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cincybearcat

Lerxst1992 said:

njhaley1 said:

cincybearcat said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

tbergs said:

mace1229 said:

tbergs said:

mace1229 said:

Thats not what free speech is. You can't celebrate or openly mock the cold murder of someone and expect your employer to be okay with that. That's not what free speech is. 

Did Kimmel mock the murder?

No. But that question was plural and has been asked here since before Kimmel got suspended. Of all the other people, teachers, analysts, anchors, etc who made insensitive comments that their employers don't like, they are not protected by free speech.

I guess for me it comes down to when should and does your employer have a legal right to terminate you for what you say or do in your personal life. Some of these firings are insane. It's not even people gloating or mocking, it's people just expressing that they aren't mourning his death because of the person he was. Ok, so what? How are the people who screamed about having to wear a mask and government overreach now not also speaking out? What a bunch of idiotic hypocrites.

Kimmel was fired by Disney due to pressure exerted by the fcc on a group of affiliates seeking a merger. The govt is using its power to silence speech and it’s wrong. He didn’t speak about CK directly. He only said the right was manipulating it to score political points. He should have known to not bring it up so close to the murder, but didnt deserve this. The FCC chairman has said many times this abuse of power is wrong.( Edit, but when trump is his boss, freedom of action is zero.)

Not that the woke left wouldnt do the exact same thing if they could on college campuses as they try to silence speech related to actions their universities take. They’d silence that speech in a hot minute if they had the power.

If he made that comment Tuesday or Wednesday it would have been different. He made that comment several days after it was well known to not be true. I think that was the bigger issue.
I agree the FCC shouldn't have gotten involved, but I wouldn't have been surprised if there was some sort of consequence. I was expecting a forced apology, not a suspension. 

what did he say that wasn't true?

“The Maga gang [is] desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them, and doing everything they can to score political points from it,” he said.

It was well known he wasn't Maga by then. You can't hear that and tell me you don't see the implications that he's calling the shooter Maga. This was a perfect example of an accusation being an admission of guilt. He was doing his best to point the finger and score political points, when the identify was actually well known by then. 

To be fair when I first read it I thought he was trying to say the shooter was MAGA which is stupid.  BUt as I read it again and again, I don't think he was saying that.  I hear him saying they are willing to categorize him without any information so long as it is anything but MAGA.  A very different statement.  I wonder which way he meant it.

I see this as well, I retract my previous comment.

It’s still in bad taste, easy to misinterpret, too close to a horrible murder and shows enormous insensitivity to those close to the victim. If we want better, expect others to be better,  we must be better. Hopefully this is only a suspension, and he is back on the air.

Have you seen what Trump et al have been saying all along?  Be better?  It's easy to be better than him and them, you just have to not be a straight up lying narcissist asshat.  I wish we could take that idiot off the air.

Lerxst1992

cincybearcat said:

Lerxst1992 said:

njhaley1 said:

cincybearcat said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

tbergs said:

mace1229 said:

tbergs said:

mace1229 said:

Thats not what free speech is. You can't celebrate or openly mock the cold murder of someone and expect your employer to be okay with that. That's not what free speech is. 

Did Kimmel mock the murder?

No. But that question was plural and has been asked here since before Kimmel got suspended. Of all the other people, teachers, analysts, anchors, etc who made insensitive comments that their employers don't like, they are not protected by free speech.

I guess for me it comes down to when should and does your employer have a legal right to terminate you for what you say or do in your personal life. Some of these firings are insane. It's not even people gloating or mocking, it's people just expressing that they aren't mourning his death because of the person he was. Ok, so what? How are the people who screamed about having to wear a mask and government overreach now not also speaking out? What a bunch of idiotic hypocrites.

Kimmel was fired by Disney due to pressure exerted by the fcc on a group of affiliates seeking a merger. The govt is using its power to silence speech and it’s wrong. He didn’t speak about CK directly. He only said the right was manipulating it to score political points. He should have known to not bring it up so close to the murder, but didnt deserve this. The FCC chairman has said many times this abuse of power is wrong.( Edit, but when trump is his boss, freedom of action is zero.)

Not that the woke left wouldnt do the exact same thing if they could on college campuses as they try to silence speech related to actions their universities take. They’d silence that speech in a hot minute if they had the power.

If he made that comment Tuesday or Wednesday it would have been different. He made that comment several days after it was well known to not be true. I think that was the bigger issue.
I agree the FCC shouldn't have gotten involved, but I wouldn't have been surprised if there was some sort of consequence. I was expecting a forced apology, not a suspension. 

what did he say that wasn't true?

“The Maga gang [is] desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them, and doing everything they can to score political points from it,” he said.

It was well known he wasn't Maga by then. You can't hear that and tell me you don't see the implications that he's calling the shooter Maga. This was a perfect example of an accusation being an admission of guilt. He was doing his best to point the finger and score political points, when the identify was actually well known by then. 

To be fair when I first read it I thought he was trying to say the shooter was MAGA which is stupid.  BUt as I read it again and again, I don't think he was saying that.  I hear him saying they are willing to categorize him without any information so long as it is anything but MAGA.  A very different statement.  I wonder which way he meant it.

I see this as well, I retract my previous comment.

It’s still in bad taste, easy to misinterpret, too close to a horrible murder and shows enormous insensitivity to those close to the victim. If we want better, expect others to be better,  we must be better. Hopefully this is only a suspension, and he is back on the air.

Have you seen what Trump et al have been saying all along?  Be better?  It's easy to be better than him and them, you just have to not be a straight up lying narcissist asshat.  I wish we could take that idiot off the air.

Trump or Kimmel? If trump, we get this three more years because that’s how we voted. And that gives him the right, not Kimmel. For political commentators, yes they should have freedom to point out how the right is murder . But Kimmel is an entertainer and being better means waiting an appropriate amount of time for the family to grieve.

yes it’s troubling they went after Kimmel and that Dowd fella on the news, but in this instance the people telling us they want a better society, let’s give a grieving family time, especially on what’s supposed to be a non political entertainment show, being shown to red state America it’s important to add. After a month or so, sure let it rip.

theres a better way to fight the rights politicization of this. Obviously Kimmel didn’t  t come up with it.

HughFreakingDillon

mace1229 said:

tbergs said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

cincybearcat said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

tbergs said:

mace1229 said:

tbergs said:

mace1229 said:

Thats not what free speech is. You can't celebrate or openly mock the cold murder of someone and expect your employer to be okay with that. That's not what free speech is. 

Did Kimmel mock the murder?

No. But that question was plural and has been asked here since before Kimmel got suspended. Of all the other people, teachers, analysts, anchors, etc who made insensitive comments that their employers don't like, they are not protected by free speech.

I guess for me it comes down to when should and does your employer have a legal right to terminate you for what you say or do in your personal life. Some of these firings are insane. It's not even people gloating or mocking, it's people just expressing that they aren't mourning his death because of the person he was. Ok, so what? How are the people who screamed about having to wear a mask and government overreach now not also speaking out? What a bunch of idiotic hypocrites.

Kimmel was fired by Disney due to pressure exerted by the fcc on a group of affiliates seeking a merger. The govt is using its power to silence speech and it’s wrong. He didn’t speak about CK directly. He only said the right was manipulating it to score political points. He should have known to not bring it up so close to the murder, but didnt deserve this. The FCC chairman has said many times this abuse of power is wrong.( Edit, but when trump is his boss, freedom of action is zero.)

Not that the woke left wouldnt do the exact same thing if they could on college campuses as they try to silence speech related to actions their universities take. They’d silence that speech in a hot minute if they had the power.

If he made that comment Tuesday or Wednesday it would have been different. He made that comment several days after it was well known to not be true. I think that was the bigger issue.
I agree the FCC shouldn't have gotten involved, but I wouldn't have been surprised if there was some sort of consequence. I was expecting a forced apology, not a suspension. 

what did he say that wasn't true?

“The Maga gang [is] desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them, and doing everything they can to score political points from it,” he said.

