When will we hear anything about tour rescheduling?

10LordsALeaping

People who won't get the vaccine shouldn't be allowed to go to large public events.  Why allow ignorant and stupid behavior.  It's those who won't get the vaccine that are variant factories.

My wife is a nurse and the vaccine refusal idiocy is single-handedly keeping us locked in this Covid loop.

In regards to that "third bullet" there is a huge uptick in hospitalizations, so they are getting sick somewhere.  There is a decent chance it was at a large public event, maybe concerts, sports, or christian churches where an abnormal amount of those people are not vaccinated.

Weston1283

The silence gets weirder and less related to Covid by the day.  The entire country has essentially been maskless and restrictions less for 6 weeks + now and like someone said, there have been sporting events and concerts, both indoors and outdoors, without any issue.

While the Delta variant could be of concern to some, the fact still remains that vaccines are effective against this.

Also, while the Delta variant may be the most common cause of COVID at the moment, its important to look at how low total case numbers and deaths remain today.  The fact that numbers are this low AFTER 6 weeks of running wild and free, I dont think its really ever going to get better (or worse in my opinion)

Im not saying they're breaking up, thats obviously not the case as theyre playing a festival in two months.  But something weird is going on internally, maybe something personal that the fans dont and shouldn't know about.  I dont know.  But, there is literally no other reason for the complete and total silence at this point.

JimmyV

I would love to be a fly on the wall when this band and their management team discuss tour plans. 

Weston1283

10LordsALeaping said:

People who won't get the vaccine shouldn't be allowed to go to large public events.  Why allow ignorant and stupid behavior.  It's those who won't get the vaccine that are variant factories.

My wife is a nurse and the vaccine refusal idiocy is single-handedly keeping us locked in this Covid loop.

In regards to that "third bullet" there is a huge uptick in hospitalizations, so they are getting sick somewhere.  There is a decent chance it was at a large public event, maybe concerts, sports, or christian churches where an abnormal amount of those people are not vaccinated.

Not sure I would call this a "huge" uptick in hospitalizations.  It is also of note that almost all of these cases are in unvaccinated individuals and in "red" states, especially Arkansas which has a 35% vaccination rate

10LordsALeaping

I don't want to get bogged down in descriptors, but there is an uptick nonetheless and it's as you said in red states with unfortunate low vaccine rates. 

Some of the rooms at my wife's hospital were converted back to 'normal' rooms and now they had to reconvert them to Covid rooms, again.  It's not good. 

Matts3221

NewJPage said:

Zod said:

NewJPage said:

pjhawks said:

NewJPage said:

Seeing how the numbers are blowing up again in a lot of places, I wouldn't hold my breath. I for one would rather they get back in the studio as they are clearly in no rush, which I totally understand. 

Except almost all new cases in America are those not vaccinated. Just require vaccinations for entry and reschedule the dates

Vaccine is 63% effective against Delta, which is what is spreading like crazy. #s of vaccinated that are covid + is increasing substantially. Still quite effective against hospitalization/death, but vaccinated are spreading covid

I though I read that pfizer (and I suppose by proxy) Moderna, were something like 88 or 87% effective against Delta (two weeks after the 2nd shot)?  It's the Astrazeneca that' is 60 something percent, but that one wasn't used in America?

I think it was always known that vaccine people could be asymptomatic, but still spread the virus.

This is going to make tough decisions.  Do you do concerts for only people with vaccines, do you say fuck it, and play them anyway, and the people not getting vaccines can do as they will..  I dunno.   If the vaccines aren't able to return to normal, at what point do we give up?

Israel is at 63% and it used Pfizer. 42 states are seeing increasing cases...give it a week and it will be all 50.

As for your 2nd point, covid is likely here forever. If we can get the deniers on board it will make things semi normal. 

A lot of scientist are questioning the Israel numbers and want a peer reviewed study on the delta variant study of 63% effectiveness but for some reason Israel is not  share the data.

I want to see more evidence , also cases rising can be seen as an issue in the south and thru Texas with very low vaccination rates. 33% of all new cases are coming from just five states ( Florida , Louisiana , Arkansas , Missouri and Nevada. I think right now we are getting ahead of ourselves. My state saw an uptick in cases last week , our whole state went from 177 cases to 186 cases so increases of less than 10 in a single state is not like the winter when 200K cases a day were coming in.

