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  • I'm not sure that I would hang my hat on a study with a pool of 63 participants but that's just me.

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  • static111static111 Posts: 4,889
    Nussenzweig’s group has published data showing people who recover from a SARS-CoV-2 infection continue to develop increasing numbers and types of coronavirus-targeting antibodies for up to 1 year. By contrast, he says, twice-vaccinated people stop seeing increases “in the potency or breadth of the overall memory antibody compartment” a few months after their second dose.

    this is part of what concerns me the most. I was double vaxxed as of early July. so that means I might be back to square one relatively soon. blargh. 
    Yeah  that's what I was thinking, like damn..since I'm vaxxed maybe I can catch the stuff most likely get a mild case and won't have to get a booster every 6 months...
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  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,624
    static111 said:
    static111 said:
    static111 said:
    brianlux said:
    joseph33 said:
    Just want to know how many of you there are,and why you choose not to be? It seems that this topic has been politicized,I believe in freedom of choice myself,just curious as to others thoughts.

    That sounds like a vaccination-as-politicized-topic statement.  Yes?
    I don't think this will gain much traction either way.  I will be surprised if you get many, if any, "Yeah, I'm unvaccinated" responses here. Maybe try the Marjorie Taylor Greene fan club site?
    About 50% of the unvaxxed I know are anything but Trumpers or mtg acolytes.   However if the trend of vilifying them as if they are continues I would not be surprised if they go to the only group offering them open arms.  But by all means let’s shame them and find out.
    Yeah right... They will become trumpsters because smart people advise them to get vaccinated 
    Smart according to what metrics? Most anti vaxxers were anti vax long before trump.  Many people still don't trust the vaccine and are waiting to see if there are any long term side effects, many also do not trust the pharmaceutical industrial establishment. I don't think either of those things makes anyone less smart than a person that believes every news story that Big Pharma and the pay to play politicians sell them about the vaccine.  Frankly I think there should be more research into how many people in the US have actually had covid and what that means for herd immunity when coupled with the vaccinated population, We might find that there is no reason to be upset with people that have very real concerns about their health and who to trust with it.
    because the science is sound on this: long term side effects to vaccines simply do not exist past the 40 day mark. this is scientific fact. how come all the people "doing their own research" keep failing to grasp this? why do we keep making excuses for these people?

    the vast majority of the politicians, including trump, on that side, that these people listen to, have gotten the vaccine and told them to get it. everyone at fox news has gotten the vaccine. 
    Agreed Hugh when it comes to traditional vaccines, but Mrna vaccines aren't traditional and this is the first time they have been used widely.  It is completely understandable to me why people that take this position do.  I was in the lets see how it goes camp for a while, but after several months of people getting the vaccine that cleared up my concerns...some people may just not feel secure until even more time has passed. But I guess we just crap on them, while Big Pharma continues to clutch rather than share their patents so that the vaccines could be more readily available in poorer parts of the world.  Jonas Salk would roll over in his grave.

    We've had over a billion doses of the mrna vax and my understanding is its as safe as any vax. The problem with covid is its highly infectious. That's why we need tge govt to protect the citizens following science.  Maybe there is a way to test those who have antibodies from the virus itself. Our govt should decide based on science.

    If someone has a bad cancer, and there is an experimental treatment available that shows promise,  how many are turning that down?
  • The  2 people i know  unvaxxed got covid same day. Sunday. One of them is my ex wife mother of my other 3 kids. 
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  • static111static111 Posts: 4,889
    The  2 people i know  unvaxxed got covid same day. Sunday. One of them is my ex wife mother of my other 3 kids. 
    Sorry to hear that hopefully they make it through ok
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  • PJPOWERPJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    Maybe those afraid of a vaccine should sign up for this study:
    https://dcri.org/activ-6-study/

    ACTIV-6 logoACTIV-6, “The Randomized Trial to Evaluate Efficacy of Repurposed Medications,” is a nationwide double-blind study expected to enroll nearly 15,000 participants from across the United States through its website, https://activ6study.org, and call center, 833-385-1880. The study is now testing these repurposed medications:

    • Ivermectin, used to treat parasitic infections;
    • Fluticasone, an inhaled steroid commonly prescribed for asthma and chronic obstructive pulmonary disease; and
    • Fluvoxamine, a selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor (SSRI), often prescribed for depression.


