Yeah if she showed any remorse about doing it, then yeah, maybe you give her the benefit of the doubt. But she's trash for heckling during it anyway and then doubling down on it afterwards makes her an even bigger garbage human being.
Your modern day Republican party, folks.
disagree on that last point. those two people don't represent the whole party. the majority of them probably can't stand those two. not unlike how I'm sure a lot of democrats are tired of the squad (not comparing those groups as people, just to be clear).
If that's true, then I am sure there are plenty of members who condemned that behavior, right?
they do a better job of staying a unified party, and that's why....they don't openly criticize the bahaviour of others in their party. now, don't get me wrong: they SHOULD. But they don't.
Therein lies the problem, though.
By not condemning their deplorable behavior and having Trump endorse them have them letting them speak at his events makes it quite easy for folks to label them as the face of that party.
Yeah if she showed any remorse about doing it, then yeah, maybe you give her the benefit of the doubt. But she's trash for heckling during it anyway and then doubling down on it afterwards makes her an even bigger garbage human being.
Your modern day Republican party, folks.
disagree on that last point. those two people don't represent the whole party. the majority of them probably can't stand those two. not unlike how I'm sure a lot of democrats are tired of the squad (not comparing those groups as people, just to be clear).
If that's true, then I am sure there are plenty of members who condemned that behavior, right?
they do a better job of staying a unified party, and that's why....they don't openly criticize the bahaviour of others in their party. now, don't get me wrong: they SHOULD. But they don't.
Therein lies the problem, though.
By not condemning their deplorable behavior and having Trump endorse them have them letting them speak at his events makes it quite easy for folks to label them as the face of that party.
the only ones labelling them as the face of the party, or trying to, are hard line democrats. the mandate is clear: keep the party united, and keep the public infighting to a minimum. if you only allow your enemy to criticize you, it doesn't give as much credence to the criticism.
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Yeah if she showed any remorse about doing it, then yeah, maybe you give her the benefit of the doubt. But she's trash for heckling during it anyway and then doubling down on it afterwards makes her an even bigger garbage human being.
Your modern day Republican party, folks.
disagree on that last point. those two people don't represent the whole party. the majority of them probably can't stand those two. not unlike how I'm sure a lot of democrats are tired of the squad (not comparing those groups as people, just to be clear).
If that's true, then I am sure there are plenty of members who condemned that behavior, right?
they do a better job of staying a unified party, and that's why....they don't openly criticize the bahaviour of others in their party. now, don't get me wrong: they SHOULD. But they don't.
Therein lies the problem, though.
By not condemning their deplorable behavior and having Trump endorse them have them letting them speak at his events makes it quite easy for folks to label them as the face of that party.
the only ones labelling them as the face of the party, or trying to, are hard line democrats. the mandate is clear: keep the party united, and keep the public infighting to a minimum. if you only allow your enemy to criticize you, it doesn't give as much credence to the criticism.
yeah, of course it's shady. but it obviously works.
Republicans have successfully, albeit incorrectly, labeled the liberal progressive wing of the democrats as the face of their party for decades. These people should be even easier targets for the democrats because of all the things I mentioned above. They absolutely must make them the face of that party.
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In Greene and Boebert, Democrats See a Helpful Political Target
The antics of Representatives Marjorie Taylor Greene and Lauren Boebert, as well as recent stumbles by other Republicans, have drawn unflattering attention to their party.
Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene was publicly rebuked by the House Republican leader, Representative Kevin McCarthy, for appearing at a far-right conference with ties to white supremacy.Credit...Jason Andrew for The New York Times
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WASHINGTON — Representatives Marjorie Taylor Greene and Lauren Boebert are two backbench freshmen in the House minority, powerless in the official hierarchy and unlikely to gain much power even in a likely Republican majority next year.
But their antics, violations of decorum and association with white nationalists have elevated their profile far beyond their positions, and Democratic operatives are determined to make them the face of the Republican Party in the looming election season.
The two are not the only Republicans bringing unwanted attention to the party, and some of the division in the party’s ranks is being amplified by internal disputes, not by Democrats. Senator Rick Scott of Florida, the chairman of the Senate Republicans’ campaign arm, earned a public rebuke this week from Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, the Republican leader, for putting out a campaign manifesto that called for raising taxes on the poor and cutting Social Security.
On Wednesday, a little-known Republican, Representative Van Taylor of Texas, abruptly dropped his re-election bid after operatives on the party’s right flank — angered by his vote to create a bipartisan commission to examine the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the Capitol — revealed pornographic text messages that he had sent to a paramour.
But it is the faces of Ms. Boebert of Colorado and Ms. Greene of Georgia that are splashing across social media, political videos and advertising, after they both stood and heckled President Biden during his State of the Union address on Tuesday. Ms. Boebert shouted at the president just as he was referring to the death of his son Beau Biden.
Not since President Donald J. Trump used racially charged language in 2019 to castigate the liberal women of color in “the Squad” have freshmen House members received quite so much attention. Representative Ilhan Omar, Democrat of Minnesota and Mr. Trump’s favorite Squad target, said there were big differences.
For one, Ms. Boebert and Ms. Greene intentionally provoke responses to stay front and center, she said, while she and Representatives Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez of New York, Ayanna Pressley of Massachusetts and Rashida Tlaib of Michigan were more often sought out by critics.
On Monday, Ms. Greene was publicly rebuked by the House Republican leader, Representative Kevin McCarthy of California, over her appearance at a far-right conference with ties to white supremacy. The next day, she and Ms. Boebert heckled Mr. Biden and tried unsuccessfully to strike up a chant of “build the wall” during his State of the Union address.
And while Democrats routinely condemn their own for statements they consider out of the mainstream, Republicans rarely do, instead providing Ms. Greene, Ms. Boebert and others on the far right with platforms to broadcast their messages, such as the recent Conservative Political Action Conference in Florida.
“With us, the opinion pieces by Democratic pundits are already prewritten, and there’s a lot of scolding that happens within the caucus,” Ms. Omar said. “That’s not what happens with their party.”
Mr. McCarthy did say that Ms. Greene’s appearance last week at the far-right conference was “appalling and wrong,” promising to have a talk with her, but that does not compare to the criticism that rained down on Ms. Omar when she used an antisemitic trope to suggest that support for Israel was driven by money. Mr. McCarthy has also said Ms. Greene will be given back the committee assignments that Democrats stripped from her if Republicans control the House next year.
Speaker Nancy Pelosi, at her weekly news conference on Thursday, repeated perhaps the only criticism that a Republican leveled at Ms. Boebert and Ms. Greene after their heckling at the State of the Union.
“Let me just say this,” Ms. Pelosi said. “I agree with what Senator Lindsey Graham said: ‘Shut up.’”
Republican leaders have an easier political task than Democrats as they seek to keep voters focused on what they are seeing in their daily lives, such as inflation, soaring energy prices and ongoing frustrations with the coronavirus pandemic.
“Democrats don’t have a clue what moves voters and are desperately trying to distract from their record of higher prices, soaring crime and a crisis along our southern border,” said Michael McAdams, the communications director for the National Republican Congressional Committee.
Ms. Boebert’s staff did not respond to requests for comment, and Ms. Greene declined to speak to The New York Times. But she has remained defiant in the face of criticism. In December, she told the former Trump adviser Stephen K. Bannon, “We are not the fringe; we are the base of the party.”
