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  • mfc2006 said:
    Hospitals are filling up here as well.
    i read the MO attorney general is threatening cities that impose mask mandates. i played baseball with him in high school. he was an asshole then. i had no idea he would be this big of an asshole now. he is running for us senate next cycle. knowing MO voters they will elect him.
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  • JB16057JB16057 Posts: 1,269
    Zod said:
    The part I struggle with is overwhelming hospitals.  Maybe it's more of an issue here in Canada as our health are system was already struggling before covid.

    Say Omicron is less lethal, but spreads faster.    For arguments say it's 1/2 as lethal.   But if it's 3x more contagious it would still put more pressure on hospitals that are already at capacity.   Lower percentage of people having complications, but more people overall due to big numbers getting infected.

    I've already met people or seen them pass away because the system is full, and treatments (for things like cancer) were delayed.  

    I'm not against the let it rip theory, but at the same time, you know it's going to overload hospitals, not because omicron is less mild, but because of how fast it can spread.

    I really don't want to be the person that gets a bad case of it and the hospital has no room for me :(

    Do the hospitals not know it's only a pandemic for the unvaccinated now?  /s
    I have no doubts that every area has it's own issues but here is a news story from Washington state saying that the hospitals are full but it isn't because of COVID. https://www.king5.com/article/news/local/hospitals-full-covid-patients-washington/281-9e983f35-579d-4ed2-8eba-99631977ab90

  • JB16057JB16057 Posts: 1,269

    This is the kind of thing why people don't take COVID serious anymore.
  • JB16057 said:

    This is the kind of thing why people don't take COVID serious anymore.
    really? has nothing to do with right wing "news" and politicians constantly downplaying it? it's all because of perceived Dem hypocrisy?
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  • JB16057JB16057 Posts: 1,269
    JB16057 said:

    This is the kind of thing why people don't take COVID serious anymore.
    really? has nothing to do with right wing "news" and politicians constantly downplaying it? it's all because of perceived Dem hypocrisy?
    Both parties have played their part. This is just another fine example.
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,676
    JB16057 said:
    JB16057 said:

    This is the kind of thing why people don't take COVID serious anymore.
    really? has nothing to do with right wing "news" and politicians constantly downplaying it? it's all because of perceived Dem hypocrisy?
    Both parties have played their part. This is just another fine example.
    Why is it hypocritical to remove the mandate if 100% of attendees/employees are vaccinated?
  • JB16057JB16057 Posts: 1,269
    mrussel1 said:
    JB16057 said:
    JB16057 said:

    This is the kind of thing why people don't take COVID serious anymore.
    really? has nothing to do with right wing "news" and politicians constantly downplaying it? it's all because of perceived Dem hypocrisy?
    Both parties have played their part. This is just another fine example.
    Why is it hypocritical to remove the mandate if 100% of attendees/employees are vaccinated?
    The fully vaccinated are still catching and spreading COVID. Not to mention, this is only in San Francisco. There are plenty of other cities that have offices and gyms with people that are 100% vaccinated so it isn't fair to those busineses outside of S.F.
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,676
    JB16057 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    JB16057 said:
    JB16057 said:

    This is the kind of thing why people don't take COVID serious anymore.
    really? has nothing to do with right wing "news" and politicians constantly downplaying it? it's all because of perceived Dem hypocrisy?
    Both parties have played their part. This is just another fine example.
    Why is it hypocritical to remove the mandate if 100% of attendees/employees are vaccinated?
    The fully vaccinated are still catching and spreading COVID. Not to mention, this is only in San Francisco. There are plenty of other cities that have offices and gyms with people that are 100% vaccinated so it isn't fair to those busineses outside of S.F.
    So whatever one city council or mayor does, then all other cities in America must do, otherwise it's "not fair"?  You're kidding, right?
  • JB16057JB16057 Posts: 1,269
    mrussel1 said:
    JB16057 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    JB16057 said:
    JB16057 said:

    This is the kind of thing why people don't take COVID serious anymore.
    really? has nothing to do with right wing "news" and politicians constantly downplaying it? it's all because of perceived Dem hypocrisy?
    Both parties have played their part. This is just another fine example.
    Why is it hypocritical to remove the mandate if 100% of attendees/employees are vaccinated?
    The fully vaccinated are still catching and spreading COVID. Not to mention, this is only in San Francisco. There are plenty of other cities that have offices and gyms with people that are 100% vaccinated so it isn't fair to those busineses outside of S.F.
    So whatever one city council or mayor does, then all other cities in America must do, otherwise it's "not fair"?  You're kidding, right?
    We are talking about California, not America as a whole. What I am talking about has nothing to do with city council or a mayor.
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,676
    JB16057 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    JB16057 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    JB16057 said:
    JB16057 said:

    This is the kind of thing why people don't take COVID serious anymore.
    really? has nothing to do with right wing "news" and politicians constantly downplaying it? it's all because of perceived Dem hypocrisy?
    Both parties have played their part. This is just another fine example.
    Why is it hypocritical to remove the mandate if 100% of attendees/employees are vaccinated?
    The fully vaccinated are still catching and spreading COVID. Not to mention, this is only in San Francisco. There are plenty of other cities that have offices and gyms with people that are 100% vaccinated so it isn't fair to those busineses outside of S.F.
    So whatever one city council or mayor does, then all other cities in America must do, otherwise it's "not fair"?  You're kidding, right?
    We are talking about California, not America as a whole. What I am talking about has nothing to do with city council or a mayor.
    Well it sounds like the rule allows some latitude.  Sounds like it's more common sense than not far.  
  • JB16057JB16057 Posts: 1,269
    mrussel1 said:
    JB16057 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    JB16057 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    JB16057 said:
    JB16057 said:

    This is the kind of thing why people don't take COVID serious anymore.
    really? has nothing to do with right wing "news" and politicians constantly downplaying it? it's all because of perceived Dem hypocrisy?
    Both parties have played their part. This is just another fine example.
    Why is it hypocritical to remove the mandate if 100% of attendees/employees are vaccinated?
    The fully vaccinated are still catching and spreading COVID. Not to mention, this is only in San Francisco. There are plenty of other cities that have offices and gyms with people that are 100% vaccinated so it isn't fair to those busineses outside of S.F.
    So whatever one city council or mayor does, then all other cities in America must do, otherwise it's "not fair"?  You're kidding, right?
    We are talking about California, not America as a whole. What I am talking about has nothing to do with city council or a mayor.
    Well it sounds like the rule allows some latitude.  Sounds like it's more common sense than not far.  

    How is it common sense when the vaccinated are still catching and spreading COVID? Being 100% vaccinated doesn't mean you are safe. I know more people that have died from COVID while being full vaccinated than have died with COVID being non-vaccinated. Once again, that is only my personal experience but if this is truly a pandemic that we all need to take serious, everyone should be wearing masks indoors.
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,676
    JB16057 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    JB16057 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    JB16057 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    JB16057 said:
    JB16057 said:

    This is the kind of thing why people don't take COVID serious anymore.
    really? has nothing to do with right wing "news" and politicians constantly downplaying it? it's all because of perceived Dem hypocrisy?
    Both parties have played their part. This is just another fine example.
    Why is it hypocritical to remove the mandate if 100% of attendees/employees are vaccinated?
    The fully vaccinated are still catching and spreading COVID. Not to mention, this is only in San Francisco. There are plenty of other cities that have offices and gyms with people that are 100% vaccinated so it isn't fair to those busineses outside of S.F.
    So whatever one city council or mayor does, then all other cities in America must do, otherwise it's "not fair"?  You're kidding, right?
    We are talking about California, not America as a whole. What I am talking about has nothing to do with city council or a mayor.
    Well it sounds like the rule allows some latitude.  Sounds like it's more common sense than not far.  

