Look, guys, I'm as unimpressed as anyone with the hard right, but personal attacks never changed anyone's mind, especially in a forum that doesn't allow it. I think it makes more sense to ignore personal statements you and I think are bullshit. Beats taking the chance of getting a time out.
A generalized statement of disdain for the far-right though-- yeah, I think that is fair game.
Maybe we can use this moment to try and decipher how and why horrible rumors like this get spread so easily though? Generally speaking, of course, it seems as if the people spreading them are gleeful about it and spend no effort in trying to determine if it's true or not. Why is maga so consumed with trans people in the first place? I think these are legitimate things to discuss.
Good points. I totally agree we can and ought to talk about these subjects. I just don't think making personal attacks are helpful. If someone says something ridiculous of off base, a better approach (and if this is not OK, someone should let me know) might be to illustrate how ridiculous their comment is. Like this, for example:
Kamala sucks and everyone knows it. Sorry your TDS is so bad that you
can't even accept the facts for facts without somehow bringing Trump
into every conversation. That is ridiculous.
I don't think Kamala Harris sucks. I think she is doing a decent job. But if everybody knows she sucks, I must be a nobody.
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Look, guys, I'm as unimpressed as anyone with the hard right, but personal attacks never changed anyone's mind, especially in a forum that doesn't allow it. I think it makes more sense to ignore personal statements you and I think are bullshit. Beats taking the chance of getting a time out.
A generalized statement of disdain for the far-right though-- yeah, I think that is fair game.
Maybe we can use this moment to try and decipher how and why horrible rumors like this get spread so easily though? Generally speaking, of course, it seems as if the people spreading them are gleeful about it and spend no effort in trying to determine if it's true or not. Why is maga so consumed with trans people in the first place? I think these are legitimate things to discuss.
Good points. I totally agree we can and ought to talk about these subjects. I just don't think making personal attacks are helpful. If someone says something ridiculous of off base, a better approach (and if this is not OK, someone should let me know) might be to illustrate how ridiculous their comment is. Like this, for example:
Kamala sucks and everyone knows it. Sorry your TDS is so bad that you
can't even accept the facts for facts without somehow bringing Trump
into every conversation. That is ridiculous.
I don't think Kamala Harris sucks. I think she is doing a decent job. But if everybody knows she sucks, I must be a nobody.
I suddenly feel strangely disembodied.
Before reading your quote, I thought the gif was in reference to certain people avoiding the board today.
Are we really still using the term 'canceled' in a serious manner?
I don't know. is there a new, flashier term the kids are using now? permanent social hiatus, perhaps?
IDK, it felt like a silly contrived term 2 years ago, it feels even sillier now.
Who's recently been 'canceled', anyone?
& who's been permanently 'canceled'? Mel Gibson still gets work... Louis CK was nominated for a grammy this year.
What drives me insane is people from the right complaining about lefties "cancelling" people (i.e. Aldean) and then directly rejoicing in the cancelling of Bud Light, Target, etc.
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Are we really still using the term 'canceled' in a serious manner?
I don't know. is there a new, flashier term the kids are using now? permanent social hiatus, perhaps?
IDK, it felt like a silly contrived term 2 years ago, it feels even sillier now.
Who's recently been 'canceled', anyone?
& who's been permanently 'canceled'? Mel Gibson still gets work... Louis CK was nominated for a grammy this year.
What drives me insane is people from the right complaining about lefties "cancelling" people (i.e. Aldean) and then directly rejoicing in the cancelling of Bud Light, Target, etc.
It's a term that suggests victimhood, when in so many cases it was an appropriate reaction to shitty behavior... crying about being canceled was just crying about facing consequences of ones own actions.
That's not to say society / the mob hasn't overreacted in certain situations, but it's not the phenomenon that it was made out to be.
Are we really still using the term 'canceled' in a serious manner?
I don't know. is there a new, flashier term the kids are using now? permanent social hiatus, perhaps?
IDK, it felt like a silly contrived term 2 years ago, it feels even sillier now.
Who's recently been 'canceled', anyone?
& who's been permanently 'canceled'? Mel Gibson still gets work... Louis CK was nominated for a grammy this year.
seen Roseanne lately?