It was well known he wasn't Maga by then. You can't hear that and tell me you don't see the implications that he's calling the shooter Maga. This was a perfect example of an accusation being an admission of guilt. He was doing his best to point the finger and score political points, when the identify was actually well known by then. 

To be fair when I first read it I thought he was trying to say the shooter was MAGA which is stupid.  BUt as I read it again and again, I don't think he was saying that.  I hear him saying they are willing to categorize him without any information so long as it is anything but MAGA.  A very different statement.  I wonder which way he meant it.

Agreed

That is how I heard it and why I'm confused by the controversy. What he said is 100% accurate. They did immediately blame the left and made it all political to score points for their team. The biggest perpetrator being the divider in chief. 

This is definitely a both sides issue. The left were claiming Maga on day 1 too. People quoting the grandma and the family as saying they are all a tight conservative family and the kid lives at home with his parents. Don't know where any of that information came from.
There were several posts jumping all over Leddbetterman when he first shared news stories of the boyfriend, which turned out to be accurate and true. So this was definitely going both ways of trying to place blame and not accepting the data as it was coming in. 

"the left claiming maga on day 1" were people on facebook. 
maga blaming the left were politicians, people on tv, and THE PRESIDENT. 

these are not the same. 

Tim Simmons

Lerxst1992 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

* The following opinion is mine and mine alone and does not represent the views of my family, friends, government and/or my past, present or future employer. US Department of State: 1-888-407-4747

Further, if a private bakery can deny baking a wedding cake to a gay couple, why can’t a private company hire to have the diversity of staff that is a more accurate representation of society. Sorry, but white males aren’t the only humans that exist.

Because they are judging applicants or current employees based on gender and/or color of skin, not absolute skill nor qualifications.

picking what type of product you wish to sell has nothing to do with measuring the skills and performance  of your employees.

Your anecdotes are getting more and more horrible. Time for some self reflection how you judge people?

Skill and qualifications are absolutely the first hoop they went through before factoring race/gender.

you think they hired someone who couldn't do a job because they needed to check a box? Sounds like they aren't very good at managing. That would be a bigger issue to me.

Gern Blansten

What is odd to me is the stuff I'm seeing from the right (i.e. Candace Owens, etc) who are pushing conspiracy theories that this was a hit on Kirk due to his changing stance on Israel. 

TikTok feed is full of people talking about Owens...

Halifax2TheMax

Gern Blansten said:

What is odd to me is the stuff I'm seeing from the right (i.e. Candace Owens, etc) who are pushing conspiracy theories that this was a hit on Kirk due to his changing stance on Israel. 

* The following opinion is mine and mine alone and does not represent the views of my family, friends, government and/or my past, present or future employer. US Department of State: 1-888-407-4747

There are very legitimate questions and concerns that need to be addressed and any defense attorney worth their law degree would be sound to ask them and address them in discovery and on the stand in the courtroom.

Is Alan Dershowitz available?

Bentleyspop

Gern Blansten said:

What is odd to me is the stuff I'm seeing from the right (i.e. Candace Owens, etc) who are pushing conspiracy theories that this was a hit on Kirk due to his changing stance on Israel. 

TikTok feed is full of people talking about Owens...

She's a piece of shit too.
In fact shes facing a defamation lawsuit from the Macrons because she claimed his wife had been a man and transitioned in secret. Now they are suing and will be going through pictures and testing to prove she was born and is a woman just because this  piece of shit  grifter owens claimed she wasn't. 

Gern Blansten

Yeah she's garbage but it is still surprising to me how many people are following her bullshit. 

Bentleyspop

Gern Blansten said:

Yeah she's garbage but it is still surprising to me how many people are following her bullshit. 

The maga cultists will believe ANYTHING and EVERYTHING that the lying piece of shit grifters like owens, carlton, jones, tRUmp say. No matter how demeaning, insulting, or ridiculous. 

mace1229

HughFreakingDillon said:

mace1229 said:

tbergs said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

cincybearcat said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

tbergs said:

mace1229 said:

tbergs said:

mace1229 said:

Thats not what free speech is. You can't celebrate or openly mock the cold murder of someone and expect your employer to be okay with that. That's not what free speech is. 

