America's Gun Violence #2

nicknyr15

Halifax2TheMax said:

FiveBelow said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

FiveBelow said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

nicknyr15 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

It’s a media driven agenda.

your country is insane, but like I said, there's no way that this all started up at the same time around the country. 

this may sound alarmist, but I'm actually reconsidering coming there to see PJ in the summer. 

Random acts of violence are still very rare. You can reduce the risk even more by avoiding certain areas at certain times. While nothing is 100%, I certainly don't fear going out on my day to day life. 

Tejas. Avoid Tejas.

But not Chicago? Cmon. Put your political bias to the side for one second man. Those videos from a few weeks ago…. Yea. No thanks. Doesn’t seem very welcoming. 

I’m not sure Illinois is as dangerous as Tejas or that Chicago is as dangerous as any city in Tejas with similar populations on a per 100,000 population basis but I do know that Tejas’ gun laws are way far less restrictive than Illinois’ but for indianer. Further, IMHO opinion, there are certain areas of Chicago you can avoid but in Tejas it’s the whole state you need to avoid.

What videos from a few weeks ago did I miss?

Not sure if the CDC is considered to be credible or not, but here's their latest firearm mortality rate per 100k. There are 26 states with a higher rate than Texas (Illinois just so happens to be next in line). Seems bias may be coming into play a bit here.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/firearm_mortality/firearm.htm

Where would you say your chances of being shot are greater, given that Tejas has a population of approximately 29.3M, while Ilinois has 12.7M and the discrepancy per 100K is a mere .3 (12.4 versus 12.1, Tejas/Illinois)?

Further, while Chicago has a higher rate than Houston, Houston ranks immediately after, and for Tejas cities, Dallas, San Antonio, Fort Worth, Austin and El Paso are listed in the Big Cities Health Coalition as it relates to per 100K firearm deaths. Seems to me, avoid certain areas of Chicago where gun crime is prevalent, you should be okay. Tejas, not so much. Link is data from 2020.

Gun Deaths in Big Cities | Urban Health Collaborative | Drexel University 

To answer your question, the mortality rate seems to indicate the chances are slightly higher in Illinois. If you don’t want to go the age adjusted rate route, let’s do this. Texas had 4613 firearm deaths in 2021 (per the CDC link), while Illinois had 1995 deaths. The 2021 population estimate for Texas was 29,527,941 with Illinois coming in at 12,671,469. 
4613/29,527,941 = .00015622
1995/12,671,469 = .00015744
If you lived in Illinois during 2021 your chances of being one of the firearm victims was .015744%, still slightly higher than the .015622% if you lived in Texas during 2021. If you understand this, there is no need to compare cities within these states. If you’re only interested in comparing cities, that’s a different discussion. I do find it funny (not really) that your link would rank the safest PJ shows this tour as follows:
Austin
MSP
Ft Worth
Chicago
Indy
https://usafacts.org/data/topics/people-society/population-and-demographics/our-changing-population/state/texas/?endDate=2021-01-01&startDate=2010-01-01

You won’t convince me that I’d be safer in Tejas than Illinois or any Tejas city over Chicago. More people + more guns = more people with guns = greater chance of getting shot.

Gun licences issued in Illinois and Tejas and percentage of adults with at least one gun at home.

Licenses in 2021: 144,749

In Illinois, 27.8% of adults say they at least one firearm at home. Roughly 2.5M gun owners.

Licenses in 2021: 1,006,555

In Texas, 45.7% of adults say they live in homes with guns. Roughly 6.8M gun owners.

Since the beginning of 2023, more mass shootings, roughly 2Xs more, occurred in Tejas over Illinois, according to the gun violence archive. Looking at only deaths from firearms is not the sole predicator of risk. I’ll take my chances in Chicago over Tejas. Enjoy the shows in Tejas but don’t play baseball.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/01/us/texas-college-baseball-player-shot-stray-bullet/index.html

Gun licenses? All those guns on the street are licensed? You can’t bring in stats for illegal firearms that everyone seems to have in certain cities, mine included. The only way you’d be convinced is if they swapped political parties. My common sense tells me I definitely would not feel safe in Chicago. There has to be some opinions you have that aren’t 100% based on politics..right? Probably not. 

nicknyr15

Halifax2TheMax said:

nicknyr15 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

nicknyr15 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

It’s a media driven agenda.

your country is insane, but like I said, there's no way that this all started up at the same time around the country. 

this may sound alarmist, but I'm actually reconsidering coming there to see PJ in the summer. 

Random acts of violence are still very rare. You can reduce the risk even more by avoiding certain areas at certain times. While nothing is 100%, I certainly don't fear going out on my day to day life. 

Tejas. Avoid Tejas.

But not Chicago? Cmon. Put your political bias to the side for one second man. Those videos from a few weeks ago…. Yea. No thanks. Doesn’t seem very welcoming. 