Not to say we don't have a while too go but I also think as or right now the Delta variant is something I am only concerned about with unvaccinated , I still wear a mask when I grocery shop and I had both Pfizer shots in April.

Maybe being in New England is different as I think all of our states are in the top 10 of vaccinated residents.   

Weston1283

Matts3221 said:

NewJPage said:

Zod said:

NewJPage said:

pjhawks said:

NewJPage said:

Seeing how the numbers are blowing up again in a lot of places, I wouldn't hold my breath. I for one would rather they get back in the studio as they are clearly in no rush, which I totally understand. 

Except almost all new cases in America are those not vaccinated. Just require vaccinations for entry and reschedule the dates

Vaccine is 63% effective against Delta, which is what is spreading like crazy. #s of vaccinated that are covid + is increasing substantially. Still quite effective against hospitalization/death, but vaccinated are spreading covid

I though I read that pfizer (and I suppose by proxy) Moderna, were something like 88 or 87% effective against Delta (two weeks after the 2nd shot)?  It's the Astrazeneca that' is 60 something percent, but that one wasn't used in America?

I think it was always known that vaccine people could be asymptomatic, but still spread the virus.

This is going to make tough decisions.  Do you do concerts for only people with vaccines, do you say fuck it, and play them anyway, and the people not getting vaccines can do as they will..  I dunno.   If the vaccines aren't able to return to normal, at what point do we give up?

Israel is at 63% and it used Pfizer. 42 states are seeing increasing cases...give it a week and it will be all 50.

As for your 2nd point, covid is likely here forever. If we can get the deniers on board it will make things semi normal. 

A lot of scientist are questioning the Israel numbers and want a peer reviewed study on the delta variant study of 63% effectiveness but for some reason Israel is not  share the data.

I want to see more evidence , also cases rising can be seen as an issue in the south and thru Texas with very low vaccination rates. 33% of all new cases are coming from just five states ( Florida , Louisiana , Arkansas , Missouri and Nevada. I think right now we are getting ahead of ourselves. My state saw an uptick in cases last week , our whole state went from 177 cases to 186 cases so increases of less than 10 in a single state is not like the winter when 200K cases a day were coming in.

Not to say we don't have a while too go but I also think as or right now the Delta variant is something I am only concerned about with unvaccinated , I still wear a mask when I grocery shop and I had both Pfizer shots in April.

Maybe being in New England is different as I think all of our states are in the top 10 of vaccinated residents.   

Agreed.  The delta variant should make unvaccinated people very concerned about their own health, but for the vaccinated people, I wouldn't worry about it for a second

Unfortunately, the media is making it sound way worse than it actually is (not surprising)

Again, the case numbers and death numbers for us being completely open for 6 weeks should make everyone feel great about coronavirus.  We are moving and continue to move forward with this, regardless of what the media says.  Let me know when we get back to even approaching the December-January numbers and ill come back here, say we f****d up and that I was wrong.  

10LordsALeaping

Weston1283 said:

Matts3221 said:

NewJPage said:

Zod said:

NewJPage said:

pjhawks said:

NewJPage said:

Seeing how the numbers are blowing up again in a lot of places, I wouldn't hold my breath. I for one would rather they get back in the studio as they are clearly in no rush, which I totally understand. 

Except almost all new cases in America are those not vaccinated. Just require vaccinations for entry and reschedule the dates

Vaccine is 63% effective against Delta, which is what is spreading like crazy. #s of vaccinated that are covid + is increasing substantially. Still quite effective against hospitalization/death, but vaccinated are spreading covid

I though I read that pfizer (and I suppose by proxy) Moderna, were something like 88 or 87% effective against Delta (two weeks after the 2nd shot)?  It's the Astrazeneca that' is 60 something percent, but that one wasn't used in America?

I think it was always known that vaccine people could be asymptomatic, but still spread the virus.

This is going to make tough decisions.  Do you do concerts for only people with vaccines, do you say fuck it, and play them anyway, and the people not getting vaccines can do as they will..  I dunno.   If the vaccines aren't able to return to normal, at what point do we give up?

Israel is at 63% and it used Pfizer. 42 states are seeing increasing cases...give it a week and it will be all 50.

As for your 2nd point, covid is likely here forever. If we can get the deniers on board it will make things semi normal. 

