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  • nicknyr15
    nicknyr15 Posts: 9,220
    cincybearcat said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    Indifference71 said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    Indifference71 said:
    All along they say "follow the science".  Now the CDC director overrules her own advisers so the policy aligns with what the Biden administration had already taken a hard stance on.  Interesting.  And no, I'm not an anti-vaxxer.  Got vaxxed as soon as I was able to.  The hypocrisy that exists on both sides is just disgusting.  


    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/24/world/covid-boosters-vaccine-cdc-director.html
    Saying both sides is not allowed here. 
    LOL.  I know....that's why I rarely even venture to this section of the forum.  It's like being on Twitter!
    Worse 
    I’m not sure you’ve spent much time on Twitter 
    You’re probably right 
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    cincybearcat said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    Indifference71 said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    Indifference71 said:
    All along they say "follow the science".  Now the CDC director overrules her own advisers so the policy aligns with what the Biden administration had already taken a hard stance on.  Interesting.  And no, I'm not an anti-vaxxer.  Got vaxxed as soon as I was able to.  The hypocrisy that exists on both sides is just disgusting.  


    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/24/world/covid-boosters-vaccine-cdc-director.html
    Saying both sides is not allowed here. 
    LOL.  I know....that's why I rarely even venture to this section of the forum.  It's like being on Twitter!
    Worse 
    I’m not sure you’ve spent much time on Twitter 
    I was just going to say the same thing. I've quit twitter more than I've quit these forums. LOL
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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,388
    Indifference71 said:
    All along they say "follow the science".  Now the CDC director overrules her own advisers so the policy aligns with what the Biden administration had already taken a hard stance on.  Interesting.  And no, I'm not an anti-vaxxer.  Got vaxxed as soon as I was able to.  The hypocrisy that exists on both sides is just disgusting.  


    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/24/world/covid-boosters-vaccine-cdc-director.html

    read most of it, didn't see where it was said just who the advisors are, what expertise they possessed and why they recommended against.


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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    This morning, I heard my wife groan mildly and I turned to see what was wrong and she was looking at her iPhone and slowly shaking her head.  She told me that the mother of a young woman we are somewhat close to was just diagnosed with COVID.  I asked if this elderly woman was anti-mask and she said, no but she is religious and is anti-vacc.  She then told me that this elderly woman's daughter rode unprotected with her in a car, even though she knew her mother had COVID, and now the daughter also has COVID.  This led me right away to asking,
    -What the hell does religion have to do with getting a vaccination or (in the daughter's case) wearing a mask (no, the are not Christian Scientists, just fundamentalists)?
    -And why the hell would someone get in a car with someone they know has COVID, and not be protected???
    The worst of it is, someone else who is very close to us, who has done all the right things with vaccination and masks, and who is related to these two women who now have COVID, now has to get tested and make sure she is OK  (I'm fairly sure she is but...).  I'm not sure if the last time she was around them she know they were infected and not, they should have told her!  What the hell is wrong with these people???

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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739

    Rowdy celebrations erupt in Norway as COVID-19 restrictions end



    https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/rowdy-celebrations-erupt-in-norway-as-covid-19-restrictions-end-1.5601080?cid=sm%3Atrueanthem%3A%7B%7Bcampaignname%7D%7D%3Atwitterpost%E2%80%8B&taid=61511091b22f05000156934e&utm_campaign=trueAnthem%3A+Trending+Content&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter

    Them crazy Scandinavian people…
    Give Peas A Chance…
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    Initial experimental results suggest that Merck’s new oral antiviral reduces serious covid outcomes like hospitalization and death by 50%. In fact, the trial was halted early by the monitors due to the wide difference between active drug and placebo. 


    The drug is  named molnupiravir and is somewhat similar to remesdevir but is administered orally. 


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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    oftenreading said:
    Initial experimental results suggest that Merck’s new oral antiviral reduces serious covid outcomes like hospitalization and death by 50%. In fact, the trial was halted early by the monitors due to the wide difference between active drug and placebo. 


    The drug is  named molnupiravir and is somewhat similar to remesdevir but is administered orally. 


    I read about this earlier and wondered why the trial would be stopped because of this? and do you think this will have any negative effect on vaccine uptake? I think it will. 
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    oftenreading said:
    Initial experimental results suggest that Merck’s new oral antiviral reduces serious covid outcomes like hospitalization and death by 50%. In fact, the trial was halted early by the monitors due to the wide difference between active drug and placebo. 


    The drug is  named molnupiravir and is somewhat similar to remesdevir but is administered orally. 


    I read on facebook that it's just a mix of invectrum, HCQ, Vit D and bleach.  
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    mrussel1 said:
    oftenreading said:
    Initial experimental results suggest that Merck’s new oral antiviral reduces serious covid outcomes like hospitalization and death by 50%. In fact, the trial was halted early by the monitors due to the wide difference between active drug and placebo. 


    The drug is  named molnupiravir and is somewhat similar to remesdevir but is administered orally. 


    I read on facebook that it's just a mix of invectrum, HCQ, Vit D and bleach.  
    and trump vodka. 
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    mrussel1 said:
    oftenreading said:
    Initial experimental results suggest that Merck’s new oral antiviral reduces serious covid outcomes like hospitalization and death by 50%. In fact, the trial was halted early by the monitors due to the wide difference between active drug and placebo. 


    The drug is  named molnupiravir and is somewhat similar to remesdevir but is administered orally. 


    I read on facebook that it's just a mix of invectrum, HCQ, Vit D and bleach.  
    and trump vodka. 
    #Truth
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    oftenreading said:
    Initial experimental results suggest that Merck’s new oral antiviral reduces serious covid outcomes like hospitalization and death by 50%. In fact, the trial was halted early by the monitors due to the wide difference between active drug and placebo. 


    The drug is  named molnupiravir and is somewhat similar to remesdevir but is administered orally. 


    I read about this earlier and wondered why the trial would be stopped because of this? and do you think this will have any negative effect on vaccine uptake? I think it will. 

    This is a common feature of clinical trials, designed to protect those in the placebo arm. It's built into the study design. If there is enough of a separation between active and placebo, to the detriment of the placebo arm, then the trial is halted early. It's unethical to continue a trial where you know that those in the placebo arm are suffering preventable harm.

    As for the effect on vaccination rates, I'm not sure but it's possible. I'm thinking that the subset of people who are adamant that they won't get vaccinated with "experimental" vaccines also won't trust this new drug but those decisions aren't made on logic. 
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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    mrussel1 said:
    oftenreading said:
    Initial experimental results suggest that Merck’s new oral antiviral reduces serious covid outcomes like hospitalization and death by 50%. In fact, the trial was halted early by the monitors due to the wide difference between active drug and placebo. 


    The drug is  named molnupiravir and is somewhat similar to remesdevir but is administered orally. 


    I read on facebook that it's just a mix of invectrum, HCQ, Vit D and bleach.  
    and trump vodka. 

    Which explains the side effects of nausea and headache
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    oftenreading said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    oftenreading said:
    Initial experimental results suggest that Merck’s new oral antiviral reduces serious covid outcomes like hospitalization and death by 50%. In fact, the trial was halted early by the monitors due to the wide difference between active drug and placebo. 


    The drug is  named molnupiravir and is somewhat similar to remesdevir but is administered orally. 


    I read about this earlier and wondered why the trial would be stopped because of this? and do you think this will have any negative effect on vaccine uptake? I think it will. 

    This is a common feature of clinical trials, designed to protect those in the placebo arm. It's built into the study design. If there is enough of a separation between active and placebo, to the detriment of the placebo arm, then the trial is halted early. It's unethical to continue a trial where you know that those in the placebo arm are suffering preventable harm.

    As for the effect on vaccination rates, I'm not sure but it's possible. I'm thinking that the subset of people who are adamant that they won't get vaccinated with "experimental" vaccines also won't trust this new drug but those decisions aren't made on logic. 
    yeah, that's what I mean. if anti-vaxxers were consistent, that would be correct. but these are the people who smoke cigarettes and drop 35 advil for their moonshine headache. 

    but also, if it's a choice of constant boosters or just take a pill IF you get sick, I think a lot of those that were on the fence about the vaccine but eventually took it because of fear or restrictions, will just opt out and take the pill. 
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  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,610
    My cynical gut reaction to this pill was "oh good, another thing for people to rage against."  And that might be right. My cursory skimming tells me that the pill is effective soon after diagnosis and NOT after shit starts to hit the fan.

    Based on the irrationale for vaccine hesitancy (unproven, new, not 100% effective, I'm not a sheep, I'm young and healthy, 99% survival rate, risking health/life out of spite), consistency would lead many of the same people to not take this pill. That said, a covid diagnosis might make it seem a bit more real and maybe many would decide that the smart move is to take it.

    I hope this thing pans out but I admit the likely reduction in vaccinations is concerning. I'd rather avoid covid than get it and cure it.
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  • JB16057
    JB16057 Posts: 1,269
    There was a healthy 44 year old that passed away from COVID about 2 weeks ago that I was friends with. I just spoke with someone that knew him and his family really well. The whole family, Mom, Dad & Sisters(and their families) got COVID. Laugh at it if you want to, but the whole family took Ivermectin and recovered. He was the only one that didn't take it and he passed away. He got submitted to the hospital and was given Remdesivir and his kidneys shut down just a couple days later.

    It's strange how COVID attacks some so badly and then other don't feel a thing. I'm not saying that Ivermectin is a miracle drug or that it even helps with COVID. I am not a doctor so I don't have a clue. What I do know is that his family all recovered. His parents are in their 70s and his sisters are in their 30s.

    None of them were vaccinated. Had he been vaccinated, I'm pretty sure he would have survived. I didn't trust doctors before COVID and I don't trust them now. We can all read stories all day long about other people but I know this is how it went down for this family.
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    edited October 2021
    JB16057 said:
    There was a healthy 44 year old that passed away from COVID about 2 weeks ago that I was friends with. I just spoke with someone that knew him and his family really well. The whole family, Mom, Dad & Sisters(and their families) got COVID. Laugh at it if you want to, but the whole family took Ivermectin and recovered. He was the only one that didn't take it and he passed away. He got submitted to the hospital and was given Remdesivir and his kidneys shut down just a couple days later.

    It's strange how COVID attacks some so badly and then other don't feel a thing. I'm not saying that Ivermectin is a miracle drug or that it even helps with COVID. I am not a doctor so I don't have a clue. What I do know is that his family all recovered. His parents are in their 70s and his sisters are in their 30s.

    None of them were vaccinated. Had he been vaccinated, I'm pretty sure he would have survived. I didn't trust doctors before COVID and I don't trust them now. We can all read stories all day long about other people but I know this is how it went down for this family.
    Right but this is why you don't make social and medical decisions based on anecdotes. 

    And the thing about ivectrum is two fold: first,  it was not clinically tested for COVID so it would irresponsible for the FDA to recommend such a thing.  Second,  people were self medicating and taking animal level doses,  not human. 
  • JB16057
    JB16057 Posts: 1,269
    mrussel1 said:
    JB16057 said:
    There was a healthy 44 year old that passed away from COVID about 2 weeks ago that I was friends with. I just spoke with someone that knew him and his family really well. The whole family, Mom, Dad & Sisters(and their families) got COVID. Laugh at it if you want to, but the whole family took Ivermectin and recovered. He was the only one that didn't take it and he passed away. He got submitted to the hospital and was given Remdesivir and his kidneys shut down just a couple days later.

    It's strange how COVID attacks some so badly and then other don't feel a thing. I'm not saying that Ivermectin is a miracle drug or that it even helps with COVID. I am not a doctor so I don't have a clue. What I do know is that his family all recovered. His parents are in their 70s and his sisters are in their 30s.

    None of them were vaccinated. Had he been vaccinated, I'm pretty sure he would have survived. I didn't trust doctors before COVID and I don't trust them now. We can all read stories all day long about other people but I know this is how it went down for this family.
    Right but this is why you don't make social and medical decisions based on anecdotes. 

    And the thing about ivectrum is two fold: first,  it was not clinically tested for COVID so it would irresponsible for the FDA to recommend such a thing.  Second,  people were self medicating and taking animal level doses,  not human. 
    I totally get that but I was just stating a story that I personally know happened. I have heard of some people taking animal level doses but none of this family ended up in the hospital due to COVID or taking too much Ivermectin. Once again, I'm not saying this is why they survived and he didn't.  It was super sad to see this guy pass away because he was a good dude.
  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited October 2021
    More and more information coming out linking COVID-19 and Alzheimer’s disease.  The correlations seem to point to specific proteins linked to both Alzheimer’s and severe cases of COVID-19.  From what I gather, it seems like if you are someone susceptible to Alzheimer’s (due to this protein), your chances of getting a severe case of COVID-19 are also higher.  
    Wouldn’t it be great if this science leads to the prevention of both, COVID-19 and Alzheimer’s!  If you have ever known anyone that lived several years with Alzheimer’s, you know how much of a blessing it would be to have a way to prevent it…
    Here is a bit of info, but very technical.  
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7571527/
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    PJPOWER said:
    More and more information coming out linking COVID-19 and Alzheimer’s disease.  The correlations seem to point to specific proteins linked to both Alzheimer’s and severe cases of COVID-19.  From what I gather, it seems like if you are someone susceptible to Alzheimer’s (due to this protein), your chances of getting a severe case of COVID-19 are also higher.  
    Wouldn’t it be great if this science leads to the prevention of both, COVID-19 and Alzheimer’s!  If you have ever known anyone that lived several years with Alzheimer’s, you know how much of a blessing it would be to have a way to prevent it…
    Here is a bit of info, but very technical.  
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7571527/
    Yes, that would definitely be a silver lining.  Doesn't make it 'worth it', but a silver lining. 
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
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