Viruses / Vaccines

josevolution

lastexitlondon said:

Jose this is what is happening here with kids going to school.  Its broken me.  I really hope  you all get through this fast and safe. Love to your family 

Thanks same too you guys across the pond! It just seems like everyone is getting the virus even if vaccinated most of his friends at this party are vaccinated all it took was one person to infect everyone there! Time to close ranks again 

josevolution

https://twitter.com/msnbc/status/1461635048931737603?s=21

Unrelenting! 

JeBurkhardt

My reaction to yesterday's booster was different than the other two shots earlier this year. The first shot was a mild headache and a sore arm. The second one was a sore arm, and I felt "off" for a few hours the next day. Last night I felt like crap. Headache, body aches and really bad chills. This morning the chills and body aches are gone, just a low fever and a headache. Still beats the heck out of getting COVID without the protection of the vaccine though.

mlcoon23

I got my Moderna booster yesterday. Felt a little rundown last night, just a sore arm today. My wife got the Pfizer booster a couple of weeks ago had 2 days of fever and chills (still happy to have the booster on board). She's had a reaction to each dose but that was the worst for her. My youngest kiddo got her 1st shot a week ago, went to soccer practice, came home and drove me nuts.  No side effects.   

mickeyrat

     Coronavirus pandemic Coronavirus vaccine Centers for Disease Control and Prevention US expands COVID boosters to all adults, final hurdle ahead   By LAURAN NEERGAARD and MATTHEW PERRONE 43 mins ago  WASHINGTON (AP) — U.S. regulators on Friday opened up COVID-19 booster shots to all adults, expanding the government’s campaign to shore up protection and get ahead of rising coronavirus cases that may worsen with the holidays. Pfizer and Moderna announced the Food and Drug Administration’s decision after at least 10 states already had started offering boosters to all adults. The latest action simplifies what until now has been a confusing list of who’s eligible by allowing anyone 18 or older to choose either company’s booster six months after their last dose — regardless of which vaccine they had first. But there’s one more step: The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention must agree to expand Pfizer and Moderna boosters to even healthy young adults. Its scientific advisers were set to debate later Friday. If the CDC agrees, tens of millions more Americans could have three doses of protection ahead of the new year. Anyone who got the one-dose Johnson & Johnson vaccine can already get a booster. All three COVID-19 vaccines used in the U.S. still offer strong protection against severe illness including hospitalization and death, but protection against infection can wane with time. Previously, the government had cleared boosters of Pfizer and BioNTech’s vaccine, as well as the similar Moderna vaccine, only for vulnerable groups including older Americans and people with chronic health problems. The move to expand comes as new COVID-19 cases have climbed steadily over the last two weeks, especially in states where colder weather is driving people indoors. Sparked by those worrying trends, some states didn’t wait for federal officials to act. Utah and Massachusetts were the latest states to announce in the past week that they’re opening boosters to all adults. Boosters for everyone was the Biden administration’s original goal. But in September, a panel of FDA advisers voted overwhelmingly against that idea based on the vaccines’ continued effectiveness in most age groups. Instead they endorsed an extra Pfizer dose only for the most vulnerable. Since then, administration officials, including Dr. Anthony Fauci, have continued making the case for using boosters more widely, noting that even milder infections in younger people can cause “long COVID” and other complications. “I don’t know of any other vaccine where we only worry about keeping people out of the hospital,” said Fauci at a briefing Wednesday. Last week, Pfizer and its German partner BioNTech filed new data to make the case that broader boosters could help tamp down infections at a critical period. “We have absolutely no chance in the current situation to control the pandemic without providing boosters to everyone,” BioNTech CEO Ugur Sahin told reporters during a visit to Washington last week. The companies studied 10,000 adults of all ages and found that a booster restored protection against symptomatic infections to about 95% even while the extra-contagious delta variant was surging. It’s too soon to know if that high level of protection will last longer after a third shot than after the second, something Sahin said the companies will carefully track. Backing up that evidence, Britain released real-world data this week showing the same jump in protection once it began offering boosters to middle-aged and older adults. Israel has credited widespread boosters for helping to beat back another wave of the virus in that country. More than 195 million Americans are fully vaccinated, defined as having received two doses of the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines or the single-dose Johnson & Johnson vaccine. More than 30 million already have received a booster. Before the expansion, people who received the Pfizer or Moderna vaccinations were eligible for a third dose if they’re elderly or at high risk of COVID-19 because of health problems or their jobs or living conditions. Because a single J&J shot hasn’t proven as effective as its two-dose competitors, any J&J recipient can get a booster at least two months later. But people who don’t meet the criteria often score an extra shot because many vaccine sites don’t check qualifications. The FDA previously ruled that people getting a booster can receive a different brand from the vaccine they received initially. Some experts worry that all the attention to boosters may harm efforts to reach the 60 million Americans who are eligible for vaccinations but haven’t gotten the shots. There’s also growing concern that rich countries are offering widespread boosters when poor countries haven’t been able to vaccinate more than a small fraction of their populations. “In terms of the No. 1 priority for reducing transmission in this country and throughout the world, this remains getting people their first vaccine series,” said Dr. David Dowdy of Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health. ___ The Associated Press Health and Science Department receives support from the Howard Hughes Medical Institute’s Department of Science Education. The AP is solely responsible for all content.

oftenreading

Health Canada approved the Pfizer vaccine today for kids ages 5-11. Moderna's application was submitted recently so will be a little behind.

