2022 North American rumour thread take 2

mpedone

camhendy said:

Weston1283 said:

One thought I’ve had regarding this tour….

Will this be the year where the setlist variability starts to decrease?  I don’t think they’ll do 30+ song nights regularly anymore.  The sets are all going to be Gigaton heavy.  Between that, the 5-7 hits they play every night, plus the inevitable covers and Earthling songs that’ll find their way onto the setlist, how much variety can we expect?

I was thinking about this too. Especially seeing how static these Earthling shows have been (including Dirty Frank). Plus the SHN and Ohana sets weren't remarkably different, granted festival sets. With that said - Ed was talking about PJ's setlists on Smartless and he seems very aware that a number of people catch half a dozen+ shows on tour because of the variety of experience. I would expect sets to be Gigaton heavy but still quite unique and yes probably fewer 30+ marathons

I feel like they've never been all about the new album at shows (though, granted, the last time I saw them immediately after an album release was in 2006). I feel like over the course of 4 or 5 shows, you might hear most of the newest album, but with few repeats. I could be entirely wrong.

rey

DM282158 said:

I think it’s actually a positive (no pun intended) that Josh contracted Covid and they still played. Carried on with the tour. 

I'm kind of shocked that a band member testing positive didn't shut the whole thing down.  That's encouraging but as discussed previously, will PJ play on if this type of situation arises when they finally play their shows?  I'd be pretty disappointed to go to a PJ show and see them play without Mike (or Stone, or Jeff).

rey

camhendy said:

Weston1283 said:

One thought I’ve had regarding this tour….

Will this be the year where the setlist variability starts to decrease?  I don’t think they’ll do 30+ song nights regularly anymore.  The sets are all going to be Gigaton heavy.  Between that, the 5-7 hits they play every night, plus the inevitable covers and Earthling songs that’ll find their way onto the setlist, how much variety can we expect?

I was thinking about this too. Especially seeing how static these Earthling shows have been (including Dirty Frank). Plus the SHN and Ohana sets weren't remarkably different, granted festival sets. With that said - Ed was talking about PJ's setlists on Smartless and he seems very aware that a number of people catch half a dozen+ shows on tour because of the variety of experience. I would expect sets to be Gigaton heavy but still quite unique and yes probably fewer 30+ marathons

I seriously doubt that there will be any Earthling songs on the PJ setlists.  Maybe in a few years, but not now.

Weston1283

rey said:

DM282158 said:

I think it’s actually a positive (no pun intended) that Josh contracted Covid and they still played. Carried on with the tour. 

I'm kind of shocked that a band member testing positive didn't shut the whole thing down.  That's encouraging but as discussed previously, will PJ play on if this type of situation arises when they finally play their shows?  I'd be pretty disappointed to go to a PJ show and see them play without Mike (or Stone, or Jeff).

While that would be disappointing, that is only a risk for the 2022 shows most likely as this thing dies.  I wouldn’t be surprised if Klinghoffer kind of “stays prepared” as a sixth man on the bench, ready to step in for anyone except for Ed or Matt in the event someone tests positive.  

If that’s what it takes to get some shows in 2022 as Covid winds down, then fine, even if it would be somewhat disappointing

rey

Weston1283 said:

rey said:

DM282158 said:

I think it’s actually a positive (no pun intended) that Josh contracted Covid and they still played. Carried on with the tour. 

I'm kind of shocked that a band member testing positive didn't shut the whole thing down.  That's encouraging but as discussed previously, will PJ play on if this type of situation arises when they finally play their shows?  I'd be pretty disappointed to go to a PJ show and see them play without Mike (or Stone, or Jeff).

While that would be disappointing, that is only a risk for the 2022 shows most likely as this thing dies.  I wouldn’t be surprised if Klinghoffer kind of “stays prepared” as a sixth man on the bench, ready to step in for anyone except for Ed or Matt in the event someone tests positive.  

If that’s what it takes to get some shows in 2022 as Covid winds down, then fine, even if it would be somewhat disappointing

Based on Ohana and Sea Hear Now, I was kind of expecting Klinghofer to be part of the PJ touring band (at least for the upcoming tour) anyway.  Maybe Andrew Watt and the bass player will travel with PJ also and fill in if needed.  Chad Smith probably won't be available but they could probably find a replacement if needed.......they've never had an issue finding a drummer in the past.  