Did Kimmel mock the murder?

No. But that question was plural and has been asked here since before Kimmel got suspended. Of all the other people, teachers, analysts, anchors, etc who made insensitive comments that their employers don't like, they are not protected by free speech.

I guess for me it comes down to when should and does your employer have a legal right to terminate you for what you say or do in your personal life. Some of these firings are insane. It's not even people gloating or mocking, it's people just expressing that they aren't mourning his death because of the person he was. Ok, so what? How are the people who screamed about having to wear a mask and government overreach now not also speaking out? What a bunch of idiotic hypocrites.

Kimmel was fired by Disney due to pressure exerted by the fcc on a group of affiliates seeking a merger. The govt is using its power to silence speech and it’s wrong. He didn’t speak about CK directly. He only said the right was manipulating it to score political points. He should have known to not bring it up so close to the murder, but didnt deserve this. The FCC chairman has said many times this abuse of power is wrong.( Edit, but when trump is his boss, freedom of action is zero.)

Not that the woke left wouldnt do the exact same thing if they could on college campuses as they try to silence speech related to actions their universities take. They’d silence that speech in a hot minute if they had the power.

If he made that comment Tuesday or Wednesday it would have been different. He made that comment several days after it was well known to not be true. I think that was the bigger issue.
I agree the FCC shouldn't have gotten involved, but I wouldn't have been surprised if there was some sort of consequence. I was expecting a forced apology, not a suspension. 

what did he say that wasn't true?

“The Maga gang [is] desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them, and doing everything they can to score political points from it,” he said.

It was well known he wasn't Maga by then. You can't hear that and tell me you don't see the implications that he's calling the shooter Maga. This was a perfect example of an accusation being an admission of guilt. He was doing his best to point the finger and score political points, when the identify was actually well known by then. 

To be fair when I first read it I thought he was trying to say the shooter was MAGA which is stupid.  BUt as I read it again and again, I don't think he was saying that.  I hear him saying they are willing to categorize him without any information so long as it is anything but MAGA.  A very different statement.  I wonder which way he meant it.

Agreed

That is how I heard it and why I'm confused by the controversy. What he said is 100% accurate. They did immediately blame the left and made it all political to score points for their team. The biggest perpetrator being the divider in chief. 

This is definitely a both sides issue. The left were claiming Maga on day 1 too. People quoting the grandma and the family as saying they are all a tight conservative family and the kid lives at home with his parents. Don't know where any of that information came from.
There were several posts jumping all over Leddbetterman when he first shared news stories of the boyfriend, which turned out to be accurate and true. So this was definitely going both ways of trying to place blame and not accepting the data as it was coming in. 

"the left claiming maga on day 1" were people on facebook. 
maga blaming the left were politicians, people on tv, and THE PRESIDENT. 

these are not the same. 

We can all agree trump is not the gold standard to achieve in leaders. 

But think back to what we knew within a few hours of the shooting. We knew he wrote "Hey Fascist, catch" on the bullet he used to assassinate one of the most well known far right public figures. I had a very, very strong suspicion he would not turn out to be Maga, but in fact from the left. I didn't say anything because nothing official was released. But it's not a stretch for people to come out and put that together and make a case to tone down the language used against the right as they did.
  
Meanwhile, mainstream media is making comments like it could have just been a celebration gone wrong that killed him and reported that phrase was from a video game and the word "fascist" was just satire.  
Even as of yesterday CNN reported we have no idea what the motive is, despite the fact that we have text messages from the shooter himself saying why he did it. As of now they are still reluctant to say the obvious that the shooter was motivated by Kirk's views on transgender and other far right ideas and the shooter's relationship with his partner. So while it might not be coming from the politicians on the left who are still denying the obvious, it's still coming from people with a lot of influence and a big platform.

mace1229

Tim Simmons said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

* The following opinion is mine and mine alone and does not represent the views of my family, friends, government and/or my past, present or future employer. US Department of State: 1-888-407-4747

Further, if a private bakery can deny baking a wedding cake to a gay couple, why can’t a private company hire to have the diversity of staff that is a more accurate representation of society. Sorry, but white males aren’t the only humans that exist.

