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Lerxst1992

tbergs said:

mace1229 said:

tbergs said:

mace1229 said:

Thats not what free speech is. You can't celebrate or openly mock the cold murder of someone and expect your employer to be okay with that. That's not what free speech is. 

Did Kimmel mock the murder?

No. But that question was plural and has been asked here since before Kimmel got suspended. Of all the other people, teachers, analysts, anchors, etc who made insensitive comments that their employers don't like, they are not protected by free speech.

I guess for me it comes down to when should and does your employer have a legal right to terminate you for what you say or do in your personal life. Some of these firings are insane. It's not even people gloating or mocking, it's people just expressing that they aren't mourning his death because of the person he was. Ok, so what? How are the people who screamed about having to wear a mask and government overreach now not also speaking out? What a bunch of idiotic hypocrites.

Kimmel was fired by Disney due to pressure exerted by the fcc on a group of affiliates seeking a merger. The govt is using its power to silence speech and it’s wrong. He didn’t speak about CK directly. He only said the right was manipulating it to score political points. He should have known to not bring it up so close to the murder, but didnt deserve this. The FCC chairman has said many times this abuse of power is wrong.( Edit, but when trump is his boss, freedom of action is zero.)

Not that the woke left wouldnt do the exact same thing if they could on college campuses as they try to silence speech related to actions their universities take. They’d silence that speech in a hot minute if they had the power.

Tim Simmons

technically he wasn't fired.

Lerxst1992

Tim Simmons said:

DEI doesn't have quotas

Ok, employer “targets.” Is that really any better? 

From your favorite form of intelligence-



“ Evidence of Companies Using "Targets" or "Goals"

• Widespread use of targets: Research suggests that a significant number of companies, particularly publicly held ones, have some form of racial or gender targets. A 2022 study of over 900 companies found that 44% of public companies had some form of racial target. These targets can be specific, with a stated percentage increase to be achieved by a certain year. 

….

As a bonus, that’s sourced from Harvard Law School Forum on Corporate Governance

mace1229

tbergs said:

mace1229 said:

tbergs said:

mace1229 said:

Thats not what free speech is. You can't celebrate or openly mock the cold murder of someone and expect your employer to be okay with that. That's not what free speech is. 

Did Kimmel mock the murder?

No. But that question was plural and has been asked here since before Kimmel got suspended. Of all the other people, teachers, analysts, anchors, etc who made insensitive comments that their employers don't like, they are not protected by free speech.

I guess for me it comes down to when should and does your employer have a legal right to terminate you for what you say or do in your personal life. Some of these firings are insane. It's not even people gloating or mocking, it's people just expressing that they aren't mourning his death because of the person he was. Ok, so what? How are the people who screamed about having to wear a mask and government overreach now not also speaking out? What a bunch of idiotic hypocrites.

I'm sure they have the legal right if they say their public values and opinions don't represent those of the company. Even if they put a disclaimer like H2Fax. They have a company to run, they don't want to offend potential customers.
Now my opinion is you won't see this as much in low-profile jobs. Someone just starting out working at Lowe's, probably won't get much heat, his boss probably will never know. But someone more in the public eye, someone on TV, makes a comment and tends of thousands of people see it, there's going to be some pushback. Or some teacher makes a comment, one parent sees it, shares it with a few parents, they share it with a few parents, suddenly you get 100 angry parents at the school saying they don't want their child around that teacher. 

mace1229

Lerxst1992 said:

tbergs said:

mace1229 said:

tbergs said:

mace1229 said:

Thats not what free speech is. You can't celebrate or openly mock the cold murder of someone and expect your employer to be okay with that. That's not what free speech is. 

Did Kimmel mock the murder?

No. But that question was plural and has been asked here since before Kimmel got suspended. Of all the other people, teachers, analysts, anchors, etc who made insensitive comments that their employers don't like, they are not protected by free speech.

I guess for me it comes down to when should and does your employer have a legal right to terminate you for what you say or do in your personal life. Some of these firings are insane. It's not even people gloating or mocking, it's people just expressing that they aren't mourning his death because of the person he was. Ok, so what? How are the people who screamed about having to wear a mask and government overreach now not also speaking out? What a bunch of idiotic hypocrites.

Kimmel was fired by Disney due to pressure exerted by the fcc on a group of affiliates seeking a merger. The govt is using its power to silence speech and it’s wrong. He didn’t speak about CK directly. He only said the right was manipulating it to score political points. He should have known to not bring it up so close to the murder, but didnt deserve this. The FCC chairman has said many times this abuse of power is wrong.( Edit, but when trump is his boss, freedom of action is zero.)

