DMB doing live concerts this summer outdoors - why not Pearl Jam ???

JH6056

PJNB said:

F Me In The Brain said:

The fan club message board you are on is for a band of bozos.  (Aka people who are concerned about the health of others, even people who do not have the vaccine.)

- Bozo #xxx468

So no shows until the unvaccinated get sick on their own and get immunity that way? Respect your opinion over the last year but also curious on when you think shows can happen again. I feel like those that are ok with just not seeing concerts anytime soon look at this differently than those that are really itching to get back and both sides have tunnel vision sometimes. 

Other people have already addressed the main part of your message, but I just want to point out that you make a flawed assumption here as well.  The bolded assumes there are only "those who are ok just not seeing concerts anytime soon" and "those that are really itching to get back [to concerts]", as if those are the only 2 ways to feel about it.  They're not.

There are MANY of us here, who are itching to get back, but NOT itching to do it in a risky way.  We can all argue until the damn cows come home about "what is safe" and "what is too risky", but feeling like it's not yet safe enough is NOT equal to not itching to get back to shows.  I have plenty of friends (myself included) who can't wait for the 1st show, and can't wait for a few events we hope are happening.  But we also want the bands, promoters, public health departments, and anyone else key to these decision to choose wisely, and if it is deemed too risky postpone or cancel.

Don't assume those of us "itching to go back" can't also be worried about whether it's safe to go back.

PJNB

RatherStarved said:

TH113769 said:

F Me In The Brain said:

If the vaccine meant that people could not still carry and transmit COVID then I could see people being able to do what they please....but they can still spread it.
Also, I very much hope everyone that wants to get fully vaccinated by memorial day can do so but I think that is still wishful thinking.

We will see how things play out.  Hope I'm wrong.

People speaking definitively about this have not learned much from the past year +. (That is not you or all people hoping to be back at shows soon, more those who keep saying it WILL happen.)

Still haven't found anyone to bet me with big odds from the "ohana is definitely happening" crowd....not the "SHN is absolutely happening" few.

Hope PJ shows and DMB shows can safely happen soon for all who want them.

First, I totally respect the safety and health of everyone.  That is obviously most important.  With that said, I'm happy to take your offer for a bet on Ohana happening.  I'm purely following the science as I make some of my living by doing this, and this vaccine is extremely effective (infection rates once vaccinated are .008%. or one in 12,500).  I think unfortunately there are many misconceptions about the vaccine (not working against variants, people who are vaccinate still spreading the virus, etc.) that are not necessarily correct.  Anyway, everyone should be vaccinated that wants one in 6 weeks, that gives us 4 months until Ohana - I think we are good to go.  

To the person claiming the infection rate is 1/12500, how does that jive with the 6/100 that would be the assumption based on the claimed 94% effectiveness of Moderna for example?

While I have no clue if those numbers are right Infection rates and the efficacy or effectiveness of a vaccine are different. 

If a vaccine's efficacy rate is 95 percent, you might assume that 5 out of every 100 people vaccinated people will get sick. But that's not how the math works. The actual percentage of vaccinated people who got COVID-19 in both the Pfizer and Moderna clinical trials was far smaller — just around 0.4 percent.

Efficacy is actually calculated by comparing people in a trial who got the vaccine to people who got the placebo, Wald says. So if you received the Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna vaccine, “whatever your chance was [of getting COVID-19] before, it's now 95 percent less.

https://www.aarp.org/health/conditions-treatments/info-2021/coronavirus-after-vaccination.html


I wonder how many people look at those numbers and think that is the odds of them catching covid after getting vaccinated. I bet a lot of people do. 


Thread integrity. I would love to see DMB at some point in the next couple of years but they are not playing anywhere until the governments tell him its good to go. 

F Me In The Brain

This person also seems to insinuate that people who are vaccinated cannot spread the virus, which is erroneous if that is what they are saying.

TH113769

F Me In The Brain said:

TH113769 said:

F Me In The Brain said:

If the vaccine meant that people could not still carry and transmit COVID then I could see people being able to do what they please....but they can still spread it.
Also, I very much hope everyone that wants to get fully vaccinated by memorial day can do so but I think that is still wishful thinking.

We will see how things play out.  Hope I'm wrong.

People speaking definitively about this have not learned much from the past year +. (That is not you or all people hoping to be back at shows soon, more those who keep saying it WILL happen.)

Still haven't found anyone to bet me with big odds from the "ohana is definitely happening" crowd....not the "SHN is absolutely happening" few.

Hope PJ shows and DMB shows can safely happen soon for all who want them.

First, I totally respect the safety and health of everyone.  That is obviously most important.  With that said, I'm happy to take your offer for a bet on Ohana happening.  I'm purely following the science as I make some of my living by doing this, and this vaccine is extremely effective (infection rates once vaccinated are .008%. or one in 12,500).  I think unfortunately there are many misconceptions about the vaccine (not working against variants, people who are vaccinate still spreading the virus, etc.) that are not necessarily correct.  Anyway, everyone should be vaccinated that wants one in 6 weeks, that gives us 4 months until Ohana - I think we are good to go.  





Sweet!
Will you give me 10 to 1?
I'll bet you a hundred at those odds.
I offered in that thread when multiple people were expressing that Ohana would happen for sure but nobody would back up their certainty and take the easy money on a sure thing.

You in?

I'm not giving 10 to 1 odds.  I thought you wanted to do an even bet - sorry, didn't see the other thread.  I will give you 2-1 though.  Good odds if you are convinced it isn't happening.  

TH113769

F Me In The Brain said:

This person also seems to insinuate that people who are vaccinated cannot spread the virus, which is erroneous if that is what they are saying.

“If you can’t get infected, you can’t infect anyone else, which means the vaccines can reduce transmission as well as the disease,” said Marm Kilpatrick, an infectious diseases researcher at the University of California, Santa Cruz,

F Me In The Brain

TH113769 said:

F Me In The Brain said:

This person also seems to insinuate that people who are vaccinated cannot spread the virus, which is erroneous if that is what they are saying.

“If you can’t get infected, you can’t infect anyone else, which means the vaccines can reduce transmission as well as the disease,” said Marm Kilpatrick, an infectious diseases researcher at the University of California, Santa Cruz,

But you can get Covid if you are vaccinated.  I wish you could not but you can.

F Me In The Brain

TH113769 said:

F Me In The Brain said:

TH113769 said:

F Me In The Brain said:

If the vaccine meant that people could not still carry and transmit COVID then I could see people being able to do what they please....but they can still spread it.
Also, I very much hope everyone that wants to get fully vaccinated by memorial day can do so but I think that is still wishful thinking.

We will see how things play out.  Hope I'm wrong.

People speaking definitively about this have not learned much from the past year +. (That is not you or all people hoping to be back at shows soon, more those who keep saying it WILL happen.)

Still haven't found anyone to bet me with big odds from the "ohana is definitely happening" crowd....not the "SHN is absolutely happening" few.

Hope PJ shows and DMB shows can safely happen soon for all who want them.

First, I totally respect the safety and health of everyone.  That is obviously most important.  With that said, I'm happy to take your offer for a bet on Ohana happening.  I'm purely following the science as I make some of my living by doing this, and this vaccine is extremely effective (infection rates once vaccinated are .008%. or one in 12,500).  I think unfortunately there are many misconceptions about the vaccine (not working against variants, people who are vaccinate still spreading the virus, etc.) that are not necessarily correct.  Anyway, everyone should be vaccinated that wants one in 6 weeks, that gives us 4 months until Ohana - I think we are good to go.  





Sweet!
Will you give me 10 to 1?
I'll bet you a hundred at those odds.
I offered in that thread when multiple people were expressing that Ohana would happen for sure but nobody would back up their certainty and take the easy money on a sure thing.

You in?

I'm not giving 10 to 1 odds.  I thought you wanted to do an even bet - sorry, didn't see the other thread.  I will give you 2-1 though.  Good odds if you are convinced it isn't happening.  

Sorry, I know you didn't post in that thread - the call for big odds was due to people presenting as only idiots didn't understand that the concerts were going to happen.  If they were so sure it would be an easy bet.
Not interested in a close bet....I hope I'm wrong.  Don't want to root for this to remain a problem.