  • PJPOWER said:
    Maybe those afraid of a vaccine should sign up for this study:
    https://dcri.org/activ-6-study/

    ACTIV-6 logoACTIV-6, “The Randomized Trial to Evaluate Efficacy of Repurposed Medications,” is a nationwide double-blind study expected to enroll nearly 15,000 participants from across the United States through its website, https://activ6study.org, and call center, 833-385-1880. The study is now testing these repurposed medications:

    • Ivermectin, used to treat parasitic infections;
    • Fluticasone, an inhaled steroid commonly prescribed for asthma and chronic obstructive pulmonary disease; and
    • Fluvoxamine, a selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor (SSRI), often prescribed for depression.



    The initial fluvoxamine data is actually quite positive (unlike the ivermectin data), and as a bonus it does not appear to be fraudulent.
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  • static111static111 Posts: 4,889
    Have we had any unvaccinated respond to this thread yet?
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  • static111static111 Posts: 4,889
    I wouldn't if I were them. 
    Yeah I'm sure no one would like the reception they would have from all of the accepting non judgmental people around these parts. 
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  • static111 said:
    I wouldn't if I were them. 
    Yeah I'm sure no one would like the reception they would have from all of the accepting non judgmental people around these parts. 
    I'm feelin' a bit judgey at this point. Seriously, there is zero reason to not get the shot if you are medically able. and the longer they wait, the longer (and potentially deadly for all of us) this becomes. 
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  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    Here come da judge!
  • FiveBelowFiveBelow Posts: 1,288
    static111 said:
    Have we had any unvaccinated respond to this thread yet?
    Like most other AMT threads, a sudden influx of posts will signal when they have spoken.
  • JB16057JB16057 Posts: 1,269
    static111 said:
    I wouldn't if I were them. 
    Yeah I'm sure no one would like the reception they would have from all of the accepting non judgmental people around these parts. 
    I'm feelin' a bit judgey at this point. Seriously, there is zero reason to not get the shot if you are medically able. and the longer they wait, the longer (and potentially deadly for all of us) this becomes. 
    I don't know if I've seen this discussed here or not but how about the women who have taken the vaccine and now have irregular menstrual cycles?

    Ever since taking the shot in April, my wife has has very irregular menstrual cycles. I didn't put it together until recently I've seen news stories about other people having the same issue. Obviously, this isn't worse than getting COVID and dying but why would this be? I don't think this happens with other MRNA shots but why is this happening with this one and what are the long effects of this? No one knows because THIS vaccine hasn't been around long enough. 

    I'm not saying without a doubt this is the reason why it is happening but it is happening and it isn't just 1 or 2 women. If the shot is causing this, it does concern me what the long term effects are. We aren't planning on having any more children but this does worry me because I have 3 daughters that aren't quite of age to get the vaccine yet. Regardless, I am still leaning towards giving them the vaccine but this is something unknown and it does concern me quite a bit.

    I wouldn't blame others for having this same concern. The female body is nothing short of a miracle and we are injecting something that is changing it.
  • 690,000 dead and Since Dec. 14, more than 390,664,000 doses of a coronavirus vaccine have been administered in the U.S.

    More than 183,888,000 people have completed vaccination, or about 55.39% of the population. Read more in our vaccination tracker.

    What is the % of fully vaccinated reporting side effects and how long-lasting or permanently damaging are they?

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  • JB16057 said:
    static111 said:
    I wouldn't if I were them. 
    Yeah I'm sure no one would like the reception they would have from all of the accepting non judgmental people around these parts. 
    I'm feelin' a bit judgey at this point. Seriously, there is zero reason to not get the shot if you are medically able. and the longer they wait, the longer (and potentially deadly for all of us) this becomes. 
    I don't know if I've seen this discussed here or not but how about the women who have taken the vaccine and now have irregular menstrual cycles?

    Ever since taking the shot in April, my wife has has very irregular menstrual cycles. I didn't put it together until recently I've seen news stories about other people having the same issue. Obviously, this isn't worse than getting COVID and dying but why would this be? I don't think this happens with other MRNA shots but why is this happening with this one and what are the long effects of this? No one knows because THIS vaccine hasn't been around long enough. 

    I'm not saying without a doubt this is the reason why it is happening but it is happening and it isn't just 1 or 2 women. If the shot is causing this, it does concern me what the long term effects are. We aren't planning on having any more children but this does worry me because I have 3 daughters that aren't quite of age to get the vaccine yet. Regardless, I am still leaning towards giving them the vaccine but this is something unknown and it does concern me quite a bit.