    How is it common sense when the vaccinated are still catching and spreading COVID? Being 100% vaccinated doesn't mean you are safe. I know more people that have died from COVID while being full vaccinated than have died with COVID being non-vaccinated. Once again, that is only my personal experience but if this is truly a pandemic that we all need to take serious, everyone should be wearing masks indoors.
    How many people do you know that have died?  And you are saying more of them were vaccinated than unvaxxed?  Unless the numbers are 2 and 1, I'm not quite buying this statement. 
  • me neither. even if anecdotal, that stat doesn't hold up in the greater population. so it's basically meaningless. 
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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 Posts: 28,503
    My wife and I got our boosters today.  So far so good.  Fingers crossed.  
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,604
    mcgruff10 said:
    My wife and I got our boosters today.  So far so good.  Fingers crossed.  

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  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 Posts: 10,739
    https://www.cp24.com/news/feds-ask-canadians-to-avoid-travelling-internationally-1.5708657

    Feds ask Canadians to avoid travelling internationally


    Lol.   Yeah I’m sure people who got vacations booked south are giving them…nope.

    This reminds me of how when you download a new app on iPhone, it'll give you the option to "allow app to track," or "ask app not to track." In other words, the app is going to track you. 

    Me: Hey app, can you please not track me?
    App: Thanks for asking, but no, I'm going to track you. 
    No one is cancelling their vacations or holiday plans.  Why should they?  Especially if your fully vaxxed.  Lmfao.  Our federal government is incompetent.
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  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 Posts: 10,739
    Starting Monday anyone 18+ and 84 days out from their 2nd dose can get a booster.  If you had concert tickets, hockey tickets or tickets to events with capacity over 1000 these events are restricted to 50% capacity…so obviously some ticket holders will have their tickets 🎟  voided…
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  • bbiggsbbiggs Posts: 6,950
    Starting Monday anyone 18+ and 84 days out from their 2nd dose can get a booster.  If you had concert tickets, hockey tickets or tickets to events with capacity over 1000 these events are restricted to 50% capacity…so obviously some ticket holders will have their tickets 🎟  voided…
    84 days out?  That is less than 3 months.  I thought it was previously recommended to wait at least 6 months from being fully vaccinated to get a booster.  Is there now scientific evidence that shows there is a benefit to cutting that timeline by more than half?  It is dizzying to try and keep up.

  • Its  3 months here now too.
    This  omicron is sooooo contagious  my family members barely saw eachother and all positive  except my unvaccinated  17 years old
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  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 Posts: 10,739
    bbiggs said:
    Starting Monday anyone 18+ and 84 days out from their 2nd dose can get a booster.  If you had concert tickets, hockey tickets or tickets to events with capacity over 1000 these events are restricted to 50% capacity…so obviously some ticket holders will have their tickets 🎟  voided…
    84 days out?  That is less than 3 months.  I thought it was previously recommended to wait at least 6 months from being fully vaccinated to get a booster.  Is there now scientific evidence that shows there is a benefit to cutting that timeline by more than half?  It is dizzying to try and keep up.

    In this case science has been replaced by fear…

    in Ontario’s case it is only about ICU capacity.  Province of 14.5 million has the ICU capacity of less than 500…

    personally I think the unvaccinated should a) pay for their own Covid treatment or b) they should be treated in military field hospitals
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  • benjsbenjs Posts: 9,150
    bbiggs said:
    Starting Monday anyone 18+ and 84 days out from their 2nd dose can get a booster.  If you had concert tickets, hockey tickets or tickets to events with capacity over 1000 these events are restricted to 50% capacity…so obviously some ticket holders will have their tickets 🎟  voided…
    84 days out?  That is less than 3 months.  I thought it was previously recommended to wait at least 6 months from being fully vaccinated to get a booster.  Is there now scientific evidence that shows there is a benefit to cutting that timeline by more than half?  It is dizzying to try and keep up.