I’m not sure Illinois is as dangerous as Tejas or that Chicago is as dangerous as any city in Tejas with similar populations on a per 100,000 population basis but I do know that Tejas’ gun laws are way far less restrictive than Illinois’ but for indianer. Further, IMHO opinion, there are certain areas of Chicago you can avoid but in Tejas it’s the whole state you need to avoid.

What videos from a few weeks ago did I miss?

I hear you but I still think your opinion is a politically biased one. Just google Chicago chaos. I think it was about 2-3  weeks ago. And restrictive gun laws are doing absolutely nothing when it comes to
gun violence in these cities. 

Can I google Tejas chaos too?

Yea but you won’t find what you were looking for when you asked about what I was referring to. 

gimmesometruth27

nicknyr15 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

nicknyr15 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

nicknyr15 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

It’s a media driven agenda.

your country is insane, but like I said, there's no way that this all started up at the same time around the country. 

this may sound alarmist, but I'm actually reconsidering coming there to see PJ in the summer. 

Random acts of violence are still very rare. You can reduce the risk even more by avoiding certain areas at certain times. While nothing is 100%, I certainly don't fear going out on my day to day life. 

Tejas. Avoid Tejas.

But not Chicago? Cmon. Put your political bias to the side for one second man. Those videos from a few weeks ago…. Yea. No thanks. Doesn’t seem very welcoming. 

I’m not sure Illinois is as dangerous as Tejas or that Chicago is as dangerous as any city in Tejas with similar populations on a per 100,000 population basis but I do know that Tejas’ gun laws are way far less restrictive than Illinois’ but for indianer. Further, IMHO opinion, there are certain areas of Chicago you can avoid but in Tejas it’s the whole state you need to avoid.

What videos from a few weeks ago did I miss?

I hear you but I still think your opinion is a politically biased one. Just google Chicago chaos. I think it was about 2-3  weeks ago. And restrictive gun laws are doing absolutely nothing when it comes to
gun violence in these cities. 

Can I google Tejas chaos too?

Yea but you won’t find what you were looking for when you asked about what I was referring to. 

yeah it is probably a website for a teenage softball team or something.

Gern Blansten

I feel safe in Chicago. It's a gigantic city...just have to avoid the shitty parts.

josevolution

Gern Blansten said:

I feel safe in Chicago. It's a gigantic city...just have to avoid the shitty parts.

Just like NY, but at least here not everyone is holstered down with a 38 like in a state like Texas!

FiveBelow

Halifax2TheMax said:

FiveBelow said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

FiveBelow said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

nicknyr15 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

It’s a media driven agenda.

your country is insane, but like I said, there's no way that this all started up at the same time around the country. 

this may sound alarmist, but I'm actually reconsidering coming there to see PJ in the summer. 

Random acts of violence are still very rare. You can reduce the risk even more by avoiding certain areas at certain times. While nothing is 100%, I certainly don't fear going out on my day to day life. 

Tejas. Avoid Tejas.

But not Chicago? Cmon. Put your political bias to the side for one second man. Those videos from a few weeks ago…. Yea. No thanks. Doesn’t seem very welcoming. 

I’m not sure Illinois is as dangerous as Tejas or that Chicago is as dangerous as any city in Tejas with similar populations on a per 100,000 population basis but I do know that Tejas’ gun laws are way far less restrictive than Illinois’ but for indianer. Further, IMHO opinion, there are certain areas of Chicago you can avoid but in Tejas it’s the whole state you need to avoid.

What videos from a few weeks ago did I miss?

Not sure if the CDC is considered to be credible or not, but here's their latest firearm mortality rate per 100k. There are 26 states with a higher rate than Texas (Illinois just so happens to be next in line). Seems bias may be coming into play a bit here.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/firearm_mortality/firearm.htm

Where would you say your chances of being shot are greater, given that Tejas has a population of approximately 29.3M, while Ilinois has 12.7M and the discrepancy per 100K is a mere .3 (12.4 versus 12.1, Tejas/Illinois)?

Further, while Chicago has a higher rate than Houston, Houston ranks immediately after, and for Tejas cities, Dallas, San Antonio, Fort Worth, Austin and El Paso are listed in the Big Cities Health Coalition as it relates to per 100K firearm deaths. Seems to me, avoid certain areas of Chicago where gun crime is prevalent, you should be okay. Tejas, not so much. Link is data from 2020.

Gun Deaths in Big Cities | Urban Health Collaborative | Drexel University 

To answer your question, the mortality rate seems to indicate the chances are slightly higher in Illinois. If you don’t want to go the age adjusted rate route, let’s do this. Texas had 4613 firearm deaths in 2021 (per the CDC link), while Illinois had 1995 deaths. The 2021 population estimate for Texas was 29,527,941 with Illinois coming in at 12,671,469. 
4613/29,527,941 = .00015622
1995/12,671,469 = .00015744
If you lived in Illinois during 2021 your chances of being one of the firearm victims was .015744%, still slightly higher than the .015622% if you lived in Texas during 2021. If you understand this, there is no need to compare cities within these states. If you’re only interested in comparing cities, that’s a different discussion. I do find it funny (not really) that your link would rank the safest PJ shows this tour as follows:
Austin
MSP
Ft Worth
Chicago
Indy
https://usafacts.org/data/topics/people-society/population-and-demographics/our-changing-population/state/texas/?endDate=2021-01-01&startDate=2010-01-01

You won’t convince me that I’d be safer in Tejas than Illinois or any Tejas city over Chicago. More people + more guns = more people with guns = greater chance of getting shot.

Gun licences issued in Illinois and Tejas and percentage of adults with at least one gun at home.

Licenses in 2021: 144,749

In Illinois, 27.8% of adults say they at least one firearm at home. Roughly 2.5M gun owners.

Licenses in 2021: 1,006,555

In Texas, 45.7% of adults say they live in homes with guns. Roughly 6.8M gun owners.

Since the beginning of 2023, more mass shootings, roughly 2Xs more, occurred in Tejas over Illinois, according to the gun violence archive. Looking at only deaths from firearms is not the sole predicator of risk. I’ll take my chances in Chicago over Tejas. Enjoy the shows in Tejas but don’t play baseball.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/01/us/texas-college-baseball-player-shot-stray-bullet/index.html

Trust me, I already know. Not surprising when you continue to ignore the evidence. When the dust settles on 2023 and the gun violence information is compiled, I’ll base my assessments accordingly. In the meantime you can continue to base yours from the image below.

nicknyr15

josevolution said:

Gern Blansten said:

I feel safe in Chicago. It's a gigantic city...just have to avoid the shitty parts.

Just like NY, but at least here not everyone is holstered down with a 38 like in a state like Texas!

Really? I feel like everyone that shouldn’t have a gun , has a gun in NYC. 

josevolution

nicknyr15 said:

Lo josevolution said:

Gern Blansten said:

I feel safe in Chicago. It's a gigantic city...just have to avoid the shitty parts.

Just like NY, but at least here not everyone is holstered down with a 38 like in a state like Texas!

Really? I feel like everyone that shouldn’t have a gun , has a gun in NYC. 

Really if you go to a state that is legal to open carry it looks like Gunsmoke! Im sorry but when I go to a dinner for breakfast I don’t see folks sitting next to me with a holster with a gun strapped to their waist. 

FiveBelow

brianlux said:

Bang bang, shoot shoot.  Who needs a warn gun when you can have a chilly willie?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/may/01/canada-phallic-iceberg-photo-newfoundland-dildo

Chilly willy: photo of phallic iceberg off Canadian coast prompts merriment

Photographer Ken Pretty from the town of Dildo spotted an unusual ice formation at sea – an avalanche of risque puns ensued

I’d like to know the odds of it being spotted from the town of Dildo. Thanks for the laugh, Brian.

nicknyr15

josevolution said:

nicknyr15 said:

Lo josevolution said:

Gern Blansten said:

I feel safe in Chicago. It's a gigantic city...just have to avoid the shitty parts.

Just like NY, but at least here not everyone is holstered down with a 38 like in a state like Texas!

Really? I feel like everyone that shouldn’t have a gun , has a gun in NYC. 

Really if you go to a state that is legal to open carry it looks like Gunsmoke! Im sorry but when I go to a dinner for breakfast I don’t see folks sitting next to me with a holster with a gun strapped to their waist. 

I’m with you on that. I’m not for open carry at all. But like I said, everyone who SHOULDNT Have a gun, seems to have one. It’s just as easy to illegally buy a firearm in NYC as it is to legally buy one in other states. 

josevolution

nicknyr15 said:

josevolution said:

nicknyr15 said:

Lo josevolution said:

Gern Blansten said:

I feel safe in Chicago. It's a gigantic city...just have to avoid the shitty parts.

Just like NY, but at least here not everyone is holstered down with a 38 like in a state like Texas!

Really? I feel like everyone that shouldn’t have a gun , has a gun in NYC. 

Really if you go to a state that is legal to open carry it looks like Gunsmoke! Im sorry but when I go to a dinner for breakfast I don’t see folks sitting next to me with a holster with a gun strapped to their waist. 

I’m with you on that. I’m not for open carry at all. But like I said, everyone who SHOULDNT Have a gun, seems to have one. It’s just as easy to illegally buy a firearm in NYC as it is to legally buy one in other states. 

I won’t dispute that! We all know when a criminal wants to get a gun or any weapon they can easily get one! 