Not that the woke left wouldnt do the exact same thing if they could on college campuses as they try to silence speech related to actions their universities take. They’d silence that speech in a hot minute if they had the power.

If he made that comment Tuesday or Wednesday it would have been different. He made that comment several days after it was well known to not be true. I think that was the bigger issue.
I agree the FCC shouldn't have gotten involved, but I wouldn't have been surprised if there was some sort of consequence. I was expecting a forced apology, not a suspension. 

Gern Blansten

mace1229 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

tbergs said:

mace1229 said:

tbergs said:

mace1229 said:

Thats not what free speech is. You can't celebrate or openly mock the cold murder of someone and expect your employer to be okay with that. That's not what free speech is. 

Did Kimmel mock the murder?

No. But that question was plural and has been asked here since before Kimmel got suspended. Of all the other people, teachers, analysts, anchors, etc who made insensitive comments that their employers don't like, they are not protected by free speech.

I guess for me it comes down to when should and does your employer have a legal right to terminate you for what you say or do in your personal life. Some of these firings are insane. It's not even people gloating or mocking, it's people just expressing that they aren't mourning his death because of the person he was. Ok, so what? How are the people who screamed about having to wear a mask and government overreach now not also speaking out? What a bunch of idiotic hypocrites.

Kimmel was fired by Disney due to pressure exerted by the fcc on a group of affiliates seeking a merger. The govt is using its power to silence speech and it’s wrong. He didn’t speak about CK directly. He only said the right was manipulating it to score political points. He should have known to not bring it up so close to the murder, but didnt deserve this. The FCC chairman has said many times this abuse of power is wrong.( Edit, but when trump is his boss, freedom of action is zero.)

Not that the woke left wouldnt do the exact same thing if they could on college campuses as they try to silence speech related to actions their universities take. They’d silence that speech in a hot minute if they had the power.

If he made that comment Tuesday or Wednesday it would have been different. He made that comment several days after it was well known to not be true. I think that was the bigger issue.
I agree the FCC shouldn't have gotten involved, but I wouldn't have been surprised if there was some sort of consequence. I was expecting a forced apology, not a suspension. 

what did he say that wasn't true?

njhaley1

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

tbergs said:

mace1229 said:

tbergs said:

mace1229 said:

Thats not what free speech is. You can't celebrate or openly mock the cold murder of someone and expect your employer to be okay with that. That's not what free speech is. 

Did Kimmel mock the murder?

No. But that question was plural and has been asked here since before Kimmel got suspended. Of all the other people, teachers, analysts, anchors, etc who made insensitive comments that their employers don't like, they are not protected by free speech.

I guess for me it comes down to when should and does your employer have a legal right to terminate you for what you say or do in your personal life. Some of these firings are insane. It's not even people gloating or mocking, it's people just expressing that they aren't mourning his death because of the person he was. Ok, so what? How are the people who screamed about having to wear a mask and government overreach now not also speaking out? What a bunch of idiotic hypocrites.

Kimmel was fired by Disney due to pressure exerted by the fcc on a group of affiliates seeking a merger. The govt is using its power to silence speech and it’s wrong. He didn’t speak about CK directly. He only said the right was manipulating it to score political points. He should have known to not bring it up so close to the murder, but didnt deserve this. The FCC chairman has said many times this abuse of power is wrong.( Edit, but when trump is his boss, freedom of action is zero.)

Not that the woke left wouldnt do the exact same thing if they could on college campuses as they try to silence speech related to actions their universities take. They’d silence that speech in a hot minute if they had the power.

If he made that comment Tuesday or Wednesday it would have been different. He made that comment several days after it was well known to not be true. I think that was the bigger issue.
I agree the FCC shouldn't have gotten involved, but I wouldn't have been surprised if there was some sort of consequence. I was expecting a forced apology, not a suspension. 

what did he say that wasn't true?

That the perpetrator was conservative.  

mace1229

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

tbergs said:

mace1229 said:

tbergs said:

mace1229 said:

Thats not what free speech is. You can't celebrate or openly mock the cold murder of someone and expect your employer to be okay with that. That's not what free speech is. 

Did Kimmel mock the murder?

No. But that question was plural and has been asked here since before Kimmel got suspended. Of all the other people, teachers, analysts, anchors, etc who made insensitive comments that their employers don't like, they are not protected by free speech.

I guess for me it comes down to when should and does your employer have a legal right to terminate you for what you say or do in your personal life. Some of these firings are insane. It's not even people gloating or mocking, it's people just expressing that they aren't mourning his death because of the person he was. Ok, so what? How are the people who screamed about having to wear a mask and government overreach now not also speaking out? What a bunch of idiotic hypocrites.

