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  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 9,537
    pjl44 said:
    pjl44 said:
    pjl44 said:
    pjl44 said:
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    DE4173 said:
    I know, "but Trump..." but why did the period of the pardon begin on 1/1/14?
    Totally arbitrary I'm sure

    https://oversight.house.gov/the-bidens-influence-peddling-timeline/


    When you guys say ‘the Biden family’, who else besides Hunter does that include? 
    Click the link and check. It's from the House Oversight Committee.
    You must be miffed that Biden was never impeached. 
    Ironically it would have improved Democrats' electoral chances had he been removed from office. Sliding doors and whatnot.
    Sure. Back to the point. Why wasn’t he impeached? 
    I honestly don't know and never said he should have been 
    I didn’t say you said he should’ve been, but since you linked something you think is evidence of crimes, I’ll ask if you think he should’ve been? 
    Once again I don't know. I haven't thought about it that much. I didn't link to that site to make a case for his impeachment.
    Huh? You linked the document from the House Oversight Committee. The whole thing was an impeachment inquiry. They had nothing but dragged it out to build another false narrative that people believed. From April:

    ‘When pressed on whether he would have done anything differently, Comer – who has defended his handling of the Biden probe – told CNN, “Not that I can think of.” And a House Oversight Committee spokesperson maintains that “the impeachment inquiry is ongoing and impeachment is 100% still on the table.”


    My point was showing the timeline of Hunter Biden's work with Burisma and how the pardon coincidentally or conveniently covers that fully. I went looking for a reliable source and found that. Didn't want to post a link to a Fox News article or something like that. Trust me I understand that you're having a difficult time following.
  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 9,537
    tbergs said:
    brianlux said:
    OK, I'm sorry my friends (and possible foes), but I am compelled to site this quote from Heather's letter.  It's something I think bears considering here on AMT:
    "And yet, much of American media today has been consumed not with the story that Trump has appointed a deeply problematic candidate to run what could be considered the nation’s most important department, overseeing about 3 million personnel and managing a budget of more than $800 billion, or with the reality that Biden’s distrust of our legal system under Trump is a profound warning for all of us.
    Instead, they have focused on President Biden’s pardon of his son...."

    Hmmm...


    Interesting deflection.  So Heather is just like all the others huh?  
    Personally, I can handle more than one issue a day getting split time. I don't think either bears being ignored or set aside for the other. If it comes down to which story gets the lead, it's always going to be a president pardoning his son. What form of media wouldn't make that the lead story? It would be odd if it wasn't the headline because then it would seem that news source is trying to downplay it by purposely burying it, which is what people accuse Fox News of doing all the time.
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 37,126
    pjl44 said:
    pjl44 said:
    pjl44 said:
    pjl44 said:
    pjl44 said:
    pjl44 said:
    DE4173 said:
    I know, "but Trump..." but why did the period of the pardon begin on 1/1/14?
    Totally arbitrary I'm sure

    https://oversight.house.gov/the-bidens-influence-peddling-timeline/


    When you guys say ‘the Biden family’, who else besides Hunter does that include? 
    Click the link and check. It's from the House Oversight Committee.
    You must be miffed that Biden was never impeached. 
    Ironically it would have improved Democrats' electoral chances had he been removed from office. Sliding doors and whatnot.
    Sure. Back to the point. Why wasn’t he impeached? 
    I honestly don't know and never said he should have been 
    I didn’t say you said he should’ve been, but since you linked something you think is evidence of crimes, I’ll ask if you think he should’ve been? 
    Once again I don't know. I haven't thought about it that much. I didn't link to that site to make a case for his impeachment.
    Huh? You linked the document from the House Oversight Committee. The whole thing was an impeachment inquiry. They had nothing but dragged it out to build another false narrative that people believed. From April:

    ‘When pressed on whether he would have done anything differently, Comer – who has defended his handling of the Biden probe – told CNN, “Not that I can think of.” And a House Oversight Committee spokesperson maintains that “the impeachment inquiry is ongoing and impeachment is 100% still on the table.”


    My point was showing the timeline of Hunter Biden's work with Burisma and how the pardon coincidentally or conveniently covers that fully. I went looking for a reliable source and found that. Didn't want to post a link to a Fox News article or something like that. Trust me I understand that you're having a difficult time following.
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  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 9,537
    pjl44 said:
    pjl44 said:
    pjl44 said:
    pjl44 said:
    pjl44 said:
    pjl44 said:
    DE4173 said:
    I know, "but Trump..." but why did the period of the pardon begin on 1/1/14?
    Totally arbitrary I'm sure

    https://oversight.house.gov/the-bidens-influence-peddling-timeline/


    When you guys say ‘the Biden family’, who else besides Hunter does that include? 
    Click the link and check. It's from the House Oversight Committee.
    You must be miffed that Biden was never impeached. 
    Ironically it would have improved Democrats' electoral chances had he been removed from office. Sliding doors and whatnot.
    Sure. Back to the point. Why wasn’t he impeached? 
    I honestly don't know and never said he should have been 
    I didn’t say you said he should’ve been, but since you linked something you think is evidence of crimes, I’ll ask if you think he should’ve been? 
    Once again I don't know. I haven't thought about it that much. I didn't link to that site to make a case for his impeachment.
    Huh? You linked the document from the House Oversight Committee. The whole thing was an impeachment inquiry. They had nothing but dragged it out to build another false narrative that people believed. From April:

    ‘When pressed on whether he would have done anything differently, Comer – who has defended his handling of the Biden probe – told CNN, “Not that I can think of.” And a House Oversight Committee spokesperson maintains that “the impeachment inquiry is ongoing and impeachment is 100% still on the table.”


    My point was showing the timeline of Hunter Biden's work with Burisma and how the pardon coincidentally or conveniently covers that fully. I went looking for a reliable source and found that. Didn't want to post a link to a Fox News article or something like that. Trust me I understand that you're having a difficult time following.
    JFC
    Pattern of behavior with some posters where they're replying to arguments in their head vs what someone wrote
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,125
    brianlux said:
    OK, I'm sorry my friends (and possible foes), but I am compelled to site this quote from Heather's letter.  It's something I think bears considering here on AMT:
    "And yet, much of American media today has been consumed not with the story that Trump has appointed a deeply problematic candidate to run what could be considered the nation’s most important department, overseeing about 3 million personnel and managing a budget of more than $800 billion, or with the reality that Biden’s distrust of our legal system under Trump is a profound warning for all of us.
    Instead, they have focused on President Biden’s pardon of his son...."

    Hmmm...


    Interesting deflection.  So Heather is just like all the others huh?  

    Deflection?  No.  I don't know what you mean about Heather being just like the others.
    I think the point made was clear.  Just saying.  But not going to argue it.  Moving on.
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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,474
    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
    OK, I'm sorry my friends (and possible foes), but I am compelled to site this quote from Heather's letter.  It's something I think bears considering here on AMT:
    "And yet, much of American media today has been consumed not with the story that Trump has appointed a deeply problematic candidate to run what could be considered the nation’s most important department, overseeing about 3 million personnel and managing a budget of more than $800 billion, or with the reality that Biden’s distrust of our legal system under Trump is a profound warning for all of us.
    Instead, they have focused on President Biden’s pardon of his son...."

    Hmmm...


    Interesting deflection.  So Heather is just like all the others huh?  

    Deflection?  No.  I don't know what you mean about Heather being just like the others.
    I think the point made was clear.  Just saying.  But not going to argue it.  Moving on.
    Not you, Heather is deflecting.  We are always being told that the media or we as a population are focused on the wrong thing when we should be focused on something else.  People can focus on more than 1 issue at a time and it is just Heather's opinion, not fact.  It gets old the way people try to minimize one bad thing by saying "you should be looking at this other shiny bad thing over here instead"...thus meaning to ignore the first bad thing.  It's tiresome.
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 20,411
    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
    OK, I'm sorry my friends (and possible foes), but I am compelled to site this quote from Heather's letter.  It's something I think bears considering here on AMT:
    "And yet, much of American media today has been consumed not with the story that Trump has appointed a deeply problematic candidate to run what could be considered the nation’s most important department, overseeing about 3 million personnel and managing a budget of more than $800 billion, or with the reality that Biden’s distrust of our legal system under Trump is a profound warning for all of us.
    Instead, they have focused on President Biden’s pardon of his son...."

    Hmmm...


    Interesting deflection.  So Heather is just like all the others huh?  

    Deflection?  No.  I don't know what you mean about Heather being just like the others.
    I think the point made was clear.  Just saying.  But not going to argue it.  Moving on.
    Not you, Heather is deflecting.  We are always being told that the media or we as a population are focused on the wrong thing when we should be focused on something else.  People can focus on more than 1 issue at a time and it is just Heather's opinion, not fact.  It gets old the way people try to minimize one bad thing by saying "you should be looking at this other shiny bad thing over here instead"...thus meaning to ignore the first bad thing.  It's tiresome.
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  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,118
    edited December 3
    pjl44 said:
    pjl44 said:
    pjl44 said:
    pjl44 said:
    pjl44 said:
    pjl44 said:
    DE4173 said:
    I know, "but Trump..." but why did the period of the pardon begin on 1/1/14?
    Totally arbitrary I'm sure

    https://oversight.house.gov/the-bidens-influence-peddling-timeline/


    When you guys say ‘the Biden family’, who else besides Hunter does that include? 
    Click the link and check. It's from the House Oversight Committee.
    You must be miffed that Biden was never impeached. 
    Ironically it would have improved Democrats' electoral chances had he been removed from office. Sliding doors and whatnot.
    Sure. Back to the point. Why wasn’t he impeached? 
    I honestly don't know and never said he should have been 
    I didn’t say you said he should’ve been, but since you linked something you think is evidence of crimes, I’ll ask if you think he should’ve been? 
    Once again I don't know. I haven't thought about it that much. I didn't link to that site to make a case for his impeachment.
    Huh? You linked the document from the House Oversight Committee. The whole thing was an impeachment inquiry. They had nothing but dragged it out to build another false narrative that people believed. From April:

    ‘When pressed on whether he would have done anything differently, Comer – who has defended his handling of the Biden probe – told CNN, “Not that I can think of.” And a House Oversight Committee spokesperson maintains that “the impeachment inquiry is ongoing and impeachment is 100% still on the table.”


    My point was showing the timeline of Hunter Biden's work with Burisma and how the pardon coincidentally or conveniently covers that fully. I went looking for a reliable source and found that. Didn't want to post a link to a Fox News article or something like that. Trust me I understand that you're having a difficult time following.
    I like the passive aggressive sass. Maybe I lost you. You referenced Hunter committing crimes, then posted a link referencing the Biden family’s involvement. So I asked who all that was, you referred back to the link, so then I wondered if you include Joe in that (the crimes) as well, so I asked about impeachment. You naturally replied that you don’t know because suddenly on that topic you have no opinion. Seems like I was following just fine. 
    Post edited by Go Beavers on
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,719
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    So.  We have our friends and family make money any way they can and when they get caught doing something illegal you pardon them?

    Is this the new playbook?

    We are turning into a banana republic.
    What did he do to make money that was illegal?
    Generally speaking, this would be the playbook going forward.  That was what I'm getting at. Do whatever you can to make money then your buddy the President will pardon you and you get away with things.
    Presidential pardons of friends and allies isn’t new. And if your plan is to commit a crime in hopes that a decade later your dad is president, well that’s pretty risky. 
    I actually think none would have been caught if their relatives never became president.

    Again, thinking out loud.
    For sure. In the case of Hunter, these aren’t particularly rare or heinous crimes. 
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,719
    pjl44 said:
    pjl44 said:
    pjl44 said:
    pjl44 said:
    pjl44 said:
    pjl44 said:
    DE4173 said:
    I know, "but Trump..." but why did the period of the pardon begin on 1/1/14?
    Totally arbitrary I'm sure

    https://oversight.house.gov/the-bidens-influence-peddling-timeline/


    When you guys say ‘the Biden family’, who else besides Hunter does that include? 
    Click the link and check. It's from the House Oversight Committee.
    You must be miffed that Biden was never impeached. 
    Ironically it would have improved Democrats' electoral chances had he been removed from office. Sliding doors and whatnot.
    Sure. Back to the point. Why wasn’t he impeached? 
    I honestly don't know and never said he should have been 
    I didn’t say you said he should’ve been, but since you linked something you think is evidence of crimes, I’ll ask if you think he should’ve been? 
    Once again I don't know. I haven't thought about it that much. I didn't link to that site to make a case for his impeachment.
    Huh? You linked the document from the House Oversight Committee. The whole thing was an impeachment inquiry. They had nothing but dragged it out to build another false narrative that people believed. From April:

    ‘When pressed on whether he would have done anything differently, Comer – who has defended his handling of the Biden probe – told CNN, “Not that I can think of.” And a House Oversight Committee spokesperson maintains that “the impeachment inquiry is ongoing and impeachment is 100% still on the table.”


    My point was showing the timeline of Hunter Biden's work with Burisma and how the pardon coincidentally or conveniently covers that fully. I went looking for a reliable source and found that. Didn't want to post a link to a Fox News article or something like that. Trust me I understand that you're having a difficult time following.
    I lime the passive aggressive sass. Maybe I lost you. You referenced Hunter committing crimes, then posted a link referencing the Biden family’s involvement. So I asked who all that was, you referred back to the link, so then I wondered if you include Joe in that (the crimes) as well, so I asked about impeachment. You naturally replied that you don’t know because suddenly on that topic you have no opinion. Seems like I was following just fine. 
    Completely on-brand here. 
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,784
    edited December 3
    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
    OK, I'm sorry my friends (and possible foes), but I am compelled to site this quote from Heather's letter.  It's something I think bears considering here on AMT:
    "And yet, much of American media today has been consumed not with the story that Trump has appointed a deeply problematic candidate to run what could be considered the nation’s most important department, overseeing about 3 million personnel and managing a budget of more than $800 billion, or with the reality that Biden’s distrust of our legal system under Trump is a profound warning for all of us.
    Instead, they have focused on President Biden’s pardon of his son...."

    Hmmm...


    Interesting deflection.  So Heather is just like all the others huh?  

    Deflection?  No.  I don't know what you mean about Heather being just like the others.
    I think the point made was clear.  Just saying.  But not going to argue it.  Moving on.
    Not you, Heather is deflecting.  We are always being told that the media or we as a population are focused on the wrong thing when we should be focused on something else.  People can focus on more than 1 issue at a time and it is just Heather's opinion, not fact.  It gets old the way people try to minimize one bad thing by saying "you should be looking at this other shiny bad thing over here instead"...thus meaning to ignore the first bad thing.  It's tiresome.
    to br fair, focus on one thing doesnt mean not also keeping an eye on another.

    further, would you say the incoming admins plans and statements to those plans from people he wishes to have confirmed or appointed are LESS important than a pardon? no matter who was pardoned?

    not a whataboutism but do look back at the fine folks fuckstick pardoned over the years and what they've been up to since. in addition to all the j6 felons he states he will pardon "day one".

    do you think hunter will continue to engage in similar behaviors going forward? other pardonees have and commited worse.


    and a couple pages back was a screenshot of other presidential pardons over the years... thoughts?
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,125
    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
    OK, I'm sorry my friends (and possible foes), but I am compelled to site this quote from Heather's letter.  It's something I think bears considering here on AMT:
    "And yet, much of American media today has been consumed not with the story that Trump has appointed a deeply problematic candidate to run what could be considered the nation’s most important department, overseeing about 3 million personnel and managing a budget of more than $800 billion, or with the reality that Biden’s distrust of our legal system under Trump is a profound warning for all of us.
    Instead, they have focused on President Biden’s pardon of his son...."

    Hmmm...


    Interesting deflection.  So Heather is just like all the others huh?  

    Deflection?  No.  I don't know what you mean about Heather being just like the others.
    I think the point made was clear.  Just saying.  But not going to argue it.  Moving on.
    Not you, Heather is deflecting.  We are always being told that the media or we as a population are focused on the wrong thing when we should be focused on something else.  People can focus on more than 1 issue at a time and it is just Heather's opinion, not fact.  It gets old the way people try to minimize one bad thing by saying "you should be looking at this other shiny bad thing over here instead"...thus meaning to ignore the first bad thing.  It's tiresome.

    Thanks for clarifying.
    I don't think Heather was saying "look at this, not that".  I think it was more like, "the Biden pardon issues is a thing, but the Trump appointees are WAY more important, so let's keep our priorities straight."  Also, I really don't think Heather is telling you or me what to do.  She's not into being a dictator, lol. :smile:
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    $1B for humanitarian support for Africa👀
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    $1B for humanitarian support for Africa👀

  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,474
    mickeyrat said:
    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
    OK, I'm sorry my friends (and possible foes), but I am compelled to site this quote from Heather's letter.  It's something I think bears considering here on AMT:
    "And yet, much of American media today has been consumed not with the story that Trump has appointed a deeply problematic candidate to run what could be considered the nation’s most important department, overseeing about 3 million personnel and managing a budget of more than $800 billion, or with the reality that Biden’s distrust of our legal system under Trump is a profound warning for all of us.
    Instead, they have focused on President Biden’s pardon of his son...."

    Hmmm...


    Interesting deflection.  So Heather is just like all the others huh?  

    Deflection?  No.  I don't know what you mean about Heather being just like the others.
    I think the point made was clear.  Just saying.  But not going to argue it.  Moving on.
    Not you, Heather is deflecting.  We are always being told that the media or we as a population are focused on the wrong thing when we should be focused on something else.  People can focus on more than 1 issue at a time and it is just Heather's opinion, not fact.  It gets old the way people try to minimize one bad thing by saying "you should be looking at this other shiny bad thing over here instead"...thus meaning to ignore the first bad thing.  It's tiresome.
    to br fair, focus on one thing doesnt mean not also keeping an eye on another.

    further, would you say the incoming admins plans and statements to those plans from people he wishes to have confirmed or appointed are LESS important than a pardon? no matter who was pardoned?

    not a whataboutism but do look back at the fine folks fuckstick pardoned over the years and what they've been up to since. in addition to all the j6 felons he states he will pardon "day one".

    do you think hunter will continue to engage in similar behaviors going forward? other pardonees have and commited worse.


    and a couple pages back was a screenshot of other presidential pardons over the years... thoughts?
    Hunter is a fuckup. He will continue to fuck up 
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 20,411
    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
    OK, I'm sorry my friends (and possible foes), but I am compelled to site this quote from Heather's letter.  It's something I think bears considering here on AMT:
    "And yet, much of American media today has been consumed not with the story that Trump has appointed a deeply problematic candidate to run what could be considered the nation’s most important department, overseeing about 3 million personnel and managing a budget of more than $800 billion, or with the reality that Biden’s distrust of our legal system under Trump is a profound warning for all of us.
    Instead, they have focused on President Biden’s pardon of his son...."

    Hmmm...


    Interesting deflection.  So Heather is just like all the others huh?  

    Deflection?  No.  I don't know what you mean about Heather being just like the others.
    I think the point made was clear.  Just saying.  But not going to argue it.  Moving on.
    Not you, Heather is deflecting.  We are always being told that the media or we as a population are focused on the wrong thing when we should be focused on something else.  People can focus on more than 1 issue at a time and it is just Heather's opinion, not fact.  It gets old the way people try to minimize one bad thing by saying "you should be looking at this other shiny bad thing over here instead"...thus meaning to ignore the first bad thing.  It's tiresome.

    Thanks for clarifying.
    I don't think Heather was saying "look at this, not that".  I think it was more like, "the Biden pardon issues is a thing, but the Trump appointees are WAY more important, so let's keep our priorities straight."  Also, I really don't think Heather is telling you or me what to do.  She's not into being a dictator, lol. :smile:
    I think the media should focus on what the public really wants to know. That being...who is Melania banging? It isn't trump.
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  • KatKat Posts: 4,874
    edited December 3

    Biden in Angola: U.S. Competes with China for Influence in Africa 

    Amid Fight for Key Resources


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyWgduBEn4Y

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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,784
    mickeyrat said:
    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
    OK, I'm sorry my friends (and possible foes), but I am compelled to site this quote from Heather's letter.  It's something I think bears considering here on AMT:
    "And yet, much of American media today has been consumed not with the story that Trump has appointed a deeply problematic candidate to run what could be considered the nation’s most important department, overseeing about 3 million personnel and managing a budget of more than $800 billion, or with the reality that Biden’s distrust of our legal system under Trump is a profound warning for all of us.
    Instead, they have focused on President Biden’s pardon of his son...."

    Hmmm...


    Interesting deflection.  So Heather is just like all the others huh?  

    Deflection?  No.  I don't know what you mean about Heather being just like the others.
    I think the point made was clear.  Just saying.  But not going to argue it.  Moving on.
    Not you, Heather is deflecting.  We are always being told that the media or we as a population are focused on the wrong thing when we should be focused on something else.  People can focus on more than 1 issue at a time and it is just Heather's opinion, not fact.  It gets old the way people try to minimize one bad thing by saying "you should be looking at this other shiny bad thing over here instead"...thus meaning to ignore the first bad thing.  It's tiresome.
    to br fair, focus on one thing doesnt mean not also keeping an eye on another.

    further, would you say the incoming admins plans and statements to those plans from people he wishes to have confirmed or appointed are LESS important than a pardon? no matter who was pardoned?

    not a whataboutism but do look back at the fine folks fuckstick pardoned over the years and what they've been up to since. in addition to all the j6 felons he states he will pardon "day one".

    do you think hunter will continue to engage in similar behaviors going forward? other pardonees have and commited worse.


    and a couple pages back was a screenshot of other presidential pardons over the years... thoughts?
    Hunter is a fuckup. He will continue to fuck up 

    well sir, my 18 yrs not quite 8 months sober from drinking and crack state quite clearly, positive changes can be made.

    so thanks for your support of the recovery community.
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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,474
    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
    OK, I'm sorry my friends (and possible foes), but I am compelled to site this quote from Heather's letter.  It's something I think bears considering here on AMT:
    "And yet, much of American media today has been consumed not with the story that Trump has appointed a deeply problematic candidate to run what could be considered the nation’s most important department, overseeing about 3 million personnel and managing a budget of more than $800 billion, or with the reality that Biden’s distrust of our legal system under Trump is a profound warning for all of us.
    Instead, they have focused on President Biden’s pardon of his son...."

    Hmmm...


    Interesting deflection.  So Heather is just like all the others huh?  

    Deflection?  No.  I don't know what you mean about Heather being just like the others.
    I think the point made was clear.  Just saying.  But not going to argue it.  Moving on.
    Not you, Heather is deflecting.  We are always being told that the media or we as a population are focused on the wrong thing when we should be focused on something else.  People can focus on more than 1 issue at a time and it is just Heather's opinion, not fact.  It gets old the way people try to minimize one bad thing by saying "you should be looking at this other shiny bad thing over here instead"...thus meaning to ignore the first bad thing.  It's tiresome.

    Thanks for clarifying.
    I don't think Heather was saying "look at this, not that".  I think it was more like, "the Biden pardon issues is a thing, but the Trump appointees are WAY more important, so let's keep our priorities straight."  Also, I really don't think Heather is telling you or me what to do.  She's not into being a dictator, lol. :smile:
    Fair enough, I read it as being scolded for carrying about a president lying about not and then going ahead and pardoning his SON.  I found that annoying, and I find the reality of it to be awful.

    I am also pissed off and concerned about many of trump's picks for his cabinet....starting with Secretary of Defense (since Gaetz dropped which was my #1 concern at the time)
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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,474
    mickeyrat said:
    mickeyrat said:
    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
    OK, I'm sorry my friends (and possible foes), but I am compelled to site this quote from Heather's letter.  It's something I think bears considering here on AMT:
    "And yet, much of American media today has been consumed not with the story that Trump has appointed a deeply problematic candidate to run what could be considered the nation’s most important department, overseeing about 3 million personnel and managing a budget of more than $800 billion, or with the reality that Biden’s distrust of our legal system under Trump is a profound warning for all of us.
    Instead, they have focused on President Biden’s pardon of his son...."

    Hmmm...


    Interesting deflection.  So Heather is just like all the others huh?  

    Deflection?  No.  I don't know what you mean about Heather being just like the others.
    I think the point made was clear.  Just saying.  But not going to argue it.  Moving on.
    Not you, Heather is deflecting.  We are always being told that the media or we as a population are focused on the wrong thing when we should be focused on something else.  People can focus on more than 1 issue at a time and it is just Heather's opinion, not fact.  It gets old the way people try to minimize one bad thing by saying "you should be looking at this other shiny bad thing over here instead"...thus meaning to ignore the first bad thing.  It's tiresome.
    to br fair, focus on one thing doesnt mean not also keeping an eye on another.

    further, would you say the incoming admins plans and statements to those plans from people he wishes to have confirmed or appointed are LESS important than a pardon? no matter who was pardoned?

    not a whataboutism but do look back at the fine folks fuckstick pardoned over the years and what they've been up to since. in addition to all the j6 felons he states he will pardon "day one".

    do you think hunter will continue to engage in similar behaviors going forward? other pardonees have and commited worse.


    and a couple pages back was a screenshot of other presidential pardons over the years... thoughts?
    Hunter is a fuckup. He will continue to fuck up 

    well sir, my 18 yrs not quite 8 months sober from drinking and crack state quite clearly, positive changes can be made.

    so thanks for your support of the recovery community.
    Congrats to you, well done, really.  But you aren't Hunter Biden.  I also do not think Trump Jr can kick his habits either.  
    hippiemom = goodness
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 20,411
    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
    OK, I'm sorry my friends (and possible foes), but I am compelled to site this quote from Heather's letter.  It's something I think bears considering here on AMT:
    "And yet, much of American media today has been consumed not with the story that Trump has appointed a deeply problematic candidate to run what could be considered the nation’s most important department, overseeing about 3 million personnel and managing a budget of more than $800 billion, or with the reality that Biden’s distrust of our legal system under Trump is a profound warning for all of us.
    Instead, they have focused on President Biden’s pardon of his son...."

    Hmmm...


    Interesting deflection.  So Heather is just like all the others huh?  

    Deflection?  No.  I don't know what you mean about Heather being just like the others.
    I think the point made was clear.  Just saying.  But not going to argue it.  Moving on.
    Not you, Heather is deflecting.  We are always being told that the media or we as a population are focused on the wrong thing when we should be focused on something else.  People can focus on more than 1 issue at a time and it is just Heather's opinion, not fact.  It gets old the way people try to minimize one bad thing by saying "you should be looking at this other shiny bad thing over here instead"...thus meaning to ignore the first bad thing.  It's tiresome.

    Thanks for clarifying.
    I don't think Heather was saying "look at this, not that".  I think it was more like, "the Biden pardon issues is a thing, but the Trump appointees are WAY more important, so let's keep our priorities straight."  Also, I really don't think Heather is telling you or me what to do.  She's not into being a dictator, lol. :smile:
    Fair enough, I read it as being scolded for carrying about a president lying about not and then going ahead and pardoning his SON.  I found that annoying, and I find the reality of it to be awful.

    I am also pissed off and concerned about many of trump's picks for his cabinet....starting with Secretary of Defense (since Gaetz dropped which was my #1 concern at the time)
    Was it a lie? is it not possible that, given the situation at the time, he was telling the truth and that only after knowing that trump won and a total fucknut would be in charge of the DOJ that he changed his mind?


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    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
    OK, I'm sorry my friends (and possible foes), but I am compelled to site this quote from Heather's letter.  It's something I think bears considering here on AMT:
    "And yet, much of American media today has been consumed not with the story that Trump has appointed a deeply problematic candidate to run what could be considered the nation’s most important department, overseeing about 3 million personnel and managing a budget of more than $800 billion, or with the reality that Biden’s distrust of our legal system under Trump is a profound warning for all of us.
    Instead, they have focused on President Biden’s pardon of his son...."

    Hmmm...


    Interesting deflection.  So Heather is just like all the others huh?  

    Deflection?  No.  I don't know what you mean about Heather being just like the others.
    I think the point made was clear.  Just saying.  But not going to argue it.  Moving on.
    Not you, Heather is deflecting.  We are always being told that the media or we as a population are focused on the wrong thing when we should be focused on something else.  People can focus on more than 1 issue at a time and it is just Heather's opinion, not fact.  It gets old the way people try to minimize one bad thing by saying "you should be looking at this other shiny bad thing over here instead"...thus meaning to ignore the first bad thing.  It's tiresome.

    Thanks for clarifying.
    I don't think Heather was saying "look at this, not that".  I think it was more like, "the Biden pardon issues is a thing, but the Trump appointees are WAY more important, so let's keep our priorities straight."  Also, I really don't think Heather is telling you or me what to do.  She's not into being a dictator, lol. :smile:
    Fair enough, I read it as being scolded for carrying about a president lying about not and then going ahead and pardoning his SON.  I found that annoying, and I find the reality of it to be awful.

    I am also pissed off and concerned about many of trump's picks for his cabinet....starting with Secretary of Defense (since Gaetz dropped which was my #1 concern at the time)
    Was it a lie? is it not possible that, given the situation at the time, he was telling the truth and that only after knowing that trump won and a total fucknut would be in charge of the DOJ that he changed his mind?


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  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,670
    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
    OK, I'm sorry my friends (and possible foes), but I am compelled to site this quote from Heather's letter.  It's something I think bears considering here on AMT:
    "And yet, much of American media today has been consumed not with the story that Trump has appointed a deeply problematic candidate to run what could be considered the nation’s most important department, overseeing about 3 million personnel and managing a budget of more than $800 billion, or with the reality that Biden’s distrust of our legal system under Trump is a profound warning for all of us.
    Instead, they have focused on President Biden’s pardon of his son...."

    Hmmm...


    Interesting deflection.  So Heather is just like all the others huh?  

    Deflection?  No.  I don't know what you mean about Heather being just like the others.
    I think the point made was clear.  Just saying.  But not going to argue it.  Moving on.
    Not you, Heather is deflecting.  We are always being told that the media or we as a population are focused on the wrong thing when we should be focused on something else.  People can focus on more than 1 issue at a time and it is just Heather's opinion, not fact.  It gets old the way people try to minimize one bad thing by saying "you should be looking at this other shiny bad thing over here instead"...thus meaning to ignore the first bad thing.  It's tiresome.

    Thanks for clarifying.
    I don't think Heather was saying "look at this, not that".  I think it was more like, "the Biden pardon issues is a thing, but the Trump appointees are WAY more important, so let's keep our priorities straight."  Also, I really don't think Heather is telling you or me what to do.  She's not into being a dictator, lol. :smile:
    Fair enough, I read it as being scolded for carrying about a president lying about not and then going ahead and pardoning his SON.  I found that annoying, and I find the reality of it to be awful.

    I am also pissed off and concerned about many of trump's picks for his cabinet....starting with Secretary of Defense (since Gaetz dropped which was my #1 concern at the time)
    Was it a lie? is it not possible that, given the situation at the time, he was telling the truth and that only after knowing that trump won and a total fucknut would be in charge of the DOJ that he changed his mind?



    Add to that the library of off the wall comments he made during the fall campaign? Even for him.
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 20,411
    I know calling it a lie is politically convenient...Romney even made a comment saying that he lied and it was disgraceful or something but give me a break. Circumstances changed.

    And, like I mentioned before, even Gowdy and Graham said that the charges wouldn't have happened if it weren't Biden's son.
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,784
    I know calling it a lie is politically convenient...Romney even made a comment saying that he lied and it was disgraceful or something but give me a break. Circumstances changed.

    And, like I mentioned before, even Gowdy and Graham said that the charges wouldn't have happened if it weren't Biden's son.

    coming from mr benghazi, thats saying something.
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  • mookieblalockmookieblalock Posts: 3,319
    shecky said:
    DE4173 said:
    $1B for humanitarian support for Africa👀


  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,719
    shecky said:
    DE4173 said:
    $1B for humanitarian support for Africa👀

    Wait, are you saying that the USgovt is providing resources to Africa INSTEAD of NC?  Because I have not heard that. Otherwise this may surprise you but Congress can appropriate funds to more than one place at a time. 

    Unless you provide evidence this is deliberate tradeoff, you are posting the argument of a simpleton. 
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,125
    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
    OK, I'm sorry my friends (and possible foes), but I am compelled to site this quote from Heather's letter.  It's something I think bears considering here on AMT:
    "And yet, much of American media today has been consumed not with the story that Trump has appointed a deeply problematic candidate to run what could be considered the nation’s most important department, overseeing about 3 million personnel and managing a budget of more than $800 billion, or with the reality that Biden’s distrust of our legal system under Trump is a profound warning for all of us.
    Instead, they have focused on President Biden’s pardon of his son...."

    Hmmm...


    Interesting deflection.  So Heather is just like all the others huh?  

    Deflection?  No.  I don't know what you mean about Heather being just like the others.
    I think the point made was clear.  Just saying.  But not going to argue it.  Moving on.
    Not you, Heather is deflecting.  We are always being told that the media or we as a population are focused on the wrong thing when we should be focused on something else.  People can focus on more than 1 issue at a time and it is just Heather's opinion, not fact.  It gets old the way people try to minimize one bad thing by saying "you should be looking at this other shiny bad thing over here instead"...thus meaning to ignore the first bad thing.  It's tiresome.

    Thanks for clarifying.
    I don't think Heather was saying "look at this, not that".  I think it was more like, "the Biden pardon issues is a thing, but the Trump appointees are WAY more important, so let's keep our priorities straight."  Also, I really don't think Heather is telling you or me what to do.  She's not into being a dictator, lol. :smile:
    Fair enough, I read it as being scolded for carrying about a president lying about not and then going ahead and pardoning his SON.  I found that annoying, and I find the reality of it to be awful.

    I am also pissed off and concerned about many of trump's picks for his cabinet....starting with Secretary of Defense (since Gaetz dropped which was my #1 concern at the time)
    I hear you there.  What's most disturbing about that is that his main reason for picking inept people for his cabinet is his twisted desire to destroy agencies and institutions within our government.  And it's not that those agencies couldn't use some improving- I don't think anyone would argue that- but he simply wants to destroy them with no alternative plan.  There's a good deal of irony there in that you hear  MAGAs complain about FEMA not doing enough for storm victims in the Carolinas, yet they don't talk about what it's going to be like when the next mega-storm hits and there is no FEMA or anything to replace it.  That kind of shortsightedness is puzzling at best.  
    And, of course, besides wanting to break up these agencies and institutions, the Felon's ultimate goals are three fold: to destroy the U.S. as a country, to draw attention to himself and boost his ego, and to help the super rich become wealthier at the expense of most of the rest of us.  And half the voters signed on for this?  That is crazy!

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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,125
    shecky said:
    DE4173 said:
    $1B for humanitarian support for Africa👀



    In Trump's defense, he did suggest we rake California's 33 million acres of forests to prevent wildfires.  What could be easier?!  :lol: 
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