A lot of scientist are questioning the Israel numbers and want a peer reviewed study on the delta variant study of 63% effectiveness but for some reason Israel is not  share the data.

I want to see more evidence , also cases rising can be seen as an issue in the south and thru Texas with very low vaccination rates. 33% of all new cases are coming from just five states ( Florida , Louisiana , Arkansas , Missouri and Nevada. I think right now we are getting ahead of ourselves. My state saw an uptick in cases last week , our whole state went from 177 cases to 186 cases so increases of less than 10 in a single state is not like the winter when 200K cases a day were coming in.

Not to say we don't have a while too go but I also think as or right now the Delta variant is something I am only concerned about with unvaccinated , I still wear a mask when I grocery shop and I had both Pfizer shots in April.

Maybe being in New England is different as I think all of our states are in the top 10 of vaccinated residents.   

Agreed.  The delta variant should make unvaccinated people very concerned about their own health, but for the vaccinated people, I wouldn't worry about it for a second

Unfortunately, the media is making it sound way worse than it actually is (not surprising)

Again, the case numbers and death numbers for us being completely open for 6 weeks should make everyone feel great about coronavirus.  We are moving and continue to move forward with this, regardless of what the media says.  Let me know when we get back to even approaching the December-January numbers and ill come back here, say we f****d up and that I was wrong.  

I like how "the media" is being blamed.  People should be scared because as this goes on more variants will pop up and it will be because of the unvaccinated.

If any media should shoulder the blame it's Fox news, OAN, and other conservative outlets for downplaying this death disaster.

Weston1283

10LordsALeaping said:

Weston1283 said:

Matts3221 said:

NewJPage said:

Zod said:

NewJPage said:

pjhawks said:

NewJPage said:

Seeing how the numbers are blowing up again in a lot of places, I wouldn't hold my breath. I for one would rather they get back in the studio as they are clearly in no rush, which I totally understand. 

Except almost all new cases in America are those not vaccinated. Just require vaccinations for entry and reschedule the dates

Vaccine is 63% effective against Delta, which is what is spreading like crazy. #s of vaccinated that are covid + is increasing substantially. Still quite effective against hospitalization/death, but vaccinated are spreading covid

I though I read that pfizer (and I suppose by proxy) Moderna, were something like 88 or 87% effective against Delta (two weeks after the 2nd shot)?  It's the Astrazeneca that' is 60 something percent, but that one wasn't used in America?

I think it was always known that vaccine people could be asymptomatic, but still spread the virus.

This is going to make tough decisions.  Do you do concerts for only people with vaccines, do you say fuck it, and play them anyway, and the people not getting vaccines can do as they will..  I dunno.   If the vaccines aren't able to return to normal, at what point do we give up?

Israel is at 63% and it used Pfizer. 42 states are seeing increasing cases...give it a week and it will be all 50.

As for your 2nd point, covid is likely here forever. If we can get the deniers on board it will make things semi normal. 

A lot of scientist are questioning the Israel numbers and want a peer reviewed study on the delta variant study of 63% effectiveness but for some reason Israel is not  share the data.

I want to see more evidence , also cases rising can be seen as an issue in the south and thru Texas with very low vaccination rates. 33% of all new cases are coming from just five states ( Florida , Louisiana , Arkansas , Missouri and Nevada. I think right now we are getting ahead of ourselves. My state saw an uptick in cases last week , our whole state went from 177 cases to 186 cases so increases of less than 10 in a single state is not like the winter when 200K cases a day were coming in.

Not to say we don't have a while too go but I also think as or right now the Delta variant is something I am only concerned about with unvaccinated , I still wear a mask when I grocery shop and I had both Pfizer shots in April.

Maybe being in New England is different as I think all of our states are in the top 10 of vaccinated residents.   

Agreed.  The delta variant should make unvaccinated people very concerned about their own health, but for the vaccinated people, I wouldn't worry about it for a second

Unfortunately, the media is making it sound way worse than it actually is (not surprising)

Again, the case numbers and death numbers for us being completely open for 6 weeks should make everyone feel great about coronavirus.  We are moving and continue to move forward with this, regardless of what the media says.  Let me know when we get back to even approaching the December-January numbers and ill come back here, say we f****d up and that I was wrong.  

I like how "the media" is being blamed.  People should be scared because as this goes on more variants will pop up and it will be because of the unvaccinated.

If any media should shoulder the blame it's Fox news, OAN, and other conservative outlets for downplaying this death disaster.

Variants were always going to pop up.  COVID was never going away.  Total eradication was never an option.  The unvaccinated are an insufferable crowd, I'm not arguing with you there.  But from the moment COVID became real, it became a part of our lives forever.  

And yes, I think the media tends to make things appear worse than they are all the time, not just covid related issues.  

NewJPage

Matts3221 said:

NewJPage said:

Zod said:

NewJPage said:

pjhawks said:

NewJPage said:

Seeing how the numbers are blowing up again in a lot of places, I wouldn't hold my breath. I for one would rather they get back in the studio as they are clearly in no rush, which I totally understand. 

Except almost all new cases in America are those not vaccinated. Just require vaccinations for entry and reschedule the dates

Vaccine is 63% effective against Delta, which is what is spreading like crazy. #s of vaccinated that are covid + is increasing substantially. Still quite effective against hospitalization/death, but vaccinated are spreading covid

I though I read that pfizer (and I suppose by proxy) Moderna, were something like 88 or 87% effective against Delta (two weeks after the 2nd shot)?  It's the Astrazeneca that' is 60 something percent, but that one wasn't used in America?

I think it was always known that vaccine people could be asymptomatic, but still spread the virus.

This is going to make tough decisions.  Do you do concerts for only people with vaccines, do you say fuck it, and play them anyway, and the people not getting vaccines can do as they will..  I dunno.   If the vaccines aren't able to return to normal, at what point do we give up?

Israel is at 63% and it used Pfizer. 42 states are seeing increasing cases...give it a week and it will be all 50.

As for your 2nd point, covid is likely here forever. If we can get the deniers on board it will make things semi normal. 

A lot of scientist are questioning the Israel numbers and want a peer reviewed study on the delta variant study of 63% effectiveness but for some reason Israel is not  share the data.

I want to see more evidence , also cases rising can be seen as an issue in the south and thru Texas with very low vaccination rates. 33% of all new cases are coming from just five states ( Florida , Louisiana , Arkansas , Missouri and Nevada. I think right now we are getting ahead of ourselves. My state saw an uptick in cases last week , our whole state went from 177 cases to 186 cases so increases of less than 10 in a single state is not like the winter when 200K cases a day were coming in.

Not to say we don't have a while too go but I also think as or right now the Delta variant is something I am only concerned about with unvaccinated , I still wear a mask when I grocery shop and I had both Pfizer shots in April.

Maybe being in New England is different as I think all of our states are in the top 10 of vaccinated residents.   

All nice points.

10LordsALeaping

Weston1283 said:

10LordsALeaping said:

Weston1283 said:

Matts3221 said:

NewJPage said:

Zod said:

NewJPage said:

pjhawks said:

NewJPage said:

Seeing how the numbers are blowing up again in a lot of places, I wouldn't hold my breath. I for one would rather they get back in the studio as they are clearly in no rush, which I totally understand. 

Except almost all new cases in America are those not vaccinated. Just require vaccinations for entry and reschedule the dates

Vaccine is 63% effective against Delta, which is what is spreading like crazy. #s of vaccinated that are covid + is increasing substantially. Still quite effective against hospitalization/death, but vaccinated are spreading covid

I though I read that pfizer (and I suppose by proxy) Moderna, were something like 88 or 87% effective against Delta (two weeks after the 2nd shot)?  It's the Astrazeneca that' is 60 something percent, but that one wasn't used in America?

I think it was always known that vaccine people could be asymptomatic, but still spread the virus.

This is going to make tough decisions.  Do you do concerts for only people with vaccines, do you say fuck it, and play them anyway, and the people not getting vaccines can do as they will..  I dunno.   If the vaccines aren't able to return to normal, at what point do we give up?

Israel is at 63% and it used Pfizer. 42 states are seeing increasing cases...give it a week and it will be all 50.

As for your 2nd point, covid is likely here forever. If we can get the deniers on board it will make things semi normal. 

A lot of scientist are questioning the Israel numbers and want a peer reviewed study on the delta variant study of 63% effectiveness but for some reason Israel is not  share the data.

I want to see more evidence , also cases rising can be seen as an issue in the south and thru Texas with very low vaccination rates. 33% of all new cases are coming from just five states ( Florida , Louisiana , Arkansas , Missouri and Nevada. I think right now we are getting ahead of ourselves. My state saw an uptick in cases last week , our whole state went from 177 cases to 186 cases so increases of less than 10 in a single state is not like the winter when 200K cases a day were coming in.

Not to say we don't have a while too go but I also think as or right now the Delta variant is something I am only concerned about with unvaccinated , I still wear a mask when I grocery shop and I had both Pfizer shots in April.

Maybe being in New England is different as I think all of our states are in the top 10 of vaccinated residents.   

Agreed.  The delta variant should make unvaccinated people very concerned about their own health, but for the vaccinated people, I wouldn't worry about it for a second

Unfortunately, the media is making it sound way worse than it actually is (not surprising)

Again, the case numbers and death numbers for us being completely open for 6 weeks should make everyone feel great about coronavirus.  We are moving and continue to move forward with this, regardless of what the media says.  Let me know when we get back to even approaching the December-January numbers and ill come back here, say we f****d up and that I was wrong.  

I like how "the media" is being blamed.  People should be scared because as this goes on more variants will pop up and it will be because of the unvaccinated.

If any media should shoulder the blame it's Fox news, OAN, and other conservative outlets for downplaying this death disaster.

Variants were always going to pop up.  COVID was never going away.  Total eradication was never an option.  The unvaccinated are an insufferable crowd, I'm not arguing with you there.  But from the moment COVID became real, it became a part of our lives forever.  

And yes, I think the media tends to make things appear worse than they are all the time, not just covid related issues.  

I do not disagree.  The variant thing is of course true, but they are going to exacerbate it to the umpteenth degree.  I just find this whole thing paradoxical because we all want to get back to 'normal', whatever that even means anymore, but they are doing everything in their power to complicate that. 

This hits everyone in such a personal way.  Me, because of my wife being a nurse and my father-in-law is in that "crowd".  The 3 of us are supposedly going to a concert in December.  Some tough conversations are going to be had and it sucks.

If anything, it's conservative media that's bad making everything in this country worse by creating fear and spreading ridiculous false propaganda.

We have to lighten the mood.

 

Merkin Baller

Zod said:

I understand PJ being cautious.  It probably weighs on them what happened at Roskilde

Agreed. 

Lost In Ohio

on2legs said:

PureandEasy said:

It would certainly be welcome if they announced rescheduled dates prior to the end of the year; some of us have been holding on to airline tickets that are due to expire at the end of 2021.  I don't know that I can get AA to extend my tickets beyond 2021.  I believe I'm good as long as I schedule flights before December 31, 2021.  I still have TM tix to both LA shows.  If these are not announced by the end of the year, I will plan another vacation and probably have to sell my LA tix.  

The airline situation is a legitimate concern.  You may want to email that info to the ten club… you never know but it might cause them to make an announcement sooner rather later knowing so many people are probably in a similar position with the way fans travel for these shows.  Here’s hoping you get some news soon so you can book your flights. 

I can just imagine the 10C response being something about how 10C isn't responsible for travel and fans from far-away cities make travel plans full-well knowing that anything can happen.

Buyer beware, as they say.

wsimon74

I apologize if this has been said already, but if the reasoning for the delay is because they are waiting for Covid to be eliminated, why are they doing SHN and Ohana? I get they are outside, but from my experience, during the performances, people are packed in like sardines,  there certainly is no level of social distancing, and it is a fairly significant crowd.   

Get_Right

When the new dates are confirmed we will get an announcement.  Could be tomorrow, could be December, and it could be April. It's not complicated. I know it is fun to speculate what they are planning but this band has never shared that information, other than big, bold and free We all know how that went.

mace1229

Weston1283 said:

The silence gets weirder and less related to Covid by the day.  The entire country has essentially been maskless and restrictions less for 6 weeks + now and like someone said, there have been sporting events and concerts, both indoors and outdoors, without any issue.

While the Delta variant could be of concern to some, the fact still remains that vaccines are effective against this.

Also, while the Delta variant may be the most common cause of COVID at the moment, its important to look at how low total case numbers and deaths remain today.  The fact that numbers are this low AFTER 6 weeks of running wild and free, I dont think its really ever going to get better (or worse in my opinion)

Im not saying they're breaking up, thats obviously not the case as theyre playing a festival in two months.  But something weird is going on internally, maybe something personal that the fans dont and shouldn't know about.  I dont know.  But, there is literally no other reason for the complete and total silence at this point.

They’ve been a part-time band for the better part of 10 years. Not hearing anything yet doesn’t mean anything.

cblock4life

It seems to me that most of you are in your late 30’s to early 50’s.  I may be totally wrong, it’s just a guess.  I think I saw a breakdown of members and there weren’t many over 55, but you’ve got to know that at 58, 59, 60 years things don’t work the same. I don’t care if you’re in the best shape ever….why is it no one takes their age into account?  Unless you’re around their age (I am) you might not realize how they may feel everyday.  Yes, once we get moving we’re fine but nothing about your body at 60 is the same anymore. My brain still thinks I’m thirty but my body is 60! 

LeafsJaysCubsRaptorsFan

Orange County is now back in the high-risk category, according to the CDC. In the conference, Demings said the following in response: “I am announcing today that it is my official recommendation that Orange County return to the status in which it is recommended that all residents, vaccinated and unvaccinated, consider wearing facial coverings indoors when in crowded environments.” This is Florida not California for those wondering 

Spunkie

10LordsALeaping said:

Weston1283 said:

Matts3221 said:

NewJPage said:

Zod said:

NewJPage said:

pjhawks said:

NewJPage said:

Seeing how the numbers are blowing up again in a lot of places, I wouldn't hold my breath. I for one would rather they get back in the studio as they are clearly in no rush, which I totally understand. 

Except almost all new cases in America are those not vaccinated. Just require vaccinations for entry and reschedule the dates

Vaccine is 63% effective against Delta, which is what is spreading like crazy. #s of vaccinated that are covid + is increasing substantially. Still quite effective against hospitalization/death, but vaccinated are spreading covid

I though I read that pfizer (and I suppose by proxy) Moderna, were something like 88 or 87% effective against Delta (two weeks after the 2nd shot)?  It's the Astrazeneca that' is 60 something percent, but that one wasn't used in America?

I think it was always known that vaccine people could be asymptomatic, but still spread the virus.

This is going to make tough decisions.  Do you do concerts for only people with vaccines, do you say fuck it, and play them anyway, and the people not getting vaccines can do as they will..  I dunno.   If the vaccines aren't able to return to normal, at what point do we give up?

Israel is at 63% and it used Pfizer. 42 states are seeing increasing cases...give it a week and it will be all 50.

As for your 2nd point, covid is likely here forever. If we can get the deniers on board it will make things semi normal. 

A lot of scientist are questioning the Israel numbers and want a peer reviewed study on the delta variant study of 63% effectiveness but for some reason Israel is not  share the data.

I want to see more evidence , also cases rising can be seen as an issue in the south and thru Texas with very low vaccination rates. 33% of all new cases are coming from just five states ( Florida , Louisiana , Arkansas , Missouri and Nevada. I think right now we are getting ahead of ourselves. My state saw an uptick in cases last week , our whole state went from 177 cases to 186 cases so increases of less than 10 in a single state is not like the winter when 200K cases a day were coming in.

Not to say we don't have a while too go but I also think as or right now the Delta variant is something I am only concerned about with unvaccinated , I still wear a mask when I grocery shop and I had both Pfizer shots in April.

Maybe being in New England is different as I think all of our states are in the top 10 of vaccinated residents.   

Agreed.  The delta variant should make unvaccinated people very concerned about their own health, but for the vaccinated people, I wouldn't worry about it for a second

Unfortunately, the media is making it sound way worse than it actually is (not surprising)

Again, the case numbers and death numbers for us being completely open for 6 weeks should make everyone feel great about coronavirus.  We are moving and continue to move forward with this, regardless of what the media says.  Let me know when we get back to even approaching the December-January numbers and ill come back here, say we f****d up and that I was wrong.  

I like how "the media" is being blamed.  People should be scared because as this goes on more variants will pop up and it will be because of the unvaccinated.

If any media should shoulder the blame it's Fox news, OAN, and other conservative outlets for downplaying this death disaster.

I think it is important to bear in mind that most of the unvaccinated populations where lambda and delta (plus) were born are in countries that do not have access to vaccinations due to INEQUITY. The US seems to use vaccination status for yet more division.

