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  • myoung321
    myoung321 Posts: 2,855
    edited May 2023
    gotthebottle said:
    josevolution said:
    It’s unreal bad law’s getting people killed! Texas has non existent gun laws and the most guns in the nation! A combination for easy mass murders! 
    That's why there was no freaking way I was going to those shows 
    Are you sure?,, you’ve only said this like 5 times here..lol
    Post edited by myoung321 on
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  • myoung321
    myoung321 Posts: 2,855
    mfc2006 said:
    Just wanted to chime in as a native Texan (and might be moving back soon) that not everyone in TX is a gun nut. I have never even held a gun. I grew up with friends that would go hunting all the time and I was often invited. I'd go, but would stay back and play guitar while the others went hunting. I know some very responsible gun owners (& collectors) and don't really associate myself with irresponsible gun owners. 

    Regarding the crime rate....I grew up in Houston and have lived there, in Dallas and in Waco. That being said, much like what someone said about Chicago/NYC is true in pretty much every place I've lived. There are places in each city with significantly higher crime rates than others. We now live in Kansas City and the crime here is insane....it was also insane in Portland, OR before we moved to KC.

    Regarding the city of Cut and Shoot, I've never been there. But, I have been to Gun Barrel City (yes, that's the name) in Texas and it is about as small town as they come. I also know that there are many other states with cities names after guns (someone pointed out Rifle, CO for instance). 

    I'm not a fan of guns at all. There needs to be some real change (and soon) regarding gun laws & reform. I just simply wanted to say that if someone lives in Texas, they aren't locked and loaded. Stereotypes can be bad for everyone involved. 
    Well said… saying everyone from Texas is a gun nut is short sighted and ridiculous.. 
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,013
    I’m sick of these mass shootings being called “tragedies.” They are not tragedies. Tragedies are things like earthquakes, tornadoes, hurricanes or other unpreventable disasters that kill people. Let’s call these what they are, freedumb killings. 
    09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;

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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,018
    i saw someone ran over a bunch of people in texas, so prepare for the defense of mass killings using that episode of car violence to excuse the shootings.
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  • dudeman
    dudeman Posts: 3,159
    edited May 2023
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    i saw someone ran over a bunch of people in texas, so prepare for the defense of mass killings using that episode of car violence to excuse the shootings.
    Whether it is cars, guns or anything else, people need to stop wanting to kill each other. 
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  • brianlux
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    I’m sick of these mass shootings being called “tragedies.” They are not tragedies. Tragedies are things like earthquakes, tornadoes, hurricanes or other unpreventable disasters that kill people. Let’s call these what they are, freedumb killings. 

    To me, the tragedy is that I live in a country where mass shootings are rapidly on the increase and a lot of people don't seem to care about doing something about it.
    As for earthquakes, tornadoes, hurricanes, and such, I don't think of those as tragedies at all.  They are naturally occurring incidents that are an integral part of nature.  I've never know anyone who has died in such an incident, but I'm sure that if I did, that loss of life would feel tragic to me, but the incident itself would not.  It's what planet earth has always done and nature is never wrong.

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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,013
    How delusional is this? From WaPo and the congressman representing the district in Tejas where the latest has occurred.

    Self, the congressman, rebuked criticism of officials offering “thoughts and prayers” after shootings while opposing gun control legislation, saying on CNN that “people want to make this political, but prayers are important.”

    “The immediate aftermath is not the time for politics,” he told The Washington Post. “We have long ago traded faith in God, which means civic action based on that faith, for faith in government.”

    09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;

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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    brianlux said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    I’m sick of these mass shootings being called “tragedies.” They are not tragedies. Tragedies are things like earthquakes, tornadoes, hurricanes or other unpreventable disasters that kill people. Let’s call these what they are, freedumb killings. 

    To me, the tragedy is that I live in a country where mass shootings are rapidly on the increase and a lot of people don't seem to care about doing something about it.
    As for earthquakes, tornadoes, hurricanes, and such, I don't think of those as tragedies at all.  They are naturally occurring incidents that are an integral part of nature.  I've never know anyone who has died in such an incident, but I'm sure that if I did, that loss of life would feel tragic to me, but the incident itself would not.  It's what planet earth has always done and nature is never wrong.

    Those natural occurrences don’t happen every day nor are we not warned, except in the case of earthquakes, of which proactive steps are taken and have been taken to lessen the impact of the “tragedy.” Same with the other natural events.

    Nothing can be done. Thoughts and prayers. Tejas authorities can’t even hold a press conference yet. Gotta make sure your comments align with Abbott & Costello’s.

    One wonders if there’s a tipping point and if so, how many deaths or incidents have to occur before there is change? Or is it, nothing can be done?
    09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;

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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,013
    mfc2006 said:
    Just wanted to chime in as a native Texan (and might be moving back soon) that not everyone in TX is a gun nut. I have never even held a gun. I grew up with friends that would go hunting all the time and I was often invited. I'd go, but would stay back and play guitar while the others went hunting. I know some very responsible gun owners (& collectors) and don't really associate myself with irresponsible gun owners. 

    Regarding the crime rate....I grew up in Houston and have lived there, in Dallas and in Waco. That being said, much like what someone said about Chicago/NYC is true in pretty much every place I've lived. There are places in each city with significantly higher crime rates than others. We now live in Kansas City and the crime here is insane....it was also insane in Portland, OR before we moved to KC.

    Regarding the city of Cut and Shoot, I've never been there. But, I have been to Gun Barrel City (yes, that's the name) in Texas and it is about as small town as they come. I also know that there are many other states with cities names after guns (someone pointed out Rifle, CO for instance). 

    I'm not a fan of guns at all. There needs to be some real change (and soon) regarding gun laws & reform. I just simply wanted to say that if someone lives in Texas, they aren't locked and loaded. Stereotypes can be bad for everyone involved. 
    I appreciate and respect your thoughts on this but I’ll respond with my own.

    I’m sure there are good citizens of Tejas and beautiful places there. But I’m sure the same can be said of North Korea, China and Russia. And while I can’t change the government of those countries, nor can I change the government of Tejas as I don’t live there. That said, it seems the majority of the voting citizens of Tejas prefer their authoritarian government and aren’t willing to change it, as is their right.

    I used to have faith that the voting public could and would change things on election day for the better but with the attack on voting rights that single out the “other”, gerrymandering to the extreme and the recent authority of Tejas’ DA to dis-enfranchise the choice of one selected county’s voters, I don’t have that faith and it seems generally accepted.

    All of that said results in my boycotting Tejas as that’s all I can do. I won’t spend my money there and I wish others would do the same, including Pearl Jam and any other entity that has a choice of where to locate their show, convention or business. If my employer relocated to Tejas, I’d resign.

    It seems the majority of Tejanos not only are fine with authoritarianism but also their gun culture, both of which I want no part of. Enjoy the shows if you’re going and stay safe.
    09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;

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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,013
    200 mass shootings in ‘Murica so far this year. 200. 200 over 127 days.

    Nothing can be done. 
    09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;

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  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,396
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    200 mass shootings in ‘Murica so far this year. 200. 200 over 127 days.

    Nothing can be done. 
    More guns 
    Less doors
    More prayers
    Less drag queens
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,658
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    How delusional is this? From WaPo and the congressman representing the district in Tejas where the latest has occurred.

    Self, the congressman, rebuked criticism of officials offering “thoughts and prayers” after shootings while opposing gun control legislation, saying on CNN that “people want to make this political, but prayers are important.”

    “The immediate aftermath is not the time for politics,” he told The Washington Post. “We have long ago traded faith in God, which means civic action based on that faith, for faith in government.”


    How delusional?  Very!
    Thoughts and prayers for Keith Self's issues with delusions. 
    Oh, and Keith, if what you represent as government were ubiquitous, don't worry, I would have no faith in government.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,013
    Too many doors, not enough guns. Nothing can be done. Thoughts and prayers.

    https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/07/us/texas-dart-train-shooting/index.html
    09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;

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  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,148
    Once again....events like the Texas mall shooting will continue to occur and remove the "good guy with a gun" argument from the hardcore 2A playbook.

    The element of surprise will always trump the good guy with a gun. Luckily a good guy (cop) was close and took this fucker out before he killed more people. But he still took out eight people.

    We are moving closer to an assault weapons ban and registration. Give it about 200 more shootings and more people will start to understand.
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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,328
    Gern Blansten said:
    Once again....events like the Texas mall shooting will continue to occur and remove the "good guy with a gun" argument from the hardcore 2A playbook.

    The element of surprise will always trump the good guy with a gun. Luckily a good guy (cop) was close and took this fucker out before he killed more people. But he still took out eight people.

    We are moving closer to an assault weapons ban and registration. Give it about 200 more shootings and more people will start to understand.

    200? by the end of year? boy you're optimistic .
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  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,754
    edited May 2023
    mickeyrat said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    Once again....events like the Texas mall shooting will continue to occur and remove the "good guy with a gun" argument from the hardcore 2A playbook.

    The element of surprise will always trump the good guy with a gun. Luckily a good guy (cop) was close and took this fucker out before he killed more people. But he still took out eight people.

    We are moving closer to an assault weapons ban and registration. Give it about 200 more shootings and more people will start to understand.

    200? by the end of year? boy you're optimistic .
    AT the rate 2023 is going, we'll hit that before Halloween. 
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,148
    The gun nuts forget that the killers will adjust. This guy didn't even wait to enter the mall. He just gets out of his car and starts shooting.

    Have we encountered a recess shooting yet? The idea makes me cringe but they are coming. No need to break down doors to enter a school. Just wait for the targets to congregate outside and open fire.
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    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,815
    So.... this subject gets me riled up.  But I'm going to step back a second.  I honestly do not understand people against most of the things proposed in regards to universal background checks, banning assault weapons and high-capacity magazines.  

    I can understand some of the angst around "safe Storage"....cause I am betting some people want these handy when they have a issue....but I would think it would be fine to require safe storage OR be held accountable if your gun is used inappropriately because you didn't store it properly.

    Now - in regards to gun manufacturer immunity....I have a hard time understanding how gun mfg should be held accountable.  I mean it seems like a cop out or a work around for not being able to pass laws.  Now - perhaps the advertising should have certain standards and if you fail (meaning you target kids, etc) then you should be held accountable.  I know we are all pissed (well most of us) about what is going on ... but why do you feel the gun manufacturers should be held accountable when they are selling a legal product and someone is using it on their own terms?
    hippiemom = goodness
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,328
    cincybearcat said:
    So.... this subject gets me riled up.  But I'm going to step back a second.  I honestly do not understand people against most of the things proposed in regards to universal background checks, banning assault weapons and high-capacity magazines.  

    I can understand some of the angst around "safe Storage"....cause I am betting some people want these handy when they have a issue....but I would think it would be fine to require safe storage OR be held accountable if your gun is used inappropriately because you didn't store it properly.

    Now - in regards to gun manufacturer immunity....I have a hard time understanding how gun mfg should be held accountable.  I mean it seems like a cop out or a work around for not being able to pass laws.  Now - perhaps the advertising should have certain standards and if you fail (meaning you target kids, etc) then you should be held accountable.  I know we are all pissed (well most of us) about what is going on ... but why do you feel the gun manufacturers should be held accountable when they are selling a legal product and someone is using it on their own terms?
    accountability for their weekend rambo marketing is a must.
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,815
    mickeyrat said:
    cincybearcat said:
    So.... this subject gets me riled up.  But I'm going to step back a second.  I honestly do not understand people against most of the things proposed in regards to universal background checks, banning assault weapons and high-capacity magazines.  

    I can understand some of the angst around "safe Storage"....cause I am betting some people want these handy when they have a issue....but I would think it would be fine to require safe storage OR be held accountable if your gun is used inappropriately because you didn't store it properly.

    Now - in regards to gun manufacturer immunity....I have a hard time understanding how gun mfg should be held accountable.  I mean it seems like a cop out or a work around for not being able to pass laws.  Now - perhaps the advertising should have certain standards and if you fail (meaning you target kids, etc) then you should be held accountable.  I know we are all pissed (well most of us) about what is going on ... but why do you feel the gun manufacturers should be held accountable when they are selling a legal product and someone is using it on their own terms?
    accountability for their weekend rambo marketing is a must.
    Yup I would certainly agree with this.
    hippiemom = goodness
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