Because they are judging applicants or current employees based on gender and/or color of skin, not absolute skill nor qualifications.

picking what type of product you wish to sell has nothing to do with measuring the skills and performance  of your employees.

Your anecdotes are getting more and more horrible. Time for some self reflection how you judge people?

Skill and qualifications are absolutely the first hoop they went through before factoring race/gender.

you think they hired someone who couldn't do a job because they needed to check a box? Sounds like they aren't very good at managing. That would be a bigger issue to me.

Thats not what anyone said. Filling DEI quotas you can still fill all the requirements for a job. But it is likely some even more qualified candidates will get passed over. Let's take a specialized surgeon for example. You can have 100 surgeons qualified and apply for only 10 positions. If the hospital is required to fill 5 of those positions with minorities, and say only 5 minorities applied for the job, then all 5 automatically get it. They then will take the top 5 of the remaining candidates to fill the rest of the positions. Do you think all 5 of those minorities would have been in the top 10 if race wasn't a factor? Statistically speaking, no, so therefore more qualified people (surgeons with an even higher success rate and scores, or however they rate surgeons, I have no idea) were passed over. That doesn't mean that those 5 hired were unqualified. But if I'm getting surgery, I'd want someone in the top 5%, not the top 50%. And anyone hiring should want the same. 

Bentleyspop

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mace1229 said:

tbergs said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

cincybearcat said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

tbergs said:

mace1229 said:

tbergs said:

mace1229 said:

Thats not what free speech is. You can't celebrate or openly mock the cold murder of someone and expect your employer to be okay with that. That's not what free speech is. 

Did Kimmel mock the murder?

No. But that question was plural and has been asked here since before Kimmel got suspended. Of all the other people, teachers, analysts, anchors, etc who made insensitive comments that their employers don't like, they are not protected by free speech.

I guess for me it comes down to when should and does your employer have a legal right to terminate you for what you say or do in your personal life. Some of these firings are insane. It's not even people gloating or mocking, it's people just expressing that they aren't mourning his death because of the person he was. Ok, so what? How are the people who screamed about having to wear a mask and government overreach now not also speaking out? What a bunch of idiotic hypocrites.

Kimmel was fired by Disney due to pressure exerted by the fcc on a group of affiliates seeking a merger. The govt is using its power to silence speech and it’s wrong. He didn’t speak about CK directly. He only said the right was manipulating it to score political points. He should have known to not bring it up so close to the murder, but didnt deserve this. The FCC chairman has said many times this abuse of power is wrong.( Edit, but when trump is his boss, freedom of action is zero.)

Not that the woke left wouldnt do the exact same thing if they could on college campuses as they try to silence speech related to actions their universities take. They’d silence that speech in a hot minute if they had the power.

If he made that comment Tuesday or Wednesday it would have been different. He made that comment several days after it was well known to not be true. I think that was the bigger issue.
I agree the FCC shouldn't have gotten involved, but I wouldn't have been surprised if there was some sort of consequence. I was expecting a forced apology, not a suspension. 

what did he say that wasn't true?

“The Maga gang [is] desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them, and doing everything they can to score political points from it,” he said.

It was well known he wasn't Maga by then. You can't hear that and tell me you don't see the implications that he's calling the shooter Maga. This was a perfect example of an accusation being an admission of guilt. He was doing his best to point the finger and score political points, when the identify was actually well known by then. 

To be fair when I first read it I thought he was trying to say the shooter was MAGA which is stupid.  BUt as I read it again and again, I don't think he was saying that.  I hear him saying they are willing to categorize him without any information so long as it is anything but MAGA.  A very different statement.  I wonder which way he meant it.

Agreed

That is how I heard it and why I'm confused by the controversy. What he said is 100% accurate. They did immediately blame the left and made it all political to score points for their team. The biggest perpetrator being the divider in chief. 

