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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 31,020
    JB16057 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    JB16057 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    JB16057 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Senate passes budget bill that includes almost $14B for Ukraine, revives the Violence Against Women Act, revived earmarks and provides substantial increases to domestic spending priorities. Way to go Brandon!

    In total, it sets federal domestic, discretionary spending at a level of $730 billion, an amount that covers significant boosts at agencies including the Department of Health and Human Services, the Labor Department and the Education Department. The money allows the Biden administration to proceed with key initiatives, including the work to implement a $1.2 trillion infrastructure law adopted last year to improve the nation’s roads, bridges, pipes, ports and Internet connections.

    Senate passes bill to avert shutdown, extend $14 billion in Ukraine aid - The Washington Post
    Does this bill also address inflation? I didn't think so.... $14 Billion to Ukraine when many Americans are struggling with our own inflation war. That seems like a really smart idea right now. Let's spend more money that we don't have!!

    there's always going to be reasons to keep money domestically. this is a pretty big deal. you don't think we should all be helping ukraine, even if it hurts us financially?
    What do we get back for our investment? Of course I want to help but I am torn. It's like when you get onto an airplane and they tell you in case of an emergency, you should secure your oxygen mask before securing someone else's mask. We are not taking care of our own issues here in America. We have record inflation happening and it's only getting worse by the day. When are our politicians going to not only be concerned about our issues domestically, but take action?

    Where is all that money coming from? We can not give money to Ukraine on credit. Let's say I ask you for some money to pay my rent or I will get kicked out. You don't have the money to cover me so would you help me out by charging it to a credit card? I get this is not the same thing but we don't have $14 billion to just give away. We may be spending $14 billion to help right now but what kind of interest is America going to have to pay on that $14 billion?
    stability in the region, hopefully. 

    I don't know the answer to your second paragraph. But I know Canada is in debt but still gives aid to some countries. people criticize that as well. But hey, I have a mortgage and a car payment to pay off, but I still give to charity. It's just the right thing to do. 
    Ok but do you give to charity by credit or do you have that extra money to give?

    I don't see how giving Ukraine $14 billion is going to make that region stable. That's like throwing money into a wishing well.

    It's about stopping Putin. If not now,  Moldova is next.  Then maybe reuniting with the Serbs, which throws the Balkans into chaos.  Surely you understand the geopolitical ramifications if Putin swallows Ukraine m
  • JB16057
    JB16057 Posts: 1,269
    mrussel1 said:
    JB16057 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Senate passes budget bill that includes almost $14B for Ukraine, revives the Violence Against Women Act, revived earmarks and provides substantial increases to domestic spending priorities. Way to go Brandon!

    In total, it sets federal domestic, discretionary spending at a level of $730 billion, an amount that covers significant boosts at agencies including the Department of Health and Human Services, the Labor Department and the Education Department. The money allows the Biden administration to proceed with key initiatives, including the work to implement a $1.2 trillion infrastructure law adopted last year to improve the nation’s roads, bridges, pipes, ports and Internet connections.

    Senate passes bill to avert shutdown, extend $14 billion in Ukraine aid - The Washington Post
    Does this bill also address inflation? I didn't think so.... $14 Billion to Ukraine when many Americans are struggling with our own inflation war. That seems like a really smart idea right now. Let's spend more money that we don't have!!

    How would you suggest a govt funding bill would address inflation.  Can you explain the specific policy change that congress could/ should enact to stem inflation?

    Second,  do you think that sending money to Ukraine who is valiantly fighting our enemy,  will increase the rate of inflation? Can you explain how,  what that increase would expected to be,  and therefore how saving x% in annual inflationary rate is worth it compared to assisting Ukraine?

    I'm just curious if you thought this through or just being a contrarian. 
    How about we stop spending money we don't have? That's why we have this inflation.

    Sending money we don't have to Ukraine will raise inflation because it is on credit. Will it be worth it? No one knows right now and like I just said in the last thread, it's like throwing money into a wishing well. Sure, it might pay off but if it doesn't, we just threw our credit cards into a well and we aren't getting them back.