Kimmel was fired by Disney due to pressure exerted by the fcc on a group of affiliates seeking a merger. The govt is using its power to silence speech and it’s wrong. He didn’t speak about CK directly. He only said the right was manipulating it to score political points. He should have known to not bring it up so close to the murder, but didnt deserve this. The FCC chairman has said many times this abuse of power is wrong.( Edit, but when trump is his boss, freedom of action is zero.)

Not that the woke left wouldnt do the exact same thing if they could on college campuses as they try to silence speech related to actions their universities take. They’d silence that speech in a hot minute if they had the power.

If he made that comment Tuesday or Wednesday it would have been different. He made that comment several days after it was well known to not be true. I think that was the bigger issue.
I agree the FCC shouldn't have gotten involved, but I wouldn't have been surprised if there was some sort of consequence. I was expecting a forced apology, not a suspension. 

what did he say that wasn't true?

“The Maga gang [is] desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them, and doing everything they can to score political points from it,” he said.

It was well known he wasn't Maga by then. You can't hear that and tell me you don't see the implications that he's calling the shooter Maga. This was a perfect example of an accusation being an admission of guilt. He was doing his best to point the finger and score political points, when the identify was actually well known by then. 

cincybearcat

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

tbergs said:

mace1229 said:

tbergs said:

mace1229 said:

Thats not what free speech is. You can't celebrate or openly mock the cold murder of someone and expect your employer to be okay with that. That's not what free speech is. 

Did Kimmel mock the murder?

No. But that question was plural and has been asked here since before Kimmel got suspended. Of all the other people, teachers, analysts, anchors, etc who made insensitive comments that their employers don't like, they are not protected by free speech.

I guess for me it comes down to when should and does your employer have a legal right to terminate you for what you say or do in your personal life. Some of these firings are insane. It's not even people gloating or mocking, it's people just expressing that they aren't mourning his death because of the person he was. Ok, so what? How are the people who screamed about having to wear a mask and government overreach now not also speaking out? What a bunch of idiotic hypocrites.

Kimmel was fired by Disney due to pressure exerted by the fcc on a group of affiliates seeking a merger. The govt is using its power to silence speech and it’s wrong. He didn’t speak about CK directly. He only said the right was manipulating it to score political points. He should have known to not bring it up so close to the murder, but didnt deserve this. The FCC chairman has said many times this abuse of power is wrong.( Edit, but when trump is his boss, freedom of action is zero.)

Not that the woke left wouldnt do the exact same thing if they could on college campuses as they try to silence speech related to actions their universities take. They’d silence that speech in a hot minute if they had the power.

If he made that comment Tuesday or Wednesday it would have been different. He made that comment several days after it was well known to not be true. I think that was the bigger issue.
I agree the FCC shouldn't have gotten involved, but I wouldn't have been surprised if there was some sort of consequence. I was expecting a forced apology, not a suspension. 

what did he say that wasn't true?

“The Maga gang [is] desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them, and doing everything they can to score political points from it,” he said.

It was well known he wasn't Maga by then. You can't hear that and tell me you don't see the implications that he's calling the shooter Maga. This was a perfect example of an accusation being an admission of guilt. He was doing his best to point the finger and score political points, when the identify was actually well known by then. 

To be fair when I first read it I thought he was trying to say the shooter was MAGA which is stupid.  BUt as I read it again and again, I don't think he was saying that.  I hear him saying they are willing to categorize him without any information so long as it is anything but MAGA.  A very different statement.  I wonder which way he meant it.

HughFreakingDillon

cincybearcat said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

tbergs said:

mace1229 said:

tbergs said:

mace1229 said:

Thats not what free speech is. You can't celebrate or openly mock the cold murder of someone and expect your employer to be okay with that. That's not what free speech is. 

Did Kimmel mock the murder?

No. But that question was plural and has been asked here since before Kimmel got suspended. Of all the other people, teachers, analysts, anchors, etc who made insensitive comments that their employers don't like, they are not protected by free speech.

I guess for me it comes down to when should and does your employer have a legal right to terminate you for what you say or do in your personal life. Some of these firings are insane. It's not even people gloating or mocking, it's people just expressing that they aren't mourning his death because of the person he was. Ok, so what? How are the people who screamed about having to wear a mask and government overreach now not also speaking out? What a bunch of idiotic hypocrites.

Kimmel was fired by Disney due to pressure exerted by the fcc on a group of affiliates seeking a merger. The govt is using its power to silence speech and it’s wrong. He didn’t speak about CK directly. He only said the right was manipulating it to score political points. He should have known to not bring it up so close to the murder, but didnt deserve this. The FCC chairman has said many times this abuse of power is wrong.( Edit, but when trump is his boss, freedom of action is zero.)

Not that the woke left wouldnt do the exact same thing if they could on college campuses as they try to silence speech related to actions their universities take. They’d silence that speech in a hot minute if they had the power.

If he made that comment Tuesday or Wednesday it would have been different. He made that comment several days after it was well known to not be true. I think that was the bigger issue.
I agree the FCC shouldn't have gotten involved, but I wouldn't have been surprised if there was some sort of consequence. I was expecting a forced apology, not a suspension. 

what did he say that wasn't true?

“The Maga gang [is] desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them, and doing everything they can to score political points from it,” he said.

It was well known he wasn't Maga by then. You can't hear that and tell me you don't see the implications that he's calling the shooter Maga. This was a perfect example of an accusation being an admission of guilt. He was doing his best to point the finger and score political points, when the identify was actually well known by then. 

To be fair when I first read it I thought he was trying to say the shooter was MAGA which is stupid.  BUt as I read it again and again, I don't think he was saying that.  I hear him saying they are willing to categorize him without any information so long as it is anything but MAGA.  A very different statement.  I wonder which way he meant it.

Agreed

njhaley1

cincybearcat said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

tbergs said:

mace1229 said:

tbergs said:

mace1229 said:

Thats not what free speech is. You can't celebrate or openly mock the cold murder of someone and expect your employer to be okay with that. That's not what free speech is. 

Did Kimmel mock the murder?

No. But that question was plural and has been asked here since before Kimmel got suspended. Of all the other people, teachers, analysts, anchors, etc who made insensitive comments that their employers don't like, they are not protected by free speech.

I guess for me it comes down to when should and does your employer have a legal right to terminate you for what you say or do in your personal life. Some of these firings are insane. It's not even people gloating or mocking, it's people just expressing that they aren't mourning his death because of the person he was. Ok, so what? How are the people who screamed about having to wear a mask and government overreach now not also speaking out? What a bunch of idiotic hypocrites.

Kimmel was fired by Disney due to pressure exerted by the fcc on a group of affiliates seeking a merger. The govt is using its power to silence speech and it’s wrong. He didn’t speak about CK directly. He only said the right was manipulating it to score political points. He should have known to not bring it up so close to the murder, but didnt deserve this. The FCC chairman has said many times this abuse of power is wrong.( Edit, but when trump is his boss, freedom of action is zero.)

Not that the woke left wouldnt do the exact same thing if they could on college campuses as they try to silence speech related to actions their universities take. They’d silence that speech in a hot minute if they had the power.

If he made that comment Tuesday or Wednesday it would have been different. He made that comment several days after it was well known to not be true. I think that was the bigger issue.
I agree the FCC shouldn't have gotten involved, but I wouldn't have been surprised if there was some sort of consequence. I was expecting a forced apology, not a suspension. 

what did he say that wasn't true?

“The Maga gang [is] desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them, and doing everything they can to score political points from it,” he said.

It was well known he wasn't Maga by then. You can't hear that and tell me you don't see the implications that he's calling the shooter Maga. This was a perfect example of an accusation being an admission of guilt. He was doing his best to point the finger and score political points, when the identify was actually well known by then. 

To be fair when I first read it I thought he was trying to say the shooter was MAGA which is stupid.  BUt as I read it again and again, I don't think he was saying that.  I hear him saying they are willing to categorize him without any information so long as it is anything but MAGA.  A very different statement.  I wonder which way he meant it.

I see this as well, I retract my previous comment.

Gern Blansten

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

tbergs said:

mace1229 said:

tbergs said:

mace1229 said:

Thats not what free speech is. You can't celebrate or openly mock the cold murder of someone and expect your employer to be okay with that. That's not what free speech is. 

Did Kimmel mock the murder?

No. But that question was plural and has been asked here since before Kimmel got suspended. Of all the other people, teachers, analysts, anchors, etc who made insensitive comments that their employers don't like, they are not protected by free speech.

I guess for me it comes down to when should and does your employer have a legal right to terminate you for what you say or do in your personal life. Some of these firings are insane. It's not even people gloating or mocking, it's people just expressing that they aren't mourning his death because of the person he was. Ok, so what? How are the people who screamed about having to wear a mask and government overreach now not also speaking out? What a bunch of idiotic hypocrites.

