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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,128
    manchin basically said he is not going to support BBB because other democrats were mean to him.

    fuck that. 

    AOC and Omar have gotten it way worse, having their lives threatened and all. but yeah "those guys were mean to me" isn't gonna fly.

    i say bring that bill to the senate floor, make manchin vote against it, and then use it against him when he is up again.
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  • manchin basically said he is not going to support BBB because other democrats were mean to him.

    fuck that. 

    AOC and Omar have gotten it way worse, having their lives threatened and all. but yeah "those guys were mean to me" isn't gonna fly.

    i say bring that bill to the senate floor, make manchin vote against it, and then use it against him when he is up again.
    And strip his ass of committee assignments. Fuck him, go join the repubs or pretend to be an Indy. Yea, WV wants more oil drilling off the coast of CA. A top 5 taker state dictating the direction of the country. Sounds about right.
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,128
    manchin basically said he is not going to support BBB because other democrats were mean to him.

    fuck that. 

    AOC and Omar have gotten it way worse, having their lives threatened and all. but yeah "those guys were mean to me" isn't gonna fly.

    i say bring that bill to the senate floor, make manchin vote against it, and then use it against him when he is up again.
    And strip his ass of committee assignments. Fuck him, go join the repubs or pretend to be an Indy. Yea, WV wants more oil drilling off the coast of CA. A top 5 taker state dictating the direction of the country. Sounds about right.
    manchin's family fortune is from the oil industry. i think either he, or his dad, had a successful business in the oil industry.

    we should make it a law where millionaires cannot be senators. we have 51 rich pricks making decisions on behalf of 100 million people.
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,882
    manchin basically said he is not going to support BBB because other democrats were mean to him.

    fuck that. 

    AOC and Omar have gotten it way worse, having their lives threatened and all. but yeah "those guys were mean to me" isn't gonna fly.

    i say bring that bill to the senate floor, make manchin vote against it, and then use it against him when he is up again.
    And strip his ass of committee assignments. Fuck him, go join the repubs or pretend to be an Indy. Yea, WV wants more oil drilling off the coast of CA. A top 5 taker state dictating the direction of the country. Sounds about right.
    manchin's family fortune is from the oil industry. i think either he, or his dad, had a successful business in the oil industry.

    we should make it a law where millionaires cannot be senators. we have 51 rich pricks making decisions on behalf of 100 million people.
    Is this a serious suggestion?
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,490
    mrussel1 said:
    manchin basically said he is not going to support BBB because other democrats were mean to him.

    fuck that. 

    AOC and Omar have gotten it way worse, having their lives threatened and all. but yeah "those guys were mean to me" isn't gonna fly.

    i say bring that bill to the senate floor, make manchin vote against it, and then use it against him when he is up again.
    And strip his ass of committee assignments. Fuck him, go join the repubs or pretend to be an Indy. Yea, WV wants more oil drilling off the coast of CA. A top 5 taker state dictating the direction of the country. Sounds about right.
    manchin's family fortune is from the oil industry. i think either he, or his dad, had a successful business in the oil industry.

    we should make it a law where millionaires cannot be senators. we have 51 rich pricks making decisions on behalf of 100 million people.
    Is this a serious suggestion?
    obviously that could never be put into practice, but you have to admit that the average senator's motivations are most likely not "serving their country". which has been problematic for a very long time. 
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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    is this the bill that includes the 12500 welfare subsidy  if you buy a electric vehicle made with us content?  If so a lot of Canadians politicians and those in the Canadian auto industry are…
    Buy America clauses…lmfao.  You guys are real free traders…
    Give Peas A Chance…
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,473
    welfare subsidy? put down the pipe.
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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    Paying people money just to buy a luxury vehicle … that’s fucking welfare.  Perhaps you should get off the meth…
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,882
    Paying people money just to buy a luxury vehicle … that’s fucking welfare.  Perhaps you should get off the meth…
    Good grief, tax credits have been used to stimulate preferred gov't actions for generations.  And "Buy American" is not exactly a new concept here as well. 
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,473
    mrussel1 said:
    Paying people money just to buy a luxury vehicle … that’s fucking welfare.  Perhaps you should get off the meth…
    Good grief, tax credits have been used to stimulate preferred gov't actions for generations.  And "Buy American" is not exactly a new concept here as well. 

    well we can always remove the scrubbers and fire up the coal plants along erie
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  • mickeyrat said:
     here is what Manchin has said.  I dont give a shit about the 170,000 children who are fareing better from those payments. I dont give a shit that 86% of west virgians with children  polled  said those payments made a "huge difference"  I only care that my rich grandchildren will have to pay for it.  

    Or, what he really did say which is - 

    W.Va already pays for universal Kindergarten without Federal Subsidies.  
    You can't take price the bill based on 1 year programs with 10 years funding when everyone knows once a hand out is provided, it's pretty much forever.
    Inflation is a problem and pumping more $$$s into the economy is going to make it worse
    There's a lot of unnecessary, unrelated shit in the bill - redraft it focused on the priorities and we can talk.

    Honestly, Manchin saved the Dems (and in large part what's left of the economy heading into next year).  Don't believe for a second it's just he (And Synema) of the Dems that had reservations about this bill.   Schumer is stupid pushing for a vote after the New Year.  McConnell already has his leadership gavel ready. He'd love to get closer to 60 if Schumer insists Purple/Red State Dems are forced to go on the record.

    It's basically a hand out to California and NY and being a NYer that would greatly benefit from the SALT limit lift, he's right.

    Read about what's in the bill. It's awful with a few good things sprinkled in.  

    Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,597
    At this point just pass the fucking Manchin bill so you got something to show for, you fucking idiots. 
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,882
    mickeyrat said:
     here is what Manchin has said.  I dont give a shit about the 170,000 children who are fareing better from those payments. I dont give a shit that 86% of west virgians with children  polled  said those payments made a "huge difference"  I only care that my rich grandchildren will have to pay for it.  

    Or, what he really did say which is - 

    W.Va already pays for universal Kindergarten without Federal Subsidies.  
    You can't take price the bill based on 1 year programs with 10 years funding when everyone knows once a hand out is provided, it's pretty much forever.
    Inflation is a problem and pumping more $$$s into the economy is going to make it worse
    There's a lot of unnecessary, unrelated shit in the bill - redraft it focused on the priorities and we can talk.

    Honestly, Manchin saved the Dems (and in large part what's left of the economy heading into next year).  Don't believe for a second it's just he (And Synema) of the Dems that had reservations about this bill.   Schumer is stupid pushing for a vote after the New Year.  McConnell already has his leadership gavel ready. He'd love to get closer to 60 if Schumer insists Purple/Red State Dems are forced to go on the record.

    It's basically a hand out to California and NY and being a NYer that would greatly benefit from the SALT limit lift, he's right.

    Read about what's in the bill. It's awful with a few good things sprinkled in.  

    Universal kindergarten?  Hasn't every state had that for 40+ years?  Are you talking about pre-K?

    The fight with Manchin was about the child tax credits, wasn't it?
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,473
    mrussel1 said:
    mickeyrat said:
     here is what Manchin has said.  I dont give a shit about the 170,000 children who are fareing better from those payments. I dont give a shit that 86% of west virgians with children  polled  said those payments made a "huge difference"  I only care that my rich grandchildren will have to pay for it.  

    Or, what he really did say which is - 

    W.Va already pays for universal Kindergarten without Federal Subsidies.  
    You can't take price the bill based on 1 year programs with 10 years funding when everyone knows once a hand out is provided, it's pretty much forever.
    Inflation is a problem and pumping more $$$s into the economy is going to make it worse
    There's a lot of unnecessary, unrelated shit in the bill - redraft it focused on the priorities and we can talk.

    Honestly, Manchin saved the Dems (and in large part what's left of the economy heading into next year).  Don't believe for a second it's just he (And Synema) of the Dems that had reservations about this bill.   Schumer is stupid pushing for a vote after the New Year.  McConnell already has his leadership gavel ready. He'd love to get closer to 60 if Schumer insists Purple/Red State Dems are forced to go on the record.

    It's basically a hand out to California and NY and being a NYer that would greatly benefit from the SALT limit lift, he's right.

    Read about what's in the bill. It's awful with a few good things sprinkled in.  

    Universal kindergarten?  Hasn't every state had that for 40+ years?  Are you talking about pre-K?

    The fight with Manchin was about the child tax credits, wasn't it?

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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,597
    Coal Minors in WV coming out bashing Manchin....
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  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,831
    mrussel1 said:
    mickeyrat said:
     here is what Manchin has said.  I dont give a shit about the 170,000 children who are fareing better from those payments. I dont give a shit that 86% of west virgians with children  polled  said those payments made a "huge difference"  I only care that my rich grandchildren will have to pay for it.  

    Or, what he really did say which is - 

    W.Va already pays for universal Kindergarten without Federal Subsidies.  
    You can't take price the bill based on 1 year programs with 10 years funding when everyone knows once a hand out is provided, it's pretty much forever.
    Inflation is a problem and pumping more $$$s into the economy is going to make it worse
    There's a lot of unnecessary, unrelated shit in the bill - redraft it focused on the priorities and we can talk.

    Honestly, Manchin saved the Dems (and in large part what's left of the economy heading into next year).  Don't believe for a second it's just he (And Synema) of the Dems that had reservations about this bill.   Schumer is stupid pushing for a vote after the New Year.  McConnell already has his leadership gavel ready. He'd love to get closer to 60 if Schumer insists Purple/Red State Dems are forced to go on the record.

    It's basically a hand out to California and NY and being a NYer that would greatly benefit from the SALT limit lift, he's right.

    Read about what's in the bill. It's awful with a few good things sprinkled in.  

    Universal kindergarten?  Hasn't every state had that for 40+ years?  Are you talking about pre-K?

    The fight with Manchin was about the child tax credits, wasn't it?
    I assumed he meant all day kindergarten.  The states I’ve lived in only had half day until a couple years ago.
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,128
    Coal Minors in WV coming out bashing Manchin....
    this might have an impact if manchin actually cared what people of WV think and want. this bill is very popular in WV.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,597
    Coal Minors in WV coming out bashing Manchin....
    this might have an impact if manchin actually cared what people of WV think and want. this bill is very popular in WV.
    I have a feeling they get something done in the early part of 2022.
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,128
    Coal Minors in WV coming out bashing Manchin....
    this might have an impact if manchin actually cared what people of WV think and want. this bill is very popular in WV.
    I have a feeling they get something done in the early part of 2022.
    you think manchin will cave?

    i don't.

    i think he leaves the dems and becomes independent over this.

    he has the sads because other dems were mean to him.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,597
    Coal Minors in WV coming out bashing Manchin....
    this might have an impact if manchin actually cared what people of WV think and want. this bill is very popular in WV.
    I have a feeling they get something done in the early part of 2022.
    you think manchin will cave?

    i don't.

    i think he leaves the dems and becomes independent over this.

    he has the sads because other dems were mean to him.
    No I think it will be the other way around. They have to do something. He knows it and Biden knows it. 
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