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  • Maybe there’s a tape?
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  • static111static111 Posts: 4,889
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    here is one of the two people blowing up biden's agenda. nothing pisses me off more than people who constantly underdress. she is in the senate chamber and as far as i know it is not casual friday. it's like "i am gonna show up to work dressing like some of the insurrectionists" or something. maybe she is dressing for the job she wants, ie no longer in the senate, rather than the job she has.


    She needs a tan pantsuit.
    I haven't figured her out.  I mean I get Manchin, and I get he is representing his state which is pretty conservative, poor, and tied to dirty energy for jobs.  But what's her story?  I don't understand. 
    she is bought and paid for. she is being paid to sabotage the biden agenda.

    the only reason she is not switching to gop is because she would have to give up all of her power. she would just be one of the many. in the democratic party she has a say on anything the dems try to pass because she is a likely holdout on many bills.
    Bought and paid by whom?  As far as I can tell she is:

    Pro choice
    Pro gun control
    Pro Obamacare
    Pro Fed education standards
    Anti-wall
    Anti-kick out the immigrants

    and more..

    She's a pretty down the line Democrat and none of her key yes/no positions fall into the right side of the aisle.  She's just right of most of the party, but does not cross the line.  The difference is that she isn't moving her position right now.  So I'm wondering what gets her there. 
    her net worth shot up from I believe 31k to over a million after becoming a senator...that's a huge increase in two years for a $174,000 a year position. I'd say follow the money. Follow the fortuitous investments etc.  I'm sure some outlet will provide some insight if the stonewalling continues.
    I call bullshit on that.  
    https://www.opensecrets.org/personal-finances/kyrsten-sinema/net-worth?cid=N00033983&year=2018  Their data only goes to 2018 currently.   If the current reporting of $1m is accurate we will know soon enough.  It’s certainly not a stretch to say that something is off here.

    yes, the website is. those are two entries of retirement plans in Arizona for public employees. first as a state rep then a state senator. before she served 3 terms in Congress, which she was seated in in 2018...Then she was elected to Senate...
    mrussel1 said:
    And if she is worth a million, it would be from legitimate book sales or the like.  The two articles I read said that she accepted 750K in donations from pharmaceuticals.  Maybe that's right but that doesn't go to her personally and then get reported in her net worth.  The articles are connecting the two for the least sophisticated reader, without slandering her direclty.
    My bad well I guess that clears it up.  There is obviously no foul play with Sinema.
    So we assume corruption based on twitter accusations? Is that where we are these days?
    Isn't that why there was so much scrutiny of trump that came to nothing so far?
    By your own logic,  that means Sinema is clean. 
    Well obviously anyone that can not be proved guilty is completely innocent.
    Scio me nihil scire

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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,627
    static111 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    static111 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    static111 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    static111 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    static111 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    here is one of the two people blowing up biden's agenda. nothing pisses me off more than people who constantly underdress. she is in the senate chamber and as far as i know it is not casual friday. it's like "i am gonna show up to work dressing like some of the insurrectionists" or something. maybe she is dressing for the job she wants, ie no longer in the senate, rather than the job she has.


    She needs a tan pantsuit.
    I haven't figured her out.  I mean I get Manchin, and I get he is representing his state which is pretty conservative, poor, and tied to dirty energy for jobs.  But what's her story?  I don't understand. 
    she is bought and paid for. she is being paid to sabotage the biden agenda.

    the only reason she is not switching to gop is because she would have to give up all of her power. she would just be one of the many. in the democratic party she has a say on anything the dems try to pass because she is a likely holdout on many bills.
    Bought and paid by whom?  As far as I can tell she is:

    Pro choice
    Pro gun control
    Pro Obamacare
    Pro Fed education standards
    Anti-wall
    Anti-kick out the immigrants

    and more..

    She's a pretty down the line Democrat and none of her key yes/no positions fall into the right side of the aisle.  She's just right of most of the party, but does not cross the line.  The difference is that she isn't moving her position right now.  So I'm wondering what gets her there. 
    her net worth shot up from I believe 31k to over a million after becoming a senator...that's a huge increase in two years for a $174,000 a year position. I'd say follow the money. Follow the fortuitous investments etc.  I'm sure some outlet will provide some insight if the stonewalling continues.
    I call bullshit on that.  
    https://www.opensecrets.org/personal-finances/kyrsten-sinema/net-worth?cid=N00033983&year=2018  Their data only goes to 2018 currently.   If the current reporting of $1m is accurate we will know soon enough.  It’s certainly not a stretch to say that something is off here.

    yes, the website is. those are two entries of retirement plans in Arizona for public employees. first as a state rep then a state senator. before she served 3 terms in Congress, which she was seated in in 2018...Then she was elected to Senate...
    mrussel1 said:
    And if she is worth a million, it would be from legitimate book sales or the like.  The two articles I read said that she accepted 750K in donations from pharmaceuticals.  Maybe that's right but that doesn't go to her personally and then get reported in her net worth.  The articles are connecting the two for the least sophisticated reader, without slandering her direclty.
    My bad well I guess that clears it up.  There is obviously no foul play with Sinema.
    So we assume corruption based on twitter accusations? Is that where we are these days?
    Isn't that why there was so much scrutiny of trump that came to nothing so far?
    By your own logic,  that means Sinema is clean. 
    Well obviously anyone that can not be proved guilty is completely innocent.
    Really? This is where you are on this? Where is your source that she's worth a million? You're required to report this along with the nature of your assets.  From where did this accusation come? You made it,  so where did you discover it?

    And Mickey is dead right on his comment from open secrets.  It's seems accurate that was limited to state controlled retirement.  No stocks, equity, nothing else.  
  • static111static111 Posts: 4,889
    Maybe there’s a tape?
    No way man Trump did nothing wrong his whole presidency, nothing but perfect calls.  If he had done anything wrong our bullet proof justice system and FBI would have been all over it.
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  • static111static111 Posts: 4,889
    mrussel1 said:
    static111 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    static111 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    static111 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    static111 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    static111 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    here is one of the two people blowing up biden's agenda. nothing pisses me off more than people who constantly underdress. she is in the senate chamber and as far as i know it is not casual friday. it's like "i am gonna show up to work dressing like some of the insurrectionists" or something. maybe she is dressing for the job she wants, ie no longer in the senate, rather than the job she has.


    She needs a tan pantsuit.
    I haven't figured her out.  I mean I get Manchin, and I get he is representing his state which is pretty conservative, poor, and tied to dirty energy for jobs.  But what's her story?  I don't understand. 
    she is bought and paid for. she is being paid to sabotage the biden agenda.

    the only reason she is not switching to gop is because she would have to give up all of her power. she would just be one of the many. in the democratic party she has a say on anything the dems try to pass because she is a likely holdout on many bills.
    Bought and paid by whom?  As far as I can tell she is:

    Pro choice
    Pro gun control
    Pro Obamacare
    Pro Fed education standards
    Anti-wall
    Anti-kick out the immigrants

    and more..

    She's a pretty down the line Democrat and none of her key yes/no positions fall into the right side of the aisle.  She's just right of most of the party, but does not cross the line.  The difference is that she isn't moving her position right now.  So I'm wondering what gets her there. 
    her net worth shot up from I believe 31k to over a million after becoming a senator...that's a huge increase in two years for a $174,000 a year position. I'd say follow the money. Follow the fortuitous investments etc.  I'm sure some outlet will provide some insight if the stonewalling continues.
    I call bullshit on that.  
    https://www.opensecrets.org/personal-finances/kyrsten-sinema/net-worth?cid=N00033983&year=2018  Their data only goes to 2018 currently.   If the current reporting of $1m is accurate we will know soon enough.  It’s certainly not a stretch to say that something is off here.

    yes, the website is. those are two entries of retirement plans in Arizona for public employees. first as a state rep then a state senator. before she served 3 terms in Congress, which she was seated in in 2018...Then she was elected to Senate...
    mrussel1 said:
    And if she is worth a million, it would be from legitimate book sales or the like.  The two articles I read said that she accepted 750K in donations from pharmaceuticals.  Maybe that's right but that doesn't go to her personally and then get reported in her net worth.  The articles are connecting the two for the least sophisticated reader, without slandering her direclty.
    My bad well I guess that clears it up.  There is obviously no foul play with Sinema.
    So we assume corruption based on twitter accusations? Is that where we are these days?
    Isn't that why there was so much scrutiny of trump that came to nothing so far?
    By your own logic,  that means Sinema is clean. 
    Well obviously anyone that can not be proved guilty is completely innocent.
    Really? This is where you are on this? Where is your source that she's worth a million? You're required to report this along with the nature of your assets.  From where did this accusation come? You made it,  so where did you discover it?

    And Mickey is dead right on his comment from open secrets.  It's seems accurate that was limited to state controlled retirement.  No stocks, equity, nothing else.  
    You win, she is just a stauch centrist with no other motivations than bipartisanship.
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  • static111static111 Posts: 4,889
    mrussel1 said:
    static111 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    static111 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    static111 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    static111 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    static111 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    here is one of the two people blowing up biden's agenda. nothing pisses me off more than people who constantly underdress. she is in the senate chamber and as far as i know it is not casual friday. it's like "i am gonna show up to work dressing like some of the insurrectionists" or something. maybe she is dressing for the job she wants, ie no longer in the senate, rather than the job she has.


    She needs a tan pantsuit.
    I haven't figured her out.  I mean I get Manchin, and I get he is representing his state which is pretty conservative, poor, and tied to dirty energy for jobs.  But what's her story?  I don't understand. 
    she is bought and paid for. she is being paid to sabotage the biden agenda.

    the only reason she is not switching to gop is because she would have to give up all of her power. she would just be one of the many. in the democratic party she has a say on anything the dems try to pass because she is a likely holdout on many bills.
    Bought and paid by whom?  As far as I can tell she is:

    Pro choice
    Pro gun control
    Pro Obamacare
    Pro Fed education standards
    Anti-wall
    Anti-kick out the immigrants

    and more..

    She's a pretty down the line Democrat and none of her key yes/no positions fall into the right side of the aisle.  She's just right of most of the party, but does not cross the line.  The difference is that she isn't moving her position right now.  So I'm wondering what gets her there. 
    her net worth shot up from I believe 31k to over a million after becoming a senator...that's a huge increase in two years for a $174,000 a year position. I'd say follow the money. Follow the fortuitous investments etc.  I'm sure some outlet will provide some insight if the stonewalling continues.
    I call bullshit on that.  
    https://www.opensecrets.org/personal-finances/kyrsten-sinema/net-worth?cid=N00033983&year=2018  Their data only goes to 2018 currently.   If the current reporting of $1m is accurate we will know soon enough.  It’s certainly not a stretch to say that something is off here.

    yes, the website is. those are two entries of retirement plans in Arizona for public employees. first as a state rep then a state senator. before she served 3 terms in Congress, which she was seated in in 2018...Then she was elected to Senate...
    mrussel1 said:
    And if she is worth a million, it would be from legitimate book sales or the like.  The two articles I read said that she accepted 750K in donations from pharmaceuticals.  Maybe that's right but that doesn't go to her personally and then get reported in her net worth.  The articles are connecting the two for the least sophisticated reader, without slandering her direclty.
    My bad well I guess that clears it up.  There is obviously no foul play with Sinema.
    So we assume corruption based on twitter accusations? Is that where we are these days?
    Isn't that why there was so much scrutiny of trump that came to nothing so far?
    By your own logic,  that means Sinema is clean. 
    Well obviously anyone that can not be proved guilty is completely innocent.
    Really? This is where you are on this? Where is your source that she's worth a million? You're required to report this along with the nature of your assets.  From where did this accusation come? You made it,  so where did you discover it?

    And Mickey is dead right on his comment from open secrets.  It's seems accurate that was limited to state controlled retirement.  No stocks, equity, nothing else.  
    This is why Rs win, if someone like sinema was distracting from their agenda Moscow Mitch would smoke them out.  Meanwhile we benefit of the doubt ourselves back into republican control.  And then people have the audacity to say this next election is the most important in your lifetime and this time we really will pass meaningful reform and legislation. Pfffft.
    Scio me nihil scire

    There are no kings inside the gates of eden
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,627
    static111 said:
    mrussel1 said:
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    mrussel1 said:
    static111 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    static111 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    static111 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    static111 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    here is one of the two people blowing up biden's agenda. nothing pisses me off more than people who constantly underdress. she is in the senate chamber and as far as i know it is not casual friday. it's like "i am gonna show up to work dressing like some of the insurrectionists" or something. maybe she is dressing for the job she wants, ie no longer in the senate, rather than the job she has.


    She needs a tan pantsuit.
    I haven't figured her out.  I mean I get Manchin, and I get he is representing his state which is pretty conservative, poor, and tied to dirty energy for jobs.  But what's her story?  I don't understand. 
    she is bought and paid for. she is being paid to sabotage the biden agenda.

    the only reason she is not switching to gop is because she would have to give up all of her power. she would just be one of the many. in the democratic party she has a say on anything the dems try to pass because she is a likely holdout on many bills.
    Bought and paid by whom?  As far as I can tell she is:

    Pro choice
    Pro gun control
    Pro Obamacare
    Pro Fed education standards
    Anti-wall
    Anti-kick out the immigrants

    and more..

    She's a pretty down the line Democrat and none of her key yes/no positions fall into the right side of the aisle.  She's just right of most of the party, but does not cross the line.  The difference is that she isn't moving her position right now.  So I'm wondering what gets her there. 
    her net worth shot up from I believe 31k to over a million after becoming a senator...that's a huge increase in two years for a $174,000 a year position. I'd say follow the money. Follow the fortuitous investments etc.  I'm sure some outlet will provide some insight if the stonewalling continues.
    I call bullshit on that.  
    https://www.opensecrets.org/personal-finances/kyrsten-sinema/net-worth?cid=N00033983&year=2018  Their data only goes to 2018 currently.   If the current reporting of $1m is accurate we will know soon enough.  It’s certainly not a stretch to say that something is off here.

    yes, the website is. those are two entries of retirement plans in Arizona for public employees. first as a state rep then a state senator. before she served 3 terms in Congress, which she was seated in in 2018...Then she was elected to Senate...
    mrussel1 said:
    And if she is worth a million, it would be from legitimate book sales or the like.  The two articles I read said that she accepted 750K in donations from pharmaceuticals.  Maybe that's right but that doesn't go to her personally and then get reported in her net worth.  The articles are connecting the two for the least sophisticated reader, without slandering her direclty.
    My bad well I guess that clears it up.  There is obviously no foul play with Sinema.
    So we assume corruption based on twitter accusations? Is that where we are these days?
    Isn't that why there was so much scrutiny of trump that came to nothing so far?
    By your own logic,  that means Sinema is clean. 
    Well obviously anyone that can not be proved guilty is completely innocent.
    Really? This is where you are on this? Where is your source that she's worth a million? You're required to report this along with the nature of your assets.  From where did this accusation come? You made it,  so where did you discover it?

