Ohana Encore Weekend

Melzombie

DEGBTI said:

lockdown? I don't think its even possible. With half the population vaccinated and all those the already had it, we will be close if not completely in herd immunity by fall is what doctors are saying. We were in lockdown before because ther was no vaccine. We have it now and available to all. This means zero chance of lockdown. Do you really think the vaxed part of the country is really going to listen anyway? Not a chance.

I'm thinking like you, but I hope we are right. It looks like mask mandates are coming back, but a lockdown would be devastating especially for the economy. I thought I was going to get laid off at the beginning of the pandemic. Most of my companies money comes from restaurant/bar + event/concert advertising and no one had any $$ to spend because everything got shut down. I do a little bit of accounts receivable and had access to the books and looking at the numbers it was a very scary time. 
My plane ticket is refundable, but 
I will be going out to California regardless if there are no events. I need a damn vacation and I don't care about wearing a mask indoors, if it means places not shutting down. 

I just need to get off social media and reading all the news outlets.. It's only making my anxiety worse. 

Melzombie

It looks like Bright Eyes just canceled 3 of their indoor shows that were supposed to be next week, but the outdoors are still on

"Due to the complications of managing a large touring party during a pandemic, Bright Eyes have made the difficult decision to postpone a handful of their indoor Summer 2021 shows. Over the past few weeks the band have joined the rest of the world in having to recalibrate and reassess their safety measures on an almost daily basis as new information is reported. The well being of the musicians, crew, friends and family on the road are of the utmost importance to them. Conor, Mike and Nate are aware that decisions they make for their traveling workplace have widespread repercussions for all immunocompromised family members within their touring party's orbit and have therefore made the personal decision to postpone four shows during this time of unprecedented uncertainty. Bright Eyes will always prioritize the health and safety concerns of their touring team and are committed to providing a working environment everyone is comfortable with.

The affected dates are: New York City Terminal 5 on August 1st, Atlanta, Georgia The Eastern on August 6th & 7th and Birmingham, Alabama Sloss Furnaces on August 8th. Refunds at the point of purchase. Dates will be rescheduled as part of Bright Eyes 2022 touring, TBD. All other scheduled dates remain unchanged"

Go Animal

If it means anything to anyone, I had a panic attack & small heart attack early this year, and covid worries were the catalyst. I've got Moderna running through my veins now, but I still mask up & wash my hands. We all should.

I was on the fence about SHN & Ohana, but to get my nerve up, I went to DMB in Tampa the other night... and I was okay

Yes, it's Florida. Yes, it was hot. Yes, only 5% of us had masks on, but I found out what works for me: stay in motion. Don't just stay in one spot for too long. Wear your mask, and just be mindful & aware.

Noteworthy: it was a big amphitheater, so there was plenty of room to get around. But I'm still not "there" as a far as seats, or indoor venues are concerned. I may be vaxxed, but we should all still do our part. Ultimately, I got over a BIG hurdle just by being there.

Lastly, I'm just a casual DMB fan, but people were CRYING. When they busted into Grey Street, the place EXPLODED (MSG peeps, think Corduroy, or Why Go - shook the place). By the 3rd verse, the place was in full sing-a-along mode. It was euphoric.

I look forward to having the same feeling w/Small Town at SHN & Ohana \m/,

Ryan

I wish these big events would just follow what Lollapalooza is doing and make proof of vaccine/negative test within 24 hours mandatory to attend.  Probably a hassle for bands or sports teams to monitor, but if we want large scale events this seems like the only safe way to do it right now with such a large percentage of people not getting vaccinated.

given2fly23

I was at an outdoor amphitheater show last night (Foo) and wore a mask the whole time (yes, I'm fully vaxxed).  It was uncomfortable to be in the middle of 30k people.  Tonight, I'm going to a Lolla aftershow which is indoors and no mask requirement as far as I have seen.  I've had tickets for this one for a year and a half and am VERY nervous, but I can't bring myself to skip it.

1ThoughtKnown

The Calgary Stampede occurred this summer here in Calgary. While there were few (if any) foreign visitors like we usually have for the “Greatest Show on Earth” (that I never attend) there was plenty of visitors from across Canada. Witnessed plenty of out-of-province licence plates.

The 10 day event included a rodeo, plenty of live music (indoors and outdoors) and of course the midway and “Nashville North”, the large tent with music and dancing and a bevy of young and drunk urban cowboys and cowgirls. 

