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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 20,433
    So.  We have our friends and family make money any way they can and when they get caught doing something illegal you pardon them?

    Is this the new playbook?

    We are turning into a banana republic.
    New playbook? Did you miss trump's pardon of Kushner? The tax evader that is now the ambassador to France?
    Yeah yeah and Nixon was pardoned too. Don't start w the whataboutisms...  I fully expect Trump to pardon wayyyy more felons.

    It's just not a good look.
    I only gave a whataboutism to counter the "new playbook" comment...it's not new at all...it sucks but I don't blame him one bit
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  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,406
    mace1229 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mace1229 said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    Doesn’t help that he specifically said he wouldn’t pardon him either. Throwing up an easy lay up to magas 
    Yeah the optics are bad but he did let the process play out. But fuck...trump says that he will pardon the J6 criminals and the magats were proud to vote for that so fuck them.
    He only let the process play out to see if a pardon wasn't needed. If he got a good deal or not guilty verdict, etc. I always believed he was going to pardon him after the election. 

    I don't get the argument of "it's just tax fraud.' People get charged for tax evasion every year, and 2/3 get jail time for it.  https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/files/pdf/research-and-publications/quick-facts/Tax_Fraud_FY16.pdf
     He avoided $1.5 million and filed a false return. People have received prison terms for less. 

    and he subsequently paid it.
    Plenty of people get the IRS fine and still face charges. Happens all the time. Paying back what you stole from the government doesn't erase the crime. 
    Now I don't think he deserved hard prison time. But pardoning him before even the sentence was handed down after stating he would not pardon him is definitely a bad look. He avoided taxes, turned in a fraud tax return and lied to buy a gun. How exactly was Hunter being treated unfairly by being charged for things he admitted to doing? Because he said "sorry" and wrote a book about it its unfair he's now charged?
    because the charges came AFTER he had already dealt with it in the case of the taxes...the gun charge was all they could find and it was pretty lame if you ask me. They just had to find something...ironic that the pro gun party charged him with that.
    My understand is charges and fines/penbalities are not related. The IRS will issue payment with fees for any amount owed. Most of the time it could be a mistake, but fees are still owed. The IRS doesn't press charges.
    If there was fraud determined, then the DOJ can press charges. Paying fees on skipped taxes does not exempt you from charges. Not paying $1.5 million in taxes is kinda a big deal, people have and do go to prison for less.
  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,670
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mace1229 said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    Doesn’t help that he specifically said he wouldn’t pardon him either. Throwing up an easy lay up to magas 
    Yeah the optics are bad but he did let the process play out. But fuck...trump says that he will pardon the J6 criminals and the magats were proud to vote for that so fuck them.
    He only let the process play out to see if a pardon wasn't needed. If he got a good deal or not guilty verdict, etc. I always believed he was going to pardon him after the election. 

    I don't get the argument of "it's just tax fraud.' People get charged for tax evasion every year, and 2/3 get jail time for it.  https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/files/pdf/research-and-publications/quick-facts/Tax_Fraud_FY16.pdf
     He avoided $1.5 million and filed a false return. People have received prison terms for less. 

    and he subsequently paid it.
    Plenty of people get the IRS fine and still face charges. Happens all the time. Paying back what you stole from the government doesn't erase the crime. 
    Now I don't think he deserved hard prison time. But pardoning him before even the sentence was handed down after stating he would not pardon him is definitely a bad look. He avoided taxes, turned in a fraud tax return and lied to buy a gun. How exactly was Hunter being treated unfairly by being charged for things he admitted to doing? Because he said "sorry" and wrote a book about it its unfair he's now charged?
    because the charges came AFTER he had already dealt with it in the case of the taxes...the gun charge was all they could find and it was pretty lame if you ask me. They just had to find something...ironic that the pro gun party charged him with that.
    My understand is charges and fines/penbalities are not related. The IRS will issue payment with fees for any amount owed. Most of the time it could be a mistake, but fees are still owed. The IRS doesn't press charges.
    If there was fraud determined, then the DOJ can press charges. Paying fees on skipped taxes does not exempt you from charges. Not paying $1.5 million in taxes is kinda a big deal, people have and do go to prison for less.

    Yes, like Charlie Kushner. Well...that was actually more. Alot more.
  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,406
    mace1229 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mace1229 said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    Doesn’t help that he specifically said he wouldn’t pardon him either. Throwing up an easy lay up to magas 
    Yeah the optics are bad but he did let the process play out. But fuck...trump says that he will pardon the J6 criminals and the magats were proud to vote for that so fuck them.
    He only let the process play out to see if a pardon wasn't needed. If he got a good deal or not guilty verdict, etc. I always believed he was going to pardon him after the election. 

    I don't get the argument of "it's just tax fraud.' People get charged for tax evasion every year, and 2/3 get jail time for it.  https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/files/pdf/research-and-publications/quick-facts/Tax_Fraud_FY16.pdf
     He avoided $1.5 million and filed a false return. People have received prison terms for less. 

    and he subsequently paid it.
    Plenty of people get the IRS fine and still face charges. Happens all the time. Paying back what you stole from the government doesn't erase the crime. 
    Now I don't think he deserved hard prison time. But pardoning him before even the sentence was handed down after stating he would not pardon him is definitely a bad look. He avoided taxes, turned in a fraud tax return and lied to buy a gun. How exactly was Hunter being treated unfairly by being charged for things he admitted to doing? Because he said "sorry" and wrote a book about it its unfair he's now charged?
    because the charges came AFTER he had already dealt with it in the case of the taxes...the gun charge was all they could find and it was pretty lame if you ask me. They just had to find something...ironic that the pro gun party charged him with that.
    The pro gun people are generally in favor of enforcing reasonable gun laws. 
    If you want to go that route, wouldn't it be more ironic that the anti gun party wants to skip out on gun charges?
  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,406
    edited December 2
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mace1229 said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    Doesn’t help that he specifically said he wouldn’t pardon him either. Throwing up an easy lay up to magas 
    Yeah the optics are bad but he did let the process play out. But fuck...trump says that he will pardon the J6 criminals and the magats were proud to vote for that so fuck them.
    He only let the process play out to see if a pardon wasn't needed. If he got a good deal or not guilty verdict, etc. I always believed he was going to pardon him after the election. 

    I don't get the argument of "it's just tax fraud.' People get charged for tax evasion every year, and 2/3 get jail time for it.  https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/files/pdf/research-and-publications/quick-facts/Tax_Fraud_FY16.pdf
     He avoided $1.5 million and filed a false return. People have received prison terms for less. 

    and he subsequently paid it.
    Plenty of people get the IRS fine and still face charges. Happens all the time. Paying back what you stole from the government doesn't erase the crime. 
    Now I don't think he deserved hard prison time. But pardoning him before even the sentence was handed down after stating he would not pardon him is definitely a bad look. He avoided taxes, turned in a fraud tax return and lied to buy a gun. How exactly was Hunter being treated unfairly by being charged for things he admitted to doing? Because he said "sorry" and wrote a book about it its unfair he's now charged?
    because the charges came AFTER he had already dealt with it in the case of the taxes...the gun charge was all they could find and it was pretty lame if you ask me. They just had to find something...ironic that the pro gun party charged him with that.
    My understand is charges and fines/penbalities are not related. The IRS will issue payment with fees for any amount owed. Most of the time it could be a mistake, but fees are still owed. The IRS doesn't press charges.
    If there was fraud determined, then the DOJ can press charges. Paying fees on skipped taxes does not exempt you from charges. Not paying $1.5 million in taxes is kinda a big deal, people have and do go to prison for less.

    Yes, like Charlie Kushner. Well...that was actually more. Alot more.
    I don't think he should have bene pardoned either. But he was pardoned after he served his sentence and was released from jail. A little meaningless and a bit different from a blanket pardon from all crimes before he was even sentenced. 
    I just saw he was an ambassador pick too. Not a fan of that move either. 
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,723
    So.  We have our friends and family make money any way they can and when they get caught doing something illegal you pardon them?

    Is this the new playbook?

    We are turning into a banana republic.
    What did he do to make money that was illegal?
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,723


    I could care less if Hunter was pardoned over tax evasion and gun charges.   But I do care that he’s going to get away with being the bag man for the Biden family international money laundering scheme. Trump should pardon ALL J6ers, b/c there’s not a damn thing that can be said about it now after this.
    Wait, are we done pretending that it was ANTIFA that stormed the Capitol?  Can you update me with the new fantasy that we are pushing?  
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 37,130


    I could care less if Hunter was pardoned over tax evasion and gun charges.   But I do care that he’s going to get away with being the bag man for the Biden family international money laundering scheme. Trump should pardon ALL J6ers, b/c there’s not a damn thing that can be said about it now after this.
    haha cuz storming the capital and trying to murder the VP is the same as tax issues and buying a gun while an addict. JFC
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,110
    This thread is hilarious. Mahalo.
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 20,433
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mace1229 said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    Doesn’t help that he specifically said he wouldn’t pardon him either. Throwing up an easy lay up to magas 
    Yeah the optics are bad but he did let the process play out. But fuck...trump says that he will pardon the J6 criminals and the magats were proud to vote for that so fuck them.
    He only let the process play out to see if a pardon wasn't needed. If he got a good deal or not guilty verdict, etc. I always believed he was going to pardon him after the election. 

    I don't get the argument of "it's just tax fraud.' People get charged for tax evasion every year, and 2/3 get jail time for it.  https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/files/pdf/research-and-publications/quick-facts/Tax_Fraud_FY16.pdf
     He avoided $1.5 million and filed a false return. People have received prison terms for less. 

    and he subsequently paid it.
    Plenty of people get the IRS fine and still face charges. Happens all the time. Paying back what you stole from the government doesn't erase the crime. 
    Now I don't think he deserved hard prison time. But pardoning him before even the sentence was handed down after stating he would not pardon him is definitely a bad look. He avoided taxes, turned in a fraud tax return and lied to buy a gun. How exactly was Hunter being treated unfairly by being charged for things he admitted to doing? Because he said "sorry" and wrote a book about it its unfair he's now charged?
    because the charges came AFTER he had already dealt with it in the case of the taxes...the gun charge was all they could find and it was pretty lame if you ask me. They just had to find something...ironic that the pro gun party charged him with that.
    My understand is charges and fines/penbalities are not related. The IRS will issue payment with fees for any amount owed. Most of the time it could be a mistake, but fees are still owed. The IRS doesn't press charges.
    If there was fraud determined, then the DOJ can press charges. Paying fees on skipped taxes does not exempt you from charges. Not paying $1.5 million in taxes is kinda a big deal, people have and do go to prison for less.
    I don't disagree with that but the reason the charges came was due to the special counsel that Biden agreed to not interfere with. They knew that the IRS had issue with some of his tax returns which had already been dealt with. The charges that came about related to those would NOT have been charged without the special counsel trying to find SOMETHING to charge him with.

    The IRS charges tax plus penalties and interest. The penalties can be severe if you don't file and owe a lot. It sounded to me like Hunter was taking "loans" from his business rather than payroll. The IRS basically said you can't do that and reclassified the loans as compensation.
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 20,433
    mrussel1 said:


    I could care less if Hunter was pardoned over tax evasion and gun charges.   But I do care that he’s going to get away with being the bag man for the Biden family international money laundering scheme. Trump should pardon ALL J6ers, b/c there’s not a damn thing that can be said about it now after this.
    Wait, are we done pretending that it was ANTIFA that stormed the Capitol?  Can you update me with the new fantasy that we are pushing?  
    no shit...had no idea that Maga could also be ANTIFA apologists
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  • nicknyr15nicknyr15 Posts: 8,476
    edited December 2
    This thread is hilarious. Mahalo.
    Lol
  • PoncierPoncier Posts: 16,964
    Let's be honest, Dr Jill did this.




    Nah. She's not Hunter's mother. She probably doesn't care.
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,930
    TOTALLY EXCONERATED!!!!!!





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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,808
    TOTALLY EXCONERATED!!!!!!






    nice use of what could easily be a fuckstickism....
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 37,130
    maga tripping over themselves with this hunter pardon yet they have no issue voting for a convicted felon. haha
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,808
    maga tripping over themselves with this hunter pardon yet they have no issue voting for a convicted felon. haha

    over/under on fuckstick attempting to self-pardon?
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 37,130
    mickeyrat said:
    maga tripping over themselves with this hunter pardon yet they have no issue voting for a convicted felon. haha

    over/under on fuckstick attempting to self-pardon?
    depends who wins the 2028 election. if it's a dem, he'll pardon himself. if it's a magat, he'll get them to do it "on day 1"
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,808
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  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 10,791
    maga tripping over themselves with this hunter pardon yet they have no issue voting for a convicted felon. haha
    Don't forget that all of the QtRUmplican sycophants are okay with every single convicted January 6th insurrectionist being pardoned.
    Every
    Single 
    One
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,930
    mickeyrat said:
    TOTALLY EXCONERATED!!!!!!






    nice use of what could easily be a fuckstickism....
    Yeah.....at this point, I'm like fuck it. Everyone seems to be clutching their pearls on social media over this. Who fucking cares? These were bullshit charges. Everyone knows it.

    It would have been better if he just didn't talk about instead of saying he wouldn't pardon him.......but clearly Trump is putting together a clown show cabinet intent on bullshit retaliation. Things have changed....so fuck it. Go ahead and give yourself a blanket pardon while you're at it Joe. lol. 
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 20,433
    Put trump in Biden's shoes....he would have been whining and crying every fucking day about how unfair the DOJ was being against his son. He would have been making a bunch of insane threats, etc.

    Biden never said a fucking thing.


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  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 9,545
    Put trump in Biden's shoes....he would have been whining and crying every fucking day about how unfair the DOJ was being against his son. He would have been making a bunch of insane threats, etc.

    Biden never said a fucking thing.


    Probably because his son is guilty of a lot of shit lol
  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 9,545
    Just a baldly corrupt move by Biden and just another pebble that helps explain why things went the way they did if Democrats are actually looking to understand it
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 20,433
    pjl44 said:
    Put trump in Biden's shoes....he would have been whining and crying every fucking day about how unfair the DOJ was being against his son. He would have been making a bunch of insane threats, etc.

    Biden never said a fucking thing.


    Probably because his son is guilty of a lot of shit lol
    yeah which the GOP did a great job of uncovering with their special counsel...did you forget that part?
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 20,433
    pjl44 said:
    Just a baldly corrupt move by Biden and just another pebble that helps explain why things went the way they did if Democrats are actually looking to understand it
    Was trump's pardon of Kushner corrupt?

    If he pardons the J6 criminals...will that be corrupt?
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  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,161
    pjl44 said:
    Put trump in Biden's shoes....he would have been whining and crying every fucking day about how unfair the DOJ was being against his son. He would have been making a bunch of insane threats, etc.

    Biden never said a fucking thing.


    Probably because his son is guilty of a lot of shit lol
    That doesn't at all discount that Trump would have been whining about the same thing.

    pjl44 said:
    Just a baldly corrupt move by Biden and just another pebble that helps explain why things went the way they did if Democrats are actually looking to understand it
    Corrupt move? Yeah. But it's not really connected to the way things went. It was about the price of eggs and the gullibility of those who listen to dishonest commentary about how trans people are ruining their safety.
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,930
    edited December 2
    Put trump in Biden's shoes....he would have been whining and crying every fucking day about how unfair the DOJ was being against his son. He would have been making a bunch of insane threats, etc.

    Biden never said a fucking thing.


    Exactly. These are not normal times. Trump pardoned Kushner's dad WHILE Jared was working for him in the White House. Last week he made him the fucking Ambassador to France. LOL. Literally not a peep anywhere from the same people crying over this.

    Fuck the media for making this out to be something it's not. 

    Deal with it maga. Hunter is a free man! NOT GUILTY! VICTORY!

    TOTAL AND COMPLETE VINDICATION!

    (that's how this works, right?)
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  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 9,545
    pjl44 said:
    Just a baldly corrupt move by Biden and just another pebble that helps explain why things went the way they did if Democrats are actually looking to understand it
    Was trump's pardon of Kushner corrupt?

    If he pardons the J6 criminals...will that be corrupt?
    Yes/Definitely yes
  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 9,545
    Donald Trump is an extremely corrupt fellow and Republicans should not be using him as a measuring stick much less Democrats
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