For that reason alone, Democratic operatives say they have every right to elevate the visibility of Ms. Greene and Ms. Boebert and tie them to other Republicans who have refrained from criticizing them even as they have castigated the two Republicans serving on the committee investigating the 2021 attack on the Capitol, Representatives Liz Cheney of Wyoming and Adam Kinzinger of Illinois.
Representative Sean Patrick Maloney of New York, the chairman of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, said the House Democrats’ campaign arm had not decided how central to make the two lawmakers in the coming campaign season.
The committee is “making investments where they do the most good,” he said. “If that means making them the face of the party, we will do it. If it means ignoring them, we will do it, because the point is to win the House, not to win an argument.”
“But,” he added, “their actions are disgraceful, from attending white supremacy conferences to yelling at the president when he’s talking about his fallen son.”
Democratic allies are not so reticent. Jon Soltz, the chairman and co-founder of VoteVets, a liberal veterans organization, said the group was testing messages with voters to tie incumbent House Republicans in districts that lean Democratic to far-right figures in the Republican Party.
The attack might not work in conservative-leaning districts, he said, but it could against Republicans whose seats emerged from redistricting as more Democratic, such as Representative Nicole Malliotakis’s in New York and Representative Mike Garcia’s in Southern California.
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Representative Lauren Boebert shouted at President Biden just as he was referring to the death of his son Beau Biden.Credit...Pool photo by Sarahbeth Maney
“There’s some rather crazy rhetoric that comes out of their mouths, and behavior like you saw from them at the State of the Union,” Mr. Soltz said. “There are a lot of independents in suburban districts that might have leaned to Biden by five or six points, but Democrats now have to go get those voters back.”
Another Democratic political operation, American Bridge, is tying Ms. Greene to Herschel Walker, the former University of Georgia football star recruited by Mr. Trump to challenge Senator Raphael Warnock, Democrat of Georgia, this fall.
Jessica Floyd, the president of American Bridge, said on Thursday that the group’s efforts were crafted to make the midterm elections a choice between what she called a Republican Party of extremists against a Democratic Party focused on the economy and governance — not a referendum on Mr. Biden, whose approval ratings are dangerously low.
Voters “know and don’t like the sort of extreme positions that Marjorie Taylor Greene and Lauren Boebert embody,” she said.
She added, “That’s an opportunity for Democrats, and I think that we should seize on it.”
Yeah if she showed any remorse about doing it, then yeah, maybe you give her the benefit of the doubt. But she's trash for heckling during it anyway and then doubling down on it afterwards makes her an even bigger garbage human being.
Your modern day Republican party, folks.
disagree on that last point. those two people don't represent the whole party. the majority of them probably can't stand those two. not unlike how I'm sure a lot of democrats are tired of the squad (not comparing those groups as people, just to be clear).
If that's true, then I am sure there are plenty of members who condemned that behavior, right?
they do a better job of staying a unified party, and that's why....they don't openly criticize the bahaviour of others in their party. now, don't get me wrong: they SHOULD. But they don't.
Therein lies the problem, though.
By not condemning their deplorable behavior and having Trump endorse them have them letting them speak at his events makes it quite easy for folks to label them as the face of that party.
the only ones labelling them as the face of the party, or trying to, are hard line democrats. the mandate is clear: keep the party united, and keep the public infighting to a minimum. if you only allow your enemy to criticize you, it doesn't give as much credence to the criticism.
yeah, of course it's shady. but it obviously works.
Republicans have successfully, albeit incorrectly, labeled the liberal progressive wing of the democrats as the face of their party for decades. These people should be even easier targets for the democrats because of all the things I mentioned above. They absolutely must make them the face of that party.
It’s going to be very difficult to get someone who blames Jewish space lasers for things to be the face of anything.
Yeah if she showed any remorse about doing it, then yeah, maybe you give her the benefit of the doubt. But she's trash for heckling during it anyway and then doubling down on it afterwards makes her an even bigger garbage human being.
Your modern day Republican party, folks.
disagree on that last point. those two people don't represent the whole party. the majority of them probably can't stand those two. not unlike how I'm sure a lot of democrats are tired of the squad (not comparing those groups as people, just to be clear).
If that's true, then I am sure there are plenty of members who condemned that behavior, right?
they do a better job of staying a unified party, and that's why....they don't openly criticize the bahaviour of others in their party. now, don't get me wrong: they SHOULD. But they don't.
Then they are cowards who shouldn’t be in any position to have influence on the laws of our country.
Yeah if she showed any remorse about doing it, then yeah, maybe you give her the benefit of the doubt. But she's trash for heckling during it anyway and then doubling down on it afterwards makes her an even bigger garbage human being.
Your modern day Republican party, folks.
disagree on that last point. those two people don't represent the whole party. the majority of them probably can't stand those two. not unlike how I'm sure a lot of democrats are tired of the squad (not comparing those groups as people, just to be clear).
If that's true, then I am sure there are plenty of members who condemned that behavior, right?
they do a better job of staying a unified party, and that's why....they don't openly criticize the bahaviour of others in their party. now, don't get me wrong: they SHOULD. But they don't.
Therein lies the problem, though.
By not condemning their deplorable behavior and having Trump endorse them have them letting them speak at his events makes it quite easy for folks to label them as the face of that party.
the only ones labelling them as the face of the party, or trying to, are hard line democrats. the mandate is clear: keep the party united, and keep the public infighting to a minimum. if you only allow your enemy to criticize you, it doesn't give as much credence to the criticism.
yeah, of course it's shady. but it obviously works.
Republicans have successfully, albeit incorrectly, labeled the liberal progressive wing of the democrats as the face of their party for decades. These people should be even easier targets for the democrats because of all the things I mentioned above. They absolutely must make them the face of that party.
It’s going to be very difficult to get someone who blames Jewish space lasers for things to be the face of anything.
But she is. Stupid and irrationally angry pretty much is what the party is about.
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they aren't the face of the party anymore than the squad is the face of the democratic party, no matter how much fox news yells it from the rafters. they are known as the extreme wings of each party, the loudest ones in the room. obviously the squad (in my estimation) have more respect from their like minded peers than the toxic twins do, but still, just because one party claims someone is the face of the other party, doesn't make it so.
ted cruz, lindsay graham, gym jordan, trump, mcconnell; for better or worse, those are the faces of the GOP.
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Yeah if she showed any remorse about doing it, then yeah, maybe you give her the benefit of the doubt. But she's trash for heckling during it anyway and then doubling down on it afterwards makes her an even bigger garbage human being.
Your modern day Republican party, folks.
disagree on that last point. those two people don't represent the whole party. the majority of them probably can't stand those two. not unlike how I'm sure a lot of democrats are tired of the squad (not comparing those groups as people, just to be clear).
If that's true, then I am sure there are plenty of members who condemned that behavior, right?
they do a better job of staying a unified party, and that's why....they don't openly criticize the bahaviour of others in their party. now, don't get me wrong: they SHOULD. But they don't.
Therein lies the problem, though.
By not condemning their deplorable behavior and having Trump endorse them have them letting them speak at his events makes it quite easy for folks to label them as the face of that party.
the only ones labelling them as the face of the party, or trying to, are hard line democrats. the mandate is clear: keep the party united, and keep the public infighting to a minimum. if you only allow your enemy to criticize you, it doesn't give as much credence to the criticism.
yeah, of course it's shady. but it obviously works.
Republicans have successfully, albeit incorrectly, labeled the liberal progressive wing of the democrats as the face of their party for decades. These people should be even easier targets for the democrats because of all the things I mentioned above. They absolutely must make them the face of that party.