TH113769

F Me In The Brain said:

TH113769 said:

F Me In The Brain said:

TH113769 said:

F Me In The Brain said:

If the vaccine meant that people could not still carry and transmit COVID then I could see people being able to do what they please....but they can still spread it.
Also, I very much hope everyone that wants to get fully vaccinated by memorial day can do so but I think that is still wishful thinking.

We will see how things play out.  Hope I'm wrong.

People speaking definitively about this have not learned much from the past year +. (That is not you or all people hoping to be back at shows soon, more those who keep saying it WILL happen.)

Still haven't found anyone to bet me with big odds from the "ohana is definitely happening" crowd....not the "SHN is absolutely happening" few.

Hope PJ shows and DMB shows can safely happen soon for all who want them.

First, I totally respect the safety and health of everyone.  That is obviously most important.  With that said, I'm happy to take your offer for a bet on Ohana happening.  I'm purely following the science as I make some of my living by doing this, and this vaccine is extremely effective (infection rates once vaccinated are .008%. or one in 12,500).  I think unfortunately there are many misconceptions about the vaccine (not working against variants, people who are vaccinate still spreading the virus, etc.) that are not necessarily correct.  Anyway, everyone should be vaccinated that wants one in 6 weeks, that gives us 4 months until Ohana - I think we are good to go.  





Sweet!
Will you give me 10 to 1?
I'll bet you a hundred at those odds.
I offered in that thread when multiple people were expressing that Ohana would happen for sure but nobody would back up their certainty and take the easy money on a sure thing.

You in?

I'm not giving 10 to 1 odds.  I thought you wanted to do an even bet - sorry, didn't see the other thread.  I will give you 2-1 though.  Good odds if you are convinced it isn't happening.  

Sorry, I know you didn't post in that thread - the call for big odds was due to people presenting as old idiots didn't understand that the concerts were going to happen.  If they were so sure it would be an easy bet.
Not interested in a close bet....I hope I'm wrong.  Don't want to root for this to remain a problem.

No problem at all for not betting  I don't think anyone is an idiot - everyone's opinion is respected. My opinion is that we, as a country, have done of poor job of educating people on how well these vaccines are actually working and therefore people should get vaccinated and wipe this thing out.  Fortunately, I live in AZ and things are pretty damn normal.  We see local shows in clubs, eat out, drink at bars, etc.  Everyone I know seems to be vaccinated and there is massive vaccine supply for anyone 16+ years old.  I check almost daily to make sure I could make a vaccine appt just to see what supply is like.  

Now for Ohana, I really think we start seeing massive better data very soon as things will be "back to normal" in late summer, hence the festival will go on.  I'm going to stay positive, positive!  Stay safe and healthy everyone.  

E-G-A-G

F Me In The Brain said:

OceansJenny said:

What this board was missing was another thread to fight about covid.

When can we go back to bitching about our seat allocation or win/loss in the 10c lottery?

When Covid stops being an issue.
Until then those topics don't matter

  .     

#Gutted

Foriginal Sin

drfox said:

Aren’t Pearl Jam a significantly more popular band than DMB? I know here in Europe no one has heard of DMB. I only ever heard of them a couple of years ago. Not really famous like PJ, Foo Fighters etc. Assume DMB will play to smaller crowds unlike massive shows for PJ

DMB is arguably WAY more popular than Pearl Jam. People know they’re around, people still wonder if Pearl Jam had an album after Vitalogy

Tim Simmons

And most people can't name a DMB album after Everyday. and lets be honest, its not like they've put out a record since then that really rocked fans worlds, let alone the larger population. 

Having been a massive fan of both in my 42 years (I went from hardcore PJ in early mid 90s to hardcore DMB in the mid 90s to early 00s) , I would say they are equally as popular. DMB just plays more shows and thus, to more fans. Either way, both bands are massively successful 30 years later and sell out pretty much every show in massive places.

mrussel1

Tim Simmons said:

And most people can't name a DMB album after Everyday. and lets be honest, its not like they've put out a record since then that really rocked fans worlds, let alone the larger population. 

Having been a massive fan of both in my 42 years (I went from hardcore PJ in early mid 90s to hardcore DMB in the mid 90s to early 00s) , I would say they are equally as popular. DMB just plays more shows and thus, to more fans. Either way, both bands are massively successful 30 years later and sell out pretty much every show in massive places.

When Butch was still there and before Roi died, they were a monster live. So tight, so focused, and yet so free in their exploration on stage.  Shows were so fun and amazing.  Things got stagnate between Away and now, but I thought the 19 tour was vey good.  I hope they come back strong. Dave’s set selection can be strange sometimes, if you get him on he wrong night.

JimmyV

DMB for RRHOF

matt84

Saw DMB when they were on the same line-up as Springsteen at Hyde Park in 2009. Had I not saw them live that day I doubt I would have a clue who they were today.

RatherStarved

PJNB said:

RatherStarved said:

TH113769 said:

F Me In The Brain said:

If the vaccine meant that people could not still carry and transmit COVID then I could see people being able to do what they please....but they can still spread it.
Also, I very much hope everyone that wants to get fully vaccinated by memorial day can do so but I think that is still wishful thinking.

We will see how things play out.  Hope I'm wrong.

People speaking definitively about this have not learned much from the past year +. (That is not you or all people hoping to be back at shows soon, more those who keep saying it WILL happen.)

Still haven't found anyone to bet me with big odds from the "ohana is definitely happening" crowd....not the "SHN is absolutely happening" few.

Hope PJ shows and DMB shows can safely happen soon for all who want them.

First, I totally respect the safety and health of everyone.  That is obviously most important.  With that said, I'm happy to take your offer for a bet on Ohana happening.  I'm purely following the science as I make some of my living by doing this, and this vaccine is extremely effective (infection rates once vaccinated are .008%. or one in 12,500).  I think unfortunately there are many misconceptions about the vaccine (not working against variants, people who are vaccinate still spreading the virus, etc.) that are not necessarily correct.  Anyway, everyone should be vaccinated that wants one in 6 weeks, that gives us 4 months until Ohana - I think we are good to go.  

To the person claiming the infection rate is 1/12500, how does that jive with the 6/100 that would be the assumption based on the claimed 94% effectiveness of Moderna for example?

While I have no clue if those numbers are right Infection rates and the efficacy or effectiveness of a vaccine are different. 

If a vaccine's efficacy rate is 95 percent, you might assume that 5 out of every 100 people vaccinated people will get sick. But that's not how the math works. The actual percentage of vaccinated people who got COVID-19 in both the Pfizer and Moderna clinical trials was far smaller — just around 0.4 percent.

Efficacy is actually calculated by comparing people in a trial who got the vaccine to people who got the placebo, Wald says. So if you received the Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna vaccine, “whatever your chance was [of getting COVID-19] before, it's now 95 percent less.

https://www.aarp.org/health/conditions-treatments/info-2021/coronavirus-after-vaccination.html


I wonder how many people look at those numbers and think that is the odds of them catching covid after getting vaccinated. I bet a lot of people do. 


Thread integrity. I would love to see DMB at some point in the next couple of years but they are not playing anywhere until the governments tell him its good to go. 

If the math is as you suggest, and it does make sense the way you explain it, then SHN should absolutely be able to happen.  Crossing fingers now.  

mrussel1

matt84 said:

Saw DMB when they were on the same line-up as Springsteen at Hyde Park in 2009. Had I not saw them live that day I doubt I would have a clue who they were today.

For ten years, starting around 98, the sold more tickets than any other act in the world.  

BF25394

matt84 said:

Saw DMB when they were on the same line-up as Springsteen at Hyde Park in 2009. Had I not saw them live that day I doubt I would have a clue who they were today.

They're the ones with Dave Matthews.  That's how I tell them apart from other bands.

mcgruff10

Just got back from a devils/rangers game.  20% indoor capacity, it s getting better every day!  I see a fall pj tour  on the horizon. 

on2legs

mcgruff10 said:

Just got back from a devils/rangers game.  20% indoor capacity, it s getting better every day!  I see a fall pj tour  on the horizon. 

That’s awesome.  😁

F Me In The Brain

mcgruff10 said:

Just got back from a devils/rangers game.  20% indoor capacity, it s getting better every day!  I see a fall pj tour  on the horizon. 

Did you have to show vax card?  Distancing?