Are bands going to move forward with having crowds "fully vaccinated" when booster shots are the norm? What is our role and ethical obligation to other countries who are NOT getting vaccines when we move in to round three? 

10LordsALeaping

tish said:

10LordsALeaping said:

Weston1283 said:

Matts3221 said:

NewJPage said:

Zod said:

NewJPage said:

pjhawks said:

NewJPage said:

Seeing how the numbers are blowing up again in a lot of places, I wouldn't hold my breath. I for one would rather they get back in the studio as they are clearly in no rush, which I totally understand. 

Except almost all new cases in America are those not vaccinated. Just require vaccinations for entry and reschedule the dates

Vaccine is 63% effective against Delta, which is what is spreading like crazy. #s of vaccinated that are covid + is increasing substantially. Still quite effective against hospitalization/death, but vaccinated are spreading covid

I though I read that pfizer (and I suppose by proxy) Moderna, were something like 88 or 87% effective against Delta (two weeks after the 2nd shot)?  It's the Astrazeneca that' is 60 something percent, but that one wasn't used in America?

I think it was always known that vaccine people could be asymptomatic, but still spread the virus.

This is going to make tough decisions.  Do you do concerts for only people with vaccines, do you say fuck it, and play them anyway, and the people not getting vaccines can do as they will..  I dunno.   If the vaccines aren't able to return to normal, at what point do we give up?

Israel is at 63% and it used Pfizer. 42 states are seeing increasing cases...give it a week and it will be all 50.

As for your 2nd point, covid is likely here forever. If we can get the deniers on board it will make things semi normal. 

A lot of scientist are questioning the Israel numbers and want a peer reviewed study on the delta variant study of 63% effectiveness but for some reason Israel is not  share the data.

I want to see more evidence , also cases rising can be seen as an issue in the south and thru Texas with very low vaccination rates. 33% of all new cases are coming from just five states ( Florida , Louisiana , Arkansas , Missouri and Nevada. I think right now we are getting ahead of ourselves. My state saw an uptick in cases last week , our whole state went from 177 cases to 186 cases so increases of less than 10 in a single state is not like the winter when 200K cases a day were coming in.

Not to say we don't have a while too go but I also think as or right now the Delta variant is something I am only concerned about with unvaccinated , I still wear a mask when I grocery shop and I had both Pfizer shots in April.

Maybe being in New England is different as I think all of our states are in the top 10 of vaccinated residents.   

Agreed.  The delta variant should make unvaccinated people very concerned about their own health, but for the vaccinated people, I wouldn't worry about it for a second

Unfortunately, the media is making it sound way worse than it actually is (not surprising)

Again, the case numbers and death numbers for us being completely open for 6 weeks should make everyone feel great about coronavirus.  We are moving and continue to move forward with this, regardless of what the media says.  Let me know when we get back to even approaching the December-January numbers and ill come back here, say we f****d up and that I was wrong.  

I like how "the media" is being blamed.  People should be scared because as this goes on more variants will pop up and it will be because of the unvaccinated.

If any media should shoulder the blame it's Fox news, OAN, and other conservative outlets for downplaying this death disaster.

I think it is important to bear in mind that most of the unvaccinated populations where lambda and delta (plus) were born are in countries that do not have access to vaccinations due to INEQUITY. The US seems to use vaccination status for yet more division.

Are bands going to move forward with having crowds "fully vaccinated" when booster shots are the norm? What is our role and ethical obligation to other countries who are NOT getting vaccines when we move in to round three? 

I can appreciate that.  No one should place blame on people who do not have access to vaccines.  It doesn't discount variants may still be born from our unvaccinated populations and at the very least will circulate with devastating results.  One can reason that a country with full and free access puts other countries in danger with their careless, immoral, unethical, and just plain wrong vaccine refusal.  I can only imagine how many people in this world wished they could receive a vaccine and it probably blows their mind anyone would turn it down.  There is no good reason to not get vaccinated if it is offered, available, and free.

In the U.S., bands should move forward with fully vaccinated shows.  Bad behavior (vaccine refusal) shouldn't be rewarded because they put everyone at risk.

Without a doubt, everyone in the world should have access to our vaccines.  It's horrifically sad that's not the case.