America's Gun Violence #2

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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin LouisPosts: 19,856
    mace1229 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    she should be charged with child endangerment, having her young kids pose with fucking war machines like that. 
    That pic I think it's a wee bit much too but I was 9 when I fired my first AR-15.  It wasn't until years later when I met anti-gun people that it wasn't something that everyone did...
    that's pure insanity. 

    pure insanity is taking your similar age daughter to a range to live fire an uzi.....
    who did that?
    Not sure if this was what he was referring to or not, but several years ago a family took their 9 or 10 year old daughter to a range and had a professional teach her how to use a fully auto gun (could have been an uzi, I don’t remember.) she lost control when it was in full auto and killed the instructor. Made national news for a while.
    i remember being relentless on those parents in a thread back at that time.
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  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, ColoradoPosts: 9,648
    Is this common among "responsible" gun owners?

    Colorado GOP Rep. Lauren Boebert posted a Christmas photo of her family wielding rifles, joining a fellow Republican who was criticized for posting a similar photo after a high-school shooting.

    Boebert posted the photo Tuesday. It shows her in front of a Christmas tree with her four sons, each of whom has a gun. She isn't armed in the photo, and it doesn't feature her husband.

    Boebert is a vocal gun-rights activist who gained prominence last year after pledging to carry a gun around Congress when she was elected.

    "The Boeberts have your six, @RepThomasMassie!" she wrote alongside the photo. 

    Lauren Boebert posted her own Christmas photo brandishing assault rifles with her kids after a GOP rep was criticized for his (msn.com)


  • Is this common among "responsible" gun owners?

    Colorado GOP Rep. Lauren Boebert posted a Christmas photo of her family wielding rifles, joining a fellow Republican who was criticized for posting a similar photo after a high-school shooting.

    Boebert posted the photo Tuesday. It shows her in front of a Christmas tree with her four sons, each of whom has a gun. She isn't armed in the photo, and it doesn't feature her husband.

    Boebert is a vocal gun-rights activist who gained prominence last year after pledging to carry a gun around Congress when she was elected.

    "The Boeberts have your six, @RepThomasMassie!" she wrote alongside the photo. 

    Lauren Boebert posted her own Christmas photo brandishing assault rifles with her kids after a GOP rep was criticized for his (msn.com)


    The kid in the Packers hoody looks like he’s ready to shoot someone and the kid in the Raiders sweatshirt looks like he’s about to cry. The kid to the far right appears to be thinking, “Ha, Ha, mom’s drinking again,” and the little one appears bored and looks like he just wants to go back to playing LEGO.
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  • nicknyr15nicknyr15 Posts: 5,741
    Is this common among "responsible" gun owners?

    Colorado GOP Rep. Lauren Boebert posted a Christmas photo of her family wielding rifles, joining a fellow Republican who was criticized for posting a similar photo after a high-school shooting.

    Boebert posted the photo Tuesday. It shows her in front of a Christmas tree with her four sons, each of whom has a gun. She isn't armed in the photo, and it doesn't feature her husband.

    Boebert is a vocal gun-rights activist who gained prominence last year after pledging to carry a gun around Congress when she was elected.

    "The Boeberts have your six, @RepThomasMassie!" she wrote alongside the photo. 

    Lauren Boebert posted her own Christmas photo brandishing assault rifles with her kids after a GOP rep was criticized for his (msn.com)


    The kid in the Packers hoody looks like he’s ready to shoot someone and the kid in the Raiders sweatshirt looks like he’s about to cry. The kid to the far right appears to be thinking, “Ha, Ha, mom’s drinking again,” and the little one appears bored and looks like he just wants to go back to playing LEGO.
    I’d be embarrassed to post anything remotely resembling this pic. I don’t know the point they’re trying to make. 
  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MNPosts: 4,164
    Good for Boebert having four kids. That way when one's dead and the other's in juvie, at least she's got two more.
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  • stuckinlinestuckinline Posts: 3,248
    Is this common among "responsible" gun owners?

    Colorado GOP Rep. Lauren Boebert posted a Christmas photo of her family wielding rifles, joining a fellow Republican who was criticized for posting a similar photo after a high-school shooting.