    And Mickey is dead right on his comment from open secrets.  It's seems accurate that was limited to state controlled retirement.  No stocks, equity, nothing else.  
    This is why Rs win, if someone like sinema was distracting from their agenda Moscow Mitch would smoke them out.  Meanwhile we benefit of the doubt ourselves back into republican control.  And then people have the audacity to say this next election is the most important in your lifetime and this time we really will pass meaningful reform and legislation. Pfffft.
    That's fine,  I won't disagree with that.  I also said a few times that I don't understand her end game yet.  I get Manchin's. So she needs to be clear with what she wants for her state and get a deal done.  She's not above criticism.  
  • static111static111 Posts: 4,889
    mrussel1 said:
    static111 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    static111 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    static111 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    static111 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    static111 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    static111 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    here is one of the two people blowing up biden's agenda. nothing pisses me off more than people who constantly underdress. she is in the senate chamber and as far as i know it is not casual friday. it's like "i am gonna show up to work dressing like some of the insurrectionists" or something. maybe she is dressing for the job she wants, ie no longer in the senate, rather than the job she has.


    She needs a tan pantsuit.
    I haven't figured her out.  I mean I get Manchin, and I get he is representing his state which is pretty conservative, poor, and tied to dirty energy for jobs.  But what's her story?  I don't understand. 
    she is bought and paid for. she is being paid to sabotage the biden agenda.

    the only reason she is not switching to gop is because she would have to give up all of her power. she would just be one of the many. in the democratic party she has a say on anything the dems try to pass because she is a likely holdout on many bills.
    Bought and paid by whom?  As far as I can tell she is:

    Pro choice
    Pro gun control
    Pro Obamacare
    Pro Fed education standards
    Anti-wall
    Anti-kick out the immigrants

    and more..

    She's a pretty down the line Democrat and none of her key yes/no positions fall into the right side of the aisle.  She's just right of most of the party, but does not cross the line.  The difference is that she isn't moving her position right now.  So I'm wondering what gets her there. 
    her net worth shot up from I believe 31k to over a million after becoming a senator...that's a huge increase in two years for a $174,000 a year position. I'd say follow the money. Follow the fortuitous investments etc.  I'm sure some outlet will provide some insight if the stonewalling continues.
    I call bullshit on that.  
    https://www.opensecrets.org/personal-finances/kyrsten-sinema/net-worth?cid=N00033983&year=2018  Their data only goes to 2018 currently.   If the current reporting of $1m is accurate we will know soon enough.  It’s certainly not a stretch to say that something is off here.

    yes, the website is. those are two entries of retirement plans in Arizona for public employees. first as a state rep then a state senator. before she served 3 terms in Congress, which she was seated in in 2018...Then she was elected to Senate...
    mrussel1 said:
    And if she is worth a million, it would be from legitimate book sales or the like.  The two articles I read said that she accepted 750K in donations from pharmaceuticals.  Maybe that's right but that doesn't go to her personally and then get reported in her net worth.  The articles are connecting the two for the least sophisticated reader, without slandering her direclty.
    My bad well I guess that clears it up.  There is obviously no foul play with Sinema.
    So we assume corruption based on twitter accusations? Is that where we are these days?
    Isn't that why there was so much scrutiny of trump that came to nothing so far?
    By your own logic,  that means Sinema is clean. 
    Well obviously anyone that can not be proved guilty is completely innocent.
    Really? This is where you are on this? Where is your source that she's worth a million? You're required to report this along with the nature of your assets.  From where did this accusation come? You made it,  so where did you discover it?

    And Mickey is dead right on his comment from open secrets.  It's seems accurate that was limited to state controlled retirement.  No stocks, equity, nothing else.  
    This is why Rs win, if someone like sinema was distracting from their agenda Moscow Mitch would smoke them out.  Meanwhile we benefit of the doubt ourselves back into republican control.  And then people have the audacity to say this next election is the most important in your lifetime and this time we really will pass meaningful reform and legislation. Pfffft.
    That's fine,  I won't disagree with that.  I also said a few times that I don't understand her end game yet.  I get Manchin's. So she needs to be clear with what she wants for her state and get a deal done.  She's not above criticism.  
    Lately it seems that the only people that are happy with her in her state are Republicans.  And she still has not made it clear what she wants for her state. 
    Scio me nihil scire

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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,627
    static111 said:
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    mickeyrat said:
    static111 said:
    mrussel1 said:
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    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    here is one of the two people blowing up biden's agenda. nothing pisses me off more than people who constantly underdress. she is in the senate chamber and as far as i know it is not casual friday. it's like "i am gonna show up to work dressing like some of the insurrectionists" or something. maybe she is dressing for the job she wants, ie no longer in the senate, rather than the job she has.


    She needs a tan pantsuit.
    I haven't figured her out.  I mean I get Manchin, and I get he is representing his state which is pretty conservative, poor, and tied to dirty energy for jobs.  But what's her story?  I don't understand. 
    she is bought and paid for. she is being paid to sabotage the biden agenda.

    the only reason she is not switching to gop is because she would have to give up all of her power. she would just be one of the many. in the democratic party she has a say on anything the dems try to pass because she is a likely holdout on many bills.
    Bought and paid by whom?  As far as I can tell she is:

    Pro choice
    Pro gun control
    Pro Obamacare
    Pro Fed education standards
    Anti-wall
    Anti-kick out the immigrants

    and more..

    She's a pretty down the line Democrat and none of her key yes/no positions fall into the right side of the aisle.  She's just right of most of the party, but does not cross the line.  The difference is that she isn't moving her position right now.  So I'm wondering what gets her there. 
    her net worth shot up from I believe 31k to over a million after becoming a senator...that's a huge increase in two years for a $174,000 a year position. I'd say follow the money. Follow the fortuitous investments etc.  I'm sure some outlet will provide some insight if the stonewalling continues.
    I call bullshit on that.  
    https://www.opensecrets.org/personal-finances/kyrsten-sinema/net-worth?cid=N00033983&year=2018  Their data only goes to 2018 currently.   If the current reporting of $1m is accurate we will know soon enough.  It’s certainly not a stretch to say that something is off here.

    yes, the website is. those are two entries of retirement plans in Arizona for public employees. first as a state rep then a state senator. before she served 3 terms in Congress, which she was seated in in 2018...Then she was elected to Senate...
    mrussel1 said:
    And if she is worth a million, it would be from legitimate book sales or the like.  The two articles I read said that she accepted 750K in donations from pharmaceuticals.  Maybe that's right but that doesn't go to her personally and then get reported in her net worth.  The articles are connecting the two for the least sophisticated reader, without slandering her direclty.
    My bad well I guess that clears it up.  There is obviously no foul play with Sinema.
    So we assume corruption based on twitter accusations? Is that where we are these days?
    Isn't that why there was so much scrutiny of trump that came to nothing so far?
    By your own logic,  that means Sinema is clean. 
    Well obviously anyone that can not be proved guilty is completely innocent.
    Really? This is where you are on this? Where is your source that she's worth a million? You're required to report this along with the nature of your assets.  From where did this accusation come? You made it,  so where did you discover it?