She's one... I guess Gina Carano too, but IIRC correctly they were unapologetic about saying some pretty racist / anti-Semitic shit, and now no one wants to hire them. (although I think Roseanne had a couple things on Fox earlier this year)
IDK... if I have that right, it doesn't sound like victimhood... just consequences to shitty behavior.
I don't think being cancelled makes it sound like they are victims. but either way, it's just semantics. society always comes up with flashy simple terms to call things. this isn't any different. and I don't think being "cancelled" is so absolute, where the requirement is being wiped from society; it just means people are facing consequences for their actions. there will always be SOMEONE in some dark corner (fox news) that takes them back.
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Those who cancel are considered "woke". Woke goes to FL to die.
I wouldn't mind seeing both those terms- "woke" and "cancelled"- simply die and go away. They have both been co-opted and re-co-opted and re-re-co-opted to the point of being meaningless.
And I'm not saying they should be banned or cancelled (lol), but at some point they become useless barbs rather than a reflection of studied and critical thinking. "Politically Correct", for example, has pretty much died off because it has become cliched and useless. All of these popular buzz words will have little or no meaning in the historical near future.
I'm also not saying a certain amount of colloquialism in language is a bad thing. I can dig. It's cool. Those are phrases that have stuck around and work well in certain circumstances. But in general, I think it would be more useful to improving communication if being articulate became more popular, attractive, and common. Language is degrading to the point of becoming vague or even base.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
Those who cancel are considered "woke". Woke goes to FL to die.
I wouldn't mind seeing both those terms- "woke" and "cancelled"- simply die and go away. They have both been co-opted and re-co-opted and re-re-co-opted to the point of being meaningless.
And I'm not saying they should be banned or cancelled (lol), but at some point they become useless barbs rather than a reflection of studied and critical thinking. "Politically Correct", for example, has pretty much died off because it has become cliched and useless. All of these popular buzz words will have little or no meaning in the historical near future.
I'm also not saying a certain amount of colloquialism in language is a bad thing. I can dig. It's cool. Those are phrases that have stuck around and work well in certain circumstances. But in general, I think it would be more useful to improving communication if being articulate became more popular, attractive, and common. Language is degrading to the point of becoming vague or even base.
people (my wife) always get confused when I say "I'm down". they're like "soooo...does that mean you're in, or..not?".
it's short for "down with that" folks, which means you like it/are interested! come on!
Those who cancel are considered "woke". Woke goes to FL to die.
I wouldn't mind seeing both those terms- "woke" and "cancelled"- simply die and go away. They have both been co-opted and re-co-opted and re-re-co-opted to the point of being meaningless.
And I'm not saying they should be banned or cancelled (lol), but at some point they become useless barbs rather than a reflection of studied and critical thinking. "Politically Correct", for example, has pretty much died off because it has become cliched and useless. All of these popular buzz words will have little or no meaning in the historical near future.
I'm also not saying a certain amount of colloquialism in language is a bad thing. I can dig. It's cool. Those are phrases that have stuck around and work well in certain circumstances. But in general, I think it would be more useful to improving communication if being articulate became more popular, attractive, and common. Language is degrading to the point of becoming vague or even base.
I don't think being cancelled makes it sound like they are victims. but either way, it's just semantics. society always comes up with flashy simple terms to call things. this isn't any different. and I don't think being "cancelled" is so absolute, where the requirement is being wiped from society; it just means people are facing consequences for their actions. there will always be SOMEONE in some dark corner (fox news) that takes them back.
I disagree, most of the ways I've seen it used has always carried a connotation of unfairness, which shouldn't come as a surprise... it was used predominantly in the right wing media ecosphere, which has mastered the victimhood routine.
You brought up Roseanne... does she deserve another tv show? If so, why?
Networks don't want to deal with her bullshit or have her attached to their brand which is their right. Isn't that the free market at work?
I don't think being cancelled makes it sound like they are victims. but either way, it's just semantics. society always comes up with flashy simple terms to call things. this isn't any different. and I don't think being "cancelled" is so absolute, where the requirement is being wiped from society; it just means people are facing consequences for their actions. there will always be SOMEONE in some dark corner (fox news) that takes them back.