    I don't have the answers but I do know that inflation is hurting many families in America and we just love spending money we don't have. This administration has blamed everyone but themselves for this inflation. What is Biden's plan on dealing with inflation? Sending money to Ukraine is not the answer.
  • JB16057
    JB16057 Posts: 1,269
    mrussel1 said:
    JB16057 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    JB16057 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    JB16057 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Senate passes budget bill that includes almost $14B for Ukraine, revives the Violence Against Women Act, revived earmarks and provides substantial increases to domestic spending priorities. Way to go Brandon!

    In total, it sets federal domestic, discretionary spending at a level of $730 billion, an amount that covers significant boosts at agencies including the Department of Health and Human Services, the Labor Department and the Education Department. The money allows the Biden administration to proceed with key initiatives, including the work to implement a $1.2 trillion infrastructure law adopted last year to improve the nation’s roads, bridges, pipes, ports and Internet connections.

    Senate passes bill to avert shutdown, extend $14 billion in Ukraine aid - The Washington Post
    Does this bill also address inflation? I didn't think so.... $14 Billion to Ukraine when many Americans are struggling with our own inflation war. That seems like a really smart idea right now. Let's spend more money that we don't have!!

    there's always going to be reasons to keep money domestically. this is a pretty big deal. you don't think we should all be helping ukraine, even if it hurts us financially?
    What do we get back for our investment? Of course I want to help but I am torn. It's like when you get onto an airplane and they tell you in case of an emergency, you should secure your oxygen mask before securing someone else's mask. We are not taking care of our own issues here in America. We have record inflation happening and it's only getting worse by the day. When are our politicians going to not only be concerned about our issues domestically, but take action?

    Where is all that money coming from? We can not give money to Ukraine on credit. Let's say I ask you for some money to pay my rent or I will get kicked out. You don't have the money to cover me so would you help me out by charging it to a credit card? I get this is not the same thing but we don't have $14 billion to just give away. We may be spending $14 billion to help right now but what kind of interest is America going to have to pay on that $14 billion?
    stability in the region, hopefully. 

    I don't know the answer to your second paragraph. But I know Canada is in debt but still gives aid to some countries. people criticize that as well. But hey, I have a mortgage and a car payment to pay off, but I still give to charity. It's just the right thing to do. 
    Ok but do you give to charity by credit or do you have that extra money to give?

    I don't see how giving Ukraine $14 billion is going to make that region stable. That's like throwing money into a wishing well.

    It's about stopping Putin. If not now,  Moldova is next.  Then maybe reuniting with the Serbs, which throws the Balkans into chaos.  Surely you understand the geopolitical ramifications if Putin swallows Ukraine m
    Can you guarantee that this money we sent is even going to make a difference? Ukraine isn't a part of NATO because of how corrupt they've been and now we are going to send them even more money.... Only time will tell and I hope it's not a mistake.

  • JB16057
    JB16057 Posts: 1,269
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    JB16057 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    JB16057 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    JB16057 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Senate passes budget bill that includes almost $14B for Ukraine, revives the Violence Against Women Act, revived earmarks and provides substantial increases to domestic spending priorities. Way to go Brandon!

    In total, it sets federal domestic, discretionary spending at a level of $730 billion, an amount that covers significant boosts at agencies including the Department of Health and Human Services, the Labor Department and the Education Department. The money allows the Biden administration to proceed with key initiatives, including the work to implement a $1.2 trillion infrastructure law adopted last year to improve the nation’s roads, bridges, pipes, ports and Internet connections.

    Senate passes bill to avert shutdown, extend $14 billion in Ukraine aid - The Washington Post
    Does this bill also address inflation? I didn't think so.... $14 Billion to Ukraine when many Americans are struggling with our own inflation war. That seems like a really smart idea right now. Let's spend more money that we don't have!!

    there's always going to be reasons to keep money domestically. this is a pretty big deal. you don't think we should all be helping ukraine, even if it hurts us financially?
    What do we get back for our investment? Of course I want to help but I am torn. It's like when you get onto an airplane and they tell you in case of an emergency, you should secure your oxygen mask before securing someone else's mask. We are not taking care of our own issues here in America. We have record inflation happening and it's only getting worse by the day. When are our politicians going to not only be concerned about our issues domestically, but take action?

    Where is all that money coming from? We can not give money to Ukraine on credit. Let's say I ask you for some money to pay my rent or I will get kicked out. You don't have the money to cover me so would you help me out by charging it to a credit card? I get this is not the same thing but we don't have $14 billion to just give away. We may be spending $14 billion to help right now but what kind of interest is America going to have to pay on that $14 billion?
    stability in the region, hopefully. 

    I don't know the answer to your second paragraph. But I know Canada is in debt but still gives aid to some countries. people criticize that as well. But hey, I have a mortgage and a car payment to pay off, but I still give to charity. It's just the right thing to do. 
    Ok but do you give to charity by credit or do you have that extra money to give?

    I don't see how giving Ukraine $14 billion is going to make that region stable. That's like throwing money into a wishing well.

    Rootin’ for Putin on the ritz? Wow.
    Can you prove that sending $14 billion will make the difference to stop Putin? Putin has been amassing power for years because we in part have given it to him. He's been telling us for long time that he was going to do this and we just kept financing his evil plot.

    Rootin' for Putin... That is not what I am saying at all. When is America going to start worrying about America?
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 40,118
    JB16057 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    JB16057 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Senate passes budget bill that includes almost $14B for Ukraine, revives the Violence Against Women Act, revived earmarks and provides substantial increases to domestic spending priorities. Way to go Brandon!

    In total, it sets federal domestic, discretionary spending at a level of $730 billion, an amount that covers significant boosts at agencies including the Department of Health and Human Services, the Labor Department and the Education Department. The money allows the Biden administration to proceed with key initiatives, including the work to implement a $1.2 trillion infrastructure law adopted last year to improve the nation’s roads, bridges, pipes, ports and Internet connections.

    Senate passes bill to avert shutdown, extend $14 billion in Ukraine aid - The Washington Post
    Does this bill also address inflation? I didn't think so.... $14 Billion to Ukraine when many Americans are struggling with our own inflation war. That seems like a really smart idea right now. Let's spend more money that we don't have!!

    How would you suggest a govt funding bill would address inflation.  Can you explain the specific policy change that congress could/ should enact to stem inflation?

    Second,  do you think that sending money to Ukraine who is valiantly fighting our enemy,  will increase the rate of inflation? Can you explain how,  what that increase would expected to be,  and therefore how saving x% in annual inflationary rate is worth it compared to assisting Ukraine?

    I'm just curious if you thought this through or just being a contrarian. 
    How about we stop spending money we don't have? That's why we have this inflation.

    Sending money we don't have to Ukraine will raise inflation because it is on credit. Will it be worth it? No one knows right now and like I just said in the last thread, it's like throwing money into a wishing well. Sure, it might pay off but if it doesn't, we just threw our credit cards into a well and we aren't getting them back.

    I don't have the answers but I do know that inflation is hurting many families in America and we just love spending money we don't have. This administration has blamed everyone but themselves for this inflation. What is Biden's plan on dealing with inflation? Sending money to Ukraine is not the answer.
    I don't think anyone "loves" having to spend this money. it's necessary to stop a madman. 
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  • JB16057
    JB16057 Posts: 1,269
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    JB16057 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    JB16057 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Senate passes budget bill that includes almost $14B for Ukraine, revives the Violence Against Women Act, revived earmarks and provides substantial increases to domestic spending priorities. Way to go Brandon!

    In total, it sets federal domestic, discretionary spending at a level of $730 billion, an amount that covers significant boosts at agencies including the Department of Health and Human Services, the Labor Department and the Education Department. The money allows the Biden administration to proceed with key initiatives, including the work to implement a $1.2 trillion infrastructure law adopted last year to improve the nation’s roads, bridges, pipes, ports and Internet connections.

    Senate passes bill to avert shutdown, extend $14 billion in Ukraine aid - The Washington Post
    Does this bill also address inflation? I didn't think so.... $14 Billion to Ukraine when many Americans are struggling with our own inflation war. That seems like a really smart idea right now. Let's spend more money that we don't have!!

    How would you suggest a govt funding bill would address inflation.  Can you explain the specific policy change that congress could/ should enact to stem inflation?

    Second,  do you think that sending money to Ukraine who is valiantly fighting our enemy,  will increase the rate of inflation? Can you explain how,  what that increase would expected to be,  and therefore how saving x% in annual inflationary rate is worth it compared to assisting Ukraine?

    I'm just curious if you thought this through or just being a contrarian. 
    How about we stop spending money we don't have? That's why we have this inflation.

    Sending money we don't have to Ukraine will raise inflation because it is on credit. Will it be worth it? No one knows right now and like I just said in the last thread, it's like throwing money into a wishing well. Sure, it might pay off but if it doesn't, we just threw our credit cards into a well and we aren't getting them back.

    I don't have the answers but I do know that inflation is hurting many families in America and we just love spending money we don't have. This administration has blamed everyone but themselves for this inflation. What is Biden's plan on dealing with inflation? Sending money to Ukraine is not the answer.
    I don't think anyone "loves" having to spend this money. it's necessary to stop a madman. 
    How does humanitarian money stop a madman?

  • static111
    static111 Posts: 5,237
    JB16057 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    JB16057 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    JB16057 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Senate passes budget bill that includes almost $14B for Ukraine, revives the Violence Against Women Act, revived earmarks and provides substantial increases to domestic spending priorities. Way to go Brandon!

    In total, it sets federal domestic, discretionary spending at a level of $730 billion, an amount that covers significant boosts at agencies including the Department of Health and Human Services, the Labor Department and the Education Department. The money allows the Biden administration to proceed with key initiatives, including the work to implement a $1.2 trillion infrastructure law adopted last year to improve the nation’s roads, bridges, pipes, ports and Internet connections.

    Senate passes bill to avert shutdown, extend $14 billion in Ukraine aid - The Washington Post
    Does this bill also address inflation? I didn't think so.... $14 Billion to Ukraine when many Americans are struggling with our own inflation war. That seems like a really smart idea right now. Let's spend more money that we don't have!!

    How would you suggest a govt funding bill would address inflation.  Can you explain the specific policy change that congress could/ should enact to stem inflation?

    Second,  do you think that sending money to Ukraine who is valiantly fighting our enemy,  will increase the rate of inflation? Can you explain how,  what that increase would expected to be,  and therefore how saving x% in annual inflationary rate is worth it compared to assisting Ukraine?

    I'm just curious if you thought this through or just being a contrarian. 
    How about we stop spending money we don't have? That's why we have this inflation.

    Sending money we don't have to Ukraine will raise inflation because it is on credit. Will it be worth it? No one knows right now and like I just said in the last thread, it's like throwing money into a wishing well. Sure, it might pay off but if it doesn't, we just threw our credit cards into a well and we aren't getting them back.

    I don't have the answers but I do know that inflation is hurting many families in America and we just love spending money we don't have. This administration has blamed everyone but themselves for this inflation. What is Biden's plan on dealing with inflation? Sending money to Ukraine is not the answer.
    I don't think anyone "loves" having to spend this money. it's necessary to stop a madman. 
    How does humanitarian money stop a madman?

    How does fixing inflation in the US stop putin from steamrolling into europe?
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 40,118
    JB16057 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    JB16057 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    JB16057 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Senate passes budget bill that includes almost $14B for Ukraine, revives the Violence Against Women Act, revived earmarks and provides substantial increases to domestic spending priorities. Way to go Brandon!

    In total, it sets federal domestic, discretionary spending at a level of $730 billion, an amount that covers significant boosts at agencies including the Department of Health and Human Services, the Labor Department and the Education Department. The money allows the Biden administration to proceed with key initiatives, including the work to implement a $1.2 trillion infrastructure law adopted last year to improve the nation’s roads, bridges, pipes, ports and Internet connections.

    Senate passes bill to avert shutdown, extend $14 billion in Ukraine aid - The Washington Post
    Does this bill also address inflation? I didn't think so.... $14 Billion to Ukraine when many Americans are struggling with our own inflation war. That seems like a really smart idea right now. Let's spend more money that we don't have!!

    How would you suggest a govt funding bill would address inflation.  Can you explain the specific policy change that congress could/ should enact to stem inflation?

    Second,  do you think that sending money to Ukraine who is valiantly fighting our enemy,  will increase the rate of inflation? Can you explain how,  what that increase would expected to be,  and therefore how saving x% in annual inflationary rate is worth it compared to assisting Ukraine?

    I'm just curious if you thought this through or just being a contrarian. 
    How about we stop spending money we don't have? That's why we have this inflation.

    Sending money we don't have to Ukraine will raise inflation because it is on credit. Will it be worth it? No one knows right now and like I just said in the last thread, it's like throwing money into a wishing well. Sure, it might pay off but if it doesn't, we just threw our credit cards into a well and we aren't getting them back.

    I don't have the answers but I do know that inflation is hurting many families in America and we just love spending money we don't have. This administration has blamed everyone but themselves for this inflation. What is Biden's plan on dealing with inflation? Sending money to Ukraine is not the answer.
    I don't think anyone "loves" having to spend this money. it's necessary to stop a madman. 
    How does humanitarian money stop a madman?

    I'm just speculating that a portion of that money is for humanitarian reasons. and it doesn't. but the military portion does. 
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 40,118
    static111 said:
    JB16057 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    JB16057 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    JB16057 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Senate passes budget bill that includes almost $14B for Ukraine, revives the Violence Against Women Act, revived earmarks and provides substantial increases to domestic spending priorities. Way to go Brandon!

    In total, it sets federal domestic, discretionary spending at a level of $730 billion, an amount that covers significant boosts at agencies including the Department of Health and Human Services, the Labor Department and the Education Department. The money allows the Biden administration to proceed with key initiatives, including the work to implement a $1.2 trillion infrastructure law adopted last year to improve the nation’s roads, bridges, pipes, ports and Internet connections.

    Senate passes bill to avert shutdown, extend $14 billion in Ukraine aid - The Washington Post
    Does this bill also address inflation? I didn't think so.... $14 Billion to Ukraine when many Americans are struggling with our own inflation war. That seems like a really smart idea right now. Let's spend more money that we don't have!!

    How would you suggest a govt funding bill would address inflation.  Can you explain the specific policy change that congress could/ should enact to stem inflation?

    Second,  do you think that sending money to Ukraine who is valiantly fighting our enemy,  will increase the rate of inflation? Can you explain how,  what that increase would expected to be,  and therefore how saving x% in annual inflationary rate is worth it compared to assisting Ukraine?

    I'm just curious if you thought this through or just being a contrarian. 
    How about we stop spending money we don't have? That's why we have this inflation.

    Sending money we don't have to Ukraine will raise inflation because it is on credit. Will it be worth it? No one knows right now and like I just said in the last thread, it's like throwing money into a wishing well. Sure, it might pay off but if it doesn't, we just threw our credit cards into a well and we aren't getting them back.

    I don't have the answers but I do know that inflation is hurting many families in America and we just love spending money we don't have. This administration has blamed everyone but themselves for this inflation. What is Biden's plan on dealing with inflation? Sending money to Ukraine is not the answer.
    I don't think anyone "loves" having to spend this money. it's necessary to stop a madman. 
    How does humanitarian money stop a madman?

    How does fixing inflation in the US stop putin from steamrolling into europe?
    haha, well done. 
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,599
    In the Trump thread, a few minutes ago, this guy was calling this Ukraine situation World War 3. In this thread he's complaining about us sending money to help the good guys. 

    Gotta wonder what side these people are on. Viva Le Putin!
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 31,020
    JB16057 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    JB16057 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Senate passes budget bill that includes almost $14B for Ukraine, revives the Violence Against Women Act, revived earmarks and provides substantial increases to domestic spending priorities. Way to go Brandon!

    In total, it sets federal domestic, discretionary spending at a level of $730 billion, an amount that covers significant boosts at agencies including the Department of Health and Human Services, the Labor Department and the Education Department. The money allows the Biden administration to proceed with key initiatives, including the work to implement a $1.2 trillion infrastructure law adopted last year to improve the nation’s roads, bridges, pipes, ports and Internet connections.

    Senate passes bill to avert shutdown, extend $14 billion in Ukraine aid - The Washington Post
    Does this bill also address inflation? I didn't think so.... $14 Billion to Ukraine when many Americans are struggling with our own inflation war. That seems like a really smart idea right now. Let's spend more money that we don't have!!

    How would you suggest a govt funding bill would address inflation.  Can you explain the specific policy change that congress could/ should enact to stem inflation?

    Second,  do you think that sending money to Ukraine who is valiantly fighting our enemy,  will increase the rate of inflation? Can you explain how,  what that increase would expected to be,  and therefore how saving x% in annual inflationary rate is worth it compared to assisting Ukraine?

    I'm just curious if you thought this through or just being a contrarian. 
    How about we stop spending money we don't have? That's why we have this inflation.

    Sending money we don't have to Ukraine will raise inflation because it is on credit. Will it be worth it? No one knows right now and like I just said in the last thread, it's like throwing money into a wishing well. Sure, it might pay off but if it doesn't, we just threw our credit cards into a well and we aren't getting them back.

    I don't have the answers but I do know that inflation is hurting many families in America and we just love spending money we don't have. This administration has blamed everyone but themselves for this inflation. What is Biden's plan on dealing with inflation? Sending money to Ukraine is not the answer.
    The debt and the deficit do not have a material or immediate impact on inflation.  Inflation is a natural economic condition that is controlled by monetary policy.  It is not controlled by austerity, which is what you are suggesting here.  In fact, history will show you how austerity typically as the effect of causing a wage/price spiral which can lead to a wild swing the other way.  Simply look at the result of austerity policies in Japan and parts of Europe in teh 80's and 90's.  

    Just to remind you, we have been running a debt and deficit continuously for the last 50+ years.  The only exception being a few years under Clinton when he balanced the budget.  Yet our inflation has been at or below the 2% target up until today.  You can't explain how the debt leads to inflation because it is simply not material.  

    The reality is that the fed will tighten the screws to cool down the economy, but do it carefully.  In the interim, gov't taking steps to reduce the price of oil/gas, winning the war and opening up the supply chain are critically important.  

    And last, what most people do not realize is that Ukraine supplies somewhere around 15% of the world's grain.  And most of it exits by the Black Sea which is currently blockaded.  So this is another reason that winning the war is important.  This will have an effect on worldwide food prices.  
  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 10,072
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    JB16057 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Senate passes budget bill that includes almost $14B for Ukraine, revives the Violence Against Women Act, revived earmarks and provides substantial increases to domestic spending priorities. Way to go Brandon!

    In total, it sets federal domestic, discretionary spending at a level of $730 billion, an amount that covers significant boosts at agencies including the Department of Health and Human Services, the Labor Department and the Education Department. The money allows the Biden administration to proceed with key initiatives, including the work to implement a $1.2 trillion infrastructure law adopted last year to improve the nation’s roads, bridges, pipes, ports and Internet connections.

    Senate passes bill to avert shutdown, extend $14 billion in Ukraine aid - The Washington Post
    Does this bill also address inflation? I didn't think so.... $14 Billion to Ukraine when many Americans are struggling with our own inflation war. That seems like a really smart idea right now. Let's spend more money that we don't have!!

    there's always going to be reasons to keep money domestically. this is a pretty big deal. you don't think we should all be helping ukraine, even if it hurts us financially?
    I couldn’t read the article because of a paywall. But I don’t see what money is going to do now. They will need it when this is over to rebuild, but that might be a long time. They can’t really buy supplies with that money because it isn’t money that’s preventing more defense. Countries are willing to give them supplies. It’s getting involved that is the hold up.
    After seeing children and maternity hospitals getting bombed we need to send more supplies and planes, not money. And really, what’s the difference if a plane gets shot down by a missile we gave them or a plane we supplied? I don’t see the difference, and I don’t see how this won’t be getting worse.
  • brianlux
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    edited March 2022
    JB16057 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Senate passes budget bill that includes almost $14B for Ukraine, revives the Violence Against Women Act, revived earmarks and provides substantial increases to domestic spending priorities. Way to go Brandon!

    In total, it sets federal domestic, discretionary spending at a level of $730 billion, an amount that covers significant boosts at agencies including the Department of Health and Human Services, the Labor Department and the Education Department. The money allows the Biden administration to proceed with key initiatives, including the work to implement a $1.2 trillion infrastructure law adopted last year to improve the nation’s roads, bridges, pipes, ports and Internet connections.

    Senate passes bill to avert shutdown, extend $14 billion in Ukraine aid - The Washington Post
    Does this bill also address inflation? I didn't think so.... $14 Billion to Ukraine when many Americans are struggling with our own inflation war. That seems like a really smart idea right now. Let's spend more money that we don't have!!


    Factoring in cost of living where we live, my wife and I certainly make less money than the average American.  If this bill helps the Ukrainians citizens who are being mercilessly slaughtered, we are more than willing to sacrifice some of our western comforts to help.

    Post edited by brianlux on
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  • JB16057
    JB16057 Posts: 1,269
    brianlux said:
    JB16057 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Senate passes budget bill that includes almost $14B for Ukraine, revives the Violence Against Women Act, revived earmarks and provides substantial increases to domestic spending priorities. Way to go Brandon!

    In total, it sets federal domestic, discretionary spending at a level of $730 billion, an amount that covers significant boosts at agencies including the Department of Health and Human Services, the Labor Department and the Education Department. The money allows the Biden administration to proceed with key initiatives, including the work to implement a $1.2 trillion infrastructure law adopted last year to improve the nation’s roads, bridges, pipes, ports and Internet connections.

    Senate passes bill to avert shutdown, extend $14 billion in Ukraine aid - The Washington Post
    Does this bill also address inflation? I didn't think so.... $14 Billion to Ukraine when many Americans are struggling with our own inflation war. That seems like a really smart idea right now. Let's spend more money that we don't have!!


    Factoring in cost of living where we live, my wife and I certainly make less money than the average American.  If this bill helps the Ukrainians citizens who are being mercilessly slaughtered, we are more than willing to sacrifice some of our western comforts to help.
    Please stop your whining.
    Tell the families that are struggling and about to lose everything they've worked for to stop whining.

  • Kat
    Kat Posts: 4,987
    It is not ok to talk about other members. Keep the discussion to the topic. 
    Falling down,...not staying down
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 40,118
    JB16057 said:
    brianlux said:
    JB16057 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Senate passes budget bill that includes almost $14B for Ukraine, revives the Violence Against Women Act, revived earmarks and provides substantial increases to domestic spending priorities. Way to go Brandon!

    In total, it sets federal domestic, discretionary spending at a level of $730 billion, an amount that covers significant boosts at agencies including the Department of Health and Human Services, the Labor Department and the Education Department. The money allows the Biden administration to proceed with key initiatives, including the work to implement a $1.2 trillion infrastructure law adopted last year to improve the nation’s roads, bridges, pipes, ports and Internet connections.

    Senate passes bill to avert shutdown, extend $14 billion in Ukraine aid - The Washington Post
    Does this bill also address inflation? I didn't think so.... $14 Billion to Ukraine when many Americans are struggling with our own inflation war. That seems like a really smart idea right now. Let's spend more money that we don't have!!


    Factoring in cost of living where we live, my wife and I certainly make less money than the average American.  If this bill helps the Ukrainians citizens who are being mercilessly slaughtered, we are more than willing to sacrifice some of our western comforts to help.
    Please stop your whining.
    Tell the families that are struggling and about to lose everything they've worked for to stop whining.

    Did you read mrussell's posts?
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  • JB16057
    JB16057 Posts: 1,269
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    JB16057 said:
    brianlux said:
    JB16057 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Senate passes budget bill that includes almost $14B for Ukraine, revives the Violence Against Women Act, revived earmarks and provides substantial increases to domestic spending priorities. Way to go Brandon!

    In total, it sets federal domestic, discretionary spending at a level of $730 billion, an amount that covers significant boosts at agencies including the Department of Health and Human Services, the Labor Department and the Education Department. The money allows the Biden administration to proceed with key initiatives, including the work to implement a $1.2 trillion infrastructure law adopted last year to improve the nation’s roads, bridges, pipes, ports and Internet connections.

    Senate passes bill to avert shutdown, extend $14 billion in Ukraine aid - The Washington Post
    Does this bill also address inflation? I didn't think so.... $14 Billion to Ukraine when many Americans are struggling with our own inflation war. That seems like a really smart idea right now. Let's spend more money that we don't have!!


    Factoring in cost of living where we live, my wife and I certainly make less money than the average American.  If this bill helps the Ukrainians citizens who are being mercilessly slaughtered, we are more than willing to sacrifice some of our western comforts to help.
    Please stop your whining.
    Tell the families that are struggling and about to lose everything they've worked for to stop whining.

    Did you read mrussell's posts?
    Yes. I did. He said he was willing to sacrifice what he has but not everyone is in that position.

    How do you address the American's that are on the brink of losing their homes because of this out of control inflation and gas prices? I'm not making up the struggles that many American's are dealing with every single day. Where is their $14 billion? Oh yeah, we sent to Ukraine which will most likely be part of Russia eventually. If that happens, we just gave $14 billion to Russia.

    This regional conflict is only beginning. This war isn't going to end until Putin is dead or he has won. He won't allow any other outcome.

  • JB16057
    JB16057 Posts: 1,269
    static111 said:
    JB16057 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    JB16057 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    JB16057 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Senate passes budget bill that includes almost $14B for Ukraine, revives the Violence Against Women Act, revived earmarks and provides substantial increases to domestic spending priorities. Way to go Brandon!

    In total, it sets federal domestic, discretionary spending at a level of $730 billion, an amount that covers significant boosts at agencies including the Department of Health and Human Services, the Labor Department and the Education Department. The money allows the Biden administration to proceed with key initiatives, including the work to implement a $1.2 trillion infrastructure law adopted last year to improve the nation’s roads, bridges, pipes, ports and Internet connections.

    Senate passes bill to avert shutdown, extend $14 billion in Ukraine aid - The Washington Post
    Does this bill also address inflation? I didn't think so.... $14 Billion to Ukraine when many Americans are struggling with our own inflation war. That seems like a really smart idea right now. Let's spend more money that we don't have!!

    How would you suggest a govt funding bill would address inflation.  Can you explain the specific policy change that congress could/ should enact to stem inflation?

    Second,  do you think that sending money to Ukraine who is valiantly fighting our enemy,  will increase the rate of inflation? Can you explain how,  what that increase would expected to be,  and therefore how saving x% in annual inflationary rate is worth it compared to assisting Ukraine?

    I'm just curious if you thought this through or just being a contrarian. 
    How about we stop spending money we don't have? That's why we have this inflation.

    Sending money we don't have to Ukraine will raise inflation because it is on credit. Will it be worth it? No one knows right now and like I just said in the last thread, it's like throwing money into a wishing well. Sure, it might pay off but if it doesn't, we just threw our credit cards into a well and we aren't getting them back.

    I don't have the answers but I do know that inflation is hurting many families in America and we just love spending money we don't have. This administration has blamed everyone but themselves for this inflation. What is Biden's plan on dealing with inflation? Sending money to Ukraine is not the answer.
    I don't think anyone "loves" having to spend this money. it's necessary to stop a madman. 
    How does humanitarian money stop a madman?

    How does fixing inflation in the US stop putin from steamrolling into europe?
    This money will not stop Putin. Fixing inflation would make America stronger.

  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,599
    JB16057 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    JB16057 said:
    brianlux said:
    JB16057 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Senate passes budget bill that includes almost $14B for Ukraine, revives the Violence Against Women Act, revived earmarks and provides substantial increases to domestic spending priorities. Way to go Brandon!

    In total, it sets federal domestic, discretionary spending at a level of $730 billion, an amount that covers significant boosts at agencies including the Department of Health and Human Services, the Labor Department and the Education Department. The money allows the Biden administration to proceed with key initiatives, including the work to implement a $1.2 trillion infrastructure law adopted last year to improve the nation’s roads, bridges, pipes, ports and Internet connections.

    Senate passes bill to avert shutdown, extend $14 billion in Ukraine aid - The Washington Post
    Does this bill also address inflation? I didn't think so.... $14 Billion to Ukraine when many Americans are struggling with our own inflation war. That seems like a really smart idea right now. Let's spend more money that we don't have!!


    Factoring in cost of living where we live, my wife and I certainly make less money than the average American.  If this bill helps the Ukrainians citizens who are being mercilessly slaughtered, we are more than willing to sacrifice some of our western comforts to help.
    Please stop your whining.
    Tell the families that are struggling and about to lose everything they've worked for to stop whining.

    Did you read mrussell's posts?
    Yes. I did. He said he was willing to sacrifice what he has but not everyone is in that position.

    How do you address the American's that are on the brink of losing their homes because of this out of control inflation and gas prices? I'm not making up the struggles that many American's are dealing with every single day. Where is their $14 billion? Oh yeah, we sent to Ukraine which will most likely be part of Russia eventually. If that happens, we just gave $14 billion to Russia.

    This regional conflict is only beginning. This war isn't going to end until Putin is dead or he has won. He won't allow any other outcome.

    You are confusing brian with mrussell. 
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  • brianlux
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    Kat said:
    It is not ok to talk about other members. Keep the discussion to the topic. 

    Sorry.  I edited my post. 
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