    And Mickey is dead right on his comment from open secrets.  It's seems accurate that was limited to state controlled retirement.  No stocks, equity, nothing else.  
    This is why Rs win, if someone like sinema was distracting from their agenda Moscow Mitch would smoke them out.  Meanwhile we benefit of the doubt ourselves back into republican control.  And then people have the audacity to say this next election is the most important in your lifetime and this time we really will pass meaningful reform and legislation. Pfffft.
    That's fine,  I won't disagree with that.  I also said a few times that I don't understand her end game yet.  I get Manchin's. So she needs to be clear with what she wants for her state and get a deal done.  She's not above criticism.  
    Lately it seems that the only people that are happy with her in her state are Republicans.  And she still has not made it clear what she wants for her state. 
    Agreed, she's an enigma.  H2M's post from that Politico article is pretty clear that's their conclusion too.  It's interesting that they make a point that she uses the other side of the aisle and manipulates people into support.  That's pretty clever.  I don't know if that's her long game here or not.  Probably too early to say.  But this is much higher stakes than AZ house stuff so she better play her winning hand soon.  
  • mrussel1 said:
    that is, in my opinion, the biggest issue facing american politics. the fact that this extreme lobbying is allowed. buying a politician is just done, wide out in the open. it's completely accepted. it's unbelievable. 
    This is bullshit too.  No offense. It's illegal and prosecuted.  
    how is it bullshit? we see evidence of it every freaking day. 
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    mrussel1 said:
    that is, in my opinion, the biggest issue facing american politics. the fact that this extreme lobbying is allowed. buying a politician is just done, wide out in the open. it's completely accepted. it's unbelievable. 
    This is bullshit too.  No offense. It's illegal and prosecuted.  
    how is it bullshit? we see evidence of it every freaking day. 
    Show me an example of a politician directly receiving money from a lobbyist to their personal net worth that is not prosecuted.  That's the accusation against Sinema, which as of today, is completely baseless.  Not even Trump does that.  He is smart enough to have everything go into his PAC and then travels around on that.  But he can't buy a car, a house, or anything else personal using lobbyist or individual donation money because that is a crime.  Your accusation, if connected to the Sinema accusation, is that happens every day and we all see it but it isn't being prosecuted.  I call bullshit on that. 
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,478
    first site from a search titled "sinema financial disclosures"  includes links to her staff too...
    click on a name and it brings up linked reports by year/filing....

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    mickeyrat said:
    first site from a search titled "sinema financial disclosures"  includes links to her staff too...
    click on a name and it brings up linked reports by year/filing....

    That is paywall.  Here is her official financial disclosure from May.  She reported extra income of 23k from an adjunct teaching gig and then something from a winery for $1100.  Her total assets are still rather small.  

    https://sec.report/Senate-Stock-Disclosures/Sinema/Kyrsten/429aa5eb-0b1f-470b-a5ee-10eaf7f43770
  • mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    that is, in my opinion, the biggest issue facing american politics. the fact that this extreme lobbying is allowed. buying a politician is just done, wide out in the open. it's completely accepted. it's unbelievable. 
    This is bullshit too.  No offense. It's illegal and prosecuted.  
    how is it bullshit? we see evidence of it every freaking day. 
    Show me an example of a politician directly receiving money from a lobbyist to their personal net worth that is not prosecuted.  That's the accusation against Sinema, which as of today, is completely baseless.  Not even Trump does that.  He is smart enough to have everything go into his PAC and then travels around on that.  But he can't buy a car, a house, or anything else personal using lobbyist or individual donation money because that is a crime.  Your accusation, if connected to the Sinema accusation, is that happens every day and we all see it but it isn't being prosecuted.  I call bullshit on that. 
    no, I'm not saying that people are just getting a briefcase full of cash for a promise. I don't know exactly how it works or how they do it, but when you do the math, senators making $174K a year, but having millions in net worth, doesn't fucking add up. that's just math. 

    I'm sure it's hidden. I'm sure it's funneled, etc. No, I don't have direct evidence. I'm not saying a blanket "all politicians are corrupt". But you have to admit, if I'm making $174K a year, I shouldn't have a millions in assets. 

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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,478
    mrussel1 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    first site from a search titled "sinema financial disclosures"  includes links to her staff too...
    click on a name and it brings up linked reports by year/filing....

    That is paywall.  Here is her official financial disclosure from May.  She reported extra income of 23k from an adjunct teaching gig and then something from a winery for $1100.  Her total assets are still rather small.  

    https://sec.report/Senate-Stock-Disclosures/Sinema/Kyrsten/429aa5eb-0b1f-470b-a5ee-10eaf7f43770

    ok. And I guess open secrets caught up.....


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    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    that is, in my opinion, the biggest issue facing american politics. the fact that this extreme lobbying is allowed. buying a politician is just done, wide out in the open. it's completely accepted. it's unbelievable. 
    This is bullshit too.  No offense. It's illegal and prosecuted.  
    how is it bullshit? we see evidence of it every freaking day. 
    Show me an example of a politician directly receiving money from a lobbyist to their personal net worth that is not prosecuted.  That's the accusation against Sinema, which as of today, is completely baseless.  Not even Trump does that.  He is smart enough to have everything go into his PAC and then travels around on that.  But he can't buy a car, a house, or anything else personal using lobbyist or individual donation money because that is a crime.  Your accusation, if connected to the Sinema accusation, is that happens every day and we all see it but it isn't being prosecuted.  I call bullshit on that. 
    no, I'm not saying that people are just getting a briefcase full of cash for a promise. I don't know exactly how it works or how they do it, but when you do the math, senators making $174K a year, but having millions in net worth, doesn't fucking add up. that's just math. 

    I'm sure it's hidden. I'm sure it's funneled, etc. No, I don't have direct evidence. I'm not saying a blanket "all politicians are corrupt". But you have to admit, if I'm making $174K a year, I shouldn't have a millions in assets. 

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_members_of_the_United_States_Congress_by_wealth
    People don't become senators as their first job out of college.  These are men/women from means who are either family money or became wealthy.  It's the patrician's job in the US.  The first person on your list is Mark Warner.  He is a multi-millionaire who founded the venture capitalist firm that create Nextel cellular in the 90s.  They don't need the $174k a year.  
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,627
    mickeyrat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    first site from a search titled "sinema financial disclosures"  includes links to her staff too...
    click on a name and it brings up linked reports by year/filing....

    That is paywall.  Here is her official financial disclosure from May.  She reported extra income of 23k from an adjunct teaching gig and then something from a winery for $1100.  Her total assets are still rather small.  

    https://sec.report/Senate-Stock-Disclosures/Sinema/Kyrsten/429aa5eb-0b1f-470b-a5ee-10eaf7f43770

    ok. And I guess open secrets caught up.....


    Right but this is campaign finance, not personal net worth from what I can tell. 
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,478
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    mrussel1 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    first site from a search titled "sinema financial disclosures"  includes links to her staff too...
    click on a name and it brings up linked reports by year/filing....

    That is paywall.  Here is her official financial disclosure from May.  She reported extra income of 23k from an adjunct teaching gig and then something from a winery for $1100.  Her total assets are still rather small.  

    https://sec.report/Senate-Stock-Disclosures/Sinema/Kyrsten/429aa5eb-0b1f-470b-a5ee-10eaf7f43770

    ok. And I guess open secrets caught up.....


    Right but this is campaign finance, not personal net worth from what I can tell. 

    the "other data" tab
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    mickeyrat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    first site from a search titled "sinema financial disclosures"  includes links to her staff too...
    click on a name and it brings up linked reports by year/filing....

    That is paywall.  Here is her official financial disclosure from May.  She reported extra income of 23k from an adjunct teaching gig and then something from a winery for $1100.  Her total assets are still rather small.  

    https://sec.report/Senate-Stock-Disclosures/Sinema/Kyrsten/429aa5eb-0b1f-470b-a5ee-10eaf7f43770

    ok. And I guess open secrets caught up.....


    Right but this is campaign finance, not personal net worth from what I can tell. 

    the "other data" tab
    I see it.  Looks to be in line with the SEC report.  Shows two other sources of income and a relatively low net worth.  My guess is that she is there for one term, establishes contacts adn relationships on the Hill and then becomes a lobbyist, using her ties.  That's probably her long game to make money.  It's about after her time in the senate. 
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,478
    mrussel1 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    first site from a search titled "sinema financial disclosures"  includes links to her staff too...
    click on a name and it brings up linked reports by year/filing....

    That is paywall.  Here is her official financial disclosure from May.  She reported extra income of 23k from an adjunct teaching gig and then something from a winery for $1100.  Her total assets are still rather small.  

    https://sec.report/Senate-Stock-Disclosures/Sinema/Kyrsten/429aa5eb-0b1f-470b-a5ee-10eaf7f43770

    ok. And I guess open secrets caught up.....


    Right but this is campaign finance, not personal net worth from what I can tell. 

    the "other data" tab
    I see it.  Looks to be in line with the SEC report.  Shows two other sources of income and a relatively low net worth.  My guess is that she is there for one term, establishes contacts adn relationships on the Hill and then becomes a lobbyist, using her ties.  That's probably her long game to make money.  It's about after her time in the senate. 

    not so sure, if the politico piece is accurate in its assesment and the opinions of those interviewed.

    I could see her trying to give mitch a run for his money in her own way....
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,627
    mickeyrat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    first site from a search titled "sinema financial disclosures"  includes links to her staff too...
    click on a name and it brings up linked reports by year/filing....

    That is paywall.  Here is her official financial disclosure from May.  She reported extra income of 23k from an adjunct teaching gig and then something from a winery for $1100.  Her total assets are still rather small.  

    https://sec.report/Senate-Stock-Disclosures/Sinema/Kyrsten/429aa5eb-0b1f-470b-a5ee-10eaf7f43770

    ok. And I guess open secrets caught up.....


    Right but this is campaign finance, not personal net worth from what I can tell. 

    the "other data" tab
    I see it.  Looks to be in line with the SEC report.  Shows two other sources of income and a relatively low net worth.  My guess is that she is there for one term, establishes contacts adn relationships on the Hill and then becomes a lobbyist, using her ties.  That's probably her long game to make money.  It's about after her time in the senate. 

    not so sure, if the politico piece is accurate in its assesment and the opinions of those interviewed.

    I could see her trying to give mitch a run for his money in her own way....
    Well she is setting herself up for a primary loss if she keeps playing it this way.  That's why I think she might just be there to build the relationships for after she leaves..  She won't get wealthy as a senator, only as an ex senator.  There is a two year cooling off period where you can't lobby, but that's easy to get through.  She would make 3x + as a lobbyist. 
  • mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    that is, in my opinion, the biggest issue facing american politics. the fact that this extreme lobbying is allowed. buying a politician is just done, wide out in the open. it's completely accepted. it's unbelievable. 
    This is bullshit too.  No offense. It's illegal and prosecuted.  
    how is it bullshit? we see evidence of it every freaking day. 
    Show me an example of a politician directly receiving money from a lobbyist to their personal net worth that is not prosecuted.  That's the accusation against Sinema, which as of today, is completely baseless.  Not even Trump does that.  He is smart enough to have everything go into his PAC and then travels around on that.  But he can't buy a car, a house, or anything else personal using lobbyist or individual donation money because that is a crime.  Your accusation, if connected to the Sinema accusation, is that happens every day and we all see it but it isn't being prosecuted.  I call bullshit on that. 
    no, I'm not saying that people are just getting a briefcase full of cash for a promise. I don't know exactly how it works or how they do it, but when you do the math, senators making $174K a year, but having millions in net worth, doesn't fucking add up. that's just math. 

    I'm sure it's hidden. I'm sure it's funneled, etc. No, I don't have direct evidence. I'm not saying a blanket "all politicians are corrupt". But you have to admit, if I'm making $174K a year, I shouldn't have a millions in assets. 

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_members_of_the_United_States_Congress_by_wealth
    People don't become senators as their first job out of college.  These are men/women from means who are either family money or became wealthy.  It's the patrician's job in the US.  The first person on your list is Mark Warner.  He is a multi-millionaire who founded the venture capitalist firm that create Nextel cellular in the 90s.  They don't need the $174k a year.  
    if all these people are receiving for their campaigns are the monies being disclosed, then why do they "need" that either? the average lobbyist spending amounts on open secrets is in the same range as their salaries. so why would a lobbyist be influential if the recipient doesn't need the money? i realize that no politician wants to spend their own money on campaigns, but still, in the grand scheme, these amounts are piddly compared to their net worth. (and yes, I realize net worth isn't liquid money). 
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,627
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    that is, in my opinion, the biggest issue facing american politics. the fact that this extreme lobbying is allowed. buying a politician is just done, wide out in the open. it's completely accepted. it's unbelievable. 
    This is bullshit too.  No offense. It's illegal and prosecuted.  
    how is it bullshit? we see evidence of it every freaking day. 
    Show me an example of a politician directly receiving money from a lobbyist to their personal net worth that is not prosecuted.  That's the accusation against Sinema, which as of today, is completely baseless.  Not even Trump does that.  He is smart enough to have everything go into his PAC and then travels around on that.  But he can't buy a car, a house, or anything else personal using lobbyist or individual donation money because that is a crime.  Your accusation, if connected to the Sinema accusation, is that happens every day and we all see it but it isn't being prosecuted.  I call bullshit on that. 
    no, I'm not saying that people are just getting a briefcase full of cash for a promise. I don't know exactly how it works or how they do it, but when you do the math, senators making $174K a year, but having millions in net worth, doesn't fucking add up. that's just math. 

    I'm sure it's hidden. I'm sure it's funneled, etc. No, I don't have direct evidence. I'm not saying a blanket "all politicians are corrupt". But you have to admit, if I'm making $174K a year, I shouldn't have a millions in assets. 

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_members_of_the_United_States_Congress_by_wealth
    People don't become senators as their first job out of college.  These are men/women from means who are either family money or became wealthy.  It's the patrician's job in the US.  The first person on your list is Mark Warner.  He is a multi-millionaire who founded the venture capitalist firm that create Nextel cellular in the 90s.  They don't need the $174k a year.  
    if all these people are receiving for their campaigns are the monies being disclosed, then why do they "need" that either? the average lobbyist spending amounts on open secrets is in the same range as their salaries. so why would a lobbyist be influential if the recipient doesn't need the money? i realize that no politician wants to spend their own money on campaigns, but still, in the grand scheme, these amounts are piddly compared to their net worth. (and yes, I realize net worth isn't liquid money). 
    Because it's about the campaign contributions..  Now you can't xfer that to yourself, but that is your key to getting re-elected.  If you dn't have fat campaign contributions, you're dead in the water unless you use your own money.  Glen Youngkin (GOP gov candidate here in VA) is funding his campaign heavily using his own money and is overwhelming Terry McCauliffe on TV.  Most people understandably do not want to self fund.  
  • mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    that is, in my opinion, the biggest issue facing american politics. the fact that this extreme lobbying is allowed. buying a politician is just done, wide out in the open. it's completely accepted. it's unbelievable. 
    This is bullshit too.  No offense. It's illegal and prosecuted.  
    how is it bullshit? we see evidence of it every freaking day. 
    Show me an example of a politician directly receiving money from a lobbyist to their personal net worth that is not prosecuted.  That's the accusation against Sinema, which as of today, is completely baseless.  Not even Trump does that.  He is smart enough to have everything go into his PAC and then travels around on that.  But he can't buy a car, a house, or anything else personal using lobbyist or individual donation money because that is a crime.  Your accusation, if connected to the Sinema accusation, is that happens every day and we all see it but it isn't being prosecuted.  I call bullshit on that. 
    no, I'm not saying that people are just getting a briefcase full of cash for a promise. I don't know exactly how it works or how they do it, but when you do the math, senators making $174K a year, but having millions in net worth, doesn't fucking add up. that's just math. 

    I'm sure it's hidden. I'm sure it's funneled, etc. No, I don't have direct evidence. I'm not saying a blanket "all politicians are corrupt". But you have to admit, if I'm making $174K a year, I shouldn't have a millions in assets. 

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_members_of_the_United_States_Congress_by_wealth
    People don't become senators as their first job out of college.  These are men/women from means who are either family money or became wealthy.  It's the patrician's job in the US.  The first person on your list is Mark Warner.  He is a multi-millionaire who founded the venture capitalist firm that create Nextel cellular in the 90s.  They don't need the $174k a year.  
    if all these people are receiving for their campaigns are the monies being disclosed, then why do they "need" that either? the average lobbyist spending amounts on open secrets is in the same range as their salaries. so why would a lobbyist be influential if the recipient doesn't need the money? i realize that no politician wants to spend their own money on campaigns, but still, in the grand scheme, these amounts are piddly compared to their net worth. (and yes, I realize net worth isn't liquid money). 
    Because it's about the campaign contributions..  Now you can't xfer that to yourself, but that is your key to getting re-elected.  If you dn't have fat campaign contributions, you're dead in the water unless you use your own money.  Glen Youngkin (GOP gov candidate here in VA) is funding his campaign heavily using his own money and is overwhelming Terry McCauliffe on TV.  Most people understandably do not want to self fund.  
    k, i'll try again. you said "they don't need the $174". if that's the case, why would $85K influence them in any way? why would certain senators vote certain ways that make no sense for their constituents if that amount is truly the real amount?

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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,627
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    that is, in my opinion, the biggest issue facing american politics. the fact that this extreme lobbying is allowed. buying a politician is just done, wide out in the open. it's completely accepted. it's unbelievable. 
    This is bullshit too.  No offense. It's illegal and prosecuted.  
    how is it bullshit? we see evidence of it every freaking day. 
    Show me an example of a politician directly receiving money from a lobbyist to their personal net worth that is not prosecuted.  That's the accusation against Sinema, which as of today, is completely baseless.  Not even Trump does that.  He is smart enough to have everything go into his PAC and then travels around on that.  But he can't buy a car, a house, or anything else personal using lobbyist or individual donation money because that is a crime.  Your accusation, if connected to the Sinema accusation, is that happens every day and we all see it but it isn't being prosecuted.  I call bullshit on that. 
    no, I'm not saying that people are just getting a briefcase full of cash for a promise. I don't know exactly how it works or how they do it, but when you do the math, senators making $174K a year, but having millions in net worth, doesn't fucking add up. that's just math. 

    I'm sure it's hidden. I'm sure it's funneled, etc. No, I don't have direct evidence. I'm not saying a blanket "all politicians are corrupt". But you have to admit, if I'm making $174K a year, I shouldn't have a millions in assets. 

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_members_of_the_United_States_Congress_by_wealth
    People don't become senators as their first job out of college.  These are men/women from means who are either family money or became wealthy.  It's the patrician's job in the US.  The first person on your list is Mark Warner.  He is a multi-millionaire who founded the venture capitalist firm that create Nextel cellular in the 90s.  They don't need the $174k a year.  
    if all these people are receiving for their campaigns are the monies being disclosed, then why do they "need" that either? the average lobbyist spending amounts on open secrets is in the same range as their salaries. so why would a lobbyist be influential if the recipient doesn't need the money? i realize that no politician wants to spend their own money on campaigns, but still, in the grand scheme, these amounts are piddly compared to their net worth. (and yes, I realize net worth isn't liquid money). 
    Because it's about the campaign contributions..  Now you can't xfer that to yourself, but that is your key to getting re-elected.  If you dn't have fat campaign contributions, you're dead in the water unless you use your own money.  Glen Youngkin (GOP gov candidate here in VA) is funding his campaign heavily using his own money and is overwhelming Terry McCauliffe on TV.  Most people understandably do not want to self fund.  
    k, i'll try again. you said "they don't need the $174". if that's the case, why would $85K influence them in any way? why would certain senators vote certain ways that make no sense for their constituents if that amount is truly the real amount?

    If I have $200 in my wallet consistently, my work shelling out for a $2 coffee isn't going to make me a company man. 
    I don't know what the $85k is, but let's take Mitch as an example.  He was up for re-election in 2020.  He raised $65MM for his re-election committee.  That meant he could overwhelm any opponent on TV, internet, FB, wherever.  Now the people who gave him the $65MM did it for a reason.  They want something back in the form of legislation or blocking legislation.  Mitch doesn't need $174K, but he sure as hell doesn't want to throw down millions of his personal money in a campaign either.  
  • mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
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    that is, in my opinion, the biggest issue facing american politics. the fact that this extreme lobbying is allowed. buying a politician is just done, wide out in the open. it's completely accepted. it's unbelievable. 
    This is bullshit too.  No offense. It's illegal and prosecuted.  
    how is it bullshit? we see evidence of it every freaking day. 
    Show me an example of a politician directly receiving money from a lobbyist to their personal net worth that is not prosecuted.  That's the accusation against Sinema, which as of today, is completely baseless.  Not even Trump does that.  He is smart enough to have everything go into his PAC and then travels around on that.  But he can't buy a car, a house, or anything else personal using lobbyist or individual donation money because that is a crime.  Your accusation, if connected to the Sinema accusation, is that happens every day and we all see it but it isn't being prosecuted.  I call bullshit on that. 
    no, I'm not saying that people are just getting a briefcase full of cash for a promise. I don't know exactly how it works or how they do it, but when you do the math, senators making $174K a year, but having millions in net worth, doesn't fucking add up. that's just math. 

    I'm sure it's hidden. I'm sure it's funneled, etc. No, I don't have direct evidence. I'm not saying a blanket "all politicians are corrupt". But you have to admit, if I'm making $174K a year, I shouldn't have a millions in assets. 

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_members_of_the_United_States_Congress_by_wealth
    People don't become senators as their first job out of college.  These are men/women from means who are either family money or became wealthy.  It's the patrician's job in the US.  The first person on your list is Mark Warner.  He is a multi-millionaire who founded the venture capitalist firm that create Nextel cellular in the 90s.  They don't need the $174k a year.  
    if all these people are receiving for their campaigns are the monies being disclosed, then why do they "need" that either? the average lobbyist spending amounts on open secrets is in the same range as their salaries. so why would a lobbyist be influential if the recipient doesn't need the money? i realize that no politician wants to spend their own money on campaigns, but still, in the grand scheme, these amounts are piddly compared to their net worth. (and yes, I realize net worth isn't liquid money). 
    Because it's about the campaign contributions..  Now you can't xfer that to yourself, but that is your key to getting re-elected.  If you dn't have fat campaign contributions, you're dead in the water unless you use your own money.  Glen Youngkin (GOP gov candidate here in VA) is funding his campaign heavily using his own money and is overwhelming Terry McCauliffe on TV.  Most people understandably do not want to self fund.  
    k, i'll try again. you said "they don't need the $174". if that's the case, why would $85K influence them in any way? why would certain senators vote certain ways that make no sense for their constituents if that amount is truly the real amount?

    If I have $200 in my wallet consistently, my work shelling out for a $2 coffee isn't going to make me a company man. 
    I don't know what the $85k is, but let's take Mitch as an example.  He was up for re-election in 2020.  He raised $65MM for his re-election committee.  That meant he could overwhelm any opponent on TV, internet, FB, wherever.  Now the people who gave him the $65MM did it for a reason.  They want something back in the form of legislation or blocking legislation.  Mitch doesn't need $174K, but he sure as hell doesn't want to throw down millions of his personal money in a campaign either.  
    the $85K was just an estimate of single contribution by any given individual based on the figures I was looking at on that website. 

    my point is, yes, of course he doesn't want to shell out $65M of his own cash, but if each individual contribution is kept to a legal amount that is lower than what he could himself afford, why would that buy his influence? His top contributor was $164 thousand. If his salary of $174 thousand is a mere pittance, why would $164 weigh him on voting on any issues? that's all I mean. of course the total of the contributions he gets is an insane amount. But my point is why would he be swayed on any one issue by any one contributor if that is TRULY the sum they contributed to the campaign?

    *I'll admit to my potential ignorance on this issue, I'm going on my limited knowledge and what I've read, so I'd understand if there's some major component I'm missing here. It just looks to me on paper that this stuff doesn't add up, figuratively and literally*
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    that is, in my opinion, the biggest issue facing american politics. the fact that this extreme lobbying is allowed. buying a politician is just done, wide out in the open. it's completely accepted. it's unbelievable. 
    This is bullshit too.  No offense. It's illegal and prosecuted.  
    how is it bullshit? we see evidence of it every freaking day. 
    Show me an example of a politician directly receiving money from a lobbyist to their personal net worth that is not prosecuted.  That's the accusation against Sinema, which as of today, is completely baseless.  Not even Trump does that.  He is smart enough to have everything go into his PAC and then travels around on that.  But he can't buy a car, a house, or anything else personal using lobbyist or individual donation money because that is a crime.  Your accusation, if connected to the Sinema accusation, is that happens every day and we all see it but it isn't being prosecuted.  I call bullshit on that. 
    no, I'm not saying that people are just getting a briefcase full of cash for a promise. I don't know exactly how it works or how they do it, but when you do the math, senators making $174K a year, but having millions in net worth, doesn't fucking add up. that's just math. 

    I'm sure it's hidden. I'm sure it's funneled, etc. No, I don't have direct evidence. I'm not saying a blanket "all politicians are corrupt". But you have to admit, if I'm making $174K a year, I shouldn't have a millions in assets. 

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_members_of_the_United_States_Congress_by_wealth
    People don't become senators as their first job out of college.  These are men/women from means who are either family money or became wealthy.  It's the patrician's job in the US.  The first person on your list is Mark Warner.  He is a multi-millionaire who founded the venture capitalist firm that create Nextel cellular in the 90s.  They don't need the $174k a year.  
    if all these people are receiving for their campaigns are the monies being disclosed, then why do they "need" that either? the average lobbyist spending amounts on open secrets is in the same range as their salaries. so why would a lobbyist be influential if the recipient doesn't need the money? i realize that no politician wants to spend their own money on campaigns, but still, in the grand scheme, these amounts are piddly compared to their net worth. (and yes, I realize net worth isn't liquid money). 
    Because it's about the campaign contributions..  Now you can't xfer that to yourself, but that is your key to getting re-elected.  If you dn't have fat campaign contributions, you're dead in the water unless you use your own money.  Glen Youngkin (GOP gov candidate here in VA) is funding his campaign heavily using his own money and is overwhelming Terry McCauliffe on TV.  Most people understandably do not want to self fund.  
    k, i'll try again. you said "they don't need the $174". if that's the case, why would $85K influence them in any way? why would certain senators vote certain ways that make no sense for their constituents if that amount is truly the real amount?

    If I have $200 in my wallet consistently, my work shelling out for a $2 coffee isn't going to make me a company man. 
    I don't know what the $85k is, but let's take Mitch as an example.  He was up for re-election in 2020.  He raised $65MM for his re-election committee.  That meant he could overwhelm any opponent on TV, internet, FB, wherever.  Now the people who gave him the $65MM did it for a reason.  They want something back in the form of legislation or blocking legislation.  Mitch doesn't need $174K, but he sure as hell doesn't want to throw down millions of his personal money in a campaign either.  
    Let's not forget that Moscow Mitchy Baby has nothing to show here:

    Who is Len Blavatnik and how much did he donate to McConnell?

    Blavatnik emigrated to the United States with his family in the late 1970s and returned to Russia in the late ’80s as the Soviet Union began to collapse. His U.S.-based holding companies — Access Industries Inc. and AI-Altep Holdings Inc. — are conduits for his largest political contributions, according to Federal Election Commission records.

    In 2015-16, Blavatnik’s contributions went to GOP PACs and top Republican leaders, including McConnell, according to FEC records.

    In that cycle, his companies contributed over $6.3 million, with $2.5 million going to McConnell’s Senate Leadership Fund. In 2017, Blavatnik donated another $1 million to the committee, records show, bringing the total to $3.5 million.

    The sanctions and Blavatnik’s connection

    In April 2018, the Trump administration announced sanctions on multiple Russian oligarchs and their companies, including Deripaska and his aluminum company Rusal, the second-largest aluminium company in the world. Deripaska is known to be closely allied with the Kremlin, and his name has come up in emails turned over to the Mueller investigation.  

    Then, in December, the administration agreed to lift the sanctions on Deripaska’s companies in exchange for him giving up majority ownership, along with other concessions.

    About a month later, McConnell led Senate Republicans and blocked a Democratic effort to keep the sanctions on Deripaska’s companies.

    Now that we are all caught up, how are Blavatnik and Deripaska connected?

    As two of the richest Russian men in the United Kingdom, it’s not entirely surprising they have had business dealings. According to a report by the Dallas News, Blavatnik and business partner Viktor Vekselburg hold a 20.5 percent stake in Rusal.

    (Vekselberg made news in May 2018 after it was revealed that a U.S. firm he invests in wired $500,000 to a company owned by Michael Cohen, Trump’s former attorney.)

    PolitiFact | Fact-checking claim that Mitch McConnell's 'biggest donor' is sanctioned Russian oligarch


    McConnell “was not aware of any potential Russian investor before the vote,” spokesman David Popp said.

    Bouchard said no one from his company, Braidy Industries, told anyone in the U.S. government that lifting sanctions could help advance the project. Rusal’s parent company, EN+, said in a statement that the Kentucky project played no role in the company’s vigorous lobbying campaign to persuade U.S. officials to do away with sanctions.

    But critics said the timing is disturbing.

    “It is shocking how blatantly transactional this arrangement looks,” said Michael McFaul, who served as the U.S. ambassador to Russia during the Obama administration and now teaches at Stanford University.

    Democratic senators have called for a government review of the deal, prompting a Rusal executive in Moscow last week to threaten to pull out of the investment.

    The Rusal-backed project is one of several issues fueling broader scrutiny of McConnell’s posture toward Russia and its efforts to manipulate American voters.

    In 2016, McConnell privately expressed skepticism about the intelligence reports on Russia’s activities in the election and resisted a push by the Obama administration to issue a bipartisan statement condemning the Kremlin. Last month, he blocked consideration of election security bills that have bipartisan support, despite warnings from the FBI and the intelligence community about the risks of foreign interference in the 2020 election.

    How a McConnell-backed effort to lift Russian sanctions boosted a Kentucky project - The Washington Post

    And who remembers Maria Butina, her NRA involvement and the NRA's largest single political donation ever and who it went to? Nothing to see here, folks, nothing at all.

    Nice to see the shills shilling:

    Which Senators Have Taken the Most NRA Money? | Brady (bradyunited.org)
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    mrussel1 said:
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    that is, in my opinion, the biggest issue facing american politics. the fact that this extreme lobbying is allowed. buying a politician is just done, wide out in the open. it's completely accepted. it's unbelievable. 
    This is bullshit too.  No offense. It's illegal and prosecuted.  
    how is it bullshit? we see evidence of it every freaking day. 
    Show me an example of a politician directly receiving money from a lobbyist to their personal net worth that is not prosecuted.  That's the accusation against Sinema, which as of today, is completely baseless.  Not even Trump does that.  He is smart enough to have everything go into his PAC and then travels around on that.  But he can't buy a car, a house, or anything else personal using lobbyist or individual donation money because that is a crime.  Your accusation, if connected to the Sinema accusation, is that happens every day and we all see it but it isn't being prosecuted.  I call bullshit on that. 
    no, I'm not saying that people are just getting a briefcase full of cash for a promise. I don't know exactly how it works or how they do it, but when you do the math, senators making $174K a year, but having millions in net worth, doesn't fucking add up. that's just math. 

    I'm sure it's hidden. I'm sure it's funneled, etc. No, I don't have direct evidence. I'm not saying a blanket "all politicians are corrupt". But you have to admit, if I'm making $174K a year, I shouldn't have a millions in assets. 

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_members_of_the_United_States_Congress_by_wealth
    People don't become senators as their first job out of college.  These are men/women from means who are either family money or became wealthy.  It's the patrician's job in the US.  The first person on your list is Mark Warner.  He is a multi-millionaire who founded the venture capitalist firm that create Nextel cellular in the 90s.  They don't need the $174k a year.  
    if all these people are receiving for their campaigns are the monies being disclosed, then why do they "need" that either? the average lobbyist spending amounts on open secrets is in the same range as their salaries. so why would a lobbyist be influential if the recipient doesn't need the money? i realize that no politician wants to spend their own money on campaigns, but still, in the grand scheme, these amounts are piddly compared to their net worth. (and yes, I realize net worth isn't liquid money). 
    Because it's about the campaign contributions..  Now you can't xfer that to yourself, but that is your key to getting re-elected.  If you dn't have fat campaign contributions, you're dead in the water unless you use your own money.  Glen Youngkin (GOP gov candidate here in VA) is funding his campaign heavily using his own money and is overwhelming Terry McCauliffe on TV.  Most people understandably do not want to self fund.  
    k, i'll try again. you said "they don't need the $174". if that's the case, why would $85K influence them in any way? why would certain senators vote certain ways that make no sense for their constituents if that amount is truly the real amount?

    If I have $200 in my wallet consistently, my work shelling out for a $2 coffee isn't going to make me a company man. 
    I don't know what the $85k is, but let's take Mitch as an example.  He was up for re-election in 2020.  He raised $65MM for his re-election committee.  That meant he could overwhelm any opponent on TV, internet, FB, wherever.  Now the people who gave him the $65MM did it for a reason.  They want something back in the form of legislation or blocking legislation.  Mitch doesn't need $174K, but he sure as hell doesn't want to throw down millions of his personal money in a campaign either.  
    the $85K was just an estimate of single contribution by any given individual based on the figures I was looking at on that website. 

    my point is, yes, of course he doesn't want to shell out $65M of his own cash, but if each individual contribution is kept to a legal amount that is lower than what he could himself afford, why would that buy his influence? His top contributor was $164 thousand. If his salary of $174 thousand is a mere pittance, why would $164 weigh him on voting on any issues? that's all I mean. of course the total of the contributions he gets is an insane amount. But my point is why would he be swayed on any one issue by any one contributor if that is TRULY the sum they contributed to the campaign?

    *I'll admit to my potential ignorance on this issue, I'm going on my limited knowledge and what I've read, so I'd understand if there's some major component I'm missing here. It just looks to me on paper that this stuff doesn't add up, figuratively and literally*
    The top contributor may have been164k, but that was probably from someone that has 10 other friends that care about the same thing that threw down a ton of money on their own.  The interests are aligned.  And if Mitch doesn't take it, then his primary opponent will.  
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    More on Moscow Mitchy Baby:

    That we know of.  It seems that Moscow Mitch’s money-man “constituent” Oleg Deripaska — besides moving his Aluminum plant Rusal to Kentucky, thanks to Moscow Mitch’s insistence on passing at least 1 Bill — Oleg will have Millions left over to direct to the NRA’s dark-money fund ILA.  Or, however else that Putin sees fit for 2020 …

    When President Trump’s Treasury Department proposed lifting sanctions on companies tied to the Russian oligarch Oleg Deripaska in December Secretary Steven Mnuchin vowed that the firms would be forced to “significantly diminish Deripaska’s ownership and sever his control.”

    But, the New York Times is now reporting that Treasury’s promises were illusory: “The deal contains provisions that free [Deripaska] from hundreds of millions of dollars in debt while leaving him and his allies with majority ownership of his most important company.”

    [...]

    This is a dark twist in a sub-plot of Trump administration’s love story with the Russia of Vladimir Putin. Deripaska has been called “Putin’s favorite industrialist” and also had contentious and longstanding ties to now-jailed former Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort. Manafort — who had received $10 million loan from Deripaska — offered to give the aluminum magnate “private briefings” on the state of the presidential race in the summer of 2016.

    [...]

    But Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell held together a coalition of 42 Republicans, including erstwhile Russia hawks Mitt Romney (R-UT) and Lindsey Graham (R-SC), to keep the lifting of sanctions on track.

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    With "Help" like this Trump and McConnell OWE Them (dailykos.com)

    In case Dailykos isn't your cup of tea:

    Shortly after the Trump-Putin press conference, federal prosecutors announced the indictment of Maria Butina, a Russian national in Washington, DC, who, unlike the 25 Russians the special counsel has so far indicted, was arrested over the weekend. Butina, who in 2016 attempted to arrange a meeting between Trump and Putin, is accused of operating as a foreign agent to gain influence in Republican political circles and advance the interests of the Russian Federation. Working on behalf of Alexander Torshin, the deputy governor of the Russian Central Bank, she appears to have brokered ties with the National Rifle Association and conservative religious organizations, which she herself accurately identified as the financial backbones of the Republican Party in Congress.

    Russiagate Is Far Wider Than Trump and His Inner Circle | The Nation

    Nothing to see here, folks. All fake news.
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