    I wouldn't blame others for having this same concern. The female body is nothing short of a miracle and we are injecting something that is changing it.
    https://www.bu.edu/articles/2021/do-covid-vaccines-affect-menstruation/
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  • GlowGirlGlowGirl Posts: 10,884
    JB16057 said:
    static111 said:
    I wouldn't if I were them. 
    Yeah I'm sure no one would like the reception they would have from all of the accepting non judgmental people around these parts. 
    I'm feelin' a bit judgey at this point. Seriously, there is zero reason to not get the shot if you are medically able. and the longer they wait, the longer (and potentially deadly for all of us) this becomes. 
    I don't know if I've seen this discussed here or not but how about the women who have taken the vaccine and now have irregular menstrual cycles?

    Ever since taking the shot in April, my wife has has very irregular menstrual cycles. I didn't put it together until recently I've seen news stories about other people having the same issue. Obviously, this isn't worse than getting COVID and dying but why would this be? I don't think this happens with other MRNA shots but why is this happening with this one and what are the long effects of this? No one knows because THIS vaccine hasn't been around long enough. 

    I'm not saying without a doubt this is the reason why it is happening but it is happening and it isn't just 1 or 2 women. If the shot is causing this, it does concern me what the long term effects are. We aren't planning on having any more children but this does worry me because I have 3 daughters that aren't quite of age to get the vaccine yet. Regardless, I am still leaning towards giving them the vaccine but this is something unknown and it does concern me quite a bit.

    I wouldn't blame others for having this same concern. The female body is nothing short of a miracle and we are injecting something that is changing it.
    How old is your wife? That starts to happen at a certain age anyway - mid to late 40s or so.

  • JB16057JB16057 Posts: 1,269

    What is the % of fully vaccinated reporting side effects and how long-lasting or permanently damaging are they?

    As of right now, no one can answer that question with 100% certainty.

    As for the news story from BU, the study won't be finished until Spring of 2022. The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention says there is no evidence but can we fully trust them? https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/09/28/cdc-under-attack/

    If Trump can "ruin" the CDC's credibility then they really weren't that credible to begin with, were they? My point being is that politics are involved and it doesn't matter what side you are on, politics and politicians are corrupt. Some are honest and some tell the truth but there are many that do not.

    More than two-thirds of Congress cashed a pharma campaign check in 2020, new STAT analysis shows


    No one can tell me that these members of Congress hold stock in pharma to help the health of the people. They hold stock for the money involved. Money and politicians can make anything corrupt.

    I've given my experience on what is going on with my wife and I have every right to be concerned about the health of my 3 daughters. No one knows the long term effects of this vaccine. I hear that MRNA vaccines are tried and true but why is this vaccine causing this?

    "There is one potential side effect of Covid-19 vaccines that has been reported consistently, and just as consistently ignored: changes to the menstrual cycles."

    I'm only a male so this coming from me doesn't mean as much but a women wrote this story and she feels like this has been reported consistently and ignored consistently.

    As a father of daughters, this does concern me. Why would the CDC ignore this issue that has been consistently reported?
  • 690,000 dead and Since Dec. 14, more than 390,664,000 doses of a coronavirus vaccine have been administered in the U.S.

    More than 183,888,000 people have completed vaccination, or about 55.39% of the population. Read more in our vaccination tracker.

    What is the % of fully vaccinated reporting side effects and how long-lasting or permanently damaging are they?

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  • static111static111 Posts: 4,889
    JB16057 said:
    static111 said:
    I wouldn't if I were them. 
    Yeah I'm sure no one would like the reception they would have from all of the accepting non judgmental people around these parts. 
    I'm feelin' a bit judgey at this point. Seriously, there is zero reason to not get the shot if you are medically able. and the longer they wait, the longer (and potentially deadly for all of us) this becomes. 
    I don't know if I've seen this discussed here or not but how about the women who have taken the vaccine and now have irregular menstrual cycles?

    Ever since taking the shot in April, my wife has has very irregular menstrual cycles. I didn't put it together until recently I've seen news stories about other people having the same issue. Obviously, this isn't worse than getting COVID and dying but why would this be? I don't think this happens with other MRNA shots but why is this happening with this one and what are the long effects of this? No one knows because THIS vaccine hasn't been around long enough. 

    I'm not saying without a doubt this is the reason why it is happening but it is happening and it isn't just 1 or 2 women. If the shot is causing this, it does concern me what the long term effects are. We aren't planning on having any more children but this does worry me because I have 3 daughters that aren't quite of age to get the vaccine yet. Regardless, I am still leaning towards giving them the vaccine but this is something unknown and it does concern me quite a bit.

    I wouldn't blame others for having this same concern. The female body is nothing short of a miracle and we are injecting something that is changing it.
    https://www.bu.edu/articles/2021/do-covid-vaccines-affect-menstruation/
    Bianchi says her team at NIH expedited its grant funding process for this research. “There was an urgency to it, the fact that this was getting so much attention. We were worried this was contributing to vaccine hesitancy in reproductive-age women,” from the article

    So what is of greater concern vaccine hesitancy or women's reproductive health?
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  • JB16057JB16057 Posts: 1,269
    GlowGirl said:
    JB16057 said:
    static111 said:
    I wouldn't if I were them. 
    Yeah I'm sure no one would like the reception they would have from all of the accepting non judgmental people around these parts. 
    I'm feelin' a bit judgey at this point. Seriously, there is zero reason to not get the shot if you are medically able. and the longer they wait, the longer (and potentially deadly for all of us) this becomes. 
    I don't know if I've seen this discussed here or not but how about the women who have taken the vaccine and now have irregular menstrual cycles?

    Ever since taking the shot in April, my wife has has very irregular menstrual cycles. I didn't put it together until recently I've seen news stories about other people having the same issue. Obviously, this isn't worse than getting COVID and dying but why would this be? I don't think this happens with other MRNA shots but why is this happening with this one and what are the long effects of this? No one knows because THIS vaccine hasn't been around long enough. 

    I'm not saying without a doubt this is the reason why it is happening but it is happening and it isn't just 1 or 2 women. If the shot is causing this, it does concern me what the long term effects are. We aren't planning on having any more children but this does worry me because I have 3 daughters that aren't quite of age to get the vaccine yet. Regardless, I am still leaning towards giving them the vaccine but this is something unknown and it does concern me quite a bit.

    I wouldn't blame others for having this same concern. The female body is nothing short of a miracle and we are injecting something that is changing it.
    How old is your wife? That starts to happen at a certain age anyway - mid to late 40s or so.

    Like I said, I can not pin point this as to being the cause but is it just a coincidence that it aligned with her vaccine shot? She is 37 which is getting close to that thresh hold. I'll give you that but she isn't the only one that has seen this happen. She got the first shot in early April which is 6 months ago but this has been an issue ever since taking the vaccine.

  • JB16057 said:

    What is the % of fully vaccinated reporting side effects and how long-lasting or permanently damaging are they?

    As of right now, no one can answer that question with 100% certainty.

    As for the news story from BU, the study won't be finished until Spring of 2022. The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention says there is no evidence but can we fully trust them? https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/09/28/cdc-under-attack/

    If Trump can "ruin" the CDC's credibility then they really weren't that credible to begin with, were they? My point being is that politics are involved and it doesn't matter what side you are on, politics and politicians are corrupt. Some are honest and some tell the truth but there are many that do not.

    More than two-thirds of Congress cashed a pharma campaign check in 2020, new STAT analysis shows


    No one can tell me that these members of Congress hold stock in pharma to help the health of the people. They hold stock for the money involved. Money and politicians can make anything corrupt.

    I've given my experience on what is going on with my wife and I have every right to be concerned about the health of my 3 daughters. No one knows the long term effects of this vaccine. I hear that MRNA vaccines are tried and true but why is this vaccine causing this?

    "There is one potential side effect of Covid-19 vaccines that has been reported consistently, and just as consistently ignored: changes to the menstrual cycles."

    I'm only a male so this coming from me doesn't mean as much but a women wrote this story and she feels like this has been reported consistently and ignored consistently.

    As a father of daughters, this does concern me. Why would the CDC ignore this issue that has been consistently reported?
    the concern is valid if it does something to the reproductive system. female menstrual cycles can be affected by a lot less than this, so at this point, I don't share the same level of concern. but, given the alternative of small possibility of my two girls dying or suffering long term from COVID, I think the choice is clear. 
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  • JB16057JB16057 Posts: 1,269
    static111 said:
    JB16057 said:
    static111 said:
    I wouldn't if I were them. 
    Yeah I'm sure no one would like the reception they would have from all of the accepting non judgmental people around these parts. 
    I'm feelin' a bit judgey at this point. Seriously, there is zero reason to not get the shot if you are medically able. and the longer they wait, the longer (and potentially deadly for all of us) this becomes. 
    I don't know if I've seen this discussed here or not but how about the women who have taken the vaccine and now have irregular menstrual cycles?