    Boebert posted the photo Tuesday. It shows her in front of a Christmas tree with her four sons, each of whom has a gun. She isn't armed in the photo, and it doesn't feature her husband.

    Boebert is a vocal gun-rights activist who gained prominence last year after pledging to carry a gun around Congress when she was elected.

    "The Boeberts have your six, @RepThomasMassie!" she wrote alongside the photo. 

    Lauren Boebert posted her own Christmas photo brandishing assault rifles with her kids after a GOP rep was criticized for his (msn.com)



    Tell me again where Christ said “use the commemoration of my birth to flex violent weapons for personal political gain”? lol @ all the years Republicans spent on cultural hysteria of society “erasing Christmas and it’s meaning” when they’re doing that fine all on their own
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 31,396
    edited December 2021
    couldn't post the pic because the file format is not allowed, but it's funny. 

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FGDZCfrUYAAcRKQ?format=jpg&name=360x360
    I think I'll move to Australia


  • ParksyParksy Posts: 1,429
    Is this common among "responsible" gun owners?

    Colorado GOP Rep. Lauren Boebert posted a Christmas photo of her family wielding rifles, joining a fellow Republican who was criticized for posting a similar photo after a high-school shooting.

    Boebert posted the photo Tuesday. It shows her in front of a Christmas tree with her four sons, each of whom has a gun. She isn't armed in the photo, and it doesn't feature her husband.

    Boebert is a vocal gun-rights activist who gained prominence last year after pledging to carry a gun around Congress when she was elected.

    "The Boeberts have your six, @RepThomasMassie!" she wrote alongside the photo. 

    Lauren Boebert posted her own Christmas photo brandishing assault rifles with her kids after a GOP rep was criticized for his (msn.com)



    Tell me again where Christ said “use the commemoration of my birth to flex violent weapons for personal political gain”? lol @ all the years Republicans spent on cultural hysteria of society “erasing Christmas and it’s meaning” when they’re doing that fine all on their own
    I read that Boebert clapped back at AOCs tweet by saying that AOC was 'attacking' her children and their christmas presents.   I'm like... ok hold on.. so, not only are you comfortable with posting this photo, but you're also ok admitting that those semi automatic guns are christmas presents for your pre-teens?  JFC. 
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  • Parksy said:
    Is this common among "responsible" gun owners?

    Colorado GOP Rep. Lauren Boebert posted a Christmas photo of her family wielding rifles, joining a fellow Republican who was criticized for posting a similar photo after a high-school shooting.

    Boebert posted the photo Tuesday. It shows her in front of a Christmas tree with her four sons, each of whom has a gun. She isn't armed in the photo, and it doesn't feature her husband.

    Boebert is a vocal gun-rights activist who gained prominence last year after pledging to carry a gun around Congress when she was elected.

    "The Boeberts have your six, @RepThomasMassie!" she wrote alongside the photo. 

    Lauren Boebert posted her own Christmas photo brandishing assault rifles with her kids after a GOP rep was criticized for his (msn.com)



    Tell me again where Christ said “use the commemoration of my birth to flex violent weapons for personal political gain”? lol @ all the years Republicans spent on cultural hysteria of society “erasing Christmas and it’s meaning” when they’re doing that fine all on their own
    I read that Boebert clapped back at AOCs tweet by saying that AOC was 'attacking' her children and their christmas presents.   I'm like... ok hold on.. so, not only are you comfortable with posting this photo, but you're also ok admitting that those semi automatic guns are christmas presents for your pre-teens?  JFC. 
    Even If they were airsoft rifles I wouldn't have my kids pose for them on a christmas card.
  • Another “responsible” gun owner just bringing their gun to work on a day the POTUS happens to be stopping by.

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/09/politics/capitol-hill-gun-arrest/index.html
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin LouisPosts: 19,856
    in other news kent state gun girl is prego.
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  • in other news kent state gun girl is prego.
    Guns and ammo for the baby shower? Shoot the rising balloon for the gender reveal?
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 31,396
    in other news kent state gun girl is prego.
    GROSS
    I think I'll move to Australia


  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin LouisPosts: 19,856
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 30,586
    edited December 2021
    Is this what it means to be “responsible?”

