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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 39,273
    " A child found an unsecured weapon today and discharged it wounding/killing himself or others"
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  • dudemandudeman Posts: 3,070
    mickeyrat said:
    media needs to stop this accidental bullshit when children find a gun. its not a fucking accident. its a probability unless the weapon is secured.

    In a drawer. under a bed/mattress, in a closet etc is not a definition  of secure
    No kidding. It really isn't difficult to lock them up.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,337
    mickeyrat said:
    media needs to stop this accidental bullshit when children find a gun. its not a fucking accident. its a probability unless the weapon is secured.

    In a drawer. under a bed/mattress, in a closet etc is not a definition  of secure
    State governing bodies and cops need to stop describing them as “tragic” accidents and pass and enforce laws that require serious consequences for stupidity. You know, hold gun owners “responsible.”
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 39,273
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    mickeyrat said:
    media needs to stop this accidental bullshit when children find a gun. its not a fucking accident. its a probability unless the weapon is secured.

    In a drawer. under a bed/mattress, in a closet etc is not a definition  of secure
    State governing bodies and cops need to stop describing them as “tragic” accidents and pass and enforce laws that require serious consequences for stupidity. You know, hold gun owners “responsible.”
    agreed.

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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,337
    What this nation needs is more guns.

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/28/us/denver-shooting-officer-injured/index.html
    09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;

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  • nicknyr15nicknyr15 Posts: 8,564
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    What this nation needs is more guns.

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/28/us/denver-shooting-officer-injured/index.html
    I can’t even read these stories anymore. It’s just insane how often this happens. 
  • static111static111 Posts: 4,889
    Yesterday a 14 year old in north texas killed 3 other teens at a convenience store.  Handgun supposedly had a 20 round magazine.
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  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 10,821
    Parents charged after 13-year-old shoots 5-year-old brother to death

    The brother's been charged as an adult, with homicide. He  was on. Police say the father admitted leaving the gun where his son got h...
  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,194
    Bentleyspop said:
    Parents charged after 13-year-old shoots 5-year-old brother to death

    The brother's been charged as an adult, with homicide. He  was on. Police say the father admitted leaving the gun where his son got h...
    I won't pretend to know how the laws of PA (or any state) address what to any reasonable person is big-time negligence. That said, as we move towards "rights; not responsibilities" I could see a lot of states moving towards removing any laws that would hold parents responsible for something like this.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,337
    Bentleyspop said:

    Any comments from Lauren Boebert yet? She’s a gem so I’m sure she’ll have a thoughtful comment or two, maybe a classy email fundraiser statement. Guess we need more guns, clearly there aren’t enough.
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 37,350
    In 2020 in the US, more than 5,100 children younger than 18 were killed or injured in gun incidents, according to the Gun Violence Archive.
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  • static111static111 Posts: 4,889
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    In 2020 in the US, more than 5,100 children younger than 18 were killed or injured in gun incidents, according to the Gun Violence Archive.
    That is over 4000 more than have died of covid...too bad there is nothing we can do about guns
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 37,350
    static111 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    In 2020 in the US, more than 5,100 children younger than 18 were killed or injured in gun incidents, according to the Gun Violence Archive.
    That is over 4000 more than have died of covid...too bad there is nothing we can do about guns
    well, at least the right is consistent with their messaging on both. 
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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 28,614
    edited December 2021
    I haven’t been to the range in forever.  My kids don’t  have any interest in hunting or shooting. Seriously thinking about selling all my firearms and using the money to buy a new guitar (s).
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  • static111static111 Posts: 4,889
    mcgruff10 said:
    I haven’t been to the range in forever.  My kids don’t  have any interest in hunting or shooting. Seriously thinking about selling all my firearms and using the money to buy a new guitar (s).
    doooooooooo it! You need a very nice guitar!
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    mcgruff10 said:
    I haven’t been to the range in forever.  My kids don’t  have any interest in hunting or shooting. Seriously thinking about selling all my firearms and using the money to buy a new guitar (s).
    while you do need a nice guitar, imo everyone does,  i still cannot picture you with no firearms.
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  • FiveBelowFiveBelow Posts: 1,294
    edited December 2021
    mcgruff10 said:
    I haven’t been to the range in forever.  My kids don’t  have any interest in hunting or shooting. Seriously thinking about selling all my firearms and using the money to buy a new guitar (s).
    Melt them down and commission someone to make a custom steel body resonator. Major lose-lose from a monetary standpoint, but a small price to forever be deemed “responsible”. 
    Post edited by FiveBelow on
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 28,614
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    I haven’t been to the range in forever.  My kids don’t  have any interest in hunting or shooting. Seriously thinking about selling all my firearms and using the money to buy a new guitar (s).
    while you do need a nice guitar, imo everyone does,  i still cannot picture you with no firearms.
    True true.  Maybe keep one or two but the interest just isn't there anymore for me.  The gun culture has definitely changed for the worse in my lifetime.  
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,337
    From NYT covid's impact on kids.

    Gun violence against children has increased, as part of a broader nationwide rise in crime. In Chicago, for example, 101 residents under age 20 were murdered last year, up from 76 in 2019. School shootings have also risen: The Washington Post counted 42 last year in the U.S., the most on record and up from 27 in 2019.
    More guns is the answer.
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,491
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    From NYT covid's impact on kids.

    Gun violence against children has increased, as part of a broader nationwide rise in crime. In Chicago, for example, 101 residents under age 20 were murdered last year, up from 76 in 2019. School shootings have also risen: The Washington Post counted 42 last year in the U.S., the most on record and up from 27 in 2019.
    More guns is the answer.
    Only 27 school shootings in 2019?  I could have sworn that people posted articles that stated there were school shootings every week.  

    27 is still bad but I'm pretty sure articles posted were stating otherwise.
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,491
    I'll use this for reference.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,337
    I think it depends on how "school shootings" are defined. If I recall, some folks here were contesting the numbers because some of the incidents happened on school grounds after class hours or on the weekend. Classifying, compiling and keeping statistics on firearms and firearm health impacts is something the NRA vehemently opposes. Its a slippery slope to coming to take your guns away.

    A few more links:

    https://www.edweek.org/leadership/school-shootings-in-2019-how-many-and-where/2019/02

    https://everytownresearch.org/maps/gunfire-on-school-grounds/

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/15/us/2019-us-school-shootings-trnd/index.html


    09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;

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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,491
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    I think it depends on how "school shootings" are defined. If I recall, some folks here were contesting the numbers because some of the incidents happened on school grounds after class hours or on the weekend. Classifying, compiling and keeping statistics on firearms and firearm health impacts is something the NRA vehemently opposes. Its a slippery slope to coming to take your guns away.

    A few more links:

    https://www.edweek.org/leadership/school-shootings-in-2019-how-many-and-where/2019/02

    https://everytownresearch.org/maps/gunfire-on-school-grounds/

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/15/us/2019-us-school-shootings-trnd/index.html


    If you want to ban the ar-15 isn't that taking your guns away?
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,337
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    I think it depends on how "school shootings" are defined. If I recall, some folks here were contesting the numbers because some of the incidents happened on school grounds after class hours or on the weekend. Classifying, compiling and keeping statistics on firearms and firearm health impacts is something the NRA vehemently opposes. Its a slippery slope to coming to take your guns away.

    A few more links:

    https://www.edweek.org/leadership/school-shootings-in-2019-how-many-and-where/2019/02

    https://everytownresearch.org/maps/gunfire-on-school-grounds/

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/15/us/2019-us-school-shootings-trnd/index.html


    If you want to ban the ar-15 isn't that taking your guns away?
    Ban future AR15s. No one's assault weapon was seized after the 10 year ban went into effect. Can't begin to address root causes of issues unless you fully understand the problem. But we all know what the problem is, not enough firearms, including assault weapons, in the hands of "responsible" gun owners.
    09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;

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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,491
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    I think it depends on how "school shootings" are defined. If I recall, some folks here were contesting the numbers because some of the incidents happened on school grounds after class hours or on the weekend. Classifying, compiling and keeping statistics on firearms and firearm health impacts is something the NRA vehemently opposes. Its a slippery slope to coming to take your guns away.