The recommendation is that the two doses are spaced at least 8 weeks apart, due to evidence of more robust immune response with the longer interval. There is also evidence to suggest that kids have a lower rate of side effects. 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/pfizer-vaccine-children-delivery-1.6255108

josevolution

My son tested positive today after being infected last Saturday at small gathering of 8 friend's! I car pooled with him Tuesday Thursday & Friday, he has both shots not the booster I have all three headed to get tested later this afternoon..

GlowGirl

josevolution said:

My son tested positive today after being infected last Saturday at small gathering of 8 friend's! I car pooled with him Tuesday Thursday & Friday, he has both shots not the booster I have all three headed to get tested later this afternoon..

Sorry to hear that. I hope his symptoms are mild, and that you stay negative.

josevolution

GlowGirl said:

josevolution said:

My son tested positive today after being infected last Saturday at small gathering of 8 friend's! I car pooled with him Tuesday Thursday & Friday, he has both shots not the booster I have all three headed to get tested later this afternoon..

Sorry to hear that. I hope his symptoms are mild, and that you stay negative.

Thanks that incubation period can really be deceiving! He got tested Tuesday morning did both rapid & pcr test rapid came back negative the other result just got to him today but he started feeling symptoms Thursday night and this morning he felt sick slight fever loss of sense of smell went got tested this morning he came back positive! 

josevolution

The pcr test that was done on Tuesday came back negative..

mfc2006

josevolution said:

My son tested positive today after being infected last Saturday at small gathering of 8 friend's! I car pooled with him Tuesday Thursday & Friday, he has both shots not the booster I have all three headed to get tested later this afternoon..

Oh man. I hope his symptoms remain mild.

josevolution

mfc2006 said:

josevolution said:

My son tested positive today after being infected last Saturday at small gathering of 8 friend's! I car pooled with him Tuesday Thursday & Friday, he has both shots not the booster I have all three headed to get tested later this afternoon..

Oh man. I hope his symptoms remain mild.

Last night he felt it sweating chills headache today he was able to get to clinic for rapid test that confirmed positive results. Thanks 

oftenreading

josevolution said:

GlowGirl said:

josevolution said:

My son tested positive today after being infected last Saturday at small gathering of 8 friend's! I car pooled with him Tuesday Thursday & Friday, he has both shots not the booster I have all three headed to get tested later this afternoon..

Sorry to hear that. I hope his symptoms are mild, and that you stay negative.

Thanks that incubation period can really be deceiving! He got tested Tuesday morning did both rapid & pcr test rapid came back negative the other result just got to him today but he started feeling symptoms Thursday night and this morning he felt sick slight fever loss of sense of smell went got tested this morning he came back positive! 

I hope he feels better very soon, Jose, and that the rest of the family stays well.

This is a perfect example of the problems of testing too early. Ideally testing occurs about 4-7 (or CDC says 5-7) days post-exposure if the person remains asymptomatic. If you test two days after and while asymptomatic there just isn't enough virus around to reliably pick it up and the false negative rate is high. It's probably not worth doing a test before about 4 days after a known exposure. 

hedonist

Good thoughts from here, jose. 

josevolution

oftenreading said:

josevolution said:

GlowGirl said:

josevolution said:

My son tested positive today after being infected last Saturday at small gathering of 8 friend's! I car pooled with him Tuesday Thursday & Friday, he has both shots not the booster I have all three headed to get tested later this afternoon..

Sorry to hear that. I hope his symptoms are mild, and that you stay negative.

Thanks that incubation period can really be deceiving! He got tested Tuesday morning did both rapid & pcr test rapid came back negative the other result just got to him today but he started feeling symptoms Thursday night and this morning he felt sick slight fever loss of sense of smell went got tested this morning he came back positive! 

I hope he feels better very soon, Jose, and that the rest of the family stays well.

This is a perfect example of the problems of testing too early. Ideally testing occurs about 4-7 (or CDC says 5-7) days post-exposure if the person remains asymptomatic. If you test two days after and while asymptomatic there just isn't enough virus around to reliably pick it up and the false negative rate is high. It's probably not worth doing a test before about 4 days after a known exposure. 

Yep that seems like the case, thanks 

CM189191

hedonist said:

Good thoughts from here, jose. 

ditto

Merkin Baller

Hope everyone in your house has a quick recovery, Jose. 

Just got my booster & flu shots. Couch day is already scheduled for tomorrow. 

Hobbes

Booster and flu shots today as well. 

josevolution

Rapid results negative! No symptoms.
thanks folks 

cincybearcat

josevolution said:

Man when will this end my oldest attended a small gathering in Brooklyn last weekend and someone infected the whole party! He’s feeling effects of bad cold tested negative on Rapid test and is waiting for the results of PCR test, he is fully vaccinated except for the booster shot and just got the regular flu shot on Monday, what a mess..

The sad thing I heard recently from someone I trust…they truly believed we’d been dealing with endemic and epidemics well into 2025.