Viruses / Vaccines

mickeyrat

curmudgeoness said:

Merkin Baller said:

mrussel1 said:

Merkin Baller said:

Oh yeah, the myocarditis risk. 

This came up before, it's also a potential side effect of COVID itself; it sidelined an otherwise healthy Red Sox pitcher for the entire 2020 season after he contracted covid in their July summer camp. 


EDIT - thanks for pasting the content 

Yes, and it was so prevalent that in order to be cleared for college football after you tested positive for Covid, you had to get your heart checked for this very issue. 

According to the article, COVID carries a "far greater risk" of causing inflammation of the heart than the vaccine itself, so this doesn't seem like much of a reason to not get the shot. 

I discussed this article with my husband last night. He said that there have been, IIRC, 732 confirmed cases, out of 137 million people vaccinated. That's a 5.34:1,000,000 chance of suffering this adverse event post-vaccination.

since its the under 3 crowd most effected shouldnt that be the variable in the math?

josevolution

Holy damn it feels like this is just the beginning again the only difference is that the hospital I work @ hasn’t seen a big increase in patients yet! All employees have to have at least 1 dose by sept 26 or else you will be out of a job! 

mace1229

mickeyrat said:

 

I haven’t heard anyone say they don’t need a mask because God will protect them. Is anyone actually using that? I’m sure some random person probably believes that, just like some still believe Elvis is alive, but haven’t heard it as a common belief shared among many.

Bentleyspop

And another....

https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1428762484547235849?s=19

Halifax2TheMax

Bentleyspop said:

And another....

https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1428762484547235849?s=19

Pressley Stutts? Victim of propaganda? Guess he wasn’t a stray cat?

Smellyman

mace1229 said:

mickeyrat said:

 

I haven’t heard anyone say they don’t need a mask because God will protect them. Is anyone actually using that? I’m sure some random person probably believes that, just like some still believe Elvis is alive, but haven’t heard it as a common belief shared among many.

Cole Beasley, Kirk Cousins, Jake Fraley

A lot of other athletes too

BLACK35

mace1229 said:

mickeyrat said:

 

I haven’t heard anyone say they don’t need a mask because God will protect them. Is anyone actually using that? I’m sure some random person probably believes that, just like some still believe Elvis is alive, but haven’t heard it as a common belief shared among many.

My wife works in retail and she has told me numerous times of people saying this when they would walk into the store and she would ask them to wear a mask. 

mickeyrat

mrussel1

mickeyrat said:

How does one explain the mistrust for the vaccine but willingness to use animal de worming?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/568834-mississippi-officials-warn-against-using-ivermectin-for-covid-amid-spike?amp

mickeyrat

mrussel1 said:

mickeyrat said:

How does one explain the mistrust for the vaccine but willingness to use animal de worming?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/568834-mississippi-officials-warn-against-using-ivermectin-for-covid-amid-spike?amp

inbreeding? decade after decade of cuts to education, ignorance or stupidity or both in regards to social media and how it works. lack of any modicum of critical thought.

shall I continue?

F Me In The Brain

mickeyrat said:

mrussel1 said:

mickeyrat said:

How does one explain the mistrust for the vaccine but willingness to use animal de worming?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/568834-mississippi-officials-warn-against-using-ivermectin-for-covid-amid-spike?amp

inbreeding? decade after decade of cuts to education, ignorance or stupidity or both in regards to social media and how it works. lack of any modicum of critical thought.

shall I continue?

Hahaha.  
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mickeyrat

things that make you go hmmmmm?

Renfield

mickeyrat said:

things that make you go hmmmmm?

It defies logic!

oftenreading

It’s widely reported that the FDA may fully approve the Pfizer BionTech vaccine on Monday or possibly slightly later. Would be lovely if all of those people who said they wouldn’t accept an “experimental”, unapproved vaccine get promptly vaccinated thereafter. 

what dreams

mickeyrat said:

things that make you go hmmmmm?

The problem I have with these consistency/hypocrisy arguments is this:

1.  I do NOT believe the state can mandate a 14 year old rape victim to have a baby

To be consistent, I have to say:

2.  I do NOT believe the state can mandate masks.

The opposite consistent argument also holds true -- if the state can mandate masks, the state can also mandate rape pregnancies.

The argument just doesn't work, if consistency is the goal.  It really shouldn't be. A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds, HD Thoreau in this case rings true.

But still:  WEAR A FUCKING MASK. School started for us on Aug 12, and thankfully students have been almost perfect in their compliance with our mask mandate. Even with it -- every single teacher in the building has at least one student out with CoVid since school started. One of my colleagues has had four go out in the same class period in one week.

And still:  It's brutal teaching in a mask all day, trying to project through a room of rambunctious middle schoolers excited to be back, exerting physical energy while assisting students (in a crowded classroom at full capacity), rushing through halls to get from meeting to meeting, all in a building with a poor HVAC system and high humidity. Yesterday I didn't have time to put in my contacts, so compound it all with fogged up glasses while trying to read all day. I hate every minute of it. . . . And I really miss the mute button.

I hope we don't shut down, and I hope the masks keep me from killing my mother, and I hope it gets easier to breathe. 

PJNB

So where do we go from here with this whole pandemic? New vaccinations are crawling at the moment (increase in last couple of days but still not close to what we need). Also vaccinations are proven to be less effective after 3 months in preventing you catching covid. They are still very effective in reducing the symptoms however which is a huge result but it appears  boosters will be necessary going forward. This means less people will take the boosters than who are currently vaccinated by now. Plenty of people I know are one and done. 

My question is when do we stop counting cases of covid in this pandemic especially for the vaccinated? When does someone not need to self isolate if they are positive and asymptomatic? I get that kids are still vulnerable and some people can not get the vaccine but still when is this going to end? I am not saying it should be today or tomorrow but really feeling that we are back to square one here with the vaccine being proven to not be the end to spreading of this virus. 

F Me In The Brain

If people are known to be positive with the virus, why would they not self isolate?
What difference if they have the vaccine or not, they can still pass to others who may or may not be vaccinated.
Glad they are asymptomatic but they should also still be respectful citizens of the world and try not to spread the virus.

When does it end? 
I don't know.  Another thousand + people died in the US yesterday, so on my opinion is sure as heck shouldn't end now.

F Me In The Brain

(note I'm not counting cases, but deaths.  I do agree that too much focus is on cases and not enough on hospitalizations and deaths)

PJNB

F Me In The Brain said:

If people are known to be positive with the virus, why would they not self isolate?
What difference if they have the vaccine or not, they can still pass to others who may or may not be vaccinated.
Glad they are asymptomatic but they should also still be respectful citizens of the world and try not to spread the virus.

When does it end? 
I don't know.  Another thousand + people died in the US yesterday, so on my opinion is sure as heck shouldn't end now.

I am not saying they should not self isolate right now. I am saying where do we need to get to in the future that we do not need to worry about it. Is it deaths that matter for this? Hospitalizations? Total case counts? Me saying above we are back to square one was a poor choice of words too. We are not. We now have a vaccine that works and no full lockdowns. That said since we look like we will have covid with us forever. What now for going forward to a normal world with all of the variants undoubtedly going to spring up. 

F Me In The Brain

Not sure about answers for those....for my two cents this is all weighted (everything we do as protective measures) on the number of deaths and hospitalizations.  I could change my position if more info comes out on long Covid but for now that I what I personally feel is the driver.