    Since 1999, children have committed at least 175 school shootings, according to a new Washington Post analysis. Among the 114 cases in which the weapon’s source was identified by police, 77 percent were taken from the child’s home or those of relatives or friends. And yet, The Post discovered just five instances when the adult owners of the weapons were criminally punished because they failed to lock them up. Another three cases in which adults were charged, including the one against the Crumbleys, are pending.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2021/12/09/parents-school-shooters-charges-crumbleys/
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 30,586
    edited December 2021
    “Responsibility,” eh? Fucking madness. Merry Christmas. From the article above.

    Twenty-one years ago, in a town just 40 miles from Oxford, Mich., a first-grader found a handgun in a shoe box, took it to school and used it to kill a 6-year-old classmate. The 19-year-old man who owned the weapon later pleaded no contest to involuntary manslaughter and served 29 months behind bars.

    No gun owners since have faced a harsher penalty for allowing their firearms to fall into the hands of a child school shooter.

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    https://www.wftv.com/news/local/local-university-student-accused-planning-mass-shooting-appear-before-judge-this-afternoon/FFSAWWE755FTRNU4Q675C3WL5M/

    Daytona Beach Police Chief Jakari Young said two students are credited with alerting campus security after they saw threatening messages Hagins made on Snapchat around 4:10 a.m. Thursday.
  • cutz said:

    https://www.wftv.com/news/local/local-university-student-accused-planning-mass-shooting-appear-before-judge-this-afternoon/FFSAWWE755FTRNU4Q675C3WL5M/

    Daytona Beach Police Chief Jakari Young said two students are credited with alerting campus security after they saw threatening messages Hagins made on Snapchat around 4:10 a.m. Thursday.
    Does he get his firearm returned?
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 24,999
    open a certain door trying to be cute, you never know who else may come behind you.....


     

    California governor wants Texas-like law to ban assault guns
    By ADAM BEAM
    Today

    SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) — California Gov. Gavin Newsom on Saturday pledged to empower private citizens to enforce a ban on the manufacture and sale of assault weapons in the state, citing the same authority claimed by conservative lawmakers in Texas to outlaw most abortions once a heartbeat is detected.

    California has banned the manufacture and sale of many assault-style weapons for decades. A federal judge overturned that ban in June, ruling it was unconstitutional and drawing the ire of the state's Democratic leaders by comparing the popular AR-15 rifle to a Swiss Army knife as “good for both home and battle.” California's ban remained in place while the state appealed.

    Meanwhile, Republican lawmakers in Texas this year passed a law banning abortions after a fetal heartbeat is detected, which normally occurs at about six weeks into pregnancy. The Texas law allows private citizens to enforce the ban, empowering them to sue abortion clinics and anyone else who “aids and abets” with the procedure.

    Friday, the U.S. Supreme Court allowed the Texas law to remain in effect while abortion clinics sue to block it. That decision incensed Newsom, a Democrat who supports abortion rights.

    “If states can now shield their laws from review by the federal courts that compare assault weapons to Swiss Army knives, then California will use that authority to protect people's lives, where Texas used it to put women in harm's way,” Newsom said in a statement released by his office at 7 p.m. on Saturday.

    Newsom said he has directed his staff to work with the state's Legislature and its Democratic attorney general to pass a law that would let private citizens sue to enforce California's ban on assault weapons. Newsom said people who sue could win up to $10,000 per violation plus other costs and attorneys fees against “anyone who manufactures, distributes, or sells an assault weapon” in California.

    “If the most efficient way to keep these devastating weapons off our streets is to add the threat of private lawsuits, we should do just that,” Newsom said.

    The legal fight over the Texas abortion law has focused on its unusual structure and whether it improperly limits how the law can be challenged in court. Texas lawmakers handed responsibility for enforcing the law to private citizens, rather than state officials.

    The case raised a complex set of issues about who, if anyone, can sue over the law in federal court, the typical route for challenges to abortion restrictions.