    A few more links:

    https://www.edweek.org/leadership/school-shootings-in-2019-how-many-and-where/2019/02

    https://everytownresearch.org/maps/gunfire-on-school-grounds/

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/15/us/2019-us-school-shootings-trnd/index.html


    If you want to ban the ar-15 isn't that taking your guns away?
    Ban future AR15s. No one's assault weapon was seized after the 10 year ban went into effect. Can't begin to address root causes of issues unless you fully understand the problem. But we all know what the problem is, not enough firearms, including assault weapons, in the hands of "responsible" gun owners.
    As long as I can buy or sell an old one I don't have a problem w this.  I just want the right to own one.

    Last time w the ban all it did was drive up prices for them.  They weren't cheap before either.
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,337
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    I think it depends on how "school shootings" are defined. If I recall, some folks here were contesting the numbers because some of the incidents happened on school grounds after class hours or on the weekend. Classifying, compiling and keeping statistics on firearms and firearm health impacts is something the NRA vehemently opposes. Its a slippery slope to coming to take your guns away.

    A few more links:

    https://www.edweek.org/leadership/school-shootings-in-2019-how-many-and-where/2019/02

    https://everytownresearch.org/maps/gunfire-on-school-grounds/

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/15/us/2019-us-school-shootings-trnd/index.html


    If you want to ban the ar-15 isn't that taking your guns away?
    Ban future AR15s. No one's assault weapon was seized after the 10 year ban went into effect. Can't begin to address root causes of issues unless you fully understand the problem. But we all know what the problem is, not enough firearms, including assault weapons, in the hands of "responsible" gun owners.
    As long as I can buy or sell an old one I don't have a problem w this.  I just want the right to own one.

    Last time w the ban all it did was drive up prices for them.  They weren't cheap before either.
    I don't think you have anything to worry about regarding access to firearms. There's plenty to go around and with 3D printing available and getting better, anyone will be able to make their own. Nobody is "coming to take your guns."
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,491
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    I think it depends on how "school shootings" are defined. If I recall, some folks here were contesting the numbers because some of the incidents happened on school grounds after class hours or on the weekend. Classifying, compiling and keeping statistics on firearms and firearm health impacts is something the NRA vehemently opposes. Its a slippery slope to coming to take your guns away.

    A few more links:

    https://www.edweek.org/leadership/school-shootings-in-2019-how-many-and-where/2019/02

    https://everytownresearch.org/maps/gunfire-on-school-grounds/

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/15/us/2019-us-school-shootings-trnd/index.html


    If you want to ban the ar-15 isn't that taking your guns away?
    Ban future AR15s. No one's assault weapon was seized after the 10 year ban went into effect. Can't begin to address root causes of issues unless you fully understand the problem. But we all know what the problem is, not enough firearms, including assault weapons, in the hands of "responsible" gun owners.
    As long as I can buy or sell an old one I don't have a problem w this.  I just want the right to own one.

    Last time w the ban all it did was drive up prices for them.  They weren't cheap before either.
    I don't think you have anything to worry about regarding access to firearms. There's plenty to go around and with 3D printing available and getting better, anyone will be able to make their own. Nobody is "coming to take your guns."
    You don't understand gun laws then.  You can't just make your own gun legally.  You should have a class 3 machinists license then it has to be registered and have a serial number.  If I got caught w an unmarked gun I would be nailed w a felony.  I don't see why anyone would make one anyways?

    I want to own something legally.

    Also those 3d printed guns aren't up to snuff just yet.  You won't be taking out zee Germans with one any time soon but it could happen.
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,337
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    I think it depends on how "school shootings" are defined. If I recall, some folks here were contesting the numbers because some of the incidents happened on school grounds after class hours or on the weekend. Classifying, compiling and keeping statistics on firearms and firearm health impacts is something the NRA vehemently opposes. Its a slippery slope to coming to take your guns away.

    A few more links:

    https://www.edweek.org/leadership/school-shootings-in-2019-how-many-and-where/2019/02

    https://everytownresearch.org/maps/gunfire-on-school-grounds/

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/15/us/2019-us-school-shootings-trnd/index.html


    If you want to ban the ar-15 isn't that taking your guns away?
    Ban future AR15s. No one's assault weapon was seized after the 10 year ban went into effect. Can't begin to address root causes of issues unless you fully understand the problem. But we all know what the problem is, not enough firearms, including assault weapons, in the hands of "responsible" gun owners.
    As long as I can buy or sell an old one I don't have a problem w this.  I just want the right to own one.

    Last time w the ban all it did was drive up prices for them.  They weren't cheap before either.
    I don't think you have anything to worry about regarding access to firearms. There's plenty to go around and with 3D printing available and getting better, anyone will be able to make their own. Nobody is "coming to take your guns."
    You don't understand gun laws then.  You can't just make your own gun legally.  You should have a class 3 machinists license then it has to be registered and have a serial number.  If I got caught w an unmarked gun I would be nailed w a felony.  I don't see why anyone would make one anyways?

    I want to own something legally.

    Also those 3d printed guns aren't up to snuff just yet.  You won't be taking out zee Germans with one any time soon but it could happen.
    I didn’t say anything about it being legal or not, just that the capability exists. It’s another thing the NRA is against regulating because they think everyone Is “responsible” like you.

    And ask the parents of the young woman killed with a 3D printed gun whether they’re effective or not or law enforcement agencies that are seeing more and more of them used in crimes. Like I said, in another way, your right to bear arms won’t be infringed.

    Cant a “responsible” person buy a gun kit and associated parts individually and assemble a gun and not violate the law?
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,491
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    I think it depends on how "school shootings" are defined. If I recall, some folks here were contesting the numbers because some of the incidents happened on school grounds after class hours or on the weekend. Classifying, compiling and keeping statistics on firearms and firearm health impacts is something the NRA vehemently opposes. Its a slippery slope to coming to take your guns away.

    A few more links:

    https://www.edweek.org/leadership/school-shootings-in-2019-how-many-and-where/2019/02

    https://everytownresearch.org/maps/gunfire-on-school-grounds/

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/15/us/2019-us-school-shootings-trnd/index.html


    If you want to ban the ar-15 isn't that taking your guns away?
    Ban future AR15s. No one's assault weapon was seized after the 10 year ban went into effect. Can't begin to address root causes of issues unless you fully understand the problem. But we all know what the problem is, not enough firearms, including assault weapons, in the hands of "responsible" gun owners.
    As long as I can buy or sell an old one I don't have a problem w this.  I just want the right to own one.

    Last time w the ban all it did was drive up prices for them.  They weren't cheap before either.
    I don't think you have anything to worry about regarding access to firearms. There's plenty to go around and with 3D printing available and getting better, anyone will be able to make their own. Nobody is "coming to take your guns."
    You don't understand gun laws then.  You can't just make your own gun legally.  You should have a class 3 machinists license then it has to be registered and have a serial number.  If I got caught w an unmarked gun I would be nailed w a felony.  I don't see why anyone would make one anyways?

    I want to own something legally.

    Also those 3d printed guns aren't up to snuff just yet.  You won't be taking out zee Germans with one any time soon but it could happen.
    I didn’t say anything about it being legal or not, just that the capability exists. It’s another thing the NRA is against regulating because they think everyone Is “responsible” like you.

    And ask the parents of the young woman killed with a 3D printed gun whether they’re effective or not or law enforcement agencies that are seeing more and more of them used in crimes. Like I said, in another way, your right to bear arms won’t be infringed.

    Cant a “responsible” person buy a gun kit and associated parts individually and assemble a gun and not violate the law?
    To your last part, no, yes, depends.  Can you do it?  Yes.  What kind of gun is it?  Are you building a Moissin Nigant or an Ar-15?  The AR you can not legally.  Those serial numbers mean something once you add a firing pin.  hand gun?  Absolute no no.

    You can do these things yes but the ends don't justify the means if you get caught.  It's just not worth it.  I would talk to people about these things and always stated I wanted to be able to own a firearm legally.  Sawing off the barrel of a shot gun or making my own gun was never something that excited me because of the consequences.  Why do something illegally when u can do it legally.
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