook page includes posts decrying “the border invasion.”
The Oasis reflects the establishment’s deep cultural reverence for guns, hunting and the Wild West mythology. I wasn’t surprised that an 18-year-old could walk in and easily buy tactical weapons without anyone being concerned.
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"I survived."
"What'd you learn?"
"How to barricade myself in a classroom."
"Anything else?"
"Oh, that every time the door opens, I have a serious panic attack."
"But the teachers didn't talk about CRT or being gay, did they?!"
"Um..."
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And they dismiss conservative politicians and gun industry representatives as largely inconsequential players, saying they will do whatever the NRA proposes. Members of Congress, one participant says, have asked the NRA to "secretly provide them with talking points."”
Good point, Hobbes. I also read an article in either the NY Times or The Guardian that talked about kids having anxiety over global warming. They are bombarded with all these heavy concerns.
I don't have kids in my life anymore, at least none close enough to see them, and I'm not sure what I would say them at this point. It's terribly sad.
will require those who CAN do something about it to agree its a problem in the first place and not isolated incidents. As seems the case now. Even their talking points have a lack of effort behind them because they are unserious. Both in the ideas presented and them just in general.
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