    Ever since taking the shot in April, my wife has has very irregular menstrual cycles. I didn't put it together until recently I've seen news stories about other people having the same issue. Obviously, this isn't worse than getting COVID and dying but why would this be? I don't think this happens with other MRNA shots but why is this happening with this one and what are the long effects of this? No one knows because THIS vaccine hasn't been around long enough. 

    I'm not saying without a doubt this is the reason why it is happening but it is happening and it isn't just 1 or 2 women. If the shot is causing this, it does concern me what the long term effects are. We aren't planning on having any more children but this does worry me because I have 3 daughters that aren't quite of age to get the vaccine yet. Regardless, I am still leaning towards giving them the vaccine but this is something unknown and it does concern me quite a bit.

    I wouldn't blame others for having this same concern. The female body is nothing short of a miracle and we are injecting something that is changing it.
    https://www.bu.edu/articles/2021/do-covid-vaccines-affect-menstruation/
    Bianchi says her team at NIH expedited its grant funding process for this research. “There was an urgency to it, the fact that this was getting so much attention. We were worried this was contributing to vaccine hesitancy in reproductive-age women,” from the article

    So what is of greater concern vaccine hesitancy or women's reproductive health?
    My body, my choice, right?

    I personally know 3 men that have died of COVID. I don't personally know any women that have died of COVID. I know plenty that have gotten it and survived.

    Not that my personal experience means anything but I can see how this could concern women.

  • static111static111 Posts: 4,889
    JB16057 said:
    static111 said:
    JB16057 said:
    static111 said:
    I wouldn't if I were them. 
    Yeah I'm sure no one would like the reception they would have from all of the accepting non judgmental people around these parts. 
    I'm feelin' a bit judgey at this point. Seriously, there is zero reason to not get the shot if you are medically able. and the longer they wait, the longer (and potentially deadly for all of us) this becomes. 
    I don't know if I've seen this discussed here or not but how about the women who have taken the vaccine and now have irregular menstrual cycles?

    Ever since taking the shot in April, my wife has has very irregular menstrual cycles. I didn't put it together until recently I've seen news stories about other people having the same issue. Obviously, this isn't worse than getting COVID and dying but why would this be? I don't think this happens with other MRNA shots but why is this happening with this one and what are the long effects of this? No one knows because THIS vaccine hasn't been around long enough. 

    I'm not saying without a doubt this is the reason why it is happening but it is happening and it isn't just 1 or 2 women. If the shot is causing this, it does concern me what the long term effects are. We aren't planning on having any more children but this does worry me because I have 3 daughters that aren't quite of age to get the vaccine yet. Regardless, I am still leaning towards giving them the vaccine but this is something unknown and it does concern me quite a bit.

    I wouldn't blame others for having this same concern. The female body is nothing short of a miracle and we are injecting something that is changing it.
    https://www.bu.edu/articles/2021/do-covid-vaccines-affect-menstruation/
    Bianchi says her team at NIH expedited its grant funding process for this research. “There was an urgency to it, the fact that this was getting so much attention. We were worried this was contributing to vaccine hesitancy in reproductive-age women,” from the article

    So what is of greater concern vaccine hesitancy or women's reproductive health?
    My body, my choice, right?

    I personally know 3 men that have died of COVID. I don't personally know any women that have died of COVID. I know plenty that have gotten it and survived.

    Not that my personal experience means anything but I can see how this could concern women.

    Yes that is my point I think people are being very self righteous when it comes to pointing out the very valid concerns of others around this topic.  People especially women aren't wrong to be concerned about this.
    Scio me nihil scire

    There are no kings inside the gates of eden
  • my body my choice when it comes to a pandemic is not the same as my body my choice that effects literally zero people except the one making the choice. 
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  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,624
    static111 said:
    JB16057 said:
    static111 said:
    JB16057 said:
    static111 said:
    I wouldn't if I were them. 
    Yeah I'm sure no one would like the reception they would have from all of the accepting non judgmental people around these parts. 
    I'm feelin' a bit judgey at this point. Seriously, there is zero reason to not get the shot if you are medically able. and the longer they wait, the longer (and potentially deadly for all of us) this becomes. 
    I don't know if I've seen this discussed here or not but how about the women who have taken the vaccine and now have irregular menstrual cycles?

