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OnWis97

Did ABC pull him because of what he said or because of threats from the FCC? #Dictatorship

Gern Blansten

tbergs said:

mace1229 said:

Thats not what free speech is. You can't celebrate or openly mock the cold murder of someone and expect your employer to be okay with that. That's not what free speech is. 

Did Kimmel mock the murder?

He didn't...I also saw that my alma mater (Ball State) fired a prof yesterday for a similar comment. 

In a post on her personal Facebook account, Swierc called Kirk's death "a tragedy" and said she "can and (does) feel for his wife and children."
"Charlie Kirk's death is a reflection of the violence, fear and hatred he sowed," it said. "It does not excuse his death, AND it's a sad truth."
She said the killings of Minnesota state lawmaker Melissa Hortman and her husband as well as the children killed at a school shooting in Colorado needed the level of attention Kirk has received.
"Charlie Kirk excused the deaths of children in the name of the second amendment," the post reads.

They are supposedly reviewing another prof's comments...

I'll be sure to let them know why they won't be getting any more annual contributions from me.

HughFreakingDillon

mace1229 said:

Thats not what free speech is. You can't celebrate or openly mock the cold murder of someone and expect your employer to be okay with that. That's not what free speech is. 

it wouldn't have been a free speech issue until the government-appointed head of FCC got involved and threatened the station with penalties. it's not clear cut, but there's an argument there. 

Tim Simmons

tbergs

OnWis97 said:

Did ABC pull him because of what he said or because of threats from the FCC? #Dictatorship

I think it's clear as day what's going on, the President and his minions already imposed their will through lawsuits and threats so ABC acted based on what the current admin wants. They're a shell and are clearly making it known their content is already compromised. The roll towards state controlled programming and news happened in less than 9 months. It's insane to actually see first hand what it must have been like in 1930s Germany. Who knew how easy the government would be able to get people (at least the manipulated base, politicians and SCOTUS) to agree with it all.

HughFreakingDillon

https://www.cnn.com/2025/09/17/politics/video/jimmy-kimmel-live-abc-brendan-carr-trump-jake-tapper-vrtc

mace1229

tbergs said:

mace1229 said:

Thats not what free speech is. You can't celebrate or openly mock the cold murder of someone and expect your employer to be okay with that. That's not what free speech is. 

Did Kimmel mock the murder?

No. But that question was plural and has been asked here since before Kimmel got suspended. Of all the other people, teachers, analysts, anchors, etc who made insensitive comments that their employers don't like, they are not protected by free speech.

Tim Simmons

It’s a wonder why anyone actually posts under their real name. 

mace1229

HughFreakingDillon said:

mace1229 said:

Thats not what free speech is. You can't celebrate or openly mock the cold murder of someone and expect your employer to be okay with that. That's not what free speech is. 

it wouldn't have been a free speech issue until the government-appointed head of FCC got involved and threatened the station with penalties. it's not clear cut, but there's an argument there. 

I agree with you on that. Except that question has been asked since before Kimmel. 
FCC making those statements and Trump gloating over his suspension is definitely a bad look. 

Tim Simmons

I do wonder if there would be as swift action by private companies if this Admin wasn’t in power. My guess is no. Employers, orgs, universities, etc are all afraid of retribution from people in the government, It’s not 1st amendment, but the admins thumb is on the scale. 

mace1229

Tim Simmons said:

I do wonder if there would be as swift action by private companies if this Admin wasn’t in power. My guess is no. Employers, orgs, universities, etc are all afraid of retribution from people in the government, It’s not 1st amendment, but the admins thumb is on the scale. 

I think it would be. Some of these things people are saying are just stupid. One teacher showed the video to a class of 10-11 year olds. People are doing and saying really stupid things about this. You can't be a teacher, and say someone deserved to get murdered, and expect to be placed back in a classroom with kids after that. 
And many private companies won't want to be associated with comments like that either. 

njhaley1

Tim Simmons said:

It’s a wonder why anyone actually posts under their real name. 

LOL. Or the state you live in. 

Lerxst1992

Halifax2TheMax said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

The only thing consistent around here is the lack of understanding. Consensus, it’s a thing.

Go to your next management meeting and demand to go back to rotary phones and tri-copy forms and paper in file cabinets. Then stamp your feet, pout and try to sabotage any initiative leadership is promoting. See how long you last. Then, while waiting for your unemployment benefits to kick in, write a book complaining about how your company isn’t a big tent company willing to listen to alternative ideas.

And I thought it was, “if you’re not with us, you’re with the terrorists?”

Also consistent is your bad analogies.

How so?

You make an example of wanting to go back to archaic means and methods while getting fired for them yet you state that you got fired for the company not listening to alternative ideas.

Being anti-woke is not sending us back into the stone age no matter what Trump tries to undo. Some setbacks for sure but not square 1.

This is where I thought you were going with this.

I've never been fired from a job.

My analogy was a you as in general you, and the comparison was Manchurian wanting coal to be king again, despite the dem leadership and caucus wanting to go green, not to mention public polling, and a hypothetical of an employee wanting to go back to the old, outdated method of doing business. Coal, and by extension fossil fuels to some degree (we'll never eliminate all needs/uses), are the past, while solar, wind and fusion are the future. Manchurian threw a hissy fit when his desired outcome was rejected by dem leadership and the caucus.

so you’re  admitting you’ve never been targeted by DEI quotas?


the problem with your united airlines quota example  is exactly that. When they do a restructure they will look to their quotas for employment decisions. Perhaps Pear Jam should try out DEI quotas also if they’re so great?

I hear dolly parton can still sing?

Not that I’m aware of and if I were, oh well, I’m a white male with bestowed privileges and rights, many of which women and minorities don’t enjoy. If I were, I wouldn’t piss and moan about it but pick myself up by my bootstraps and try, try again.

Reorganizations, restructuring and related staffing are dictated to some degree by union rules as in seniority in the flight attendants and pilots unions. Last hired, first fired.

I’m guessing you’ve never worked in a union environment as a union member?

Pearl Jam doesn’t need a singer. They need a drummer. Can Dolly play the drums to the PJ catalog?

So we agree they better hire Brian Blade, or they are hypocrites if they dont denounce DEI?

A little absurd bringing up unions which represent 6% of workers in private sector

so to answer the question, you have zero idea what it’s like, but refuse to listen to the other side whatsoever and perhaps learn something . Smart.

Parksy

Personal opinion for what it's worth... I'm seeing ignorance and stupidity play out in public yet again with everyone on both sides.. or all sides of the political spectrum ranting and raving about this ridiculous magic word that Americans in particular have been super proud about for decades... freedom. 

Freedom of speech is not free... 
Freedom of religion is not free...
Freedom of assembly is not free...
Freedom of association is not free... 

I use those 4 because in Canada those are our 'fundamental freedoms' as set out in what is our constitution. In that document, those fundamental freedoms exist in section 2.  No one talks about section 1... which is the section that sets out that every freedom is and shall be in some way limited. As such... freedom, not free. 

I think that most folks who are angered by a perceived lack of freedom ought to take a moment to realize that freedom is not the cornerstone of our western democracy anymore... and it hasn't been for a long time. Well before Trump...  Greed became the cornerstone of our perceived democracy. Greedy politicians and corporations have been running our countries for a long time now. 

Jimmy Kimmel getting slapped on the hand or cancelled... is not a result of freedom being stripped away.... it's a result of greed. That 'freedom' was never there to begin with. He gets paid by (and is therefore controlled by) a company that wants money. The company does what it needs to do to get money. No morals, no principles, absolutely no shame, and certainly no care for freedoms.... just money. In the sense that a dictator is now using greed and influence for his own personal gain should hopefully now show folks that most freedoms were and are an illusion. 

With Trump behind the wheel... Americans are about to learn if they haven't already that justice is also far from blind. 

Halifax2TheMax

Lerxst1992 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

The only thing consistent around here is the lack of understanding. Consensus, it’s a thing.

Go to your next management meeting and demand to go back to rotary phones and tri-copy forms and paper in file cabinets. Then stamp your feet, pout and try to sabotage any initiative leadership is promoting. See how long you last. Then, while waiting for your unemployment benefits to kick in, write a book complaining about how your company isn’t a big tent company willing to listen to alternative ideas.

And I thought it was, “if you’re not with us, you’re with the terrorists?”

Also consistent is your bad analogies.

How so?

You make an example of wanting to go back to archaic means and methods while getting fired for them yet you state that you got fired for the company not listening to alternative ideas.

Being anti-woke is not sending us back into the stone age no matter what Trump tries to undo. Some setbacks for sure but not square 1.

This is where I thought you were going with this.

I've never been fired from a job.

My analogy was a you as in general you, and the comparison was Manchurian wanting coal to be king again, despite the dem leadership and caucus wanting to go green, not to mention public polling, and a hypothetical of an employee wanting to go back to the old, outdated method of doing business. Coal, and by extension fossil fuels to some degree (we'll never eliminate all needs/uses), are the past, while solar, wind and fusion are the future. Manchurian threw a hissy fit when his desired outcome was rejected by dem leadership and the caucus.

so you’re  admitting you’ve never been targeted by DEI quotas?


the problem with your united airlines quota example  is exactly that. When they do a restructure they will look to their quotas for employment decisions. Perhaps Pear Jam should try out DEI quotas also if they’re so great?

I hear dolly parton can still sing?

Not that I’m aware of and if I were, oh well, I’m a white male with bestowed privileges and rights, many of which women and minorities don’t enjoy. If I were, I wouldn’t piss and moan about it but pick myself up by my bootstraps and try, try again.

Reorganizations, restructuring and related staffing are dictated to some degree by union rules as in seniority in the flight attendants and pilots unions. Last hired, first fired.