This is definitely a both sides issue. The left were claiming Maga on day 1 too. People quoting the grandma and the family as saying they are all a tight conservative family and the kid lives at home with his parents. Don't know where any of that information came from.
There were several posts jumping all over Leddbetterman when he first shared news stories of the boyfriend, which turned out to be accurate and true. So this was definitely going both ways of trying to place blame and not accepting the data as it was coming in. 

"the left claiming maga on day 1" were people on facebook. 
maga blaming the left were politicians, people on tv, and THE PRESIDENT. 

these are not the same. 

We can all agree trump is not the gold standard to achieve in leaders. 

But think back to what we knew within a few hours of the shooting. We knew he wrote "Hey Fascist, catch" on the bullet he used to assassinate one of the most well known far right public figures. I had a very, very strong suspicion he would not turn out to be Maga, but in fact from the left. I didn't say anything because nothing official was released. But it's not a stretch for people to come out and put that together and make a case to tone down the language used against the right as they did.
  
Meanwhile, mainstream media is making comments like it could have just been a celebration gone wrong that killed him and reported that phrase was from a video game and the word "fascist" was just satire.  
Even as of yesterday CNN reported we have no idea what the motive is, despite the fact that we have text messages from the shooter himself saying why he did it. As of now they are still reluctant to say the obvious that the shooter was motivated by Kirk's views on transgender and other far right ideas and the shooter's relationship with his partner. So while it might not be coming from the politicians on the left who are still denying the obvious, it's still coming from people with a lot of influence and a big platform.

The quotes found on the shells were directly related to the videogame that he was obsessed with.

mace1229

Bentleyspop said:

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mace1229 said:

tbergs said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

cincybearcat said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

tbergs said:

mace1229 said:

tbergs said:

mace1229 said:

Thats not what free speech is. You can't celebrate or openly mock the cold murder of someone and expect your employer to be okay with that. That's not what free speech is. 

Did Kimmel mock the murder?

No. But that question was plural and has been asked here since before Kimmel got suspended. Of all the other people, teachers, analysts, anchors, etc who made insensitive comments that their employers don't like, they are not protected by free speech.

I guess for me it comes down to when should and does your employer have a legal right to terminate you for what you say or do in your personal life. Some of these firings are insane. It's not even people gloating or mocking, it's people just expressing that they aren't mourning his death because of the person he was. Ok, so what? How are the people who screamed about having to wear a mask and government overreach now not also speaking out? What a bunch of idiotic hypocrites.

Kimmel was fired by Disney due to pressure exerted by the fcc on a group of affiliates seeking a merger. The govt is using its power to silence speech and it’s wrong. He didn’t speak about CK directly. He only said the right was manipulating it to score political points. He should have known to not bring it up so close to the murder, but didnt deserve this. The FCC chairman has said many times this abuse of power is wrong.( Edit, but when trump is his boss, freedom of action is zero.)

Not that the woke left wouldnt do the exact same thing if they could on college campuses as they try to silence speech related to actions their universities take. They’d silence that speech in a hot minute if they had the power.

If he made that comment Tuesday or Wednesday it would have been different. He made that comment several days after it was well known to not be true. I think that was the bigger issue.
I agree the FCC shouldn't have gotten involved, but I wouldn't have been surprised if there was some sort of consequence. I was expecting a forced apology, not a suspension. 

what did he say that wasn't true?

“The Maga gang [is] desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them, and doing everything they can to score political points from it,” he said.

It was well known he wasn't Maga by then. You can't hear that and tell me you don't see the implications that he's calling the shooter Maga. This was a perfect example of an accusation being an admission of guilt. He was doing his best to point the finger and score political points, when the identify was actually well known by then. 

To be fair when I first read it I thought he was trying to say the shooter was MAGA which is stupid.  BUt as I read it again and again, I don't think he was saying that.  I hear him saying they are willing to categorize him without any information so long as it is anything but MAGA.  A very different statement.  I wonder which way he meant it.