There were 71 confirmed cases traced back to the Stampede. It was not a super-spreader event. Canada was at about 75% first vaccination rate and 60% fully vaccinated rate at that time, including all of those who have used AZ which for some reason the US may not recognize as vaccinated.

If you are fully vaccinated you are approx. 90% protected. If you do get COVID while vaccinated, you may feel ill but will not be hospitalized. 

Therefore as a completely vaccinated person, I have no reservations of going anywhere to see anything, and that is why I’m heading to Dana Point for Ohana this fall. 

Edited due to spelling/grammatical errors

1ThoughtKnown

A link to confirm my previous post:
https://www.google.ca/amp/s/beta.ctvnews.ca/local/calgary/2021/7/27/1_5525751.html

gotthebottle

California will NOT lockdown but we will surely have mask mandates back again. In a close packed crowd, like Lolla, there WILL be tons of positive tests. The vaxxed who are infected will take the covid variant with them and spread it around. I think masks are not unreasonable and it's better than canceling events. 

1ThoughtKnown

gotthebottle said:

California will NOT lockdown but we will surely have mask mandates back again. In a close packed crowd, like Lolla, there WILL be tons of positive tests. The vaxxed who are infected will take the covid variant with them and spread it around. I think masks are not unreasonable and it's better than canceling events. 

583,000 attendees at the Stampede over 10 days. 71 cases…. No masks.

Melzombie

gotthebottle said:

California will NOT lockdown but we will surely have mask mandates back again. In a close packed crowd, like Lolla, there WILL be tons of positive tests. The vaxxed who are infected will take the covid variant with them and spread it around. I think masks are not unreasonable and it's better than canceling events. 

I'm not an anti-masker, but good look to the fest crew enforcing masks outside, if it ends up like that. What a complete nightmare. Can you imagine someone going through the huge crowd, "excuse me sir, you need to cover your mouth and nose." I work part time at a grocery store (so I can afford to follow PJ) and it was a literal nightmare, a NIGHTMARE enforcing masks at my store. We had employees get threatened and spit on. I can't imagine them enforcing at Ohana. Maybe inside? but not at the stages. 

anyone else think they will require tests/cards like Lolla?? It doesn't matter to me because I'm fully vaccinated. 

DEGBTI

Fauci today says no lockdowns, that puts that idea to bed!

1ThoughtKnown

Melzombie said:

gotthebottle said:

California will NOT lockdown but we will surely have mask mandates back again. In a close packed crowd, like Lolla, there WILL be tons of positive tests. The vaxxed who are infected will take the covid variant with them and spread it around. I think masks are not unreasonable and it's better than canceling events. 

I'm not an anti-masker, but good look to the fest crew enforcing masks outside, if it ends up like that. What a complete nightmare. Can you imagine someone going through the huge crowd, "excuse me sir, you need to cover your mouth and nose." I work part time at a grocery store (so I can afford to follow PJ) and it was a literal nightmare, a NIGHTMARE enforcing masks at my store. We had employees get threatened and spit on. I can't imagine them enforcing at Ohana. Maybe inside? but not at the stages. 

anyone else think they will require tests/cards like Lolla?? It doesn't matter to me because I'm fully vaccinated. 

No. Jeff Ament said in a recent interview they are not into playing if they have to check for vaccinations. Therefore, one would have to imagine they are not into having staff police attendees for mask wearing.  Outdoor spread of the virus is remote anyway. 

Fact:The risk of contracting the virus occurs when you are within 2 meters of a person indoors for 15 minutes or more. That 15 minutes is cumulative. 

There is some dispute regarding the CDC claim that 10% of transmission occur outdoors. Natural ventilation of being outdoors would significantly impede the ability of the virus to spread even if you were in a large crowd: 

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/beta.ctvnews.ca/local/toronto/2021/5/12/1_5425049.html

With approximately 60% of the crowd vaccinated (I believe the US vaccination rate is lower than that, real head scratcher to me) the risk is even lower. 

Ultimately, I have to ask:

How long should I be impeded from doing the things I enjoy because Alt-right lunatics don’t want to get vaccinated? To be clear, Alberta is as right wing as Canada can get and there are a fair share of alt-right wingnuts here.  We have zero restrictions and while infections are rising, hospitalizations are down. Lockdowns were to help the hospitals get through this…. We are through it.  Time to rock! 

Melzombie

well, from my understanding the new CDC announcement says "vaccinated people are reccomended to still wear a mask INDOORS." 
They don't mention outdoors. Hopefully it stays that way. If PJ was playing a smaller indoor venue, I would be more worried. I hope I'm right. I guess I'm being more pessimistic to prepare myself mentally for any disapointment. 

tschav

Just plan ahead for the following scenarios:

- pack your vaccination card or research facilities for rapid testing results if you aren’t vaccinated
- bring a mask in the event you’d have to wear it while at or around the fest grounds
- know your refund status for flights/hotel if things go south as worst case scenario of a postponed/cancelled show happens

Apart from that, there’s little else under anyone’s control from now until they take the stage. 

aidt17

Best international airport to fly into?  Or closest?

Gern Blansten

1ThoughtKnown said:

Melzombie said:

gotthebottle said:

California will NOT lockdown but we will surely have mask mandates back again. In a close packed crowd, like Lolla, there WILL be tons of positive tests. The vaxxed who are infected will take the covid variant with them and spread it around. I think masks are not unreasonable and it's better than canceling events. 

I'm not an anti-masker, but good look to the fest crew enforcing masks outside, if it ends up like that. What a complete nightmare. Can you imagine someone going through the huge crowd, "excuse me sir, you need to cover your mouth and nose." I work part time at a grocery store (so I can afford to follow PJ) and it was a literal nightmare, a NIGHTMARE enforcing masks at my store. We had employees get threatened and spit on. I can't imagine them enforcing at Ohana. Maybe inside? but not at the stages. 

anyone else think they will require tests/cards like Lolla?? It doesn't matter to me because I'm fully vaccinated. 

No. Jeff Ament said in a recent interview they are not into playing if they have to check for vaccinations. Therefore, one would have to imagine they are not into having staff police attendees for mask wearing.  Outdoor spread of the virus is remote anyway. 

Fact:The risk of contracting the virus occurs when you are within 2 meters of a person indoors for 15 minutes or more. That 15 minutes is cumulative. 

There is some dispute regarding the CDC claim that 10% of transmission occur outdoors. Natural ventilation of being outdoors would significantly impede the ability of the virus to spread even if you were in a large crowd: 

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/beta.ctvnews.ca/local/toronto/2021/5/12/1_5425049.html

With approximately 60% of the crowd vaccinated (I believe the US vaccination rate is lower than that, real head scratcher to me) the risk is even lower. 

Ultimately, I have to ask:

How long should I be impeded from doing the things I enjoy because Alt-right lunatics don’t want to get vaccinated? To be clear, Alberta is as right wing as Canada can get and there are a fair share of alt-right wingnuts here.  We have zero restrictions and while infections are rising, hospitalizations are down. Lockdowns were to help the hospitals get through this…. We are through it.  Time to rock! 

I keep seeing this "if you are scared of getting COVID just wear a mask" narrative from the right. They equate mask wearing with fear...yet they are "scared" to get a fucking shot?  I can't get over the idiocy of these people.

PJNB

aidt17 said:

Best international airport to fly into?  Or closest?

Someone closer maybe better off answering for you but flying in from Toronto on the 24th I found LAX the best for price and time of arrival compared to San Diego.  I need to fly to Toronto from my hometown so I do miss an earlier SD flight that might work for you. What date are you flying in?

aliciav

aidt17 said:

Best international airport to fly into?  Or closest?

By driving distance to Dana Point:

International airports near Dana Point, CA

• 25 miles: Santa Ana, CA (SNA / KSNA) John Wayne Airport
• 61 miles: Ontario, CA (ONT / KONT) LA/Ontario International Airport
• 64 miles: Los Angeles, CA (LAX / KLAX) Los Angeles International Airport
• 65 miles: San Diego, CA (SAN / KSAN) San Diego International Airport

Melzombie

I'm flying into John Wayne and leaving out of LAX because I'm going to explore Los Angeles as well on this trip. 

FirstExit

To those of you still figuring out your travel plans, SNA is by far the best airport to fly into. The traffic situation alone makes it worth any extra costs, but lately getting a rental car from LAX has been a total clusterfuck and extremely expensive. Although you might find the cheapest flight at LAX if you're renting/driving down your total cost of the trip might be more expensive...and definitely more stressful and time consuming.