    Ever since taking the shot in April, my wife has has very irregular menstrual cycles. I didn't put it together until recently I've seen news stories about other people having the same issue. Obviously, this isn't worse than getting COVID and dying but why would this be? I don't think this happens with other MRNA shots but why is this happening with this one and what are the long effects of this? No one knows because THIS vaccine hasn't been around long enough. 

    I'm not saying without a doubt this is the reason why it is happening but it is happening and it isn't just 1 or 2 women. If the shot is causing this, it does concern me what the long term effects are. We aren't planning on having any more children but this does worry me because I have 3 daughters that aren't quite of age to get the vaccine yet. Regardless, I am still leaning towards giving them the vaccine but this is something unknown and it does concern me quite a bit.

    I wouldn't blame others for having this same concern. The female body is nothing short of a miracle and we are injecting something that is changing it.
    https://www.bu.edu/articles/2021/do-covid-vaccines-affect-menstruation/
    Bianchi says her team at NIH expedited its grant funding process for this research. “There was an urgency to it, the fact that this was getting so much attention. We were worried this was contributing to vaccine hesitancy in reproductive-age women,” from the article

    So what is of greater concern vaccine hesitancy or women's reproductive health?
    My body, my choice, right?

    I personally know 3 men that have died of COVID. I don't personally know any women that have died of COVID. I know plenty that have gotten it and survived.

    Not that my personal experience means anything but I can see how this could concern women.

    Yes that is my point I think people are being very self righteous when it comes to pointing out the very valid concerns of others around this topic.  People especially women aren't wrong to be concerned about this.

    Its fair to be concerned. But does that give us the right to spread respiratory droplets? Its fair to not want the vaccine, but those who make that choice should be willing to make sacrifices to offset the risk they bring into the public domain.

    Its fair that people are making a risk assessment and within certain demographics people are categorizing covid risk as low. But this virus will spread until it finds a high risk target. Covid changed the modern world. Plenty of us have shown we care little about the risk we give to others.

    Let's say the technology existed to trace an infection to its source, and our govt had the ability to charge spreaders who engaged in risky behavior, such as interacting in public while unvaccinated, for healthcare costs of all downstream infections.  Would those opposing the vaccines be as cavalier under that scenario?
  • static111static111 Posts: 4,889
    static111 said:
    JB16057 said:
    static111 said:
    JB16057 said:
    static111 said:
    I wouldn't if I were them. 
    Yeah I'm sure no one would like the reception they would have from all of the accepting non judgmental people around these parts. 
    I'm feelin' a bit judgey at this point. Seriously, there is zero reason to not get the shot if you are medically able. and the longer they wait, the longer (and potentially deadly for all of us) this becomes. 
    I don't know if I've seen this discussed here or not but how about the women who have taken the vaccine and now have irregular menstrual cycles?

    Ever since taking the shot in April, my wife has has very irregular menstrual cycles. I didn't put it together until recently I've seen news stories about other people having the same issue. Obviously, this isn't worse than getting COVID and dying but why would this be? I don't think this happens with other MRNA shots but why is this happening with this one and what are the long effects of this? No one knows because THIS vaccine hasn't been around long enough. 

    I'm not saying without a doubt this is the reason why it is happening but it is happening and it isn't just 1 or 2 women. If the shot is causing this, it does concern me what the long term effects are. We aren't planning on having any more children but this does worry me because I have 3 daughters that aren't quite of age to get the vaccine yet. Regardless, I am still leaning towards giving them the vaccine but this is something unknown and it does concern me quite a bit.

    I wouldn't blame others for having this same concern. The female body is nothing short of a miracle and we are injecting something that is changing it.
    https://www.bu.edu/articles/2021/do-covid-vaccines-affect-menstruation/
    Bianchi says her team at NIH expedited its grant funding process for this research. “There was an urgency to it, the fact that this was getting so much attention. We were worried this was contributing to vaccine hesitancy in reproductive-age women,” from the article

    So what is of greater concern vaccine hesitancy or women's reproductive health?
    My body, my choice, right?

    I personally know 3 men that have died of COVID. I don't personally know any women that have died of COVID. I know plenty that have gotten it and survived.

    Not that my personal experience means anything but I can see how this could concern women.