    Newsom's gun proposal would first have to pass California’s state Legislature before it could become law. The Legislature is not in session now and is scheduled to reconvene in January. It usually takes about eight months for new bills to pass the Legislature, barring special circumstances.

    State Sen. Brian Dahle, a Republican from Bieber, would oppose the plan but predicted it could probably pass California's Democratic-dominated state Legislature. He said the proposal was most likely a stunt for Newsom to win favor with his progressive base of voters ahead of a possible run for president in the future.

    “The right to bear arms is different than the right to have an abortion. The right to have an abortion is not a constitutional amendment. So I think he’s way off base,” Dahle said. “I think he's just using it as an opportunity to grandstand.”

    But Newsom's Saturday night declaration is a fulfilled prophecy for some gun rights groups who had predicted progressive states would attempt to use Texas' abortion law to restrict access to guns. That's why the Firearms Policy Coalition, a nonprofit group that advocates for gun rights, filed a brief with the U.S. Supreme Court opposing the Texas law.

    "If Texas succeeds in its gambit here, New York, California, New Jersey, and others will not be far behind in adopting equally aggressive gambits to not merely chill but to freeze the right to keep and bear arms," attorney Erik Jaffe wrote on behalf of the Firearms Policy Coalition.


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    mickeyrat said:

    State Sen. Brian Dahle, a Republican from Bieber, would oppose the plan but predicted it could probably pass California's Democratic-dominated state Legislature. He said the proposal was most likely a stunt for Newsom to win favor with his progressive base of voters ahead of a possible run for president in the future.

    “The right to bear arms is different than the right to have an abortion. The right to have an abortion is not a constitutional amendment. So I think he’s way off base,” Dahle said. “I think he's just using it as an opportunity to grandstand.”


    That’s where he is wrong. The entire purpose of the law is to bypass a court. 

    It’s kind of irrelevant if one is in the bill of rights and the other isn’t.  Roe v wade was decided based on the 14th amendment and  guns is the second amendment.  Both rights are derived from the same document thus both are protected for the time being.

    If a law bypasses judicial oversight by allowing state to indirectly ban something, the  constitutional argument is absurd. It’s the same process used in both.  

    How can one argue a state violated a constitutional right if the state didn’t actually ban something. The constitution protects individuals from the government not from each other. The state would be in the clear. I agree it’s a stunt, but it’s a stunt to wake up republicans to see how it can be used against them. 