I disagree, most of the ways I've seen it used has always carried a connotation of unfairness, which shouldn't come as a surprise... it was used predominantly in the right wing media ecosphere, which has mastered the victimhood routine.
You brought up Roseanne... does she deserve another tv show? If so, why?
Networks don't want to deal with her bullshit or have her attached to their brand which is their right. Isn't that the free market at work?
Nor do certain advertisers, all though I’m sure My Pillow, tactical this, that and the other thing and buy gold now would be happy to advertise with her show.
I don't think being cancelled makes it sound like they are victims. but either way, it's just semantics. society always comes up with flashy simple terms to call things. this isn't any different. and I don't think being "cancelled" is so absolute, where the requirement is being wiped from society; it just means people are facing consequences for their actions. there will always be SOMEONE in some dark corner (fox news) that takes them back.
I disagree, most of the ways I've seen it used has always carried a connotation of unfairness, which shouldn't come as a surprise... it was used predominantly in the right wing media ecosphere, which has mastered the victimhood routine.
You brought up Roseanne... does she deserve another tv show? If so, why?
Networks don't want to deal with her bullshit or have her attached to their brand which is their right. Isn't that the free market at work?
She's a comedian and makes fun of people. Don Rickles would have been out of a job if he lived in todays world.
Yes she deserves another show. She's funny and her shows were always groundbreaking. They were woke before the term was a thing.
I don't think being cancelled makes it sound like they are victims. but either way, it's just semantics. society always comes up with flashy simple terms to call things. this isn't any different. and I don't think being "cancelled" is so absolute, where the requirement is being wiped from society; it just means people are facing consequences for their actions. there will always be SOMEONE in some dark corner (fox news) that takes them back.
I disagree, most of the ways I've seen it used has always carried a connotation of unfairness, which shouldn't come as a surprise... it was used predominantly in the right wing media ecosphere, which has mastered the victimhood routine.
You brought up Roseanne... does she deserve another tv show? If so, why?
Networks don't want to deal with her bullshit or have her attached to their brand which is their right. Isn't that the free market at work?
She's a comedian and makes fun of people. Don Rickles would have been out of a job if he lived in todays world.
Yes she deserves another show. She's funny and her shows were always groundbreaking. They were woke before the term was a thing.
Yeah, I don't know... I get your point, but OTOH, I don't give comedians a free pass just because they're comedians. I get that they've always pushed the envelope, but modern day standup seems weird to me, and doesn't feel all that smart. (at least what I've seen of it)
I watched Bill Burr's Red Rocks special, and maybe it's me, but it doesn't resonate with me anymore... he wasn't offensive, I like the guy, and I think he's a smart comedian, it just felt flat and weird.
Regarding Roseanne, if ABC or any other network wants nothing to do with her, that's their prerogative, no? If there was a market or audience for her, her standup special from February would have got more traction IMO. That it didn't speaks volumes.
He hasn't been canceled, he just played Mansfield the other night.
To me that whole thing just seemed like the media trying to create a story that wasn’t even there. I think it shows the failure of how journalism has responded to the existence of social media. Now many of them will just drag twitter etc. to find a story they can inflate. The problem being that social media is rarely a reflection of real life and instead gives the impression that fringe is commonplace.
What a sham…So not fair for the biological woman competitors. Would love to hear how anyone can think this man’s inclusion in woman’s swimming is acceptable and celebrated.
What a sham…So not fair for the biological woman competitors. Would love to hear how anyone can think this man’s inclusion in woman’s swimming is acceptable and celebrated.
What a sham…So not fair for the biological woman competitors. Would love to hear how anyone can think this man’s inclusion in woman’s swimming is acceptable and celebrated.
I don't think being cancelled makes it sound like they are victims. but either way, it's just semantics. society always comes up with flashy simple terms to call things. this isn't any different. and I don't think being "cancelled" is so absolute, where the requirement is being wiped from society; it just means people are facing consequences for their actions. there will always be SOMEONE in some dark corner (fox news) that takes them back.
I disagree, most of the ways I've seen it used has always carried a connotation of unfairness, which shouldn't come as a surprise... it was used predominantly in the right wing media ecosphere, which has mastered the victimhood routine.
You brought up Roseanne... does she deserve another tv show? If so, why?