It’s going to be very difficult to get someone who blames Jewish space lasers for things to be the face of anything.
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Yeah if she showed any remorse about doing it, then yeah, maybe you give her the benefit of the doubt. But she's trash for heckling during it anyway and then doubling down on it afterwards makes her an even bigger garbage human being.
Your modern day Republican party, folks.
disagree on that last point. those two people don't represent the whole party. the majority of them probably can't stand those two. not unlike how I'm sure a lot of democrats are tired of the squad (not comparing those groups as people, just to be clear).
If that's true, then I am sure there are plenty of members who condemned that behavior, right?
they do a better job of staying a unified party, and that's why....they don't openly criticize the bahaviour of others in their party. now, don't get me wrong: they SHOULD. But they don't.
Therein lies the problem, though.
By not condemning their deplorable behavior and having Trump endorse them have them letting them speak at his events makes it quite easy for folks to label them as the face of that party.
the only ones labelling them as the face of the party, or trying to, are hard line democrats. the mandate is clear: keep the party united, and keep the public infighting to a minimum. if you only allow your enemy to criticize you, it doesn't give as much credence to the criticism.
yeah, of course it's shady. but it obviously works.
Republicans have successfully, albeit incorrectly, labeled the liberal progressive wing of the democrats as the face of their party for decades. These people should be even easier targets for the democrats because of all the things I mentioned above. They absolutely must make them the face of that party.
It’s going to be very difficult to get someone who blames Jewish space lasers for things to be the face of anything.
But she is. Stupid and irrationally angry pretty much is what the party is about.
If the democrats were smart, they would do everything they can to link every vulnerable Republican to them this fall.
Ah, but are the democrats smart? Ah, well, we shall see.
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they aren't the face of the party anymore than the squad is the face of the democratic party, no matter how much fox news yells it from the rafters. they are known as the extreme wings of each party, the loudest ones in the room. obviously the squad (in my estimation) have more respect from their like minded peers than the toxic twins do, but still, just because one party claims someone is the face of the other party, doesn't make it so.
ted cruz, lindsay graham, gym jordan, trump, mcconnell; for better or worse, those are the faces of the GOP.
they aren't the face of the party anymore than the squad is the face of the democratic party, no matter how much fox news yells it from the rafters. they are known as the extreme wings of each party, the loudest ones in the room. obviously the squad (in my estimation) have more respect from their like minded peers than the toxic twins do, but still, just because one party claims someone is the face of the other party, doesn't make it so.
ted cruz, lindsay graham, gym jordan, trump, mcconnell; for better or worse, those are the faces of the GOP.
Ted Cruz, you say?
yeah, ted cruz I say. why do you think she took a picture with him and posted it? instead of say, mike crapo?
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they aren't the face of the party anymore than the squad is the face of the democratic party, no matter how much fox news yells it from the rafters. they are known as the extreme wings of each party, the loudest ones in the room. obviously the squad (in my estimation) have more respect from their like minded peers than the toxic twins do, but still, just because one party claims someone is the face of the other party, doesn't make it so.
ted cruz, lindsay graham, gym jordan, trump, mcconnell; for better or worse, those are the faces of the GOP.
Ted Cruz, you say?
yeah, ted cruz I say. why do you think she took a picture with him and posted it? instead of say, mike crapo?
Same reason Marge has pics of herself with Trump and speaks at Trump rallies.
Do you see any pictures of Ilhan Omar and Joe Biden (to use your example)?
they aren't the face of the party anymore than the squad is the face of the democratic party, no matter how much fox news yells it from the rafters. they are known as the extreme wings of each party, the loudest ones in the room. obviously the squad (in my estimation) have more respect from their like minded peers than the toxic twins do, but still, just because one party claims someone is the face of the other party, doesn't make it so.
ted cruz, lindsay graham, gym jordan, trump, mcconnell; for better or worse, those are the faces of the GOP.
Ted Cruz, you say?
yeah, ted cruz I say. why do you think she took a picture with him and posted it? instead of say, mike crapo?
Same reason Marge has pics of herself with Trump and speaks at Trump rallies.
Do you see any pictures of Ilhan Omar and Joe Biden (to use your example)?
nope. again, I don't view them as the same....it was just the closest example.
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they aren't the face of the party anymore than the squad is the face of the democratic party, no matter how much fox news yells it from the rafters. they are known as the extreme wings of each party, the loudest ones in the room. obviously the squad (in my estimation) have more respect from their like minded peers than the toxic twins do, but still, just because one party claims someone is the face of the other party, doesn't make it so.
ted cruz, lindsay graham, gym jordan, trump, mcconnell; for better or worse, those are the faces of the GOP.
Ted Cruz, you say?
yeah, ted cruz I say. why do you think she took a picture with him and posted it? instead of say, mike crapo?
Same reason Marge has pics of herself with Trump and speaks at Trump rallies.
Do you see any pictures of Ilhan Omar and Joe Biden (to use your example)?
nope. again, I don't view them as the same....it was just the closest example.
The leader of the Republican party is Donald Trump and he has chosen to have her speak at his rallies. She helped plan January 6th with him. That tells you all you need to know.
So, in actuality, it should be easier for Democrats to make her the face of the Republican party than it is for Repubs to do the same for members of the Squad.
they aren't the face of the party anymore than the squad is the face of the democratic party, no matter how much fox news yells it from the rafters. they are known as the extreme wings of each party, the loudest ones in the room. obviously the squad (in my estimation) have more respect from their like minded peers than the toxic twins do, but still, just because one party claims someone is the face of the other party, doesn't make it so.
ted cruz, lindsay graham, gym jordan, trump, mcconnell; for better or worse, those are the faces of the GOP.
Ted Cruz, you say?
yeah, ted cruz I say. why do you think she took a picture with him and posted it? instead of say, mike crapo?
Same reason Marge has pics of herself with Trump and speaks at Trump rallies.
Do you see any pictures of Ilhan Omar and Joe Biden (to use your example)?
nope. again, I don't view them as the same....it was just the closest example.
The leader of the Republican party is Donald Trump and he has chosen to have her speak at his rallies. She helped plan January 6th with him. That tells you all you need to know.
So, in actuality, it should be easier for Democrats to make her the face of the Republican party than it is for Repubs to do the same for members of the Squad.
disagree. trump likes to trot out people who fawn over him no matter who it is, especially someone who is willing to believe in the farce of his nonsense. the face of the party would be someone who could cross the media line instead of just blathering and shouting on fox news and newsmax.
she and boebert are great for ridiculous soundbites that late night talk shows like to laugh at....but they are far from the face of the party.
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they aren't the face of the party anymore than the squad is the face of the democratic party, no matter how much fox news yells it from the rafters. they are known as the extreme wings of each party, the loudest ones in the room. obviously the squad (in my estimation) have more respect from their like minded peers than the toxic twins do, but still, just because one party claims someone is the face of the other party, doesn't make it so.
ted cruz, lindsay graham, gym jordan, trump, mcconnell; for better or worse, those are the faces of the GOP.
Ted Cruz, you say?
yeah, ted cruz I say. why do you think she took a picture with him and posted it? instead of say, mike crapo?
Same reason Marge has pics of herself with Trump and speaks at Trump rallies.
Do you see any pictures of Ilhan Omar and Joe Biden (to use your example)?
nope. again, I don't view them as the same....it was just the closest example.
The leader of the Republican party is Donald Trump and he has chosen to have her speak at his rallies. She helped plan January 6th with him. That tells you all you need to know.
So, in actuality, it should be easier for Democrats to make her the face of the Republican party than it is for Repubs to do the same for members of the Squad.
disagree. trump likes to trot out people who fawn over him no matter who it is, especially someone who is willing to believe in the farce of his nonsense. the face of the party would be someone who could cross the media line instead of just blathering and shouting on fox news and newsmax.
she and boebert are great for ridiculous soundbites that late night talk shows like to laugh at....but they are far from the face of the party.
Cross the media line? So....Adam Kinzinger? lol I don't know what you mean by that. Sounds like you are saying Turmp inadvertently made her the face of the Republican party. If so, oops, that's on him. You get prime speaking slots with the President of the Untied States, you are automatically elevated in status. Democrats would be smart to exploit that from her to eternity, just like Republicans have done for decades to the far left.
they aren't the face of the party anymore than the squad is the face of the democratic party, no matter how much fox news yells it from the rafters. they are known as the extreme wings of each party, the loudest ones in the room. obviously the squad (in my estimation) have more respect from their like minded peers than the toxic twins do, but still, just because one party claims someone is the face of the other party, doesn't make it so.
ted cruz, lindsay graham, gym jordan, trump, mcconnell; for better or worse, those are the faces of the GOP.
Ted Cruz, you say?
yeah, ted cruz I say. why do you think she took a picture with him and posted it? instead of say, mike crapo?
Same reason Marge has pics of herself with Trump and speaks at Trump rallies.
Do you see any pictures of Ilhan Omar and Joe Biden (to use your example)?
nope. again, I don't view them as the same....it was just the closest example.
The leader of the Republican party is Donald Trump and he has chosen to have her speak at his rallies. She helped plan January 6th with him. That tells you all you need to know.
So, in actuality, it should be easier for Democrats to make her the face of the Republican party than it is for Repubs to do the same for members of the Squad.
disagree. trump likes to trot out people who fawn over him no matter who it is, especially someone who is willing to believe in the farce of his nonsense. the face of the party would be someone who could cross the media line instead of just blathering and shouting on fox news and newsmax.
she and boebert are great for ridiculous soundbites that late night talk shows like to laugh at....but they are far from the face of the party.
Cross the media line? So....Adam Kinzinger? lol I don't know what you mean by that. Sounds like you are saying Turmp inadvertently made her the face of the Republican party. If so, oops, that's on him. You get prime speaking slots with the President of the Untied States, you are automatically elevated in status. Democrats would be smart to exploit that from her to eternity, just like Republicans have done for decades to the far left.
I mean any face of either party becomes mainstream....she's not mainstream. she's a kook that is laughed at by moderates and lefties (if most moderates even know who she is). and probably even hard line R's that just wish she'd STFU. Trump has had a bunch of losers/weirdos speak at his rallies, anyone who peddles his lies and stroke his fragile ego....sure, it elevates them, but it doesn't automatically make you the face of the party.
maybe we just have differing opinions on what "face of the party" means. to me it means when you think of the party, the first person that comes to mind. I can't imagine she's the first person that comes to mind with many people.
yes, i agree it would benefit dems to make them the faces of the republican party, but I highly doubt it would ever stick.
they aren't the face of the party anymore than the squad is the face of the democratic party, no matter how much fox news yells it from the rafters. they are known as the extreme wings of each party, the loudest ones in the room. obviously the squad (in my estimation) have more respect from their like minded peers than the toxic twins do, but still, just because one party claims someone is the face of the other party, doesn't make it so.
ted cruz, lindsay graham, gym jordan, trump, mcconnell; for better or worse, those are the faces of the GOP.
Ted Cruz, you say?
yeah, ted cruz I say. why do you think she took a picture with him and posted it? instead of say, mike crapo?
Same reason Marge has pics of herself with Trump and speaks at Trump rallies.
Do you see any pictures of Ilhan Omar and Joe Biden (to use your example)?
nope. again, I don't view them as the same....it was just the closest example.
The leader of the Republican party is Donald Trump and he has chosen to have her speak at his rallies. She helped plan January 6th with him. That tells you all you need to know.
So, in actuality, it should be easier for Democrats to make her the face of the Republican party than it is for Repubs to do the same for members of the Squad.
disagree. trump likes to trot out people who fawn over him no matter who it is, especially someone who is willing to believe in the farce of his nonsense. the face of the party would be someone who could cross the media line instead of just blathering and shouting on fox news and newsmax.
she and boebert are great for ridiculous soundbites that late night talk shows like to laugh at....but they are far from the face of the party.
Cross the media line? So....Adam Kinzinger? lol I don't know what you mean by that. Sounds like you are saying Turmp inadvertently made her the face of the Republican party. If so, oops, that's on him. You get prime speaking slots with the President of the Untied States, you are automatically elevated in status. Democrats would be smart to exploit that from her to eternity, just like Republicans have done for decades to the far left.
I mean any face of either party becomes mainstream....she's not mainstream. she's a kook that is laughed at by moderates and lefties (if most moderates even know who she is). and probably even hard line R's that just wish she'd STFU. Trump has had a bunch of losers/weirdos speak at his rallies, anyone who peddles his lies and stroke his fragile ego....sure, it elevates them, but it doesn't automatically make you the face of the party.
maybe we just have differing opinions on what "face of the party" means. to me it means when you think of the party, the first person that comes to mind. I can't imagine she's the first person that comes to mind with many people.
yes, i agree it would benefit dems to make them the faces of the republican party, but I highly doubt it would ever stick.
Where are the hard line Rs that wish she would STFU? Do they even exist?
I'm under the impression the GOP of 2022 enjoys having her around.
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they aren't the face of the party anymore than the squad is the face of the democratic party, no matter how much fox news yells it from the rafters. they are known as the extreme wings of each party, the loudest ones in the room. obviously the squad (in my estimation) have more respect from their like minded peers than the toxic twins do, but still, just because one party claims someone is the face of the other party, doesn't make it so.
ted cruz, lindsay graham, gym jordan, trump, mcconnell; for better or worse, those are the faces of the GOP.
Ted Cruz, you say?
yeah, ted cruz I say. why do you think she took a picture with him and posted it? instead of say, mike crapo?
Same reason Marge has pics of herself with Trump and speaks at Trump rallies.
Do you see any pictures of Ilhan Omar and Joe Biden (to use your example)?
nope. again, I don't view them as the same....it was just the closest example.
The leader of the Republican party is Donald Trump and he has chosen to have her speak at his rallies. She helped plan January 6th with him. That tells you all you need to know.
So, in actuality, it should be easier for Democrats to make her the face of the Republican party than it is for Repubs to do the same for members of the Squad.
disagree. trump likes to trot out people who fawn over him no matter who it is, especially someone who is willing to believe in the farce of his nonsense. the face of the party would be someone who could cross the media line instead of just blathering and shouting on fox news and newsmax.
she and boebert are great for ridiculous soundbites that late night talk shows like to laugh at....but they are far from the face of the party.
Cross the media line? So....Adam Kinzinger? lol I don't know what you mean by that. Sounds like you are saying Turmp inadvertently made her the face of the Republican party. If so, oops, that's on him. You get prime speaking slots with the President of the Untied States, you are automatically elevated in status. Democrats would be smart to exploit that from her to eternity, just like Republicans have done for decades to the far left.
I mean any face of either party becomes mainstream....she's not mainstream. she's a kook that is laughed at by moderates and lefties (if most moderates even know who she is). and probably even hard line R's that just wish she'd STFU. Trump has had a bunch of losers/weirdos speak at his rallies, anyone who peddles his lies and stroke his fragile ego....sure, it elevates them, but it doesn't automatically make you the face of the party.
maybe we just have differing opinions on what "face of the party" means. to me it means when you think of the party, the first person that comes to mind. I can't imagine she's the first person that comes to mind with many people.
yes, i agree it would benefit dems to make them the faces of the republican party, but I highly doubt it would ever stick.
This is politics, Hugh. Republicans have successfully convinced half the country that all Democrats are either communists or socialists or both---which doesn't make sense....but it doesn't have to because they just kept drilling it into people's heads over and over and over again. I know plenty of Republicans, who are rational people (or at least used to be) who now believe these things.
Making Marge the face of the Republican party is actually easier because the leaders of her party amplify her and refuse to condemn the things she says and does in any other way other than just issuing statements. Next year, there is a very decent chance she will have some kind of leadership role when/if the R's take back congress.
If you don't currently think of her as the face of the Republican party, it is because Democrats have done a poor job, thus far, of drilling it into people's heads. That is what needs to change. Because there are more and more people like her. She has a half million twitter followers, and Donald Trump is more than happy to have her speak at his rallies. If the show was on the other foot, Republicans would have already successfully made her the face of the Dems. Midterms are on the way, Democrats need to muddy up the waters and get moving on this.
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they aren't the face of the party anymore than the squad is the face of the democratic party, no matter how much fox news yells it from the rafters. they are known as the extreme wings of each party, the loudest ones in the room. obviously the squad (in my estimation) have more respect from their like minded peers than the toxic twins do, but still, just because one party claims someone is the face of the other party, doesn't make it so.
ted cruz, lindsay graham, gym jordan, trump, mcconnell; for better or worse, those are the faces of the GOP.
Ted Cruz, you say?
yeah, ted cruz I say. why do you think she took a picture with him and posted it? instead of say, mike crapo?
Same reason Marge has pics of herself with Trump and speaks at Trump rallies.
Do you see any pictures of Ilhan Omar and Joe Biden (to use your example)?
nope. again, I don't view them as the same....it was just the closest example.
The leader of the Republican party is Donald Trump and he has chosen to have her speak at his rallies. She helped plan January 6th with him. That tells you all you need to know.
So, in actuality, it should be easier for Democrats to make her the face of the Republican party than it is for Repubs to do the same for members of the Squad.
disagree. trump likes to trot out people who fawn over him no matter who it is, especially someone who is willing to believe in the farce of his nonsense. the face of the party would be someone who could cross the media line instead of just blathering and shouting on fox news and newsmax.
she and boebert are great for ridiculous soundbites that late night talk shows like to laugh at....but they are far from the face of the party.
Cross the media line? So....Adam Kinzinger? lol I don't know what you mean by that. Sounds like you are saying Turmp inadvertently made her the face of the Republican party. If so, oops, that's on him. You get prime speaking slots with the President of the Untied States, you are automatically elevated in status. Democrats would be smart to exploit that from her to eternity, just like Republicans have done for decades to the far left.
I mean any face of either party becomes mainstream....she's not mainstream. she's a kook that is laughed at by moderates and lefties (if most moderates even know who she is). and probably even hard line R's that just wish she'd STFU. Trump has had a bunch of losers/weirdos speak at his rallies, anyone who peddles his lies and stroke his fragile ego....sure, it elevates them, but it doesn't automatically make you the face of the party.
maybe we just have differing opinions on what "face of the party" means. to me it means when you think of the party, the first person that comes to mind. I can't imagine she's the first person that comes to mind with many people.
yes, i agree it would benefit dems to make them the faces of the republican party, but I highly doubt it would ever stick.
Where are the hard line Rs that wish she would STFU? Do they even exist?
I'm under the impression the GOP of 2022 enjoys having her around.
You are correct. The only Republicans whoever come out and forcefully object to her deplorable behavior are the ones who the modern Republican party has shunned, censored, primaried, and pushed out of their party. The modern Republican party is more than happy to let Marge do her thing because they do not want ruffle any feathers with Trump or his deplorable base.
they aren't the face of the party anymore than the squad is the face of the democratic party, no matter how much fox news yells it from the rafters. they are known as the extreme wings of each party, the loudest ones in the room. obviously the squad (in my estimation) have more respect from their like minded peers than the toxic twins do, but still, just because one party claims someone is the face of the other party, doesn't make it so.
ted cruz, lindsay graham, gym jordan, trump, mcconnell; for better or worse, those are the faces of the GOP.
Ted Cruz, you say?
yeah, ted cruz I say. why do you think she took a picture with him and posted it? instead of say, mike crapo?
Same reason Marge has pics of herself with Trump and speaks at Trump rallies.
Do you see any pictures of Ilhan Omar and Joe Biden (to use your example)?
nope. again, I don't view them as the same....it was just the closest example.
The leader of the Republican party is Donald Trump and he has chosen to have her speak at his rallies. She helped plan January 6th with him. That tells you all you need to know.
So, in actuality, it should be easier for Democrats to make her the face of the Republican party than it is for Repubs to do the same for members of the Squad.
disagree. trump likes to trot out people who fawn over him no matter who it is, especially someone who is willing to believe in the farce of his nonsense. the face of the party would be someone who could cross the media line instead of just blathering and shouting on fox news and newsmax.
she and boebert are great for ridiculous soundbites that late night talk shows like to laugh at....but they are far from the face of the party.
Cross the media line? So....Adam Kinzinger? lol I don't know what you mean by that. Sounds like you are saying Turmp inadvertently made her the face of the Republican party. If so, oops, that's on him. You get prime speaking slots with the President of the Untied States, you are automatically elevated in status. Democrats would be smart to exploit that from her to eternity, just like Republicans have done for decades to the far left.
I mean any face of either party becomes mainstream....she's not mainstream. she's a kook that is laughed at by moderates and lefties (if most moderates even know who she is). and probably even hard line R's that just wish she'd STFU. Trump has had a bunch of losers/weirdos speak at his rallies, anyone who peddles his lies and stroke his fragile ego....sure, it elevates them, but it doesn't automatically make you the face of the party.
maybe we just have differing opinions on what "face of the party" means. to me it means when you think of the party, the first person that comes to mind. I can't imagine she's the first person that comes to mind with many people.
yes, i agree it would benefit dems to make them the faces of the republican party, but I highly doubt it would ever stick.
Where are the hard line Rs that wish she would STFU? Do they even exist?
I'm under the impression the GOP of 2022 enjoys having her around.
they aren't the face of the party anymore than the squad is the face of the democratic party, no matter how much fox news yells it from the rafters. they are known as the extreme wings of each party, the loudest ones in the room. obviously the squad (in my estimation) have more respect from their like minded peers than the toxic twins do, but still, just because one party claims someone is the face of the other party, doesn't make it so.
ted cruz, lindsay graham, gym jordan, trump, mcconnell; for better or worse, those are the faces of the GOP.
Ted Cruz, you say?
yeah, ted cruz I say. why do you think she took a picture with him and posted it? instead of say, mike crapo?
Same reason Marge has pics of herself with Trump and speaks at Trump rallies.
Do you see any pictures of Ilhan Omar and Joe Biden (to use your example)?
nope. again, I don't view them as the same....it was just the closest example.
The leader of the Republican party is Donald Trump and he has chosen to have her speak at his rallies. She helped plan January 6th with him. That tells you all you need to know.
So, in actuality, it should be easier for Democrats to make her the face of the Republican party than it is for Repubs to do the same for members of the Squad.
disagree. trump likes to trot out people who fawn over him no matter who it is, especially someone who is willing to believe in the farce of his nonsense. the face of the party would be someone who could cross the media line instead of just blathering and shouting on fox news and newsmax.
she and boebert are great for ridiculous soundbites that late night talk shows like to laugh at....but they are far from the face of the party.
Cross the media line? So....Adam Kinzinger? lol I don't know what you mean by that. Sounds like you are saying Turmp inadvertently made her the face of the Republican party. If so, oops, that's on him. You get prime speaking slots with the President of the Untied States, you are automatically elevated in status. Democrats would be smart to exploit that from her to eternity, just like Republicans have done for decades to the far left.
I mean any face of either party becomes mainstream....she's not mainstream. she's a kook that is laughed at by moderates and lefties (if most moderates even know who she is). and probably even hard line R's that just wish she'd STFU. Trump has had a bunch of losers/weirdos speak at his rallies, anyone who peddles his lies and stroke his fragile ego....sure, it elevates them, but it doesn't automatically make you the face of the party.
maybe we just have differing opinions on what "face of the party" means. to me it means when you think of the party, the first person that comes to mind. I can't imagine she's the first person that comes to mind with many people.
yes, i agree it would benefit dems to make them the faces of the republican party, but I highly doubt it would ever stick.
Where are the hard line Rs that wish she would STFU? Do they even exist?
I'm under the impression the GOP of 2022 enjoys having her around.
Lindsey Graham at the SOTU: "oh just shut up".
Ok, there’s one.
I still maintain they are more than happy to keep her around. She’s good for the GOP bottom line of undermining our federal government.
they aren't the face of the party anymore than the squad is the face of the democratic party, no matter how much fox news yells it from the rafters. they are known as the extreme wings of each party, the loudest ones in the room. obviously the squad (in my estimation) have more respect from their like minded peers than the toxic twins do, but still, just because one party claims someone is the face of the other party, doesn't make it so.
ted cruz, lindsay graham, gym jordan, trump, mcconnell; for better or worse, those are the faces of the GOP.
Ted Cruz, you say?
yeah, ted cruz I say. why do you think she took a picture with him and posted it? instead of say, mike crapo?
Same reason Marge has pics of herself with Trump and speaks at Trump rallies.
Do you see any pictures of Ilhan Omar and Joe Biden (to use your example)?
nope. again, I don't view them as the same....it was just the closest example.
The leader of the Republican party is Donald Trump and he has chosen to have her speak at his rallies. She helped plan January 6th with him. That tells you all you need to know.
So, in actuality, it should be easier for Democrats to make her the face of the Republican party than it is for Repubs to do the same for members of the Squad.
disagree. trump likes to trot out people who fawn over him no matter who it is, especially someone who is willing to believe in the farce of his nonsense. the face of the party would be someone who could cross the media line instead of just blathering and shouting on fox news and newsmax.
she and boebert are great for ridiculous soundbites that late night talk shows like to laugh at....but they are far from the face of the party.
Cross the media line? So....Adam Kinzinger? lol I don't know what you mean by that. Sounds like you are saying Turmp inadvertently made her the face of the Republican party. If so, oops, that's on him. You get prime speaking slots with the President of the Untied States, you are automatically elevated in status. Democrats would be smart to exploit that from her to eternity, just like Republicans have done for decades to the far left.
I mean any face of either party becomes mainstream....she's not mainstream. she's a kook that is laughed at by moderates and lefties (if most moderates even know who she is). and probably even hard line R's that just wish she'd STFU. Trump has had a bunch of losers/weirdos speak at his rallies, anyone who peddles his lies and stroke his fragile ego....sure, it elevates them, but it doesn't automatically make you the face of the party.
maybe we just have differing opinions on what "face of the party" means. to me it means when you think of the party, the first person that comes to mind. I can't imagine she's the first person that comes to mind with many people.
yes, i agree it would benefit dems to make them the faces of the republican party, but I highly doubt it would ever stick.
Where are the hard line Rs that wish she would STFU? Do they even exist?
I'm under the impression the GOP of 2022 enjoys having her around.
You are correct. The only Republicans whoever come out and forcefully object to her deplorable behavior are the ones who the modern Republican party has shunned, censored, primaried, and pushed out of their party. The modern Republican party is more than happy to let Marge do her thing because they do not want ruffle any feathers with Trump or his deplorable base.
Not to mention that repub legislatures have gerrymandered their districts to make the likes of Maggie three names and Matt Getts Off very safe seats as well as make other red districts even redder. This reinforces them to be the face of the repub party. Add that repub leadership don’t condemn them and the establishment repubs are so measured and tempered in their criticism that its ineffective and a sign they’ve ceded their party to the POOTWH wing. Lindsey Flimsy Flip Flop Faloozy is and has been playing both sides of his party and has yet to condemn them and won’t.
they aren't the face of the party anymore than the squad is the face of the democratic party, no matter how much fox news yells it from the rafters. they are known as the extreme wings of each party, the loudest ones in the room. obviously the squad (in my estimation) have more respect from their like minded peers than the toxic twins do, but still, just because one party claims someone is the face of the other party, doesn't make it so.
ted cruz, lindsay graham, gym jordan, trump, mcconnell; for better or worse, those are the faces of the GOP.
Ted Cruz, you say?
yeah, ted cruz I say. why do you think she took a picture with him and posted it? instead of say, mike crapo?
Same reason Marge has pics of herself with Trump and speaks at Trump rallies.
Do you see any pictures of Ilhan Omar and Joe Biden (to use your example)?
nope. again, I don't view them as the same....it was just the closest example.
The leader of the Republican party is Donald Trump and he has chosen to have her speak at his rallies. She helped plan January 6th with him. That tells you all you need to know.
So, in actuality, it should be easier for Democrats to make her the face of the Republican party than it is for Repubs to do the same for members of the Squad.
disagree. trump likes to trot out people who fawn over him no matter who it is, especially someone who is willing to believe in the farce of his nonsense. the face of the party would be someone who could cross the media line instead of just blathering and shouting on fox news and newsmax.
she and boebert are great for ridiculous soundbites that late night talk shows like to laugh at....but they are far from the face of the party.
Cross the media line? So....Adam Kinzinger? lol I don't know what you mean by that. Sounds like you are saying Turmp inadvertently made her the face of the Republican party. If so, oops, that's on him. You get prime speaking slots with the President of the Untied States, you are automatically elevated in status. Democrats would be smart to exploit that from her to eternity, just like Republicans have done for decades to the far left.
I mean any face of either party becomes mainstream....she's not mainstream. she's a kook that is laughed at by moderates and lefties (if most moderates even know who she is). and probably even hard line R's that just wish she'd STFU. Trump has had a bunch of losers/weirdos speak at his rallies, anyone who peddles his lies and stroke his fragile ego....sure, it elevates them, but it doesn't automatically make you the face of the party.
maybe we just have differing opinions on what "face of the party" means. to me it means when you think of the party, the first person that comes to mind. I can't imagine she's the first person that comes to mind with many people.
yes, i agree it would benefit dems to make them the faces of the republican party, but I highly doubt it would ever stick.
This is politics, Hugh. Republicans have successfully convinced half the country that all Democrats are either communists or socialists or both---which doesn't make sense....but it doesn't have to because they just kept drilling it into people's heads over and over and over again. I know plenty of Republicans, who are rational people (or at least used to be) who now believe these things.
Making Marge the face of the Republican party is actually easier because the leaders of her party amplify her and refuse to condemn the things she says and does in any other way other than just issuing statements. Next year, there is a very decent chance she will have some kind of leadership role when/if the R's take back congress.
If you don't currently think of her as the face of the Republican party, it is because Democrats have done a poor job, thus far, of drilling it into people's heads. That is what needs to change. Because there are more and more people like her. She has a half million twitter followers, and Donald Trump is more than happy to have her speak at his rallies. If the show was on the other foot, Republicans would have already successfully made her the face of the Dems. Midterms are on the way, Democrats need to muddy up the waters and get moving on this.
I'm a little confused by this pivot. Yes, I know the R's are better at messaging. We've always agreed on this. Yes, I know making the toxic twins the face of the D party is, or should be, the goal. I just disagree that they've done that, or that they'll be successful at it, and then you seemingly agreed with me about that in your last paragraph after disagreeing with me on it the past 3 pages or so.
they aren't the face of the party anymore than the squad is the face of the democratic party, no matter how much fox news yells it from the rafters. they are known as the extreme wings of each party, the loudest ones in the room. obviously the squad (in my estimation) have more respect from their like minded peers than the toxic twins do, but still, just because one party claims someone is the face of the other party, doesn't make it so.
ted cruz, lindsay graham, gym jordan, trump, mcconnell; for better or worse, those are the faces of the GOP.
Ted Cruz, you say?
yeah, ted cruz I say. why do you think she took a picture with him and posted it? instead of say, mike crapo?
Same reason Marge has pics of herself with Trump and speaks at Trump rallies.
Do you see any pictures of Ilhan Omar and Joe Biden (to use your example)?
nope. again, I don't view them as the same....it was just the closest example.
The leader of the Republican party is Donald Trump and he has chosen to have her speak at his rallies. She helped plan January 6th with him. That tells you all you need to know.
So, in actuality, it should be easier for Democrats to make her the face of the Republican party than it is for Repubs to do the same for members of the Squad.
disagree. trump likes to trot out people who fawn over him no matter who it is, especially someone who is willing to believe in the farce of his nonsense. the face of the party would be someone who could cross the media line instead of just blathering and shouting on fox news and newsmax.
she and boebert are great for ridiculous soundbites that late night talk shows like to laugh at....but they are far from the face of the party.
Cross the media line? So....Adam Kinzinger? lol I don't know what you mean by that. Sounds like you are saying Turmp inadvertently made her the face of the Republican party. If so, oops, that's on him. You get prime speaking slots with the President of the Untied States, you are automatically elevated in status. Democrats would be smart to exploit that from her to eternity, just like Republicans have done for decades to the far left.
I mean any face of either party becomes mainstream....she's not mainstream. she's a kook that is laughed at by moderates and lefties (if most moderates even know who she is). and probably even hard line R's that just wish she'd STFU. Trump has had a bunch of losers/weirdos speak at his rallies, anyone who peddles his lies and stroke his fragile ego....sure, it elevates them, but it doesn't automatically make you the face of the party.
maybe we just have differing opinions on what "face of the party" means. to me it means when you think of the party, the first person that comes to mind. I can't imagine she's the first person that comes to mind with many people.
yes, i agree it would benefit dems to make them the faces of the republican party, but I highly doubt it would ever stick.
Where are the hard line Rs that wish she would STFU? Do they even exist?
I'm under the impression the GOP of 2022 enjoys having her around.
Lindsey Graham at the SOTU: "oh just shut up".
Barr said today he would basically vote for any republican because the biggest threat to america is the progressive democrat agenda. I'm pretty sure that is the mainstream Republican party these days.
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they aren't the face of the party anymore than the squad is the face of the democratic party, no matter how much fox news yells it from the rafters. they are known as the extreme wings of each party, the loudest ones in the room. obviously the squad (in my estimation) have more respect from their like minded peers than the toxic twins do, but still, just because one party claims someone is the face of the other party, doesn't make it so.
ted cruz, lindsay graham, gym jordan, trump, mcconnell; for better or worse, those are the faces of the GOP.
Ted Cruz, you say?
yeah, ted cruz I say. why do you think she took a picture with him and posted it? instead of say, mike crapo?
Same reason Marge has pics of herself with Trump and speaks at Trump rallies.
Do you see any pictures of Ilhan Omar and Joe Biden (to use your example)?
nope. again, I don't view them as the same....it was just the closest example.
The leader of the Republican party is Donald Trump and he has chosen to have her speak at his rallies. She helped plan January 6th with him. That tells you all you need to know.
So, in actuality, it should be easier for Democrats to make her the face of the Republican party than it is for Repubs to do the same for members of the Squad.
disagree. trump likes to trot out people who fawn over him no matter who it is, especially someone who is willing to believe in the farce of his nonsense. the face of the party would be someone who could cross the media line instead of just blathering and shouting on fox news and newsmax.
she and boebert are great for ridiculous soundbites that late night talk shows like to laugh at....but they are far from the face of the party.
Cross the media line? So....Adam Kinzinger? lol I don't know what you mean by that. Sounds like you are saying Turmp inadvertently made her the face of the Republican party. If so, oops, that's on him. You get prime speaking slots with the President of the Untied States, you are automatically elevated in status. Democrats would be smart to exploit that from her to eternity, just like Republicans have done for decades to the far left.
I mean any face of either party becomes mainstream....she's not mainstream. she's a kook that is laughed at by moderates and lefties (if most moderates even know who she is). and probably even hard line R's that just wish she'd STFU. Trump has had a bunch of losers/weirdos speak at his rallies, anyone who peddles his lies and stroke his fragile ego....sure, it elevates them, but it doesn't automatically make you the face of the party.
maybe we just have differing opinions on what "face of the party" means. to me it means when you think of the party, the first person that comes to mind. I can't imagine she's the first person that comes to mind with many people.
yes, i agree it would benefit dems to make them the faces of the republican party, but I highly doubt it would ever stick.
This is politics, Hugh. Republicans have successfully convinced half the country that all Democrats are either communists or socialists or both---which doesn't make sense....but it doesn't have to because they just kept drilling it into people's heads over and over and over again. I know plenty of Republicans, who are rational people (or at least used to be) who now believe these things.
Making Marge the face of the Republican party is actually easier because the leaders of her party amplify her and refuse to condemn the things she says and does in any other way other than just issuing statements. Next year, there is a very decent chance she will have some kind of leadership role when/if the R's take back congress.
If you don't currently think of her as the face of the Republican party, it is because Democrats have done a poor job, thus far, of drilling it into people's heads. That is what needs to change. Because there are more and more people like her. She has a half million twitter followers, and Donald Trump is more than happy to have her speak at his rallies. If the show was on the other foot, Republicans would have already successfully made her the face of the Dems. Midterms are on the way, Democrats need to muddy up the waters and get moving on this.
I'm a little confused by this pivot. Yes, I know the R's are better at messaging. We've always agreed on this. Yes, I know making the toxic twins the face of the D party is, or should be, the goal. I just disagree that they've done that, or that they'll be successful at it, and then you seemingly agreed with me about that in your last paragraph after disagreeing with me on it the past 3 pages or so.
maybe best to move on....