Kimmel was fired by Disney due to pressure exerted by the fcc on a group of affiliates seeking a merger. The govt is using its power to silence speech and it’s wrong. He didn’t speak about CK directly. He only said the right was manipulating it to score political points. He should have known to not bring it up so close to the murder, but didnt deserve this. The FCC chairman has said many times this abuse of power is wrong.( Edit, but when trump is his boss, freedom of action is zero.)

Not that the woke left wouldnt do the exact same thing if they could on college campuses as they try to silence speech related to actions their universities take. They’d silence that speech in a hot minute if they had the power.

If he made that comment Tuesday or Wednesday it would have been different. He made that comment several days after it was well known to not be true. I think that was the bigger issue.
I agree the FCC shouldn't have gotten involved, but I wouldn't have been surprised if there was some sort of consequence. I was expecting a forced apology, not a suspension. 

what did he say that wasn't true?

“The Maga gang [is] desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them, and doing everything they can to score political points from it,” he said.

It was well known he wasn't Maga by then. You can't hear that and tell me you don't see the implications that he's calling the shooter Maga. This was a perfect example of an accusation being an admission of guilt. He was doing his best to point the finger and score political points, when the identify was actually well known by then. 

Ok I don't see how that is anywhere near untrue...they were blaming "radical left lunatics" from the beginning. When was the show recorded?

That the shooter turned out to be non-Maga is irrelevant. Plus...isn't the jury still out on this? It is still possible that shooter was a Fuentes guy and was carrying out Fuentes hatred of Kirk and TPUSA

Clearly the shooter wasn't involved in any group of radical left lunatics as his family was maga and his roommate clearly had no idea.

So you are saying Kimmel was canned because he said the shooter was maga? Is that the offense?

Clearly this was trump pissed off at being made fun of and he ordered the FCC to threaten ABC

mace1229

cincybearcat said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

tbergs said:

mace1229 said:

tbergs said:

mace1229 said:

Thats not what free speech is. You can't celebrate or openly mock the cold murder of someone and expect your employer to be okay with that. That's not what free speech is. 

Did Kimmel mock the murder?

No. But that question was plural and has been asked here since before Kimmel got suspended. Of all the other people, teachers, analysts, anchors, etc who made insensitive comments that their employers don't like, they are not protected by free speech.

I guess for me it comes down to when should and does your employer have a legal right to terminate you for what you say or do in your personal life. Some of these firings are insane. It's not even people gloating or mocking, it's people just expressing that they aren't mourning his death because of the person he was. Ok, so what? How are the people who screamed about having to wear a mask and government overreach now not also speaking out? What a bunch of idiotic hypocrites.

Kimmel was fired by Disney due to pressure exerted by the fcc on a group of affiliates seeking a merger. The govt is using its power to silence speech and it’s wrong. He didn’t speak about CK directly. He only said the right was manipulating it to score political points. He should have known to not bring it up so close to the murder, but didnt deserve this. The FCC chairman has said many times this abuse of power is wrong.( Edit, but when trump is his boss, freedom of action is zero.)

Not that the woke left wouldnt do the exact same thing if they could on college campuses as they try to silence speech related to actions their universities take. They’d silence that speech in a hot minute if they had the power.

If he made that comment Tuesday or Wednesday it would have been different. He made that comment several days after it was well known to not be true. I think that was the bigger issue.
I agree the FCC shouldn't have gotten involved, but I wouldn't have been surprised if there was some sort of consequence. I was expecting a forced apology, not a suspension. 

what did he say that wasn't true?

“The Maga gang [is] desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them, and doing everything they can to score political points from it,” he said.

It was well known he wasn't Maga by then. You can't hear that and tell me you don't see the implications that he's calling the shooter Maga. This was a perfect example of an accusation being an admission of guilt. He was doing his best to point the finger and score political points, when the identify was actually well known by then. 

To be fair when I first read it I thought he was trying to say the shooter was MAGA which is stupid.  BUt as I read it again and again, I don't think he was saying that.  I hear him saying they are willing to categorize him without any information so long as it is anything but MAGA.  A very different statement.  I wonder which way he meant it.

To me it still reads as him calling him Maga.
I think this goes both ways. When it first was coming out he was in a relationship with a transgender, the left was doing the same. For the first 2 or 3 days both sides were going "he's one of yours!" without really knowing all details. People were denying the boyfriend for a couple days after that information was released. 

Gern Blansten

trump says that Kimmel was fired because of something horrible he said about Kirk....what was that?

tbergs

HughFreakingDillon said:

cincybearcat said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

tbergs said:

mace1229 said:

tbergs said:

mace1229 said:

Thats not what free speech is. You can't celebrate or openly mock the cold murder of someone and expect your employer to be okay with that. That's not what free speech is. 