Networks don't want to deal with her bullshit or have her attached to their brand which is their right. Isn't that the free market at work?
the first while that cancel culture became a thing, I only saw it in regular media (I don't pay attention to right wing media whatsoever). It wasn't until later that the right decided to make it another culture war. but that's just my experience.
it's not up to me to say whether she deserves another tv show or not. I honestly don't care either way. If someone wants to be in the news, they'll hire her. I won't boycott it because of who she is. I just won't watch it because I don't find her particularly funny.
I'm not sure why you are even asking me about how the free market works. I never argued she should or shouldn't ever get another job.
I still watch Louis CK comedies. Why? Because I think he's funny.
I don't think being cancelled makes it sound like they are victims. but either way, it's just semantics. society always comes up with flashy simple terms to call things. this isn't any different. and I don't think being "cancelled" is so absolute, where the requirement is being wiped from society; it just means people are facing consequences for their actions. there will always be SOMEONE in some dark corner (fox news) that takes them back.
I disagree, most of the ways I've seen it used has always carried a connotation of unfairness, which shouldn't come as a surprise... it was used predominantly in the right wing media ecosphere, which has mastered the victimhood routine.
You brought up Roseanne... does she deserve another tv show? If so, why?
Networks don't want to deal with her bullshit or have her attached to their brand which is their right. Isn't that the free market at work?
the first while that cancel culture became a thing, I only saw it in regular media (I don't pay attention to right wing media whatsoever). It wasn't until later that the right decided to make it another culture war. but that's just my experience.
it's not up to me to say whether she deserves another tv show or not. I honestly don't care either way. If someone wants to be in the news, they'll hire her. I won't boycott it because of who she is. I just won't watch it because I don't find her particularly funny.
I'm not sure why you are even asking me about how the free market works. I never argued she should or shouldn't ever get another job.
I still watch Louis CK comedies. Why? Because I think he's funny.
Only because you brought her up. Re: Louis CK, no judgement here.
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Are we really still using the term 'canceled' in a serious manner?
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Before reading your quote, I thought the gif was in reference to certain people avoiding the board today.
I would be hiding too.
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Who's recently been 'canceled', anyone?
& who's been permanently 'canceled'? Mel Gibson still gets work... Louis CK was nominated for a grammy this year.
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2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
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2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
That's not to say society / the mob hasn't overreacted in certain situations, but it's not the phenomenon that it was made out to be.
& the Jason Aldean thing is a perfect example.
He hasn't been canceled, he just played Mansfield the other night.
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She's one... I guess Gina Carano too, but IIRC correctly they were unapologetic about saying some pretty racist / anti-Semitic shit, and now no one wants to hire them. (although I think Roseanne had a couple things on Fox earlier this year)
IDK... if I have that right, it doesn't sound like victimhood... just consequences to shitty behavior.
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2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
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it's short for "down with that" folks, which means you like it/are interested! come on!
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I disagree, most of the ways I've seen it used has always carried a connotation of unfairness, which shouldn't come as a surprise... it was used predominantly in the right wing media ecosphere, which has mastered the victimhood routine.
You brought up Roseanne... does she deserve another tv show? If so, why?
Networks don't want to deal with her bullshit or have her attached to their brand which is their right. Isn't that the free market at work?
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Yes she deserves another show. She's funny and her shows were always groundbreaking. They were woke before the term was a thing.
She is an insane magat at this point.
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2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
I watched Bill Burr's Red Rocks special, and maybe it's me, but it doesn't resonate with me anymore... he wasn't offensive, I like the guy, and I think he's a smart comedian, it just felt flat and weird.
Regarding Roseanne, if ABC or any other network wants nothing to do with her, that's their prerogative, no?
If there was a market or audience for her, her standup special from February would have got more traction IMO. That it didn't speaks volumes.
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2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
it's not up to me to say whether she deserves another tv show or not. I honestly don't care either way. If someone wants to be in the news, they'll hire her. I won't boycott it because of who she is. I just won't watch it because I don't find her particularly funny.
I'm not sure why you are even asking me about how the free market works. I never argued she should or shouldn't ever get another job.
I still watch Louis CK comedies. Why? Because I think he's funny.
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2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana