#46 President Joe Biden
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I agree on that absolutely, it's just funny how the left (and I'm including myself here) have almost been fooled by the dem leadership that they'll actually implement these progressive policies when they hold all the cards, and.....they don't.brianlux said:HughFreakingDillon said:
this honestly isn't at all surprising to me. I've always felt what that guy said, that many liberals are all about equality, "just not in my back yard".nicknyr15 said:
I have said the very same thing a number of times in the past. But the radical right Trump republicans and their extreme views and their extremely stupid manner and blind follow-the-foolish-leader way of pushing those views was a game changer that pushed things into a new perspective. The left has it's share of hypocrisy, not doubt! But other than the fringe Lincoln Project folks, the fight to preserve democracy has almost solely been a left/Democrat effort. The right has lost almost all of its credibility.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
HughFreakingDillon said:
I agree on that absolutely, it's just funny how the left (and I'm including myself here) have almost been fooled by the dem leadership that they'll actually implement these progressive policies when they hold all the cards, and.....they don't.brianlux said:HughFreakingDillon said:
this honestly isn't at all surprising to me. I've always felt what that guy said, that many liberals are all about equality, "just not in my back yard".nicknyr15 said:
I have said the very same thing a number of times in the past. But the radical right Trump republicans and their extreme views and their extremely stupid manner and blind follow-the-foolish-leader way of pushing those views was a game changer that pushed things into a new perspective. The left has it's share of hypocrisy, not doubt! But other than the fringe Lincoln Project folks, the fight to preserve democracy has almost solely been a left/Democrat effort. The right has lost almost all of its credibility.Not nearly as often as we would like, that's for sure. Why is that?(And I must confess here, due to limited date on my phone-as-hot-spot for internet, I could not watch the whole video, which might answer my question.)"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
those that make policy are some of the ones who don't want it in their back yards.brianlux said:HughFreakingDillon said:
I agree on that absolutely, it's just funny how the left (and I'm including myself here) have almost been fooled by the dem leadership that they'll actually implement these progressive policies when they hold all the cards, and.....they don't.brianlux said:HughFreakingDillon said:
this honestly isn't at all surprising to me. I've always felt what that guy said, that many liberals are all about equality, "just not in my back yard".nicknyr15 said:
I have said the very same thing a number of times in the past. But the radical right Trump republicans and their extreme views and their extremely stupid manner and blind follow-the-foolish-leader way of pushing those views was a game changer that pushed things into a new perspective. The left has it's share of hypocrisy, not doubt! But other than the fringe Lincoln Project folks, the fight to preserve democracy has almost solely been a left/Democrat effort. The right has lost almost all of its credibility.Not nearly as often as we would like, that's for sure. Why is that?(And I must confess here, due to limited date on my phone-as-hot-spot for internet, I could not watch the whole video, which might answer my question.)By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
HughFreakingDillon said:
those that make policy are some of the ones who don't want it in their back yards.brianlux said:HughFreakingDillon said:
I agree on that absolutely, it's just funny how the left (and I'm including myself here) have almost been fooled by the dem leadership that they'll actually implement these progressive policies when they hold all the cards, and.....they don't.brianlux said:HughFreakingDillon said:
this honestly isn't at all surprising to me. I've always felt what that guy said, that many liberals are all about equality, "just not in my back yard".nicknyr15 said:
I have said the very same thing a number of times in the past. But the radical right Trump republicans and their extreme views and their extremely stupid manner and blind follow-the-foolish-leader way of pushing those views was a game changer that pushed things into a new perspective. The left has it's share of hypocrisy, not doubt! But other than the fringe Lincoln Project folks, the fight to preserve democracy has almost solely been a left/Democrat effort. The right has lost almost all of its credibility.Not nearly as often as we would like, that's for sure. Why is that?(And I must confess here, due to limited date on my phone-as-hot-spot for internet, I could not watch the whole video, which might answer my question.)
Like prisons, drug rehab centers, and homeless shelters?
"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
affordable housingbrianlux said:HughFreakingDillon said:
those that make policy are some of the ones who don't want it in their back yards.brianlux said:HughFreakingDillon said:
I agree on that absolutely, it's just funny how the left (and I'm including myself here) have almost been fooled by the dem leadership that they'll actually implement these progressive policies when they hold all the cards, and.....they don't.brianlux said:HughFreakingDillon said:
this honestly isn't at all surprising to me. I've always felt what that guy said, that many liberals are all about equality, "just not in my back yard".nicknyr15 said:
I have said the very same thing a number of times in the past. But the radical right Trump republicans and their extreme views and their extremely stupid manner and blind follow-the-foolish-leader way of pushing those views was a game changer that pushed things into a new perspective. The left has it's share of hypocrisy, not doubt! But other than the fringe Lincoln Project folks, the fight to preserve democracy has almost solely been a left/Democrat effort. The right has lost almost all of its credibility.Not nearly as often as we would like, that's for sure. Why is that?(And I must confess here, due to limited date on my phone-as-hot-spot for internet, I could not watch the whole video, which might answer my question.)