Agreed

That is how I heard it and why I'm confused by the controversy. What he said is 100% accurate. They did immediately blame the left and made it all political to score points for their team. The biggest perpetrator being the divider in chief. 

This is definitely a both sides issue. The left were claiming Maga on day 1 too. People quoting the grandma and the family as saying they are all a tight conservative family and the kid lives at home with his parents. Don't know where any of that information came from.
There were several posts jumping all over Leddbetterman when he first shared news stories of the boyfriend, which turned out to be accurate and true. So this was definitely going both ways of trying to place blame and not accepting the data as it was coming in. 

"the left claiming maga on day 1" were people on facebook. 
maga blaming the left were politicians, people on tv, and THE PRESIDENT. 

these are not the same. 

We can all agree trump is not the gold standard to achieve in leaders. 

But think back to what we knew within a few hours of the shooting. We knew he wrote "Hey Fascist, catch" on the bullet he used to assassinate one of the most well known far right public figures. I had a very, very strong suspicion he would not turn out to be Maga, but in fact from the left. I didn't say anything because nothing official was released. But it's not a stretch for people to come out and put that together and make a case to tone down the language used against the right as they did.
  
Meanwhile, mainstream media is making comments like it could have just been a celebration gone wrong that killed him and reported that phrase was from a video game and the word "fascist" was just satire.  
Even as of yesterday CNN reported we have no idea what the motive is, despite the fact that we have text messages from the shooter himself saying why he did it. As of now they are still reluctant to say the obvious that the shooter was motivated by Kirk's views on transgender and other far right ideas and the shooter's relationship with his partner. So while it might not be coming from the politicians on the left who are still denying the obvious, it's still coming from people with a lot of influence and a big platform.

The quotes found on the shells were directly related to the videogame that he was obsessed with.

So you think its a coincidence that he chose the quote with the word "fascist" to shoot a far right public figure?

DE4173

The video game that has:

"Notices bulges OwO what’s this?"

and 

"If you read this you are gay LMAO"

Halifax2TheMax

Lerxst1992 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

* The following opinion is mine and mine alone and does not represent the views of my family, friends, government and/or my past, present or future employer. US Department of State: 1-888-407-4747

Further, if a private bakery can deny baking a wedding cake to a gay couple, why can’t a private company hire to have the diversity of staff that is a more accurate representation of society. Sorry, but white males aren’t the only humans that exist.

Because they are judging applicants or current employees based on gender and/or color of skin, not absolute skill nor qualifications.

picking what type of product you wish to sell has nothing to do with measuring the skills and performance  of your employees.

Your anecdotes are getting more and more horrible. Time for some self reflection how you judge people?

Lerxst1992 said:

Tim Simmons said:

DEI doesn't have quotas

Ok, employer “targets.” Is that really any better? 

From your favorite form of intelligence-



“ Evidence of Companies Using "Targets" or "Goals"

• Widespread use of targets: Research suggests that a significant number of companies, particularly publicly held ones, have some form of racial or gender targets. A 2022 study of over 900 companies found that 44% of public companies had some form of racial target. These targets can be specific, with a stated percentage increase to be achieved by a certain year. 

….

As a bonus, that’s sourced from Harvard Law School Forum on Corporate Governance

* The following opinion is mine and mine alone and does not represent the views of my family, friends, government and/or my past, present or future employer. US Department of State: 1-888-407-4747

Now have AI tell you about studies where applicants that meet all the requirements and qualifications for jobs on their resume but with a black sounding name don’t get interviews but when the name is changed to a white sounding name they do get an interview.

Do you not have any other recourse for your situation, assuming you or someone you know is a white male?

 

You need help, maybe more than the legal variety, like union membership.

Halifax2TheMax

* The following opinion is mine and mine alone and does not represent the views of my family, friends, government and/or my past, present or future employer. US Department of State: 1-888-407-4747

Where were all these bleeding hearts when 20 first and second graders were murdered in their classrooms in less than five minutes? Where was the calm reflection, morality and taste in the hours, days and weeks after? Fucking nowhere. And some fucking wonder how we got to this point? Seriously?