Did Kimmel mock the murder?

No. But that question was plural and has been asked here since before Kimmel got suspended. Of all the other people, teachers, analysts, anchors, etc who made insensitive comments that their employers don't like, they are not protected by free speech.

I guess for me it comes down to when should and does your employer have a legal right to terminate you for what you say or do in your personal life. Some of these firings are insane. It's not even people gloating or mocking, it's people just expressing that they aren't mourning his death because of the person he was. Ok, so what? How are the people who screamed about having to wear a mask and government overreach now not also speaking out? What a bunch of idiotic hypocrites.

Kimmel was fired by Disney due to pressure exerted by the fcc on a group of affiliates seeking a merger. The govt is using its power to silence speech and it’s wrong. He didn’t speak about CK directly. He only said the right was manipulating it to score political points. He should have known to not bring it up so close to the murder, but didnt deserve this. The FCC chairman has said many times this abuse of power is wrong.( Edit, but when trump is his boss, freedom of action is zero.)

Not that the woke left wouldnt do the exact same thing if they could on college campuses as they try to silence speech related to actions their universities take. They’d silence that speech in a hot minute if they had the power.

If he made that comment Tuesday or Wednesday it would have been different. He made that comment several days after it was well known to not be true. I think that was the bigger issue.
I agree the FCC shouldn't have gotten involved, but I wouldn't have been surprised if there was some sort of consequence. I was expecting a forced apology, not a suspension. 

what did he say that wasn't true?

“The Maga gang [is] desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them, and doing everything they can to score political points from it,” he said.

It was well known he wasn't Maga by then. You can't hear that and tell me you don't see the implications that he's calling the shooter Maga. This was a perfect example of an accusation being an admission of guilt. He was doing his best to point the finger and score political points, when the identify was actually well known by then. 

To be fair when I first read it I thought he was trying to say the shooter was MAGA which is stupid.  BUt as I read it again and again, I don't think he was saying that.  I hear him saying they are willing to categorize him without any information so long as it is anything but MAGA.  A very different statement.  I wonder which way he meant it.

Agreed

That is how I heard it and why I'm confused by the controversy. What he said is 100% accurate. They did immediately blame the left and made it all political to score points for their team. The biggest perpetrator being the divider in chief. 

Gern Blansten

tbergs said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

cincybearcat said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

tbergs said:

mace1229 said:

tbergs said:

mace1229 said:

Thats not what free speech is. You can't celebrate or openly mock the cold murder of someone and expect your employer to be okay with that. That's not what free speech is. 

Did Kimmel mock the murder?

No. But that question was plural and has been asked here since before Kimmel got suspended. Of all the other people, teachers, analysts, anchors, etc who made insensitive comments that their employers don't like, they are not protected by free speech.

I guess for me it comes down to when should and does your employer have a legal right to terminate you for what you say or do in your personal life. Some of these firings are insane. It's not even people gloating or mocking, it's people just expressing that they aren't mourning his death because of the person he was. Ok, so what? How are the people who screamed about having to wear a mask and government overreach now not also speaking out? What a bunch of idiotic hypocrites.

Kimmel was fired by Disney due to pressure exerted by the fcc on a group of affiliates seeking a merger. The govt is using its power to silence speech and it’s wrong. He didn’t speak about CK directly. He only said the right was manipulating it to score political points. He should have known to not bring it up so close to the murder, but didnt deserve this. The FCC chairman has said many times this abuse of power is wrong.( Edit, but when trump is his boss, freedom of action is zero.)

Not that the woke left wouldnt do the exact same thing if they could on college campuses as they try to silence speech related to actions their universities take. They’d silence that speech in a hot minute if they had the power.

If he made that comment Tuesday or Wednesday it would have been different. He made that comment several days after it was well known to not be true. I think that was the bigger issue.
I agree the FCC shouldn't have gotten involved, but I wouldn't have been surprised if there was some sort of consequence. I was expecting a forced apology, not a suspension. 

what did he say that wasn't true?

“The Maga gang [is] desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them, and doing everything they can to score political points from it,” he said.

It was well known he wasn't Maga by then. You can't hear that and tell me you don't see the implications that he's calling the shooter Maga. This was a perfect example of an accusation being an admission of guilt. He was doing his best to point the finger and score political points, when the identify was actually well known by then. 

To be fair when I first read it I thought he was trying to say the shooter was MAGA which is stupid.  BUt as I read it again and again, I don't think he was saying that.  I hear him saying they are willing to categorize him without any information so long as it is anything but MAGA.  A very different statement.  I wonder which way he meant it.

Agreed

That is how I heard it and why I'm confused by the controversy. What he said is 100% accurate. They did immediately blame the left and made it all political to score points for their team. The biggest perpetrator being the divider in chief. 

Exactly!!!!

Lerxst1992

njhaley1 said:

cincybearcat said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

tbergs said:

mace1229 said:

tbergs said:

mace1229 said:

Thats not what free speech is. You can't celebrate or openly mock the cold murder of someone and expect your employer to be okay with that. That's not what free speech is. 

Did Kimmel mock the murder?

No. But that question was plural and has been asked here since before Kimmel got suspended. Of all the other people, teachers, analysts, anchors, etc who made insensitive comments that their employers don't like, they are not protected by free speech.

I guess for me it comes down to when should and does your employer have a legal right to terminate you for what you say or do in your personal life. Some of these firings are insane. It's not even people gloating or mocking, it's people just expressing that they aren't mourning his death because of the person he was. Ok, so what? How are the people who screamed about having to wear a mask and government overreach now not also speaking out? What a bunch of idiotic hypocrites.

Kimmel was fired by Disney due to pressure exerted by the fcc on a group of affiliates seeking a merger. The govt is using its power to silence speech and it’s wrong. He didn’t speak about CK directly. He only said the right was manipulating it to score political points. He should have known to not bring it up so close to the murder, but didnt deserve this. The FCC chairman has said many times this abuse of power is wrong.( Edit, but when trump is his boss, freedom of action is zero.)

Not that the woke left wouldnt do the exact same thing if they could on college campuses as they try to silence speech related to actions their universities take. They’d silence that speech in a hot minute if they had the power.

If he made that comment Tuesday or Wednesday it would have been different. He made that comment several days after it was well known to not be true. I think that was the bigger issue.
I agree the FCC shouldn't have gotten involved, but I wouldn't have been surprised if there was some sort of consequence. I was expecting a forced apology, not a suspension. 

what did he say that wasn't true?

“The Maga gang [is] desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them, and doing everything they can to score political points from it,” he said.

It was well known he wasn't Maga by then. You can't hear that and tell me you don't see the implications that he's calling the shooter Maga. This was a perfect example of an accusation being an admission of guilt. He was doing his best to point the finger and score political points, when the identify was actually well known by then. 

To be fair when I first read it I thought he was trying to say the shooter was MAGA which is stupid.  BUt as I read it again and again, I don't think he was saying that.  I hear him saying they are willing to categorize him without any information so long as it is anything but MAGA.  A very different statement.  I wonder which way he meant it.

I see this as well, I retract my previous comment.

It’s still in bad taste, easy to misinterpret, too close to a horrible murder and shows enormous insensitivity to those close to the victim. If we want better, expect others to be better,  we must be better. Hopefully this is only a suspension, and he is back on the air.

mace1229

tbergs said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

cincybearcat said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

tbergs said:

mace1229 said:

tbergs said:

mace1229 said:

Thats not what free speech is. You can't celebrate or openly mock the cold murder of someone and expect your employer to be okay with that. That's not what free speech is. 

Did Kimmel mock the murder?

No. But that question was plural and has been asked here since before Kimmel got suspended. Of all the other people, teachers, analysts, anchors, etc who made insensitive comments that their employers don't like, they are not protected by free speech.

I guess for me it comes down to when should and does your employer have a legal right to terminate you for what you say or do in your personal life. Some of these firings are insane. It's not even people gloating or mocking, it's people just expressing that they aren't mourning his death because of the person he was. Ok, so what? How are the people who screamed about having to wear a mask and government overreach now not also speaking out? What a bunch of idiotic hypocrites.

Kimmel was fired by Disney due to pressure exerted by the fcc on a group of affiliates seeking a merger. The govt is using its power to silence speech and it’s wrong. He didn’t speak about CK directly. He only said the right was manipulating it to score political points. He should have known to not bring it up so close to the murder, but didnt deserve this. The FCC chairman has said many times this abuse of power is wrong.( Edit, but when trump is his boss, freedom of action is zero.)

Not that the woke left wouldnt do the exact same thing if they could on college campuses as they try to silence speech related to actions their universities take. They’d silence that speech in a hot minute if they had the power.

If he made that comment Tuesday or Wednesday it would have been different. He made that comment several days after it was well known to not be true. I think that was the bigger issue.
I agree the FCC shouldn't have gotten involved, but I wouldn't have been surprised if there was some sort of consequence. I was expecting a forced apology, not a suspension. 

what did he say that wasn't true?