OnWis97

josevolution said:

Gern Blansten said:

I feel safe in Chicago. It's a gigantic city...just have to avoid the shitty parts.

Just like NY, but at least here not everyone is holstered down with a 38 like in a state like Texas!

This is how I feel. I don't know whether statistics back me up but I've been to Chicago a lot and have never felt in any danger. I've been to Texas a few time and the only danger I've felt is because I am pretty sure that's the fastest driving I've ever been around (and driving is the most dangerous thing we do in a given day).

But given my behaviors in all of the places we talk about (touristy things and big events with occasional transit/walking off the beaten tourist path), I feel like if I'm going to take a bullet, it's more likely to be in a place like Texas because I get too close to someone's car or wander across a property line while looking at my map app. Am I thinking rationally? I don't know. But culturally, I have a much better understanding of what I'm getting into in Chicago or NYC than in Texas.

All that said, I'm going to Austin for the shows. Staying downtown (though I do have a friend that lives there and may venture around to wear the real Texans live). I'm not worried to the extent that I considered not going but I am a bit uncomfortable with where the culture there is at vs. when I was last there (2019, I think).

tempo_n_groove

I've lived in AZ and TX which are both open carry states.  Lived in FL where you were allowed to carry a gun in your glove box. 

Never saw or been in or around a shootout.

Lived in Cali where gun laws are stricter and got shot at...

Go figure.

Halifax2TheMax

How’s that for irony? Tejas loving their guns so much, they be naming towns after ‘em. Yee haw!

A man accused of killing five neighbors after they asked him to stop shooting an AR-15-style weapon near their Texas yard was arrested Tuesday evening after a four-day-long manhunt that at one point involved more than 250 law enforcement officers.

The suspect, identified as Francisco Oropesa, 38, was found at a home in Cut and Shoot, Tex., according to the San Jacinto County Sheriff’s Office. Oropesa faces five counts of murder in the killings of four adults and a 9-year-old child.

brianlux

mickeyrat said:

brianlux said:

Bang bang, shoot shoot.  Who needs a warn gun when you can have a chilly willie?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/may/01/canada-phallic-iceberg-photo-newfoundland-dildo

Chilly willy: photo of phallic iceberg off Canadian coast prompts merriment

Photographer Ken Pretty from the town of Dildo spotted an unusual ice formation at sea – an avalanche of risque puns ensued

gives new meaning to the term blue balls

Yep, Mother Nature has a strange sense of humor sometimes!

FiveBelow said:

brianlux said:

Bang bang, shoot shoot.  Who needs a warn gun when you can have a chilly willie?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/may/01/canada-phallic-iceberg-photo-newfoundland-dildo

Chilly willy: photo of phallic iceberg off Canadian coast prompts merriment

Photographer Ken Pretty from the town of Dildo spotted an unusual ice formation at sea – an avalanche of risque puns ensued

I’d like to know the odds of it being spotted from the town of Dildo. Thanks for the laugh, Brian.

For sure!

Yeah, we should take a once-a-week break or something from some of the more serious stuff here and have a good laugh!

tempo_n_groove

Halifax2TheMax said:

How’s that for irony? Tejas loving their guns so much, they be naming towns after ‘em. Yee haw!

A man accused of killing five neighbors after they asked him to stop shooting an AR-15-style weapon near their Texas yard was arrested Tuesday evening after a four-day-long manhunt that at one point involved more than 250 law enforcement officers.

The suspect, identified as Francisco Oropesa, 38, was found at a home in Cut and Shoot, Tex., according to the San Jacinto County Sheriff’s Office. Oropesa faces five counts of murder in the killings of four adults and a 9-year-old child.

Colorado has a town called "rifle" which is near columbine.

Bentleyspop

tempo_n_groove said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

How’s that for irony? Tejas loving their guns so much, they be naming towns after ‘em. Yee haw!

A man accused of killing five neighbors after they asked him to stop shooting an AR-15-style weapon near their Texas yard was arrested Tuesday evening after a four-day-long manhunt that at one point involved more than 250 law enforcement officers.

The suspect, identified as Francisco Oropesa, 38, was found at a home in Cut and Shoot, Tex., according to the San Jacinto County Sheriff’s Office. Oropesa faces five counts of murder in the killings of four adults and a 9-year-old child.

Colorado has a town called "rifle" which is near columbine.

To be clear Rifle is on the other side of the Rockys on the western slope west of Vail. Maybe 3 hours from Columbine. A very different part of the state. It's bobert territory I believe.

mace1229

Was about to say the same thing. My guess was closer to about 4 or 5 hours away. Not close at all to Columbine. 

Gern Blansten

https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1653819637723721729

First today so far

Halifax2TheMax

Gern Blansten said:

https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1653819637723721729

First today so far

Too many doors, not enough guns. Does GA have open carry?