Halifax2TheMax

Lerxst1992 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

The only thing consistent around here is the lack of understanding. Consensus, it’s a thing.

Go to your next management meeting and demand to go back to rotary phones and tri-copy forms and paper in file cabinets. Then stamp your feet, pout and try to sabotage any initiative leadership is promoting. See how long you last. Then, while waiting for your unemployment benefits to kick in, write a book complaining about how your company isn’t a big tent company willing to listen to alternative ideas.

And I thought it was, “if you’re not with us, you’re with the terrorists?”

Also consistent is your bad analogies.

How so?

You make an example of wanting to go back to archaic means and methods while getting fired for them yet you state that you got fired for the company not listening to alternative ideas.

Being anti-woke is not sending us back into the stone age no matter what Trump tries to undo. Some setbacks for sure but not square 1.

This is where I thought you were going with this.

I've never been fired from a job.

My analogy was a you as in general you, and the comparison was Manchurian wanting coal to be king again, despite the dem leadership and caucus wanting to go green, not to mention public polling, and a hypothetical of an employee wanting to go back to the old, outdated method of doing business. Coal, and by extension fossil fuels to some degree (we'll never eliminate all needs/uses), are the past, while solar, wind and fusion are the future. Manchurian threw a hissy fit when his desired outcome was rejected by dem leadership and the caucus.

so you’re  admitting you’ve never been targeted by DEI quotas?


the problem with your united airlines quota example  is exactly that. When they do a restructure they will look to their quotas for employment decisions. Perhaps Pear Jam should try out DEI quotas also if they’re so great?

I hear dolly parton can still sing?

Not that I’m aware of and if I were, oh well, I’m a white male with bestowed privileges and rights, many of which women and minorities don’t enjoy. If I were, I wouldn’t piss and moan about it but pick myself up by my bootstraps and try, try again.

Reorganizations, restructuring and related staffing are dictated to some degree by union rules as in seniority in the flight attendants and pilots unions. Last hired, first fired.

I’m guessing you’ve never worked in a union environment as a union member?

Pearl Jam doesn’t need a singer. They need a drummer. Can Dolly play the drums to the PJ catalog?

So we agree they better hire Brian Blade, or they are hypocrites if they dont denounce DEI?

A little absurd bringing up unions which represent 6% of workers in private sector

so to answer the question, you have zero idea what it’s like, but refuse to listen to the other side whatsoever and perhaps learn something . Smart.

* The following opinion is mine and mine alone and does not represent the views of my family, friends, government and/or my past, present or future employer. US Department of State: 1-888-407-4747

I’d love for PJ to hire a qualified black drummer just so I could enjoy the MAGA meltdown, cancellation of memberships and my potential moving up in the order. Maybe the drummer for The Roots is available?

Maybe there need to be more union membership. I have zero idea about what? Being a victim of DEI? Are you a victim?

Bentleyspop

DE4173 said:

The video game that has:

"Notices bulges OwO what’s this?"

and 

"If you read this you are gay LMAO"

Let me rephrase for the jury... 

The quotes on the shell casings were either from the game or were used by the players during the game at each other.

DE4173

Bentleyspop said:

DE4173 said:

The video game that has:

"Notices bulges OwO what’s this?"

and 

"If you read this you are gay LMAO"

Let me rephrase for the jury... 

The quotes on the shell casings were either from the game or were used by the players during the game at each other.

mace1229

DE4173 said:

The video game that has:

"Notices bulges OwO what’s this?"

and 

"If you read this you are gay LMAO"

So you think its a coincidence that the quote he chose to use from a video game used the word "fascist" and assassinate a far right political figurei?
If some nut decides to shoot AOC and writes "libtard" on the bullet, that's just a coincidence that they chose to quote Halifax's signature on the bullet?
I have no doubt that it was a quote from a game.
I also have no doubt it was a quote carefully selected for his target. I'm kinda baffled there are so many that seem to say "it's just a video game quote" and don't understand the messaging behind it. It can be a quote from a game and be a message to his political target at the same time.