“The Maga gang [is] desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them, and doing everything they can to score political points from it,” he said.

It was well known he wasn't Maga by then. You can't hear that and tell me you don't see the implications that he's calling the shooter Maga. This was a perfect example of an accusation being an admission of guilt. He was doing his best to point the finger and score political points, when the identify was actually well known by then. 

To be fair when I first read it I thought he was trying to say the shooter was MAGA which is stupid.  BUt as I read it again and again, I don't think he was saying that.  I hear him saying they are willing to categorize him without any information so long as it is anything but MAGA.  A very different statement.  I wonder which way he meant it.

Agreed

That is how I heard it and why I'm confused by the controversy. What he said is 100% accurate. They did immediately blame the left and made it all political to score points for their team. The biggest perpetrator being the divider in chief. 

This is definitely a both sides issue. The left were claiming Maga on day 1 too. People quoting the grandma and the family as saying they are all a tight conservative family and the kid lives at home with his parents. Don't know where any of that information came from.
There were several posts jumping all over Leddbetterman when he first shared news stories of the boyfriend, which turned out to be accurate and true. So this was definitely going both ways of trying to place blame and not accepting the data as it was coming in. 

mace1229

Lerxst1992 said:

njhaley1 said:

cincybearcat said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

tbergs said:

mace1229 said:

tbergs said:

mace1229 said:

Thats not what free speech is. You can't celebrate or openly mock the cold murder of someone and expect your employer to be okay with that. That's not what free speech is. 

Did Kimmel mock the murder?

No. But that question was plural and has been asked here since before Kimmel got suspended. Of all the other people, teachers, analysts, anchors, etc who made insensitive comments that their employers don't like, they are not protected by free speech.

I guess for me it comes down to when should and does your employer have a legal right to terminate you for what you say or do in your personal life. Some of these firings are insane. It's not even people gloating or mocking, it's people just expressing that they aren't mourning his death because of the person he was. Ok, so what? How are the people who screamed about having to wear a mask and government overreach now not also speaking out? What a bunch of idiotic hypocrites.

Kimmel was fired by Disney due to pressure exerted by the fcc on a group of affiliates seeking a merger. The govt is using its power to silence speech and it’s wrong. He didn’t speak about CK directly. He only said the right was manipulating it to score political points. He should have known to not bring it up so close to the murder, but didnt deserve this. The FCC chairman has said many times this abuse of power is wrong.( Edit, but when trump is his boss, freedom of action is zero.)

Not that the woke left wouldnt do the exact same thing if they could on college campuses as they try to silence speech related to actions their universities take. They’d silence that speech in a hot minute if they had the power.

If he made that comment Tuesday or Wednesday it would have been different. He made that comment several days after it was well known to not be true. I think that was the bigger issue.
I agree the FCC shouldn't have gotten involved, but I wouldn't have been surprised if there was some sort of consequence. I was expecting a forced apology, not a suspension. 

what did he say that wasn't true?

“The Maga gang [is] desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them, and doing everything they can to score political points from it,” he said.

It was well known he wasn't Maga by then. You can't hear that and tell me you don't see the implications that he's calling the shooter Maga. This was a perfect example of an accusation being an admission of guilt. He was doing his best to point the finger and score political points, when the identify was actually well known by then. 

To be fair when I first read it I thought he was trying to say the shooter was MAGA which is stupid.  BUt as I read it again and again, I don't think he was saying that.  I hear him saying they are willing to categorize him without any information so long as it is anything but MAGA.  A very different statement.  I wonder which way he meant it.

I see this as well, I retract my previous comment.

It’s still in bad taste, easy to misinterpret, too close to a horrible murder and shows enormous insensitivity to those close to the victim. If we want better, expect others to be better,  we must be better. Hopefully this is only a suspension, and he is back on the air.

Even if the way it reads to me is the way it was intended, I do think the punishment was too strong. Should have just issued an apology the next day and moved on. 

Lerxst1992

Halifax2TheMax said:

* The following opinion is mine and mine alone and does not represent the views of my family, friends, government and/or my past, present or future employer. US Department of State: 1-888-407-4747

Further, if a private bakery can deny baking a wedding cake to a gay couple, why can’t a private company hire to have the diversity of staff that is a more accurate representation of society. Sorry, but white males aren’t the only humans that exist.

Because they are judging applicants or current employees based on gender and/or color of skin, not absolute skill nor qualifications.

picking what type of product you wish to sell has nothing to do with measuring the skills and performance  of your employees.

Your anecdotes are getting more and more horrible. Time for some self reflection how you judge people?