    The Texas case isn’t being decided on the merits of abortion it’s being decided on if a state can go around a court to ban something a court has already decided on without bringing the actual issue in front of the court again.
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      U.S. Supreme Court California Army Texas Gun politics Gavin Newsom California governor wants Texas-like law to ban assault guns By ADAM BEAM Today SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) — California Gov. Gavin Newsom on Saturday pledged to empower private citizens to enforce a ban on the manufacture and sale of assault weapons in the state, citing the same authority claimed by conservative lawmakers in Texas to outlaw most abortions once a heartbeat is detected.  California has banned the manufacture and sale of many assault-style weapons for decades. A federal judge overturned that ban in June, ruling it was unconstitutional and drawing the ire of the state's Democratic leaders by comparing the popular AR-15 rifle to a Swiss Army knife as “good for both home and battle.” California's ban remained in place while the state appealed.  Meanwhile, Republican lawmakers in Texas this year passed a law banning abortions after a fetal heartbeat is detected, which normally occurs at about six weeks into pregnancy. The Texas law allows private citizens to enforce the ban, empowering them to sue abortion clinics and anyone else who “aids and abets” with the procedure.  U.S. SUPREME COURT  California governor wants Texas-like law to ban assault guns  Court won't stop Texas abortion ban, but lets clinics sue  Timeline of events surrounding Texas' ban on most abortions  Court rejects Trump's efforts to keep records from 1/6 panel  Friday, the U.S. Supreme Court allowed the Texas law to remain in effect while abortion clinics sue to block it. That decision incensed Newsom, a Democrat who supports abortion rights.  “If states can now shield their laws from review by the federal courts that compare assault weapons to Swiss Army knives, then California will use that authority to protect people's lives, where Texas used it to put women in harm's way,” Newsom said in a statement released by his office at 7 p.m. on Saturday.  Newsom said he has directed his staff to work with the state's Legislature and its Democratic attorney general to pass a law that would let private citizens sue to enforce California's ban on assault weapons. Newsom said people who sue could win up to $10,000 per violation plus other costs and attorneys fees against “anyone who manufactures, distributes, or sells an assault weapon” in California.  “If the most efficient way to keep these devastating weapons off our streets is to add the threat of private lawsuits, we should do just that,” Newsom said.  The legal fight over the Texas abortion law has focused on its unusual structure and whether it improperly limits how the law can be challenged in court. Texas lawmakers handed responsibility for enforcing the law to private citizens, rather than state officials.  The case raised a complex set of issues about who, if anyone, can sue over the law in federal court, the typical route for challenges to abortion restrictions.  Newsom's gun proposal would first have to pass California’s state Legislature before it could become law. The Legislature is not in session now and is scheduled to reconvene in January. It usually takes about eight months for new bills to pass the Legislature, barring special circumstances.  State Sen. Brian Dahle, a Republican from Bieber, would oppose the plan but predicted it could probably pass California's Democratic-dominated state Legislature. He said the proposal was most likely a stunt for Newsom to win favor with his progressive base of voters ahead of a possible run for president in the future.  “The right to bear arms is different than the right to have an abortion. The right to have an abortion is not a constitutional amendment. So I think he’s way off base,” Dahle said. “I think he's just using it as an opportunity to grandstand.”  But Newsom's Saturday night declaration is a fulfilled prophecy for some gun rights groups who had predicted progressive states would attempt to use Texas' abortion law to restrict access to guns. That's why the Firearms Policy Coalition, a nonprofit group that advocates for gun rights, filed a brief with the U.S. Supreme Court opposing the Texas law.  "If Texas succeeds in its gambit here, New York, California, New Jersey, and others will not be far behind in adopting equally aggressive gambits to not merely chill but to freeze the right to keep and bear arms," attorney Erik Jaffe wrote on behalf of the Firearms Policy Coalition.
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    By JAMES LAPORTA and JASON DEAREN
    Today

    Packed with rifles and explosives, the SUV hurtled down a Florida interstate beneath bright blue autumn skies, passing other motorists with little notice.

    It was November 2018, and the driver, Tyler Sumlin, was uncomfortable. Clammy. The husky, bearded former U.S. Army soldier was getting a cold, and understandably tense: He was transporting a platoon’s worth of stolen rifles, enough C4 to blow up his car and those around him, a live hand grenade.

    He would recall thinking, “Is it too late to turn around?”

    Riding shotgun was Sumlin’s military blood brother, Sgt. 1st Class Jason Jarvis, a soldier on active-duty from Fort Bragg’s 18th Ordnance Company in North Carolina — Sumlin’s old unit.

    The two men, who’d been close since they served in Afghanistan, tried to distract themselves with idle road-trip chatter. Their wives, war stories, favorite movies.

    A few months earlier, Jarvis had reached out to ask if Sumlin had interest in making some money. Jarvis was looking to sell stolen military equipment from an armory at Bragg.

    Sumlin said he might be able to find a buyer.

    Now they were headed to El Paso, Texas, to sell the stolen weapons. The two men had heard from contacts that the customers were taking the haul into Mexico.

    In a series of stories, The Associated Press has detailed how the U.S. military has a problem with missing and stolen guns and explosives, and how some weapons have been used in domestic crime.

    But the inside story of how two men who’d forged a deep bond amid the violence of the battlefield attempted to sell stolen Army weapons reveals another kind of threat: an organized group of soldiers and veterans taking advantage of flaws in the military’s system to make fast money.

    This story is based on extensive interviews, text messages associated with a federal criminal case, private Facebook group messages, court records and documents from military investigative proceedings.

    While information about Sumlin and Jarvis has come to light before, this account offers new details about a case that left other soldiers appalled and enraged — betrayed, they believed, by two of their own.