Like prisons, drug rehab centers, and homeless shelters?By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
HughFreakingDillon said:
affordable housingbrianlux said:HughFreakingDillon said:
those that make policy are some of the ones who don't want it in their back yards.brianlux said:HughFreakingDillon said:
I agree on that absolutely, it's just funny how the left (and I'm including myself here) have almost been fooled by the dem leadership that they'll actually implement these progressive policies when they hold all the cards, and.....they don't.brianlux said:HughFreakingDillon said:
this honestly isn't at all surprising to me. I've always felt what that guy said, that many liberals are all about equality, "just not in my back yard".nicknyr15 said:
I have said the very same thing a number of times in the past. But the radical right Trump republicans and their extreme views and their extremely stupid manner and blind follow-the-foolish-leader way of pushing those views was a game changer that pushed things into a new perspective. The left has it's share of hypocrisy, not doubt! But other than the fringe Lincoln Project folks, the fight to preserve democracy has almost solely been a left/Democrat effort. The right has lost almost all of its credibility.Not nearly as often as we would like, that's for sure. Why is that?(And I must confess here, due to limited date on my phone-as-hot-spot for internet, I could not watch the whole video, which might answer my question.)
Like prisons, drug rehab centers, and homeless shelters?
Ah, I see. Yeah, NIMBY, for sure. But is that a left/right thing? I would think both dems and reps, left and right people with money and upscale neighborhoods would be NIMBY on affordable housing because that would drop the value of their homes.
"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
yes, but are republicans promising to build affordable housing?brianlux said:HughFreakingDillon said:
affordable housingbrianlux said:HughFreakingDillon said:
those that make policy are some of the ones who don't want it in their back yards.brianlux said:HughFreakingDillon said:
I agree on that absolutely, it's just funny how the left (and I'm including myself here) have almost been fooled by the dem leadership that they'll actually implement these progressive policies when they hold all the cards, and.....they don't.brianlux said:HughFreakingDillon said:
this honestly isn't at all surprising to me. I've always felt what that guy said, that many liberals are all about equality, "just not in my back yard".nicknyr15 said:
I have said the very same thing a number of times in the past. But the radical right Trump republicans and their extreme views and their extremely stupid manner and blind follow-the-foolish-leader way of pushing those views was a game changer that pushed things into a new perspective. The left has it's share of hypocrisy, not doubt! But other than the fringe Lincoln Project folks, the fight to preserve democracy has almost solely been a left/Democrat effort. The right has lost almost all of its credibility.Not nearly as often as we would like, that's for sure. Why is that?(And I must confess here, due to limited date on my phone-as-hot-spot for internet, I could not watch the whole video, which might answer my question.)
Like prisons, drug rehab centers, and homeless shelters?
Ah, I see. Yeah, NIMBY, for sure. But is that a left/right thing? I would think both dems and reps, left and right people with money and upscale neighborhoods would be NIMBY on affordable housing because that would drop the value of their homes.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
HughFreakingDillon said:
yes, but are republicans promising to build affordable housing?brianlux said:HughFreakingDillon said:
affordable housingbrianlux said:HughFreakingDillon said:
those that make policy are some of the ones who don't want it in their back yards.brianlux said:HughFreakingDillon said:
I agree on that absolutely, it's just funny how the left (and I'm including myself here) have almost been fooled by the dem leadership that they'll actually implement these progressive policies when they hold all the cards, and.....they don't.brianlux said:HughFreakingDillon said:
this honestly isn't at all surprising to me. I've always felt what that guy said, that many liberals are all about equality, "just not in my back yard".nicknyr15 said:
I have said the very same thing a number of times in the past. But the radical right Trump republicans and their extreme views and their extremely stupid manner and blind follow-the-foolish-leader way of pushing those views was a game changer that pushed things into a new perspective. The left has it's share of hypocrisy, not doubt! But other than the fringe Lincoln Project folks, the fight to preserve democracy has almost solely been a left/Democrat effort. The right has lost almost all of its credibility.Not nearly as often as we would like, that's for sure. Why is that?(And I must confess here, due to limited date on my phone-as-hot-spot for internet, I could not watch the whole video, which might answer my question.)
Like prisons, drug rehab centers, and homeless shelters?
Ah, I see. Yeah, NIMBY, for sure. But is that a left/right thing? I would think both dems and reps, left and right people with money and upscale neighborhoods would be NIMBY on affordable housing because that would drop the value of their homes.
I would guess not, but would not say so because I honestly don't know.
"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
About ten years ago there were rumours that Jason Segel was going to star in a movie about it! I wish it had come out.HughFreakingDillon said:what I really want is a movie based on the The Great Canadian Maple Syrup Heist starring Jason Statham.'05 - TO, '06 - TO 1, '08 - NYC 1 & 2, '09 - TO, Chi 1 & 2, '10 - Buffalo, NYC 1 & 2, '11 - TO 1 & 2, Hamilton, '13 - Buffalo, Brooklyn 1 & 2, '15 - Global Citizen, '16 - TO 1 & 2, Chi 2
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Jean Claude Van Damme was busy with a different Oscar worthy performance?benjs said:
About ten years ago there were rumours that Jason Segel was going to star in a movie about it! I wish it had come out.HughFreakingDillon said:what I really want is a movie based on the The Great Canadian Maple Syrup Heist starring Jason Statham.0 -
I found that host to be super annoying.nicknyr15 said:
To the points..
1. There's a big difference between liberals and progressives. This short tries to lump libs, progressives and center left people like me, into one bucket. Worse, it cherry picks state and county decisions that support its conclusions into one broad bucket. I find that irritating.
2. However, it does bring out a fundamental truth. The country truly is center right. Now that center always moves, but it's center right. And the VA elections should be a wake up call. You want to push these far left policies, you will lose elections. Is it better to be center left or out of power?0 -
benjs said:
About ten years ago there were rumours that Jason Segel was going to star in a movie about it! I wish it had come out.HughFreakingDillon said:what I really want is a movie based on the The Great Canadian Maple Syrup Heist starring Jason Statham.mrussel1 said:
Jean Claude Van Damme was busy with a different Oscar worthy performance?benjs said:
About ten years ago there were rumours that Jason Segel was going to star in a movie about it! I wish it had come out.HughFreakingDillon said:what I really want is a movie based on the The Great Canadian Maple Syrup Heist starring Jason Statham.
Arnold Schwarzenegger passed on it because he is not into sugar. His reply when asked was, "No! Put down that cookie!"
"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
that is one thing I noticed too (the cherry picking). But like you said, for the most part, truly progressive policies are great to run on, but not to implement. people think they've done their job by electing the person who said they will do it, and wash their hands of it when they inevitably don't follow through.mrussel1 said:
I found that host to be super annoying.nicknyr15 said:
To the points..
1. There's a big difference between liberals and progressives. This short tries to lump libs, progressives and center left people like me, into one bucket. Worse, it cherry picks state and county decisions that support its conclusions into one broad bucket. I find that irritating.
2. However, it does bring out a fundamental truth. The country truly is center right. Now that center always moves, but it's center right. And the VA elections should be a wake up call. You want to push these far left policies, you will lose elections. Is it better to be center left or out of power?By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
mrussel1 said:
I found that host to be super annoying.nicknyr15 said:
To the points..
1. There's a big difference between liberals and progressives. This short tries to lump libs, progressives and center left people like me, into one bucket. Worse, it cherry picks state and county decisions that support its conclusions into one broad bucket. I find that irritating.
2. However, it does bring out a fundamental truth. The country truly is center right. Now that center always moves, but it's center right. And the VA elections should be a wake up call. You want to push these far left policies, you will lose elections. Is it better to be center left or out of power?
I don't like sounding "alarmist", but it scares the bejesus out of me to see how the U.S. is moving to the right and what that could mean for environmental and social justice issues.
"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
View it through the arc of history. We are far more liberal than we were in the 50s, 60s, 90s, etc. There's some ebb and flow, but the social movement left continues.brianlux said:mrussel1 said:
I found that host to be super annoying.nicknyr15 said:
To the points..
1. There's a big difference between liberals and progressives. This short tries to lump libs, progressives and center left people like me, into one bucket. Worse, it cherry picks state and county decisions that support its conclusions into one broad bucket. I find that irritating.
2. However, it does bring out a fundamental truth. The country truly is center right. Now that center always moves, but it's center right. And the VA elections should be a wake up call. You want to push these far left policies, you will lose elections. Is it better to be center left or out of power?
I don't like sounding "alarmist", but it scares the bejesus out of me to see how the U.S. is moving to the right and what that could mean for environmental and social justice issues.0 -
mrussel1 said:
View it through the arc of history. We are far more liberal than we were in the 50s, 60s, 90s, etc. There's some ebb and flow, but the social movement left continues.brianlux said:mrussel1 said:
I found that host to be super annoying.nicknyr15 said:
To the points..
1. There's a big difference between liberals and progressives. This short tries to lump libs, progressives and center left people like me, into one bucket. Worse, it cherry picks state and county decisions that support its conclusions into one broad bucket. I find that irritating.
2. However, it does bring out a fundamental truth. The country truly is center right. Now that center always moves, but it's center right. And the VA elections should be a wake up call. You want to push these far left policies, you will lose elections. Is it better to be center left or out of power?
I don't like sounding "alarmist", but it scares the bejesus out of me to see how the U.S. is moving to the right and what that could mean for environmental and social justice issues.
1950's, definitely. More liberal in the sixties? The Kennedy/Johnson/ years? I don't think so!
"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
in the 60's, true civil rights was regional at best. There were race riots everywhere. The south was still segregated. Gay marriage was not legal, socially acceptable or frankly even contemplated. Marijuana use was certainly not acceptable. While the hippies and the counterculture were 'liberal' of course, they were called the counterculture for a reason. They were outside what was considered the norms of society. You lived through it, not me. But to hear someone say that center of the nations cultural society was more liberal in the 60's than it is today is surprising.brianlux said:mrussel1 said:
View it through the arc of history. We are far more liberal than we were in the 50s, 60s, 90s, etc. There's some ebb and flow, but the social movement left continues.brianlux said:mrussel1 said:
I found that host to be super annoying.nicknyr15 said:
To the points..
1. There's a big difference between liberals and progressives. This short tries to lump libs, progressives and center left people like me, into one bucket. Worse, it cherry picks state and county decisions that support its conclusions into one broad bucket. I find that irritating.
2. However, it does bring out a fundamental truth. The country truly is center right. Now that center always moves, but it's center right. And the VA elections should be a wake up call. You want to push these far left policies, you will lose elections. Is it better to be center left or out of power?
I don't like sounding "alarmist", but it scares the bejesus out of me to see how the U.S. is moving to the right and what that could mean for environmental and social justice issues.
1950's, definitely. More liberal in the sixties? The Kennedy/Johnson/ years? I don't think so!0 -
mrussel1 said:
in the 60's, true civil rights was regional at best. There were race riots everywhere. The south was still segregated. Gay marriage was not legal, socially acceptable or frankly even contemplated. Marijuana use was certainly not acceptable. While the hippies and the counterculture were 'liberal' of course, they were called the counterculture for a reason. They were outside what was considered the norms of society. You lived through it, not me. But to hear someone say that center of the nations cultural society was more liberal in the 60's than it is today is surprising.brianlux said:mrussel1 said:
View it through the arc of history. We are far more liberal than we were in the 50s, 60s, 90s, etc. There's some ebb and flow, but the social movement left continues.brianlux said:mrussel1 said:
I found that host to be super annoying.nicknyr15 said:
To the points..
1. There's a big difference between liberals and progressives. This short tries to lump libs, progressives and center left people like me, into one bucket. Worse, it cherry picks state and county decisions that support its conclusions into one broad bucket. I find that irritating.
2. However, it does bring out a fundamental truth. The country truly is center right. Now that center always moves, but it's center right. And the VA elections should be a wake up call. You want to push these far left policies, you will lose elections. Is it better to be center left or out of power?
I don't like sounding "alarmist", but it scares the bejesus out of me to see how the U.S. is moving to the right and what that could mean for environmental and social justice issues.
1950's, definitely. More liberal in the sixties? The Kennedy/Johnson/ years? I don't think so!
America was capable of electing a Richard Nixon late in that decade, but also getting him out of there later on. As flawed as that president was, he was no Donald Trump. America would not have stood for a Trump in the 60 and 70's. We did in the 2010's... and couldn't even dump him when we (sort of) tried. And no way would right wingers try to break into the Capitol building like they did Jan. 6. This kind of shit just did not happen then. We were not on the verge of losing Democracy. No way would Americans tolerate flags on cars that read "Fuck Kennedy" like we see that say "Fuck Biden". For all it's flaws back then, overall, the U.S. was not as radically right wing then as it is today. This country is way more screwed up today.
"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
I think what you're referring to though is a niche group of folks, not the majority of conservatives/republicans. sure, most tolerate that bullshit, but aren't actively participating in it.brianlux said:mrussel1 said:
in the 60's, true civil rights was regional at best. There were race riots everywhere. The south was still segregated. Gay marriage was not legal, socially acceptable or frankly even contemplated. Marijuana use was certainly not acceptable. While the hippies and the counterculture were 'liberal' of course, they were called the counterculture for a reason. They were outside what was considered the norms of society. You lived through it, not me. But to hear someone say that center of the nations cultural society was more liberal in the 60's than it is today is surprising.brianlux said:mrussel1 said:
View it through the arc of history. We are far more liberal than we were in the 50s, 60s, 90s, etc. There's some ebb and flow, but the social movement left continues.brianlux said:mrussel1 said:
I found that host to be super annoying.nicknyr15 said:
To the points..
1. There's a big difference between liberals and progressives. This short tries to lump libs, progressives and center left people like me, into one bucket. Worse, it cherry picks state and county decisions that support its conclusions into one broad bucket. I find that irritating.
2. However, it does bring out a fundamental truth. The country truly is center right. Now that center always moves, but it's center right. And the VA elections should be a wake up call. You want to push these far left policies, you will lose elections. Is it better to be center left or out of power?
I don't like sounding "alarmist", but it scares the bejesus out of me to see how the U.S. is moving to the right and what that could mean for environmental and social justice issues.
1950's, definitely. More liberal in the sixties? The Kennedy/Johnson/ years? I don't think so!
America was capable of electing a Richard Nixon late in that decade, but also getting him out of there later on. As flawed as that president was, he was no Donald Trump. America would not have stood for a Trump in the 60 and 70's. We did in the 2010's... and couldn't even dump him when we (sort of) tried. And no way would right wingers try to break into the Capitol building like they did Jan. 6. This kind of shit just did not happen then. We were not on the verge of losing Democracy. No way would Americans tolerate flags on cars that read "Fuck Kennedy" like we see that say "Fuck Biden". For all it's flaws back then, overall, the U.S. was not as radically right wing then as it is today. This country is way more screwed up today.
I think for the most part the US is more liberal than it used to be.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
I agree with many of these points, and I would synthesize it by saying the right wing is more extreme than it was back then. I think that is for sure. The country had its John Birch Society nutjobs, but they were considered nuts by the party. Goldwater got demolished too. So yes, I'm there with you. But I still think the center of American culture is more liberal today than it was back then. But the extreme is also more dangerous. To me, that's an output of social media.brianlux said:mrussel1 said:
in the 60's, true civil rights was regional at best. There were race riots everywhere. The south was still segregated. Gay marriage was not legal, socially acceptable or frankly even contemplated. Marijuana use was certainly not acceptable. While the hippies and the counterculture were 'liberal' of course, they were called the counterculture for a reason. They were outside what was considered the norms of society. You lived through it, not me. But to hear someone say that center of the nations cultural society was more liberal in the 60's than it is today is surprising.brianlux said:mrussel1 said:
View it through the arc of history. We are far more liberal than we were in the 50s, 60s, 90s, etc. There's some ebb and flow, but the social movement left continues.brianlux said:mrussel1 said:
I found that host to be super annoying.nicknyr15 said:
To the points..
1. There's a big difference between liberals and progressives. This short tries to lump libs, progressives and center left people like me, into one bucket. Worse, it cherry picks state and county decisions that support its conclusions into one broad bucket. I find that irritating.
2. However, it does bring out a fundamental truth. The country truly is center right. Now that center always moves, but it's center right. And the VA elections should be a wake up call. You want to push these far left policies, you will lose elections. Is it better to be center left or out of power?
I don't like sounding "alarmist", but it scares the bejesus out of me to see how the U.S. is moving to the right and what that could mean for environmental and social justice issues.
1950's, definitely. More liberal in the sixties? The Kennedy/Johnson/ years? I don't think so!
America was capable of electing a Richard Nixon late in that decade, but also getting him out of there later on. As flawed as that president was, he was no Donald Trump. America would not have stood for a Trump in the 60 and 70's. We did in the 2010's... and couldn't even dump him when we (sort of) tried. And no way would right wingers try to break into the Capitol building like they did Jan. 6. This kind of shit just did not happen then. We were not on the verge of losing Democracy. No way would Americans tolerate flags on cars that read "Fuck Kennedy" like we see that say "Fuck Biden". For all it's flaws back then, overall, the U.S. was not as radically right wing then as it is today. This country is way more screwed up today.0
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