    In this case science has been replaced by fear…

    in Ontario’s case it is only about ICU capacity.  Province of 14.5 million has the ICU capacity of less than 500…

    personally I think the unvaccinated should a) pay for their own Covid treatment or b) they should be treated in military field hospitals
    Science replaced by fear? Omicron has substantial greater transmissibility and marginally less severity, and is showing rampant spread in the province. Only an idiot wouldn't be planning mitigation strategies in light of those facts (i.e. science-based decision making).

    On the 'fend for yourself' approach, unless this particular government action becomes commonplace in numerous regions, what politician is going to advocate for that in our socialist-leaning country? Seems a sure way to lose a re-election.
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    Unnecessary disruption and chaos': Travel sector livid as Ottawa issues new advisory


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  • mfc2006mfc2006 Posts: 37,447
    mfc2006 said:
    Hospitals are filling up here as well.
    i read the MO attorney general is threatening cities that impose mask mandates. i played baseball with him in high school. he was an asshole then. i had no idea he would be this big of an asshole now. he is running for us senate next cycle. knowing MO voters they will elect him.
    They sure will. Fucking ridiculous.
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  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 Posts: 10,739
    benjs said:
    bbiggs said:
    Starting Monday anyone 18+ and 84 days out from their 2nd dose can get a booster.  If you had concert tickets, hockey tickets or tickets to events with capacity over 1000 these events are restricted to 50% capacity…so obviously some ticket holders will have their tickets 🎟  voided…
    84 days out?  That is less than 3 months.  I thought it was previously recommended to wait at least 6 months from being fully vaccinated to get a booster.  Is there now scientific evidence that shows there is a benefit to cutting that timeline by more than half?  It is dizzying to try and keep up.

    In this case science has been replaced by fear…

    in Ontario’s case it is only about ICU capacity.  Province of 14.5 million has the ICU capacity of less than 500…

    personally I think the unvaccinated should a) pay for their own Covid treatment or b) they should be treated in military field hospitals
    Science replaced by fear? Omicron has substantial greater transmissibility and marginally less severity, and is showing rampant spread in the province. Only an idiot wouldn't be planning mitigation strategies in light of those facts (i.e. science-based decision making).

    On the 'fend for yourself' approach, unless this particular government action becomes commonplace in numerous regions, what politician is going to advocate for that in our socialist-leaning country? Seems a sure way to lose a re-election.
    What other countries are 3rd dosing people in less than 90 days.

    The government is so damn concerned about us test they would not not mandate health or education workers get vaccinated?  You know, a place where many unvaccinated tend to be.  

    i wondered if there was still people who bought the bullshit line that the politicians use “we got your backl”
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  • benjsbenjs Posts: 9,150
    benjs said:
    bbiggs said:
    Starting Monday anyone 18+ and 84 days out from their 2nd dose can get a booster.  If you had concert tickets, hockey tickets or tickets to events with capacity over 1000 these events are restricted to 50% capacity…so obviously some ticket holders will have their tickets 🎟  voided…
    84 days out?  That is less than 3 months.  I thought it was previously recommended to wait at least 6 months from being fully vaccinated to get a booster.  Is there now scientific evidence that shows there is a benefit to cutting that timeline by more than half?  It is dizzying to try and keep up.

    In this case science has been replaced by fear…

    in Ontario’s case it is only about ICU capacity.  Province of 14.5 million has the ICU capacity of less than 500…

    personally I think the unvaccinated should a) pay for their own Covid treatment or b) they should be treated in military field hospitals
    Science replaced by fear? Omicron has substantial greater transmissibility and marginally less severity, and is showing rampant spread in the province. Only an idiot wouldn't be planning mitigation strategies in light of those facts (i.e. science-based decision making).

    On the 'fend for yourself' approach, unless this particular government action becomes commonplace in numerous regions, what politician is going to advocate for that in our socialist-leaning country? Seems a sure way to lose a re-election.
    What other countries are 3rd dosing people in less than 90 days.

    The government is so damn concerned about us test they would not not mandate health or education workers get vaccinated?  You know, a place where many unvaccinated tend to be.  

    i wondered if there was still people who bought the bullshit line that the politicians use “we got your backl”
    Just above your post, lastexit posted that the UK have shifted to 3-months for a 3rd dose. Also happens to be a similar pattern - think that's a coincidence?

    On the health and education workers - I agree that there should be vaccine mandates for them. I also understand the apprehension, because if enough of those cohorts refuse to get vaccinated, it puts an undue burden on those who remain eligible to work. This must be figured out as soon as humanly possible.

    Finally, on your insinuation that I have my head in the sand - I'm not one to naively believe that governments want what's best for us 100% of the time, but I'm also not one to naively believe that if the government just listened to what I said, that everything would be better. Your evaluation of the situation is untrue - the actions being taken are science-driven, in spite of the fact that you disagree with them. Your evaluation on what should happen is unrealistic, as it goes against the incentives that exist for politicians.

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  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 Posts: 10,739
    benjs said:
    benjs said:
    bbiggs said:
    Starting Monday anyone 18+ and 84 days out from their 2nd dose can get a booster.  If you had concert tickets, hockey tickets or tickets to events with capacity over 1000 these events are restricted to 50% capacity…so obviously some ticket holders will have their tickets 🎟  voided…
    84 days out?  That is less than 3 months.  I thought it was previously recommended to wait at least 6 months from being fully vaccinated to get a booster.  Is there now scientific evidence that shows there is a benefit to cutting that timeline by more than half?  It is dizzying to try and keep up.

    In this case science has been replaced by fear…

    in Ontario’s case it is only about ICU capacity.  Province of 14.5 million has the ICU capacity of less than 500…

    personally I think the unvaccinated should a) pay for their own Covid treatment or b) they should be treated in military field hospitals
    Science replaced by fear? Omicron has substantial greater transmissibility and marginally less severity, and is showing rampant spread in the province. Only an idiot wouldn't be planning mitigation strategies in light of those facts (i.e. science-based decision making).

    On the 'fend for yourself' approach, unless this particular government action becomes commonplace in numerous regions, what politician is going to advocate for that in our socialist-leaning country? Seems a sure way to lose a re-election.
    What other countries are 3rd dosing people in less than 90 days.

    The government is so damn concerned about us test they would not not mandate health or education workers get vaccinated?  You know, a place where many unvaccinated tend to be.  

    i wondered if there was still people who bought the bullshit line that the politicians use “we got your backl”
    Just above your post, lastexit posted that the UK have shifted to 3-months for a 3rd dose. Also happens to be a similar pattern - think that's a coincidence?

    On the health and education workers - I agree that there should be vaccine mandates for them. I also understand the apprehension, because if enough of those cohorts refuse to get vaccinated, it puts an undue burden on those who remain eligible to work. This must be figured out as soon as humanly possible.

    Finally, on your insinuation that I have my head in the sand - I'm not one to naively believe that governments want what's best for us 100% of the time, but I'm also not one to naively believe that if the government just listened to what I said, that everything would be better. Your evaluation of the situation is untrue - the actions being taken are science-driven, in spite of the fact that you disagree with them. Your evaluation on what should happen is unrealistic, as it goes against the incentives that exist for politicians.

    It’s all about protecting our pathetic underfunded healthcare.  Nothing more…and the UK likely has the same underfunded system…


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  • bbiggsbbiggs Posts: 6,950
    I understand that there is greater transmissibility with Omicron, but have there been studies that show a booster taken at 3 months offers a greater level of protection than a booster taken at 6 months? 
  • bbiggs said:
    I understand that there is greater transmissibility with Omicron, but have there been studies that show a booster taken at 3 months offers a greater level of protection than a booster taken at 6 months? 
    not sure but I just heard a recommendation that if you are two months out from receiving the J&J vaccine you should get a Pfizer or Moderna booster.
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