    Yes that is my point I think people are being very self righteous when it comes to pointing out the very valid concerns of others around this topic.  People especially women aren't wrong to be concerned about this.

    Its fair to be concerned. But does that give us the right to spread respiratory droplets? Its fair to not want the vaccine, but those who make that choice should be willing to make sacrifices to offset the risk they bring into the public domain.

    Its fair that people are making a risk assessment and within certain demographics people are categorizing covid risk as low. But this virus will spread until it finds a high risk target. Covid changed the modern world. Plenty of us have shown we care little about the risk we give to others.

    Let's say the technology existed to trace an infection to its source, and our govt had the ability to charge spreaders who engaged in risky behavior, such as interacting in public while unvaccinated, for healthcare costs of all downstream infections.  Would those opposing the vaccines be as cavalier under that scenario?
    If they get off as lightly as tobacco and oil companies for the health damages they have done I don't see why not.  Of course that kind of tracing would be a very special kind of invasion of privacy so it is something we hopefully will never have to worry about.
    Scio me nihil scire

    There are no kings inside the gates of eden
  • static111 said:
    static111 said:
    JB16057 said:
    static111 said:
    JB16057 said:
    static111 said:
    I wouldn't if I were them. 
    Yeah I'm sure no one would like the reception they would have from all of the accepting non judgmental people around these parts. 
    I'm feelin' a bit judgey at this point. Seriously, there is zero reason to not get the shot if you are medically able. and the longer they wait, the longer (and potentially deadly for all of us) this becomes. 
    I don't know if I've seen this discussed here or not but how about the women who have taken the vaccine and now have irregular menstrual cycles?

    Ever since taking the shot in April, my wife has has very irregular menstrual cycles. I didn't put it together until recently I've seen news stories about other people having the same issue. Obviously, this isn't worse than getting COVID and dying but why would this be? I don't think this happens with other MRNA shots but why is this happening with this one and what are the long effects of this? No one knows because THIS vaccine hasn't been around long enough. 

    I'm not saying without a doubt this is the reason why it is happening but it is happening and it isn't just 1 or 2 women. If the shot is causing this, it does concern me what the long term effects are. We aren't planning on having any more children but this does worry me because I have 3 daughters that aren't quite of age to get the vaccine yet. Regardless, I am still leaning towards giving them the vaccine but this is something unknown and it does concern me quite a bit.

    I wouldn't blame others for having this same concern. The female body is nothing short of a miracle and we are injecting something that is changing it.
    https://www.bu.edu/articles/2021/do-covid-vaccines-affect-menstruation/
    Bianchi says her team at NIH expedited its grant funding process for this research. “There was an urgency to it, the fact that this was getting so much attention. We were worried this was contributing to vaccine hesitancy in reproductive-age women,” from the article

    So what is of greater concern vaccine hesitancy or women's reproductive health?
    My body, my choice, right?

    I personally know 3 men that have died of COVID. I don't personally know any women that have died of COVID. I know plenty that have gotten it and survived.

    Not that my personal experience means anything but I can see how this could concern women.

    Yes that is my point I think people are being very self righteous when it comes to pointing out the very valid concerns of others around this topic.  People especially women aren't wrong to be concerned about this.

    Its fair to be concerned. But does that give us the right to spread respiratory droplets? Its fair to not want the vaccine, but those who make that choice should be willing to make sacrifices to offset the risk they bring into the public domain.

    Its fair that people are making a risk assessment and within certain demographics people are categorizing covid risk as low. But this virus will spread until it finds a high risk target. Covid changed the modern world. Plenty of us have shown we care little about the risk we give to others.

    Let's say the technology existed to trace an infection to its source, and our govt had the ability to charge spreaders who engaged in risky behavior, such as interacting in public while unvaccinated, for healthcare costs of all downstream infections.  Would those opposing the vaccines be as cavalier under that scenario?
    If they get off as lightly as tobacco and oil companies for the health damages they have done I don't see why not.  Of course that kind of tracing would be a very special kind of invasion of privacy so it is something we hopefully will never have to worry about.
    it's a hypothetical to prove social responsibility and moral accountability. yes, or no. 

    same as asking someone if they'd steal a million dollars if they knew they could get away with it. coming back with "well (this guy did it) and got off, so yeah" is irrelevant to the question posed. 
    new album "Cigarettes" out Spring 2025!

    www.headstonesband.com




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