I’m guessing you’ve never worked in a union environment as a union member?

Pearl Jam doesn’t need a singer. They need a drummer. Can Dolly play the drums to the PJ catalog?

So we agree they better hire Brian Blade, or they are hypocrites if they dont denounce DEI?

A little absurd bringing up unions which represent 6% of workers in private sector

so to answer the question, you have zero idea what it’s like, but refuse to listen to the other side whatsoever and perhaps learn something . Smart.

* The following opinion is mine and mine alone and does not represent the views of my family, friends, government and/or my past, present or future employer. US Department of State: 1-888-407-4747

The  example is/was United Airlines. AI context. Tell him Hal sent you.

tbergs

mace1229 said:

tbergs said:

mace1229 said:

Thats not what free speech is. You can't celebrate or openly mock the cold murder of someone and expect your employer to be okay with that. That's not what free speech is. 

Did Kimmel mock the murder?

No. But that question was plural and has been asked here since before Kimmel got suspended. Of all the other people, teachers, analysts, anchors, etc who made insensitive comments that their employers don't like, they are not protected by free speech.

I guess for me it comes down to when should and does your employer have a legal right to terminate you for what you say or do in your personal life. Some of these firings are insane. It's not even people gloating or mocking, it's people just expressing that they aren't mourning his death because of the person he was. Ok, so what? How are the people who screamed about having to wear a mask and government overreach now not also speaking out? What a bunch of idiotic hypocrites.

Halifax2TheMax

* The following opinion is mine and mine alone and does not represent the views of my family, friends, government and/or my past, present or future employer. US Department of State: 1-888-407-4747

Further, if a private bakery can deny baking a wedding cake to a gay couple, why can’t a private company hire to have the diversity of staff that is a more accurate representation of society. Sorry, but white males aren’t the only humans that exist.

Lerxst1992

Halifax2TheMax said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

The only thing consistent around here is the lack of understanding. Consensus, it’s a thing.

Go to your next management meeting and demand to go back to rotary phones and tri-copy forms and paper in file cabinets. Then stamp your feet, pout and try to sabotage any initiative leadership is promoting. See how long you last. Then, while waiting for your unemployment benefits to kick in, write a book complaining about how your company isn’t a big tent company willing to listen to alternative ideas.

And I thought it was, “if you’re not with us, you’re with the terrorists?”

Also consistent is your bad analogies.

How so?

You make an example of wanting to go back to archaic means and methods while getting fired for them yet you state that you got fired for the company not listening to alternative ideas.

Being anti-woke is not sending us back into the stone age no matter what Trump tries to undo. Some setbacks for sure but not square 1.

This is where I thought you were going with this.

I've never been fired from a job.

My analogy was a you as in general you, and the comparison was Manchurian wanting coal to be king again, despite the dem leadership and caucus wanting to go green, not to mention public polling, and a hypothetical of an employee wanting to go back to the old, outdated method of doing business. Coal, and by extension fossil fuels to some degree (we'll never eliminate all needs/uses), are the past, while solar, wind and fusion are the future. Manchurian threw a hissy fit when his desired outcome was rejected by dem leadership and the caucus.

so you’re  admitting you’ve never been targeted by DEI quotas?


the problem with your united airlines quota example  is exactly that. When they do a restructure they will look to their quotas for employment decisions. Perhaps Pear Jam should try out DEI quotas also if they’re so great?

I hear dolly parton can still sing?

Not that I’m aware of and if I were, oh well, I’m a white male with bestowed privileges and rights, many of which women and minorities don’t enjoy. If I were, I wouldn’t piss and moan about it but pick myself up by my bootstraps and try, try again.

Reorganizations, restructuring and related staffing are dictated to some degree by union rules as in seniority in the flight attendants and pilots unions. Last hired, first fired.

I’m guessing you’ve never worked in a union environment as a union member?

Pearl Jam doesn’t need a singer. They need a drummer. Can Dolly play the drums to the PJ catalog?

So we agree they better hire Brian Blade, or they are hypocrites if they dont denounce DEI?

A little absurd bringing up unions which represent 6% of workers in private sector

so to answer the question, you have zero idea what it’s like, but refuse to listen to the other side whatsoever and perhaps learn something . Smart.

* The following opinion is mine and mine alone and does not represent the views of my family, friends, government and/or my past, present or future employer. US Department of State: 1-888-407-4747

The  example is/was United Airlines. AI context. Tell him Hal sent you.

False. The question is about DEI quotas, which obviously you have never been targeted as a result, so you have no idea what it’s like. The airline was an example, not the parameters of the question. Obviously for union protected employees, management has less power to achieve its quotas.

Tim Simmons

DEI doesn't have quotas

Tim Simmons

Ken White weighing in on the legal issue of Kimmel

https://bsky.app/profile/kenwhite.bsky.social/post/3lz4kpz55xs2v



/11…and much more likely simply to avoid the issue and prevent remedy through shadow docket dishonesty. No, the big problem is remedy.