JR225955

So - couple new developments today in my personal PJ quest for show dates...
Not sure who else looks at the TM site daily - but I watch - and the order here changed today:
https://www.ticketmaster.com/pearl-jam-tickets/artist/735836
AND more importantly - Viejas added commencement dates to their calendar - which I'm pretty sure means the SD show won't be 5/13-5/15 which is cool with me as I have plans to attend Cruel World that weekend:
https://as.sdsu.edu/viejas_arena/events
So yeah - couple steps closer to knowing.

NewfieintheUSA

PJNB said:

So speaking of spicy what cities that have not been hit in awhile would you love to see get the arena show treatment this spring/fall?

Louisville!

JeBurkhardt

NewfieintheUSA said:

PJNB said:

So speaking of spicy what cities that have not been hit in awhile would you love to see get the arena show treatment this spring/fall?

Louisville!

I agree.

bootlegger10

Josh joining the tour will help provide a fill-in for guitar if Mike or Stone catch it.  They may have someone on reserve for drums and bass.  

Eddie is the only truly irreplaceable one in the group.

I doubt they will rehearse a 100 different songs this tour.

CantKeepmedown

Weston1283 said:

One thought I’ve had regarding this tour….

Will this be the year where the setlist variability starts to decrease?  I don’t think they’ll do 30+ song nights regularly anymore.  The sets are all going to be Gigaton heavy.  Between that, the 5-7 hits they play every night, plus the inevitable covers and Earthling songs that’ll find their way onto the setlist, how much variety can we expect?

I don't see any reason to think that Earthling songs will be included in PJ sets. Setting Forth is the only EV solo song I can think of that got regular play (and wasn't on a PJ album)

I don't think we'll see 30+ songs regularly, but it will happen from time to time. I'd say they'll average 25-27 and probably 5-6 Gigaton songs per night. Sometimes more, sometimes less. I do hope some forgotten songs from the Binaural/Riot Act era get some more play. 

mrk2

Josh can play drums too, he played on a bunch of John Frusciante's solo albums and live with PJ Harvey on some songs when he toured with her in 2004 (mainly played guitar though).

bbiggs

I don't think we'll see 30+ songs regularly, but it will happen from time to time. I'd say they'll average 25-27 and probably 5-6 Gigaton songs per night. Sometimes more, sometimes less. I do hope some forgotten songs from the Binaural/Riot Act era get some more play. 

+1

Weston1283

bbiggs said:

I don't think we'll see 30+ songs regularly, but it will happen from time to time. I'd say they'll average 25-27 and probably 5-6 Gigaton songs per night. Sometimes more, sometimes less. I do hope some forgotten songs from the Binaural/Riot Act era get some more play. 

+1

+1 but I would also love to see Avocado make a big comeback as well

OceansJenny

Josh better learn rhythm, lead, and drums for all of PJs catalog!

I definitely see Covid throwing a wrench in setlist variety. Easier to keep a 90% standard set if you don’t know who will be going on that night (Josh was pulled at 7pm last night).

I could see PJ keeping Drive in the set. Not sure about the rest of the Earthings tour songs except maybe some of the covers. 

Spoonman110

Maybe its been brought up already, but no one had any idea until last night that Ed had dealt with Covid. We're kinda assuming that he was the only member of PJ to have gotten it. For all we know, everyone in PJ has already had it. 

HoldeIN

JR225955 said:

So - couple new developments today in my personal PJ quest for show dates...
Not sure who else looks at the TM site daily - but I watch - and the order here changed today:
https://www.ticketmaster.com/pearl-jam-tickets/artist/735836
AND more importantly - Viejas added commencement dates to their calendar - which I'm pretty sure means the SD show won't be 5/13-5/15 which is cool with me as I have plans to attend Cruel World that weekend:
https://as.sdsu.edu/viejas_arena/events
So yeah - couple steps closer to knowing.

What changed about the order?  I haven't looked at it before to know.  I notice that the US shows are split with EU in the middle - is that an indication of the US spring versus fall locations?  Or was it already displayed like that

cutz

cincybearcat said:

I still think it’s disappointing they are waiting so long to give dates.  The longer the wait the more likely I will have to get a refund for 1 or more of the shows also kept me from traveling to see Ed in this tour and buying Who tickets so far. 

My shows will all probably be on wednesdays hahahaha

Same reason I didn't buy Eddie Vedder tickets.

And, The Who are playing near me in May, so the same for them.

dmbolp

Missing Apollo, and 1 other (Baltimore, duh), but this shows how it was originally scheduled, and now the order on TM (without dates), with the Europe break:

WAS		IS (TM)
March 18, 2020	Toronto	Hamilton
March 20, 2020	Ottawa	New York City
March 22, 2020	Quebec City	Quebec City
March 24, 2020	Hamilton	Nashville
March 26, 2020	Apollo	Glendale
March 28, 2020	Baltimore	Inglewood
March 30, 2020	New York City	Inglewood
April 2, 2020	Nashville	Oklahoma City
April 4, 2020	St. Louis	Denver
April 6, 2020	Oklahoma City	Toronto
EUROPE
April 9, 2020	Denver	Oakland
April 11, 2020	Glendale	Oakland
April 13, 2020	San Diego	Ottawa
April 15, 2020	Inglewood	St. Louis
April 16, 2020	Inglewood	San Diego
April 18, 2020	Oakland
April 19, 2020	Oakland

mpedone

My guess is that it's just random. There's no way they'd bounce around that much, right? I mean, that might be good for me - my shows would be spread out even more...

bendhair23

The Huntington Center (Toledo, Ohio) home of the Toledo Walleye (ECHL)….people put hot sauce on fried fish, right?

NWOntario

mpedone said:

My guess is that it's just random. There's no way they'd bounce around that much, right? I mean, that might be good for me - my shows would be spread out even more...

Agree. Hamilton and Toronto are 45 minutes apart. I can't envision a scenario in which they'd start the tour in Canada, drop down to the U.S., come back to Canada, go back to the U.S., and come back to Canada again. I can't imagine them doing that during "normal" times, let alone now.

mpedone

NWOntario said:

mpedone said:

My guess is that it's just random. There's no way they'd bounce around that much, right? I mean, that might be good for me - my shows would be spread out even more...

Agree. Hamilton and Toronto are 45 minutes apart. I can't envision a scenario in which they'd start the tour in Canada, drop down to the U.S., come back to Canada, go back to the U.S., and come back to Canada again. I can't imagine them doing that during "normal" times, let alone now.

I guess it could be a result of the Leafs looking to be in playoff contention? If you assume this starts sometime in May and would wrap up in early June for the band to get to Europe, it could be a later round of the playoffs, when either the Leafs will have pulled a Leafs and be done, or they'll still be playing, but there's a little more leeway in the scheduling. Even in that scenario, though, I still don't know why you wouldn't package them together.

RatherStarved

The only reason they’d split close by cities is if there’s a ton of refunds and they’re worried about selling out two shows close in geography and time.  

dmbolp

Ticket sales; split up the Canada and Cali shows

demetrios

dmbolp said:

Ticket sales; split up the Canada and Cali shows

Nooooooo!!!

RatherStarved

I wonder what’s up on May 17?

uglybabo

RatherStarved said:

I wonder what’s up on May 17?

Maybe tentative NHL playoff date?

Sheets Of Clay

JeBurkhardt said:

NewfieintheUSA said:

PJNB said:

So speaking of spicy what cities that have not been hit in awhile would you love to see get the arena show treatment this spring/fall?

Louisville!

I agree.

PJ management have said twice that they’re never playing Louisville because they don’t like the ticketing practices of the arena. 

PJNB

RatherStarved said:

I wonder what’s up on May 17?

Nice find. Would be insane if PJ bumped Bieber but highly unlikely. 

JeBurkhardt

Sheets Of Clay said:

JeBurkhardt said:

NewfieintheUSA said:

PJNB said:

So speaking of spicy what cities that have not been hit in awhile would you love to see get the arena show treatment this spring/fall?

Louisville!

I agree.

PJ management have said twice that they’re never playing Louisville because they don’t like the ticketing practices of the arena. 

Well crap. It is only a 2 hour drive from us. It is the closest of the “big cities “ to us. St Louis is 3 hours, Indy is 2.5, Nashville is 4 and Chicago is 4.5. Champaign is 2.5 hours, so maybe they could play there again.