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joseph33joseph33 Washington DC Posts: 1,206
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Just want to know how many of you there are,and why you choose not to be? It seems that this topic has been politicized,I believe in freedom of choice myself,just curious as to others thoughts.
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    hedonisthedonist standing on the edge of forever Posts: 24,524
    This should go well! ;)

    https://community.pearljam.com/discussion/289628/vaccine-status#latest
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    nicknyr15nicknyr15 Posts: 7,700
    Don’t expect “discussion” here. 
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    brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 40,669
    joseph33 said:
    Just want to know how many of you there are,and why you choose not to be? It seems that this topic has been politicized,I believe in freedom of choice myself,just curious as to others thoughts.

    That sounds like a vaccination-as-politicized-topic statement.  Yes?
    I don't think this will gain much traction either way.  I will be surprised if you get many, if any, "Yeah, I'm unvaccinated" responses here. Maybe try the Marjorie Taylor Greene fan club site?
    “The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
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    nicknyr15nicknyr15 Posts: 7,700
    brianlux said:
    joseph33 said:
    Just want to know how many of you there are,and why you choose not to be? It seems that this topic has been politicized,I believe in freedom of choice myself,just curious as to others thoughts.

    That sounds like a vaccination-as-politicized-topic statement.  Yes?
    I don't think this will gain much traction either way.  I will be surprised if you get many, if any, "Yeah, I'm unvaccinated" responses here. Maybe try the Marjorie Taylor Greene fan club site?
    This is untrue. I know plenty of liberals who aren’t vaccinated. People of color, trans gender etc…. That’s nonsense honestly. Those are just the only unvaccinated demographic this site focuses on. 
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    static111static111 Posts: 4,889
    brianlux said:
    joseph33 said:
    Just want to know how many of you there are,and why you choose not to be? It seems that this topic has been politicized,I believe in freedom of choice myself,just curious as to others thoughts.

    That sounds like a vaccination-as-politicized-topic statement.  Yes?
    I don't think this will gain much traction either way.  I will be surprised if you get many, if any, "Yeah, I'm unvaccinated" responses here. Maybe try the Marjorie Taylor Greene fan club site?
    About 50% of the unvaxxed I know are anything but Trumpers or mtg acolytes.   However if the trend of vilifying them as if they are continues I would not be surprised if they go to the only group offering them open arms.  But by all means let’s shame them and find out.
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    SVRDhand13SVRDhand13 NYC Posts: 25,790
    static111 said:
    brianlux said:
    joseph33 said:
    Just want to know how many of you there are,and why you choose not to be? It seems that this topic has been politicized,I believe in freedom of choice myself,just curious as to others thoughts.

    That sounds like a vaccination-as-politicized-topic statement.  Yes?
    I don't think this will gain much traction either way.  I will be surprised if you get many, if any, "Yeah, I'm unvaccinated" responses here. Maybe try the Marjorie Taylor Greene fan club site?
    About 50% of the unvaxxed I know are anything but Trumpers or mtg acolytes.   However if the trend of vilifying them as if they are continues I would not be surprised if they go to the only group offering them open arms.  But by all means let’s shame them and find out.
    If just a little shaming pushes anti-vaxxers towards trump... they were headed there eventually anyways.  
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    brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 40,669
    nicknyr15 said:
    brianlux said:
    joseph33 said:
    Just want to know how many of you there are,and why you choose not to be? It seems that this topic has been politicized,I believe in freedom of choice myself,just curious as to others thoughts.

    That sounds like a vaccination-as-politicized-topic statement.  Yes?
    I don't think this will gain much traction either way.  I will be surprised if you get many, if any, "Yeah, I'm unvaccinated" responses here. Maybe try the Marjorie Taylor Greene fan club site?
    This is untrue. I know plenty of liberals who aren’t vaccinated. People of color, trans gender etc…. That’s nonsense honestly. Those are just the only unvaccinated demographic this site focuses on. 

    static111 said:
    brianlux said:
    joseph33 said:
    Just want to know how many of you there are,and why you choose not to be? It seems that this topic has been politicized,I believe in freedom of choice myself,just curious as to others thoughts.

    That sounds like a vaccination-as-politicized-topic statement.  Yes?
    I don't think this will gain much traction either way.  I will be surprised if you get many, if any, "Yeah, I'm unvaccinated" responses here. Maybe try the Marjorie Taylor Greene fan club site?
    About 50% of the unvaxxed I know are anything but Trumpers or mtg acolytes.   However if the trend of vilifying them as if they are continues I would not be surprised if they go to the only group offering them open arms.  But by all means let’s shame them and find out.

    Its not my experience that liberals are just as apt to be anti-vax as conservative, but you may both be right-  I don't have the data at hand.  But I do know this- far more people die of COVID who are not vaccinated and, from what I've seen and heard, the most loudly vocal anti-vax people are MTG, Trump and the like fans.  That's my experience.  I'm open to be proven wrong.
    “The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
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    gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 22,151
    static111 said:
    brianlux said:
    joseph33 said:
    Just want to know how many of you there are,and why you choose not to be? It seems that this topic has been politicized,I believe in freedom of choice myself,just curious as to others thoughts.

    That sounds like a vaccination-as-politicized-topic statement.  Yes?
    I don't think this will gain much traction either way.  I will be surprised if you get many, if any, "Yeah, I'm unvaccinated" responses here. Maybe try the Marjorie Taylor Greene fan club site?
    About 50% of the unvaxxed I know are anything but Trumpers or mtg acolytes.   However if the trend of vilifying them as if they are continues I would not be surprised if they go to the only group offering them open arms.  But by all means let’s shame them and find out.
    they can go where they want. i do not give a shit at this point. they can all take their chances as far as i am concerned.

    i have stated several times that the unvaccinated are killing my business. so if they want to gamble with their lives i will shed no tears. i am out of empathy for the unvaccinated at this point.
    There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self.- Hemingway

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    gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 22,151
    nicknyr15 said:
    brianlux said:
    joseph33 said:
    Just want to know how many of you there are,and why you choose not to be? It seems that this topic has been politicized,I believe in freedom of choice myself,just curious as to others thoughts.

    That sounds like a vaccination-as-politicized-topic statement.  Yes?
    I don't think this will gain much traction either way.  I will be surprised if you get many, if any, "Yeah, I'm unvaccinated" responses here. Maybe try the Marjorie Taylor Greene fan club site?
    This is untrue. I know plenty of liberals who aren’t vaccinated. People of color, trans gender etc…. That’s nonsense honestly. Those are just the only unvaccinated demographic this site focuses on. 
    well. then they are not liberals.

    small d democrats maybe, but certainly not liberals.
    There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self.- Hemingway

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
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    brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 40,669
    I said this in another thread, but we know a woman who is religious and right wing and knowing she was unvaccinated and had tested positive for COVID, rode with her mother in a closed automobile and gave her elderly mother, who is also anti-vax, COVID. 
    Yeah, so easy to say, "I'm am for freedom of choice".  But here's the thing:  those two people have been around other people we know (not my wife and I!) and who knows how many of them will get COVID.  Yeah, freedom of choice.  Free to fuck over other people's lives.
    Like gimme said, I have lost empathy for these people.  I'm over it with these idiots.
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    gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 22,151
    brianlux said:
    I said this in another thread, but we know a woman who is religious and right wing and knowing she was unvaccinated and had tested positive for COVID, rode with her mother in a closed automobile and gave her elderly mother, who is also anti-vax, COVID. 
    Yeah, so easy to say, "I'm am for freedom of choice".  But here's the thing:  those two people have been around other people we know (not my wife and I!) and who knows how many of them will get COVID.  Yeah, freedom of choice.  Free to fuck over other people's lives.
    Like gimme said, I have lost empathy for these people.  I'm over it with these idiots.
    i hope you and your wife are staying safe Brian.

    those people are dangerous. those are the ones that believe "god will take care of me". yeah, god will let you die of a preventable virus and then you will be dead. dead and gone. a horribly painful suffocating death. you will be dead, and forgotten by everyone you knew in 40 years because they will be dead too.

    i have told people that if they are unvaccinated i do not want to be around them and i do not want to even know them anymore.
    There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self.- Hemingway

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
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    nicknyr15nicknyr15 Posts: 7,700
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    brianlux said:
    joseph33 said:
    Just want to know how many of you there are,and why you choose not to be? It seems that this topic has been politicized,I believe in freedom of choice myself,just curious as to others thoughts.

    That sounds like a vaccination-as-politicized-topic statement.  Yes?
    I don't think this will gain much traction either way.  I will be surprised if you get many, if any, "Yeah, I'm unvaccinated" responses here. Maybe try the Marjorie Taylor Greene fan club site?
    This is untrue. I know plenty of liberals who aren’t vaccinated. People of color, trans gender etc…. That’s nonsense honestly. Those are just the only unvaccinated demographic this site focuses on. 
    well. then they are not liberals.

    small d democrats maybe, but certainly not liberals.
    Yea. Just like if you don’t vote for Biden , then “you ain’t black”. 
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    HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 35,808
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    there was a survey that found the most likely demographic (in ontario I think?) to be unvaxxed/anti-vaxx were liberal women. 

    https://calgaryherald.com/opinion/columnists/corbella-the-vaccine-hesitant-are-typically-40-something-women-in-ontario-who-tend-to-vote-liberal
    Post edited by HughFreakingDillon on
    Darwinspeed, all. 

    Cheers,

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    nicknyr15nicknyr15 Posts: 7,700
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    there was a survey that found the most likely demographic (in ontario I think?) to be unvaxxed/anti-vaxx were white liberal women. 
    Yea the generalization is harmful and just untrue. Claiming that one side is politicizing the vaccine, then saying you’re not a liberal
    if your unvaccinated is hypocritical 
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    HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 35,808
    this survey is from 2015: 60 percent of anti vaxxers in the US identify as liberal. 

    https://qz.com/355398/the-average-anti-vaxxer-is-probably-not-who-you-think-she-is/
    Darwinspeed, all. 

    Cheers,

    HFD




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    gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 22,151
    nicknyr15 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    there was a survey that found the most likely demographic (in ontario I think?) to be unvaxxed/anti-vaxx were white liberal women. 
    Yea the generalization is harmful and just untrue. Claiming that one side is politicizing the vaccine, then saying you’re not a liberal
    if your unvaccinated is hypocritical 
    liberal- 
    1. 1.
      a supporter of policies that are socially progressive and promote social welfare.

      if these friends of yours do not promote the social welfare by getting a vaccine to protect those around them, then they are not a liberal as defined in the dictionary.
    There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self.- Hemingway

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    nicknyr15nicknyr15 Posts: 7,700
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    there was a survey that found the most likely demographic (in ontario I think?) to be unvaxxed/anti-vaxx were white liberal women. 
    Yea the generalization is harmful and just untrue. Claiming that one side is politicizing the vaccine, then saying you’re not a liberal
    if your unvaccinated is hypocritical 
    liberal- 
    1. 1.
      a supporter of policies that are socially progressive and promote social welfare.

      if these friends of yours do not promote the social welfare by getting a vaccine to protect those around them, then they are not a liberal as defined in the dictionary.
    So what do you call a conservative who is vaccinated? 
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    gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 22,151
    nicknyr15 said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    there was a survey that found the most likely demographic (in ontario I think?) to be unvaxxed/anti-vaxx were white liberal women. 
    Yea the generalization is harmful and just untrue. Claiming that one side is politicizing the vaccine, then saying you’re not a liberal
    if your unvaccinated is hypocritical 
    liberal- 
    1. 1.
      a supporter of policies that are socially progressive and promote social welfare.

      if these friends of yours do not promote the social welfare by getting a vaccine to protect those around them, then they are not a liberal as defined in the dictionary.
    So what do you call a conservative who is vaccinated? 
    intelligent.
    There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self.- Hemingway

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
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    nicknyr15nicknyr15 Posts: 7,700
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    there was a survey that found the most likely demographic (in ontario I think?) to be unvaxxed/anti-vaxx were white liberal women. 
    Yea the generalization is harmful and just untrue. Claiming that one side is politicizing the vaccine, then saying you’re not a liberal
    if your unvaccinated is hypocritical 
    liberal- 
    1. 1.
      a supporter of policies that are socially progressive and promote social welfare.

      if these friends of yours do not promote the social welfare by getting a vaccine to protect those around them, then they are not a liberal as defined in the dictionary.
    So what do you call a conservative who is vaccinated? 
    intelligent.
    Ha. Got me there. 
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    gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 22,151
    nicknyr15 said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    there was a survey that found the most likely demographic (in ontario I think?) to be unvaxxed/anti-vaxx were white liberal women. 
    Yea the generalization is harmful and just untrue. Claiming that one side is politicizing the vaccine, then saying you’re not a liberal
    if your unvaccinated is hypocritical 
    liberal- 
    1. 1.
      a supporter of policies that are socially progressive and promote social welfare.

      if these friends of yours do not promote the social welfare by getting a vaccine to protect those around them, then they are not a liberal as defined in the dictionary.
    So what do you call a conservative who is vaccinated? 
    also respectable.

    it takes courage to be a conservative and do something for someone else when you stand to gain nothing from it.
    There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self.- Hemingway

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
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    brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 40,669
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    brianlux said:
    I said this in another thread, but we know a woman who is religious and right wing and knowing she was unvaccinated and had tested positive for COVID, rode with her mother in a closed automobile and gave her elderly mother, who is also anti-vax, COVID. 
    Yeah, so easy to say, "I'm am for freedom of choice".  But here's the thing:  those two people have been around other people we know (not my wife and I!) and who knows how many of them will get COVID.  Yeah, freedom of choice.  Free to fuck over other people's lives.
    Like gimme said, I have lost empathy for these people.  I'm over it with these idiots.
    i hope you and your wife are staying safe Brian.

    those people are dangerous. those are the ones that believe "god will take care of me". yeah, god will let you die of a preventable virus and then you will be dead. dead and gone. a horribly painful suffocating death. you will be dead, and forgotten by everyone you knew in 40 years because they will be dead too.

    i have told people that if they are unvaccinated i do not want to be around them and i do not want to even know them anymore.

    Doing well, my friend, thanks!

    And thankfully my family member who lives near these other extended family anti-vax members is safe.  I can't stand the thought of her catching this terrible disease- especially from some anti-vax fools.
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    cblock4lifecblock4life Posts: 1,401
    Wonder how many anti vaccination people are also against abortion. Stop asking why they don’t want the vaccine because here’s the answer, they’re assholes.  I said a month or more ago that I was done with them.   The vaccine is proven safe and saves lives.  The answer is “they’re fucking assholes” and the question would be “who are the unvaccinated” if this was a game show.  
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    stuckinlinestuckinline Posts: 3,357
    edited September 2021
    brianlux said:
    I said this in another thread, but we know a woman who is religious and right wing and knowing she was unvaccinated and had tested positive for COVID, rode with her mother in a closed automobile and gave her elderly mother, who is also anti-vax, COVID. 
    Yeah, so easy to say, "I'm am for freedom of choice".  But here's the thing:  those two people have been around other people we know (not my wife and I!) and who knows how many of them will get COVID.  Yeah, freedom of choice.  Free to fuck over other people's lives.
    Like gimme said, I have lost empathy for these people.  I'm over it with these idiots.
    Brian, some people are difficult to understand and they don't give a sh*t about their fellow human bings. 
    Post edited by stuckinline on
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    Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom's Posts: 17,946
    static111 said:
    brianlux said:
    joseph33 said:
    Just want to know how many of you there are,and why you choose not to be? It seems that this topic has been politicized,I believe in freedom of choice myself,just curious as to others thoughts.

    That sounds like a vaccination-as-politicized-topic statement.  Yes?
    I don't think this will gain much traction either way.  I will be surprised if you get many, if any, "Yeah, I'm unvaccinated" responses here. Maybe try the Marjorie Taylor Greene fan club site?
    About 50% of the unvaxxed I know are anything but Trumpers or mtg acolytes.   However if the trend of vilifying them as if they are continues I would not be surprised if they go to the only group offering them open arms.  But by all means let’s shame them and find out.
    Yeah right... They will become trumpsters because smart people advise them to get vaccinated 
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    hedonisthedonist standing on the edge of forever Posts: 24,524
    See, OP? The “discussion” abounds 🤠
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    gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 22,151
    hedonist said:
    See, OP? The “discussion” abounds 🤠
    you told them in the very first reply :lol:
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    mace1229mace1229 Posts: 8,991
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    there was a survey that found the most likely demographic (in ontario I think?) to be unvaxxed/anti-vaxx were white liberal women. 
    Yea the generalization is harmful and just untrue. Claiming that one side is politicizing the vaccine, then saying you’re not a liberal
    if your unvaccinated is hypocritical 
    liberal- 
    1. 1.
      a supporter of policies that are socially progressive and promote social welfare.

      if these friends of yours do not promote the social welfare by getting a vaccine to protect those around them, then they are not a liberal as defined in the dictionary.
    I would think you need to look at more than just 1 (newer) issue to make that judgement.
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    jerparker20jerparker20 St. Paul, MN Posts: 2,401
    static111 said:
    brianlux said:
    joseph33 said:
    Just want to know how many of you there are,and why you choose not to be? It seems that this topic has been politicized,I believe in freedom of choice myself,just curious as to others thoughts.

    That sounds like a vaccination-as-politicized-topic statement.  Yes?
    I don't think this will gain much traction either way.  I will be surprised if you get many, if any, "Yeah, I'm unvaccinated" responses here. Maybe try the Marjorie Taylor Greene fan club site?
    About 50% of the unvaxxed I know are anything but Trumpers or mtg acolytes.   However if the trend of vilifying them as if they are continues I would not be surprised if they go to the only group offering them open arms.  But by all means let’s shame them and find out.
    All the anti-vax people I know don’t vote.
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    Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,111
    nicknyr15 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    there was a survey that found the most likely demographic (in ontario I think?) to be unvaxxed/anti-vaxx were white liberal women. 
    Yea the generalization is harmful and just untrue. Claiming that one side is politicizing the vaccine, then saying you’re not a liberal
    if your unvaccinated is hypocritical 

    It’s not a generalization. The solidly Republican states have vaccination rates about 20% lower than the solidly democratic states.
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    oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,822
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    this survey is from 2015: 60 percent of anti vaxxers in the US identify as liberal. 

    https://qz.com/355398/the-average-anti-vaxxer-is-probably-not-who-you-think-she-is/
    Sure, being anti-vaccination always used to be associated either with being “hippy” or with some fringe religious groups. It never really used to be a conservative thing, until COVID. 
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