Relating to the discussion on stores not selling limited items as retail, but putting the items out to bid, I know someone who works for a skate shop. That person said that when they get the limited shoes in, they always hold some pairs back to sell at the market value. The account isn't under the shop's name, so they don't worry about getting tracked down, especially when they have multiple accounts.
Why don't artists just charge a higher price for their APs if they know it's going to be in hot demand? I think everyone would rather the money go to the artist than people trying to make a quick buck off of someone else's work.
As for artists selling right to third parties/posting on auction sites, this definitely happens.
That part baffles me as well. It must be some sort of contractual thing with PJ but that doesn't even make sense because PJ really isn't benefiting from keeping artist sales low.
Why doesn't the artist just sell as many signed APs as ordered? We benefit, artist benefits, PJ benefits, etc.
Baffling I say
Meh, that would destroy a lot of the value, which let's face it, is important when we are talking about art.
I just think they need to raise the sales price.
I would have dropped $500 on this skateboard today, and directly where the artist would get the profit.
If these guys AREN'T leaking a few, it's gonna be infuriating to see your art, that you charged $100 for, selling for many many multiples that amount on eBay.
Again, I'm not even against it. If it was me, I would absolutely do it myself.
You realize you can print and make this same skateboard for far less correct? Not condoning it but you can.
9/1-9/2/2000 - Tweeter Center, Camden, NJ 4/28/2003 - The Spectrum, Phila, PA 5/3/2003 - Bryce Jordan Center, State College, PA 7/5-7/6/2003 - Tweeter Center, Camden, NJ 7/13/2003 - Hershey Park, Hershey, PA 10/1/2004 - Sovereign Center, Reading, PA 9/1/2005 - Gorge, George, WA 10/03/2005 - Wachovia Center, Phila, PA 5/27-5/28/2006 - Tweeter Center, Camden, NJ 6/16/2008 - Columbia, SC 6/19-6/20/2008 - Tweeter Center, Camden, NJ 6/24-6/25 - Madison Square Garden 10/28-10/31/2008 - The Spectrum, Phila, PA 9/22/2012 - MidTown, Atlanta, GA 10/21-10/22 - Wells Fargo Center, Phila, PA 10/30/2013 - Charlotte, NC 04/21/2016 - Columbia, SC ......
Why don't artists just charge a higher price for their APs if they know it's going to be in hot demand? I think everyone would rather the money go to the artist than people trying to make a quick buck off of someone else's work.
As for artists selling right to third parties/posting on auction sites, this definitely happens.
That part baffles me as well. It must be some sort of contractual thing with PJ but that doesn't even make sense because PJ really isn't benefiting from keeping artist sales low.
Why doesn't the artist just sell as many signed APs as ordered? We benefit, artist benefits, PJ benefits, etc.
Baffling I say
Meh, that would destroy a lot of the value, which let's face it, is important when we are talking about art.
I just think they need to raise the sales price.
I would have dropped $500 on this skateboard today, and directly where the artist would get the profit.
If these guys AREN'T leaking a few, it's gonna be infuriating to see your art, that you charged $100 for, selling for many many multiples that amount on eBay.
Again, I'm not even against it. If it was me, I would absolutely do it myself.
You realize you can print and make this same skateboard for far less correct? Not condoning it but you can.
I can also watch the same NBA clip as is on an Top Shot NFT, but that doesn't mean they are the same thing.
'I know I was born and I know that I'll die, the in between is mine.'
Why don't artists just charge a higher price for their APs if they know it's going to be in hot demand? I think everyone would rather the money go to the artist than people trying to make a quick buck off of someone else's work.
As for artists selling right to third parties/posting on auction sites, this definitely happens.
That part baffles me as well. It must be some sort of contractual thing with PJ but that doesn't even make sense because PJ really isn't benefiting from keeping artist sales low.
Why doesn't the artist just sell as many signed APs as ordered? We benefit, artist benefits, PJ benefits, etc.
Baffling I say
Meh, that would destroy a lot of the value, which let's face it, is important when we are talking about art.
I just think they need to raise the sales price.
I would have dropped $500 on this skateboard today, and directly where the artist would get the profit.
If these guys AREN'T leaking a few, it's gonna be infuriating to see your art, that you charged $100 for, selling for many many multiples that amount on eBay.
Again, I'm not even against it. If it was me, I would absolutely do it myself.
You are right about larger editions killing the value but the same would be true of jacking up the price. The demand would plummet at $500. Insane demand creates buzz for the next drop.
STRONGLY disagree.
There would be exactly the same demand at $500 as there was at $100.
Certainly for something there was only 25 of that so many people wanted.
$500 is still probably like 1/3 of what the secondary market price is.
Again, the sparkle print of the OE poster sold on ebay for $750, and this skateboard is far more desirable.
'I know I was born and I know that I'll die, the in between is mine.'
Why don't artists just charge a higher price for their APs if they know it's going to be in hot demand? I think everyone would rather the money go to the artist than people trying to make a quick buck off of someone else's work.
As for artists selling right to third parties/posting on auction sites, this definitely happens.
That part baffles me as well. It must be some sort of contractual thing with PJ but that doesn't even make sense because PJ really isn't benefiting from keeping artist sales low.
Why doesn't the artist just sell as many signed APs as ordered? We benefit, artist benefits, PJ benefits, etc.
Baffling I say
Meh, that would destroy a lot of the value, which let's face it, is important when we are talking about art.
I just think they need to raise the sales price.
I would have dropped $500 on this skateboard today, and directly where the artist would get the profit.
If these guys AREN'T leaking a few, it's gonna be infuriating to see your art, that you charged $100 for, selling for many many multiples that amount on eBay.
Again, I'm not even against it. If it was me, I would absolutely do it myself.
You are right about larger editions killing the value but the same would be true of jacking up the price. The demand would plummet at $500. Insane demand creates buzz for the next drop.
STRONGLY disagree.
There would be exactly the same demand at $500 as there was at $100.
Certainly for something there was only 25 of that so many people wanted.
$500 is still probably like 1/3 of what the secondary market price is.
Again, the sparkle print of the OE poster sold on ebay for $750, and this skateboard is far more desirable.
How many people are willing to pay $750 for the sparkle foil? About two, hence the auction not ending higher. If the retail was $750, it would still be on Ames site. I'm not sure what the max price point would be for these to be an instant sellout but eventually you get to a point that only the top bidder would pay on the market and the vast majority will pass and say it's a disgusting cash grab which alienates most fans.
Why don't artists just charge a higher price for their APs if they know it's going to be in hot demand? I think everyone would rather the money go to the artist than people trying to make a quick buck off of someone else's work.
As for artists selling right to third parties/posting on auction sites, this definitely happens.
That part baffles me as well. It must be some sort of contractual thing with PJ but that doesn't even make sense because PJ really isn't benefiting from keeping artist sales low.
Why doesn't the artist just sell as many signed APs as ordered? We benefit, artist benefits, PJ benefits, etc.
Baffling I say
Meh, that would destroy a lot of the value, which let's face it, is important when we are talking about art.
I just think they need to raise the sales price.
I would have dropped $500 on this skateboard today, and directly where the artist would get the profit.
If these guys AREN'T leaking a few, it's gonna be infuriating to see your art, that you charged $100 for, selling for many many multiples that amount on eBay.
Again, I'm not even against it. If it was me, I would absolutely do it myself.
You are right about larger editions killing the value but the same would be true of jacking up the price. The demand would plummet at $500. Insane demand creates buzz for the next drop.
STRONGLY disagree.
There would be exactly the same demand at $500 as there was at $100.
Certainly for something there was only 25 of that so many people wanted.
$500 is still probably like 1/3 of what the secondary market price is.
Again, the sparkle print of the OE poster sold on ebay for $750, and this skateboard is far more desirable.
How many people are willing to pay $750 for the sparkle foil? About two, hence the auction not ending higher. If the retail was $750, it would still be on Ames site. I'm not sure what the max price point would be for these to be an instant sellout but eventually you get to a point that only the top bidder would pay on the market and the vast majority will pass and say it's a disgusting cash grab which alienates most fans.
I believe they call this 'capitalism'.
'I know I was born and I know that I'll die, the in between is mine.'
Why don't artists just charge a higher price for their APs if they know it's going to be in hot demand? I think everyone would rather the money go to the artist than people trying to make a quick buck off of someone else's work.
As for artists selling right to third parties/posting on auction sites, this definitely happens.
That part baffles me as well. It must be some sort of contractual thing with PJ but that doesn't even make sense because PJ really isn't benefiting from keeping artist sales low.
Why doesn't the artist just sell as many signed APs as ordered? We benefit, artist benefits, PJ benefits, etc.
Baffling I say
Meh, that would destroy a lot of the value, which let's face it, is important when we are talking about art.
I just think they need to raise the sales price.
I would have dropped $500 on this skateboard today, and directly where the artist would get the profit.
If these guys AREN'T leaking a few, it's gonna be infuriating to see your art, that you charged $100 for, selling for many many multiples that amount on eBay.
Again, I'm not even against it. If it was me, I would absolutely do it myself.
You are right about larger editions killing the value but the same would be true of jacking up the price. The demand would plummet at $500. Insane demand creates buzz for the next drop.
STRONGLY disagree.
There would be exactly the same demand at $500 as there was at $100.
Certainly for something there was only 25 of that so many people wanted.
$500 is still probably like 1/3 of what the secondary market price is.
Again, the sparkle print of the OE poster sold on ebay for $750, and this skateboard is far more desirable.
How many people are willing to pay $750 for the sparkle foil? About two, hence the auction not ending higher. If the retail was $750, it would still be on Ames site. I'm not sure what the max price point would be for these to be an instant sellout but eventually you get to a point that only the top bidder would pay on the market and the vast majority will pass and say it's a disgusting cash grab which alienates most fans.
Who knew Adam Smith and the principles of and supply and demand would make an appearance in a conversation about concert merch. As Paul Rudd would say, "look at us!"
side note, sorry if this has been discussed, but has there been any word on a drop for Williams' Encore poster? I saw the decks, but wasn't sure if the posters were part of that.
Who knew Adam Smith and the principles of and supply and demand would make an appearance in a conversation about concert merch. As Paul Rudd would say, "look at us!"
side note, sorry if this has been discussed, but has there been any word on a drop for Williams' Encore poster? I saw the decks, but wasn't sure if the posters were part of that.
It is supposed to be tomorrow at the same time 9:00 AM Pacific.
Why don't artists just charge a higher price for their APs if they know it's going to be in hot demand? I think everyone would rather the money go to the artist than people trying to make a quick buck off of someone else's work.
As for artists selling right to third parties/posting on auction sites, this definitely happens.
That part baffles me as well. It must be some sort of contractual thing with PJ but that doesn't even make sense because PJ really isn't benefiting from keeping artist sales low.
Why doesn't the artist just sell as many signed APs as ordered? We benefit, artist benefits, PJ benefits, etc.
Baffling I say
Meh, that would destroy a lot of the value, which let's face it, is important when we are talking about art.
I just think they need to raise the sales price.
I would have dropped $500 on this skateboard today, and directly where the artist would get the profit.
If these guys AREN'T leaking a few, it's gonna be infuriating to see your art, that you charged $100 for, selling for many many multiples that amount on eBay.
Again, I'm not even against it. If it was me, I would absolutely do it myself.
You are right about larger editions killing the value but the same would be true of jacking up the price. The demand would plummet at $500. Insane demand creates buzz for the next drop.
STRONGLY disagree.
There would be exactly the same demand at $500 as there was at $100.
Certainly for something there was only 25 of that so many people wanted.
$500 is still probably like 1/3 of what the secondary market price is.
Again, the sparkle print of the OE poster sold on ebay for $750, and this skateboard is far more desirable.
How many people are willing to pay $750 for the sparkle foil? About two, hence the auction not ending higher. If the retail was $750, it would still be on Ames site. I'm not sure what the max price point would be for these to be an instant sellout but eventually you get to a point that only the top bidder would pay on the market and the vast majority will pass and say it's a disgusting cash grab which alienates most fans.
I believe they call this 'capitalism'.
Non sequitur
Option A. The artists raise their drop prices to an amount that closer reflects the actual value therefore receiving a lot of the value that they themselves created.
Option B. Continue to sell these limited prints for pennies on the dollar to the 1st people/bots that can bag them, only to watch a certain % of them be resold for multiples of the original cost by these people, where the artist gets none of it.
I'll take Option A as the better model.
'I know I was born and I know that I'll die, the in between is mine.'
10 club newsletter said to keep an eye on the shop this week.
They never announce poster drops via email.
Santos sometimes posts drops on facebook, but you just have to be looking here or the merch page, or I guess have a site monitor going.
This.
I never get the rare drops of PJ merch since I usually find out too late. But when the 10c newsletter said to keep an eye out this week, I just threw up the PJ store on my extra monitor and hit refresh every half hour or so while working. I got lucky and scored one and then posted the link here asap.
10 club newsletter said to keep an eye on the shop this week.
They never announce poster drops via email.
Santos sometimes posts drops on facebook, but you just have to be looking here or the merch page, or I guess have a site monitor going.
This.
I never get the rare drops of PJ merch since I usually find out too late. But when the 10c newsletter said to keep an eye out this week, I just threw up the PJ store on my extra monitor and hit refresh every half hour or so while working. I got lucky and scored one and then posted the link here asap.
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You realize you can print and make this same skateboard for far less correct? Not condoning it but you can.
4/28/2003 - The Spectrum, Phila, PA
5/3/2003 - Bryce Jordan Center, State College, PA
7/5-7/6/2003 - Tweeter Center, Camden, NJ
7/13/2003 - Hershey Park, Hershey, PA
10/1/2004 - Sovereign Center, Reading, PA
9/1/2005 - Gorge, George, WA
10/03/2005 - Wachovia Center, Phila, PA
5/27-5/28/2006 - Tweeter Center, Camden, NJ
6/16/2008 - Columbia, SC
6/19-6/20/2008 - Tweeter Center, Camden, NJ
6/24-6/25 - Madison Square Garden
10/28-10/31/2008 - The Spectrum, Phila, PA
9/22/2012 - MidTown, Atlanta, GA
10/21-10/22 - Wells Fargo Center, Phila, PA
10/30/2013 - Charlotte, NC
04/21/2016 - Columbia, SC
......
I know we can't post links but here's the description of the Ohana poster just listed for sale somewhere. EL-OHHHHHH-EL!!! :0)
"Ohana Encore Festival Day 2 poster October 2 2021 Pearl Jam Ames Bros 10c
This is a confirmed order from Ten Club. Print will be shipped once received."
Sick 'em Santos!!!
I can also watch the same NBA clip as is on an Top Shot NFT, but that doesn't mean they are the same thing.
STRONGLY disagree.
There would be exactly the same demand at $500 as there was at $100.
Certainly for something there was only 25 of that so many people wanted.
$500 is still probably like 1/3 of what the secondary market price is.
Again, the sparkle print of the OE poster sold on ebay for $750, and this skateboard is far more desirable.
I believe they call this 'capitalism'.
side note, sorry if this has been discussed, but has there been any word on a drop for Williams' Encore poster? I saw the decks, but wasn't sure if the posters were part of that.
Anyone willing to trade a N2 Ames for a N1 Meggs?
Option A. The artists raise their drop prices to an amount that closer reflects the actual value therefore receiving a lot of the value that they themselves created.
Option B. Continue to sell these limited prints for pennies on the dollar to the 1st people/bots that can bag them, only to watch a certain % of them be resold for multiples of the original cost by these people, where the artist gets none of it.
I'll take Option A as the better model.
They never announce poster drops via email.
Santos sometimes posts drops on facebook, but you just have to be looking here or the merch page, or I guess have a site monitor going.
Wrigley 2016 Night 1
Wrigley 2016 Night 2
MSG 2020
OKC 2020
These drops are never announced.
Just a Pssst
Congratulations, nonetheless.
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana