2022 North American rumour thread take 2

100 Pacer

April please and thank you.

demetrios

100 Pacer said:

April please and thank you.

tschav

vedpunk said:

At some point they have to realize they can’t control everything and need to take a leap of faith and announce the dates.  If the borders are closed, so be it.  Serving the local fans might do them some good.    If they wait too long, there’s going to be some very empty arenas anyway, as fans allocate funds and travel to other shows.  If you’re not vaccinated by now, that’s on you.  The rest of us are ready to move forward.  

And if anything, the fan-to-fan exchange would open back up to help plan ahead. If people cannot travel for any reason (pandemic, new dates don’t work, etc), fans have a way to unload tickets and others don’t pay marked up prices. 

SVRDhand13

vedpunk said:

At some point they have to realize they can’t control everything and need to take a leap of faith and announce the dates.  If the borders are closed, so be it.  Serving the local fans might do them some good.    If they wait too long, there’s going to be some very empty arenas anyway, as fans allocate funds and travel to other shows.  If you’re not vaccinated by now, that’s on you.  The rest of us are ready to move forward.  

There is not going to be "very empty arenas" whenever they decide to play.  

PJNB

SVRDhand13 said:

vedpunk said:

At some point they have to realize they can’t control everything and need to take a leap of faith and announce the dates.  If the borders are closed, so be it.  Serving the local fans might do them some good.    If they wait too long, there’s going to be some very empty arenas anyway, as fans allocate funds and travel to other shows.  If you’re not vaccinated by now, that’s on you.  The rest of us are ready to move forward.  

There is not going to be "very empty arenas" whenever they decide to play.  

I don’t think so either but I also thought encore would sell out with ease.

mcgruff10

PJNB said:

SVRDhand13 said:

vedpunk said:

At some point they have to realize they can’t control everything and need to take a leap of faith and announce the dates.  If the borders are closed, so be it.  Serving the local fans might do them some good.    If they wait too long, there’s going to be some very empty arenas anyway, as fans allocate funds and travel to other shows.  If you’re not vaccinated by now, that’s on you.  The rest of us are ready to move forward.  

There is not going to be "very empty arenas" whenever they decide to play.  

I don’t think so either but I also thought encore would sell out with ease.

Not too many venues can sell out over four nights.  Night one of the spectrum run wasn’t sold out.  

DM282158

I’ve been following the secondary market for the Bruins and Celtics; as I do in any “normal” year. (I love just outside Boston.). Never, ever have I seen it this low. Combination of covid caution, proof of vax/negative test, and Boston also requires masks. But wow; didn’t think it’d be as low as it is. 

Merkin Baller

Nvm

RatherStarved

DM282158 said:

I’ve been following the secondary market for the Bruins and Celtics; as I do in any “normal” year. (I love just outside Boston.). Never, ever have I seen it this low. Combination of covid caution, proof of vax/negative test, and Boston also requires masks. But wow; didn’t think it’d be as low as it is. 

I wonder if there’s a certain % of people who are just not interested in going to large events any more, not so much because of safety, but because they’ve adjusted to living without it and are content not to go back, having found other ways to spend their time and money.

D-Rod

mcgruff10 said:

PJNB said:

SVRDhand13 said:

vedpunk said:

At some point they have to realize they can’t control everything and need to take a leap of faith and announce the dates.  If the borders are closed, so be it.  Serving the local fans might do them some good.    If they wait too long, there’s going to be some very empty arenas anyway, as fans allocate funds and travel to other shows.  If you’re not vaccinated by now, that’s on you.  The rest of us are ready to move forward.  

There is not going to be "very empty arenas" whenever they decide to play.  

I don’t think so either but I also thought encore would sell out with ease.

Not too many venues can sell out over four nights.  Night one of the spectrum run wasn’t sold out.  

When 2020 are rescheduled and I arrive for the Hamilton show to find out I’m the only one there,  I’m pretty sure I will still have a blast.  However this will make  bathroom breaks a little awkward……” hey Mike can you hold that guitar solo until I get back?” 

RatherStarved

D-Rod said:

mcgruff10 said:

PJNB said:

SVRDhand13 said:

vedpunk said:

At some point they have to realize they can’t control everything and need to take a leap of faith and announce the dates.  If the borders are closed, so be it.  Serving the local fans might do them some good.    If they wait too long, there’s going to be some very empty arenas anyway, as fans allocate funds and travel to other shows.  If you’re not vaccinated by now, that’s on you.  The rest of us are ready to move forward.  

There is not going to be "very empty arenas" whenever they decide to play.  

I don’t think so either but I also thought encore would sell out with ease.

Not too many venues can sell out over four nights.  Night one of the spectrum run wasn’t sold out.  

When 2020 are rescheduled and I arrive for the Hamilton show to find out I’m the only one there,  I’m pretty sure I will still have a blast.  However this will make  bathroom breaks a little awkward……” hey Mike can you hold that guitar solo until I get back?” 

I’ll save your spot.  

D-Rod

RatherStarved said:

D-Rod said:

mcgruff10 said:

PJNB said:

SVRDhand13 said:

vedpunk said:

At some point they have to realize they can’t control everything and need to take a leap of faith and announce the dates.  If the borders are closed, so be it.  Serving the local fans might do them some good.    If they wait too long, there’s going to be some very empty arenas anyway, as fans allocate funds and travel to other shows.  If you’re not vaccinated by now, that’s on you.  The rest of us are ready to move forward.  

There is not going to be "very empty arenas" whenever they decide to play.  

I don’t think so either but I also thought encore would sell out with ease.

Not too many venues can sell out over four nights.  Night one of the spectrum run wasn’t sold out.  

When 2020 are rescheduled and I arrive for the Hamilton show to find out I’m the only one there,  I’m pretty sure I will still have a blast.  However this will make  bathroom breaks a little awkward……” hey Mike can you hold that guitar solo until I get back?” 

I’ll save your spot.  

Deal 

on2legs

RatherStarved said:

DM282158 said:

I’ve been following the secondary market for the Bruins and Celtics; as I do in any “normal” year. (I love just outside Boston.). Never, ever have I seen it this low. Combination of covid caution, proof of vax/negative test, and Boston also requires masks. But wow; didn’t think it’d be as low as it is. 

I wonder if there’s a certain % of people who are just not interested in going to large events any more, not so much because of safety, but because they’ve adjusted to living without it and are content not to go back, having found other ways to spend their time and money.

I usually take my kids to 3 or 4 NBA games every year.  We’re all vaccinated but we’re going to skip it this year.  Just rather be on the safe side and the NBA will be there next year.  Pearl Jam is a different story.  I will attend if the shows go forward. 

JimmyV

vedpunk said:

At some point they have to realize they can’t control everything and need to take a leap of faith and announce the dates.  If the borders are closed, so be it.  Serving the local fans might do them some good.    If they wait too long, there’s going to be some very empty arenas anyway, as fans allocate funds and travel to other shows.  If you’re not vaccinated by now, that’s on you.  The rest of us are ready to move forward.  

Agreed. 

DM282158

RatherStarved said:

DM282158 said:

I’ve been following the secondary market for the Bruins and Celtics; as I do in any “normal” year. (I love just outside Boston.). Never, ever have I seen it this low. Combination of covid caution, proof of vax/negative test, and Boston also requires masks. But wow; didn’t think it’d be as low as it is. 

I wonder if there’s a certain % of people who are just not interested in going to large events any more, not so much because of safety, but because they’ve adjusted to living without it and are content not to go back, having found other ways to spend their time and money.

Very, very good point. 

kaw753

D-Rod said:

mcgruff10 said:

PJNB said:

SVRDhand13 said:

vedpunk said:

At some point they have to realize they can’t control everything and need to take a leap of faith and announce the dates.  If the borders are closed, so be it.  Serving the local fans might do them some good.    If they wait too long, there’s going to be some very empty arenas anyway, as fans allocate funds and travel to other shows.  If you’re not vaccinated by now, that’s on you.  The rest of us are ready to move forward.  

There is not going to be "very empty arenas" whenever they decide to play.  

I don’t think so either but I also thought encore would sell out with ease.

Not too many venues can sell out over four nights.  Night one of the spectrum run wasn’t sold out.  

When 2020 are rescheduled and I arrive for the Hamilton show to find out I’m the only one there,  I’m pretty sure I will still have a blast.  However this will make  bathroom breaks a little awkward……” hey Mike can you hold that guitar solo until I get back?” 

Just go during Evenflow. You got time!

cp3iverson

on2legs said:

RatherStarved said:

DM282158 said:

I’ve been following the secondary market for the Bruins and Celtics; as I do in any “normal” year. (I love just outside Boston.). Never, ever have I seen it this low. Combination of covid caution, proof of vax/negative test, and Boston also requires masks. But wow; didn’t think it’d be as low as it is. 

I wonder if there’s a certain % of people who are just not interested in going to large events any more, not so much because of safety, but because they’ve adjusted to living without it and are content not to go back, having found other ways to spend their time and money.

I usually take my kids to 3 or 4 NBA games every year.  We’re all vaccinated but we’re going to skip it this year.  Just rather be on the safe side and the NBA will be there next year.  Pearl Jam is a different story.  I will attend if the shows go forward. 

100% same boat, just a different NBA home team

I will add that I’ll be trying for a suite or something if they play arenas.  Not doing GA

Weston1283

I refunded the last of my shows besides Baltimore the other day.  

I disagree with whoever said there wont be empty arenas.  There will be.  Not everywhere, but there will be some.  QBC wasn’t even sold out before the pandemic, and now with mention of 10k+ seats to sell, you don’t think that show will be empty?

on2legs

Weston1283 said:

I refunded the last of my shows besides Baltimore the other day.  

I disagree with whoever said there wont be empty arenas.  There will be.  Not everywhere, but there will be some.  QBC wasn’t even sold out before the pandemic, and now with mention of 10k+ seats to sell, you don’t think that show will be empty?

The more likely prediction instead of empty is probably not a sellout.  I got shut out of tickets to 3 different shows that I was interested in going to during the lottery. I think there will be a bunch of fans who got shutout the first time who would snap up a lot of the refunded tickets. But maybe not quite a sellout everywhere.  I just hope Ticketmaster puts those tickets into the exchange as promised and we don’t see the best seats filtered to scalpers. 

SVRDhand13

Weston1283 said:

I refunded the last of my shows besides Baltimore the other day.  

I disagree with whoever said there wont be empty arenas.  There will be.  Not everywhere, but there will be some.  QBC wasn’t even sold out before the pandemic, and now with mention of 10k+ seats to sell, you don’t think that show will be empty?

I think we have different definitions of empty. 

Who said 10k tickets to sell? Sounds like pure speculation to me (which is all of this thread). 

NWOntario

DM282158 said:

I’ve been following the secondary market for the Bruins and Celtics; as I do in any “normal” year. (I love just outside Boston.). Never, ever have I seen it this low. Combination of covid caution, proof of vax/negative test, and Boston also requires masks. But wow; didn’t think it’d be as low as it is. 

The Leafs haven't sold out a single one of their four home games this season. Obviously that's multifactoral - ticket prices and the hangover from last year's playoffs aren't helping - but for a team that had a decades-long sellout streak it's still noteworthy. A lot of people are still really freaked out about being around other people.

jefft

NWOntario said:

DM282158 said:

I’ve been following the secondary market for the Bruins and Celtics; as I do in any “normal” year. (I love just outside Boston.). Never, ever have I seen it this low. Combination of covid caution, proof of vax/negative test, and Boston also requires masks. But wow; didn’t think it’d be as low as it is. 

The Leafs haven't sold out a single one of their four home games this season. Obviously that's multifactoral - ticket prices and the hangover from last year's playoffs aren't helping - but for a team that had a decades-long sellout streak it's still noteworthy. A lot of people are still really freaked out about being around other people.

Ticket prices are nuts for the leafs this year.

Weston1283

NWOntario said:

DM282158 said:

I’ve been following the secondary market for the Bruins and Celtics; as I do in any “normal” year. (I love just outside Boston.). Never, ever have I seen it this low. Combination of covid caution, proof of vax/negative test, and Boston also requires masks. But wow; didn’t think it’d be as low as it is. 

The Leafs haven't sold out a single one of their four home games this season. Obviously that's multifactoral - ticket prices and the hangover from last year's playoffs aren't helping - but for a team that had a decades-long sellout streak it's still noteworthy. A lot of people are still really freaked out about being around other people.

Not only that, but people are being more selective with where and how they spend their extra cash.

post pandemic travel requires more planning and time.  

When I say “empty” I obviously don’t mean that in the literal sense.  But we’re entering November… every day they wait at this point is only negatively affecting ticket sales and turnout for a Spring tour

RatherStarved

Weston1283 said:

NWOntario said:

DM282158 said:

I’ve been following the secondary market for the Bruins and Celtics; as I do in any “normal” year. (I love just outside Boston.). Never, ever have I seen it this low. Combination of covid caution, proof of vax/negative test, and Boston also requires masks. But wow; didn’t think it’d be as low as it is. 

The Leafs haven't sold out a single one of their four home games this season. Obviously that's multifactoral - ticket prices and the hangover from last year's playoffs aren't helping - but for a team that had a decades-long sellout streak it's still noteworthy. A lot of people are still really freaked out about being around other people.

Not only that, but people are being more selective with where and how they spend their extra cash.

post pandemic travel requires more planning and time.  

When I say “empty” I obviously don’t mean that in the literal sense.  But we’re entering November… every day they wait at this point is only negatively affecting ticket sales and turnout for a Spring tour

I don’t know if you’re right, but I hope they think you are, so they can get on with the dates already.  By all means they are free to say these are the dates pending a final safety decision in February or whatever.  But it’s time.

SVRDhand13

Weston1283 said:

NWOntario said:

DM282158 said:

I’ve been following the secondary market for the Bruins and Celtics; as I do in any “normal” year. (I love just outside Boston.). Never, ever have I seen it this low. Combination of covid caution, proof of vax/negative test, and Boston also requires masks. But wow; didn’t think it’d be as low as it is. 

The Leafs haven't sold out a single one of their four home games this season. Obviously that's multifactoral - ticket prices and the hangover from last year's playoffs aren't helping - but for a team that had a decades-long sellout streak it's still noteworthy. A lot of people are still really freaked out about being around other people.

Not only that, but people are being more selective with where and how they spend their extra cash.

post pandemic travel requires more planning and time.  

When I say “empty” I obviously don’t mean that in the literal sense.  But we’re entering November… every day they wait at this point is only negatively affecting ticket sales and turnout for a Spring tour

I hear you. I just think PJ demand beats most acts and definitely sports. Look at SHN, night 1 was packed. Night 2 had a major drop off. 

D-Rod

NWOntario said:

DM282158 said:

I’ve been following the secondary market for the Bruins and Celtics; as I do in any “normal” year. (I love just outside Boston.). Never, ever have I seen it this low. Combination of covid caution, proof of vax/negative test, and Boston also requires masks. But wow; didn’t think it’d be as low as it is. 

The Leafs haven't sold out a single one of their four home games this season. Obviously that's multifactoral - ticket prices and the hangover from last year's playoffs aren't helping - but for a team that had a decades-long sellout streak it's still noteworthy. A lot of people are still really freaked out about being around other people.

Keep in mind many people that go to weeknight games in Toronto work downtown.   Many of those are still working from home which in many cases is a 60-90 minute commute.  

     Toronto Blue Jay’s had the same problem. 

biz999

D-Rod said:

NWOntario said:

DM282158 said:

I’ve been following the secondary market for the Bruins and Celtics; as I do in any “normal” year. (I love just outside Boston.). Never, ever have I seen it this low. Combination of covid caution, proof of vax/negative test, and Boston also requires masks. But wow; didn’t think it’d be as low as it is. 

The Leafs haven't sold out a single one of their four home games this season. Obviously that's multifactoral - ticket prices and the hangover from last year's playoffs aren't helping - but for a team that had a decades-long sellout streak it's still noteworthy. A lot of people are still really freaked out about being around other people.

Keep in mind many people that go to weeknight games in Toronto work downtown.   Many of those are still working from home which in many cases is a 60-90 minute commute.  

     Toronto Blue Jay’s had the same problem. 

That's a great point actually... I lived about an hour commute from Toronto but worked downtown, and if I wanted to catch a game or concert, I would just opt for a hotel that night, easy. Probably did it once a month.

RatherStarved

biz999 said:

D-Rod said:

NWOntario said:

DM282158 said:

I’ve been following the secondary market for the Bruins and Celtics; as I do in any “normal” year. (I love just outside Boston.). Never, ever have I seen it this low. Combination of covid caution, proof of vax/negative test, and Boston also requires masks. But wow; didn’t think it’d be as low as it is. 

The Leafs haven't sold out a single one of their four home games this season. Obviously that's multifactoral - ticket prices and the hangover from last year's playoffs aren't helping - but for a team that had a decades-long sellout streak it's still noteworthy. A lot of people are still really freaked out about being around other people.

Keep in mind many people that go to weeknight games in Toronto work downtown.   Many of those are still working from home which in many cases is a 60-90 minute commute.  

     Toronto Blue Jay’s had the same problem. 

That's a great point actually... I lived about an hour commute from Toronto but worked downtown, and if I wanted to catch a game or concert, I would just opt for a hotel that night, easy. Probably did it once a month.

All points are good.  I would add, specific to the Leafs, that sports are really selling hope and after all the past failures it is difficult to hold onto the hope even though they have some talented forwards.  

PJNB

If they do MSG X 4 March 8-13 timeframe do people think all 4 of those shows would not sell out? I think they would. I also think the arenas that sold out last year will sell out again and the ones that do not are going to have a lot of empty seats on the back of the stage. QC front seats were sold out but back there were a ton left.

Weston1283

PJNB said:

If they do MSG X 4 March 8-13 timeframe do people think all 4 of those shows would not sell out? I think they would. I also think the arenas that sold out last year will sell out again and the ones that do not are going to have a lot of empty seats on the back of the stage. QC front seats were sold out but back there were a ton left.

Yes, MSG Philly etc would sell out as they always do.   I’m more so thinking of a scenario where OKC or St Louis happen on a Wednesday night in March with only 1-2 months notice….  Going to be a lot of empty seats in that one

Side note, headed to my second arena show tonight since things picked back up again

TwentyOnePilots at TD Garden, should be a great one