    ___

    A photograph captures a day in 2009 as Sumlin and Jarvis sat together on a rock in Kunar Province, Afghanistan. A rifle rests on Sumlin’s lap, and he wears a tactical vest, his T-shirt sleeves cut off to expose a farmer’s tan and tattoo on his left shoulder. Jarvis is off to his side, his rifle in hand.

    The two young men had become brothers amid the breakneck tempo of wartime Afghanistan. Sumlin and Jarvis specialized in explosive ordnance disposal, or EOD, the kind of work — with its stifling, hulking bomb suits — given the Hollywood treatment in “The Hurt Locker.”

    (AP Illustration/Peter Hamlin)

    Their work eliminating improvised explosive devices set by the Taliban was nonstop, and gave them little time to process what they saw, heard and smelled. It was a pressure cooker of a job inside a pressure cooker, intense even in the high stakes world of the battlefield. They stashed traumatic experiences and images deep inside themselves, and their comradery helped blunt the stress.

    When they returned stateside both struggled with adjusting to the slower pace of life. Like many soldiers, they found some balm in the friendship of others who’d seen what they’d seen.

    Like many military subcultures, the tight-knit EOD community has its own code of conduct, ethics and language. Sumlin joined a private Facebook group where the EOD community commiserated, argued and pranked one another. They also held each other to account, debating whether a member’s conduct violated the brotherhood’s code.

    (AP Illustration/Peter Hamlin)

    Sumlin left the Army in December 2017, but deployed again to do bomb disposal with a private defense contracting company.

    Meanwhile, Jarvis remained in the Army. At Fort Bragg, home to some of the Army’s most elite units, Jarvis worked in an armory. And that gave him access to a wealth of military firearms, parts and other equipment such as night vision goggles and explosives.

    ___

    Inside the Fort Bragg armory, Jarvis took photographs of weaponry — and then he stole it, and set out to sell it.

    His buddy, Sumlin, sent the photos and an inventory list of the pilfered weapons and explosives to an accomplice who called himself “Mr. Anderson.” Anderson, a former Army combat engineer who had served in both Iraq and Afghanistan, was one of several other soldiers or veterans connected to the scheme.

    In May 2018, Sumlin and Jarvis began mining their contacts to offload the haul. They would find a promising lead with the help of a man identified as “Evan,” who they hadn’t met but who said he had connections with a willing buyer.

    “Inventory: NVG-13, Aimpoint-8, ACOG-18, PEQ2A-10, DD Rail-24, DD-Barrel-15, Various Troy toys,” Anderson texted Evan, including Jarvis’ photos. The letters and numbers described a litany of arms and night vision goggles, rifle optics and lasers designed for aiming, and rifle parts.

    “Wow, items are good, any idea on price if I took everything?” Evan texted back.

    “I’ll let you know as soon as I hear back from him,” Anderson wrote, referring to Sumlin.

    Over the next few days, the conversation continued, copies of messages show. Anderson and Evan complained about the weapons’ high prices. They sounded paranoid when they discussed dealing with amateur gun dealers like Sumlin and Jarvis, and feared they would attract attention from law enforcement.

    “As soon as he named his price (for the gunsights) I thought he was joking since they’re definitely USED,” Anderson wrote. “I’m not sure if it’s his first time or not. But it’s the last time I ask around for (Sumlin).”

    After a few days, Evan said he’d found a buyer who wanted it. All of it.

    What Anderson didn’t know is that Evan was a longtime confidential informant working with Homeland Security Investigations, an arm of the Department of Homeland Security.

    In his communication with Sumlin and Anderson, Evan said, he represented a buyer who claimed to be connected to narcotraffickers. (Sumlin has denied that the weapons were meant to be sold to drugrunners.)

    “I didn’t know (the buyer) was south of Texas,” Anderson wrote.

    “Yep he goes between Texas and Mexico all the time,” Evan wrote back.

    “I wouldn’t sell anything to anyone down there,” Anderson replied.

    “Lol … well he has always been a cash buyer without question and never any issues at all,” Evan responded. “It sounds like they’ve made a deal.”

    “I hope so. They still have to meet and conclude,” wrote Anderson.

    (AP Illustration/Peter Hamlin)

    By mid-November 2018, Jarvis had rented a Chevy Tahoe SUV in North Carolina and drove the stolen cache south. He met Sumlin in Inverness, a small town in central Florida’s lakes region, so they could prepare the weapons for sale, according to a federal criminal complaint.

    Sumlin would say he and Jarvis had initially sought $250,000 for the firearms and explosives. After some back-and-forth, they settled on a much lower price: $75,000.

    It seemed a paltry amount, considering the risk, but the weapons sale may have been just one in which they were involved. According to the Army Criminal Investigation Division’s case file, Jarvis and Sumlin would later tell agents about “criminal transactions” in Colorado, North Carolina, Florida, Georgia and Texas. In the document, another soldier confessed to stealing multiple rifle optic systems and a bomb suit, which were given to Sumlin.

    In Florida, Jarvis and Sumlin cleaned the firearms to remove their fingerprints. They also paid to have some parts modified to fit the rifles. With the cache assembled, cleaned, packed in storage containers and loaded for delivery, the men got into the SUV for the 24-hour drive to Texas.

    Arriving in El Paso, they pulled into a truck stop the morning of Nov. 14, 2018. A man they thought was the buyers’ contact, known as Andy, waited with some others. They told Sumlin and Jarvis to follow them to a nearby warehouse — and into the trap.

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    There, the agents confirmed that the two men were indeed carrying multiple firearms, military equipment and C4 plastic explosives. A SWAT team pounced, arrested them and secured the cache.

    Homeland Security agents seized more than 30 firearms; several blocks of C4; a hand grenade; shaped charges; body armor; night vision devices; binoculars; ammunition; lasers and magazines. In Mexico, where drug traffickers have fought openly, the equipment could unleash carnage.

    Yet the weapons recovered did not account for all that was missing from Bragg’s armory. According to the report by Army criminal investigators, the items stolen between Sumlin, Jarvis and their accomplices between 2014 and 2018 were valued at close to $180,000. But the U.S. government only recovered roughly $26,000 worth.

    The Army referred questions to Homeland Security Investigations, which initially promised to discuss the case with AP, then canceled the interview and, later, did not respond to written questions.

    Jarvis and Sumlin were indicted on eight different federal charges, including conspiracy and gunrunning.

    “Holy hell they had to be planning a crazy something for sure,” Evan texted a Homeland Security agent.

    “Boss is extremely happy ... It was a good hit,” the agent replied. “Bad guys thought we were narco traffickers from Mexico ... Using their weapons against troops.”

    ____

    Sumlin posted bail and returned to his Florida home to pick up the pieces. He faced a possible 70 years in prison, and struggled under the weight of PTSD.

    He logged onto the EOD community's private Facebook group page and saw a message directed at him.

    “Dude is this you?” an EOD brother asked.

    (AP Illustration/Peter Hamlin)

    There on the page for everyone to see was a copy of his indictment, which had not been made public or attracted any media attention.

    “Yup,” Sumlin typed.

    “Mistakes were made,” a fellow EOD member responded, glibly.

    “Alot of them,” Sumlin wrote.

    In the months after the arrests, word had swirled in the small EOD community about fellow soldiers who’d tried to sell firearms and explosives. But the Army sent no official press release and there were no news reports. The chatter was dismissed as a rumor traded among troops.

    The indictment confirmed the rumor, and some of Sumlin’s brethren were livid. Explosive ordnance disposal technicians work on the border amid Mexican drug-related violence. What if the weapons had ended up with narcos? They might have been used against the good guys.

    “Bro, (obscenity) you AND your service. You’re a piece of (obscenity),” wrote one EOD group member. “You betrayed everyone you ever worked with as soon as you tried to sell weapons and explosives to a cartel.”

    In response, Sumlin indicated there had been six others involved in the conspiracy. Pressed to identify them, he refused.

    Why, asked another community member, was he protecting the other conspirators?

    “I’d like to hope they learned from what’s going to happen to me,” Sumlin explained. He said he didn’t think any of them had been arrested, and he wanted to keep it that way. He hoped his and Jarvis’ punishment would dissuade them from future arms dealings.

    For many in the EOD community, Sumlin’s mea culpa and excuses about needing money were not enough. He had crossed a line by selling items that could have killed one of their own.

    Sumlin and Jarvis had faced decades in prison, but both reached deals with federal prosecutors. They pleaded guilty to attempting to smuggle goods from the United States.

    The other seven counts were dropped. The maximum term was now 10 years in prison and a $250,000 fine.

    But they didn’t even get that.

    Each was sentenced to five years’ probation, and Jarvis was ordered to mental health counseling and required to take prescribed medication.

    Jarvis and Anderson did not return messages seeking comment. Sumlin declined to be interviewed for this story, but said in a 2019 interview that he planned to finish his probation and complete a psychology degree.

    “I want to try and help veterans that have lost their way and try to help veterans transition out of the military and back into civilian life ... people that have gone through the issues of losing that rush ... that spark in life,” he said.

    The investigators, meanwhile, were incensed. They speculated that the federal judge was moved by the defendants’ service records and claims of post-traumatic stress disorder.

    “I don’t mind getting my ass kicked in court fair and square ... but when they take a plea agreement and admit to everything we charged him with ... I just don’t know what to say,” a federal agent wrote to Evan.

    “It’s like if they pulled over (Timothy) McVeigh on the way to Oklahoma City … and gave him probation because he didn’t actually blow up the building,” Evan responded.

    As for Sumlin’s insistence that drug traffickers were never discussed when he was negotiating the deal with undercover agents, Evan is adamant: The veteran was lying.

    “They definitely planned to steal the weapons, the C4, the blasting caps and everything and they were going to sell it to the Mexican cartel, period,” Evan told the AP.

    The legal record is unclear. Sumlin told federal officials he believed the weapons were going to be exported to Mexico. But the federal complaint does not mention drug cartels.

    To Evan, Sumlin and Jarvis are terrorists. If they were Muslim or Black, he said, they wouldn’t have gotten off so easily.

    “It was very frustrating that so many risked their lives, so many undercover people. There were all kinds of agencies involved and this is the outcome?” Evan wrote a Homeland Security agent. “There’s other guys who got much worse for much less.”

    ___

    LaPorta reported from Boca Raton, Florida; contact him at https://twitter.com/JimLaPorta. Dearen reported from New York; contact him at https://twitter.com/JHDearen. Randy Herschaft in New York contributed.

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  • Way to hold a “responsible” Gun owner “responsible.”

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    Way to hold a “responsible” Gun owner “responsible.”

    https://apple.news/ALKpcmyq_TAOoJl78V-3Gyg

    noted they didnt describe  this "freak accident"
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    Is this common among "responsible" gun owners?

    Colorado GOP Rep. Lauren Boebert posted a Christmas photo of her family wielding rifles, joining a fellow Republican who was criticized for posting a similar photo after a high-school shooting.

    Boebert posted the photo Tuesday. It shows her in front of a Christmas tree with her four sons, each of whom has a gun. She isn't armed in the photo, and it doesn't feature her husband.

    Boebert is a vocal gun-rights activist who gained prominence last year after pledging to carry a gun around Congress when she was elected.

    "The Boeberts have your six, @RepThomasMassie!" she wrote alongside the photo. 

    Lauren Boebert posted her own Christmas photo brandishing assault rifles with her kids after a GOP rep was criticized for his (msn.com)


    I have a neighbor that posted a similar xmas pic a few years ago with their kids holding handguns.  The kids were holding them very awkwardly so I doubt they had any training with them at all.  Just an odd thing to do.
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  • Nothing says Christmas like “responsible” gun possession.

    https://www.live5news.com/2021/12/26/deputies-3-year-old-wounded-accidental-nc-christmas-day-shooting/

    I guess keeping a loaded firearm in a kitchen drawer is deemed “responsible” in some parts?
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 24,999
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    media needs to stop this accidental bullshit when children find a gun. its not a fucking accident. its a probability unless the weapon is secured.

    In a drawer. under a bed/mattress, in a closet etc is not a definition  of secure
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