What? They're the face of the party and the dems need to drill that in people's heads over and over again. How is that a pivot? I've literally been saying that since they came into office last year. Read the article I posted the other day. It probably explains it better than I can.
they aren't the face of the party anymore than the squad is the face of the democratic party, no matter how much fox news yells it from the rafters. they are known as the extreme wings of each party, the loudest ones in the room. obviously the squad (in my estimation) have more respect from their like minded peers than the toxic twins do, but still, just because one party claims someone is the face of the other party, doesn't make it so.
ted cruz, lindsay graham, gym jordan, trump, mcconnell; for better or worse, those are the faces of the GOP.
Ted Cruz, you say?
yeah, ted cruz I say. why do you think she took a picture with him and posted it? instead of say, mike crapo?
Same reason Marge has pics of herself with Trump and speaks at Trump rallies.
Do you see any pictures of Ilhan Omar and Joe Biden (to use your example)?
nope. again, I don't view them as the same....it was just the closest example.
The leader of the Republican party is Donald Trump and he has chosen to have her speak at his rallies. She helped plan January 6th with him. That tells you all you need to know.
So, in actuality, it should be easier for Democrats to make her the face of the Republican party than it is for Repubs to do the same for members of the Squad.
disagree. trump likes to trot out people who fawn over him no matter who it is, especially someone who is willing to believe in the farce of his nonsense. the face of the party would be someone who could cross the media line instead of just blathering and shouting on fox news and newsmax.
she and boebert are great for ridiculous soundbites that late night talk shows like to laugh at....but they are far from the face of the party.
Cross the media line? So....Adam Kinzinger? lol I don't know what you mean by that. Sounds like you are saying Turmp inadvertently made her the face of the Republican party. If so, oops, that's on him. You get prime speaking slots with the President of the Untied States, you are automatically elevated in status. Democrats would be smart to exploit that from her to eternity, just like Republicans have done for decades to the far left.
I mean any face of either party becomes mainstream....she's not mainstream. she's a kook that is laughed at by moderates and lefties (if most moderates even know who she is). and probably even hard line R's that just wish she'd STFU. Trump has had a bunch of losers/weirdos speak at his rallies, anyone who peddles his lies and stroke his fragile ego....sure, it elevates them, but it doesn't automatically make you the face of the party.
maybe we just have differing opinions on what "face of the party" means. to me it means when you think of the party, the first person that comes to mind. I can't imagine she's the first person that comes to mind with many people.
yes, i agree it would benefit dems to make them the faces of the republican party, but I highly doubt it would ever stick.
Where are the hard line Rs that wish she would STFU? Do they even exist?
I'm under the impression the GOP of 2022 enjoys having her around.
Lindsey Graham at the SOTU: "oh just shut up".
Barr said today he would basically vote for any republican because the biggest threat to america is the progressive democrat agenda. I'm pretty sure that is the mainstream Republican party these days.
yeah, I was surprised by that.
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This could potentially be huge. The Dems have finally fought fire with fire regarding gerrymandering. Maybe they can get some Repubs on board with changing the system after this. Hahahaha
Well, if they're not the face of the party now, and I believe they are, they will be soon. Good luck. Deplorable.
Republican leaders face threat of revived Freedom Caucus in GOP-led House
Former President Donald Trump's most loyal allies in Congress have been relegated to the political wilderness for the past few years. Now they're plotting their comeback.
With the growing likelihood that Republicans will take over the House after elections this fall -- and the prospect of Trump running for president again in 2024 -- members of the Trump-loving House Freedom Caucus are preparing to flex their muscles in the next era. Under the new leadership of Rep. Scott Perry of Pennsylvania, the group is hoping to use its hardline tactics, connections to Trump and friendlier relationship with GOP leadership to bend their party to their will and put their MAGA-like stamp on the conference.
Among the top items on their wish list: They want more of their members in positions of authority under a GOP-led House. One Freedom Caucus co-founder and Trump acolyte, Rep. Jim Jordan of Ohio, is already in line to wield the coveted House Judiciary Committee gavel -- and all the subpoena power that comes with it.
"We're going to be pushing for a fair process; we're going to be pushing for more participation. Freedom Caucus members don't seem to have much of a place in a lot of the larger decision-making," said Perry, a staunch Trump ally who has come under scrutiny for trying to overturn the 2020 election on January 6, 2021. "There's no Freedom Caucus member on the Select Committee on Intelligence. Seems to be that there should be a Freedom Caucus member on that."
But the prospect of a bigger and more emboldened House Freedom Caucus means some of the group's loudest MAGA firebrands, such as Reps. Marjorie Taylor Greene of Georgia, Lauren Boebert of Colorado, Madison Cawthorn of North Carolina and Paul Gosar of Arizona, will also be elevated. And that could pose a potential governing challenge for Republican leaders, who have so far struggled to rein in the GOP's fringe elements.
The party's most prominent provocateurs have even earned a private new nickname from some of their colleagues: "the trending caucus." That's because on any given day, it seems this extremist crew is making headlines -- and creating headaches for GOP leadership -- with their behavior. Last week alone, they drew unwanted attention to their party for heckling President Joe Biden during his State of the Union address, attending a conference organized by a known White nationalist and being the lone "no" votes on measures to make lynching a federal hate crime and to express support for Ukraine amid its war with Russia.
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By not condemning their deplorable behavior and having Trump endorse them have them letting them speak at his events makes it quite easy for folks to label them as the face of that party.
yeah, of course it's shady. but it obviously works.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/03/us/politics/boebert-greene-republicans.html
In Greene and Boebert, Democrats See a Helpful Political Target
By Jonathan Weisman
WASHINGTON — Representatives Marjorie Taylor Greene and Lauren Boebert are two backbench freshmen in the House minority, powerless in the official hierarchy and unlikely to gain much power even in a likely Republican majority next year.
But their antics, violations of decorum and association with white nationalists have elevated their profile far beyond their positions, and Democratic operatives are determined to make them the face of the Republican Party in the looming election season.
The two are not the only Republicans bringing unwanted attention to the party, and some of the division in the party’s ranks is being amplified by internal disputes, not by Democrats. Senator Rick Scott of Florida, the chairman of the Senate Republicans’ campaign arm, earned a public rebuke this week from Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, the Republican leader, for putting out a campaign manifesto that called for raising taxes on the poor and cutting Social Security.
On Wednesday, a little-known Republican, Representative Van Taylor of Texas, abruptly dropped his re-election bid after operatives on the party’s right flank — angered by his vote to create a bipartisan commission to examine the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the Capitol — revealed pornographic text messages that he had sent to a paramour.
But it is the faces of Ms. Boebert of Colorado and Ms. Greene of Georgia that are splashing across social media, political videos and advertising, after they both stood and heckled President Biden during his State of the Union address on Tuesday. Ms. Boebert shouted at the president just as he was referring to the death of his son Beau Biden.
Not since President Donald J. Trump used racially charged language in 2019 to castigate the liberal women of color in “the Squad” have freshmen House members received quite so much attention. Representative Ilhan Omar, Democrat of Minnesota and Mr. Trump’s favorite Squad target, said there were big differences.For one, Ms. Boebert and Ms. Greene intentionally provoke responses to stay front and center, she said, while she and Representatives Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez of New York, Ayanna Pressley of Massachusetts and Rashida Tlaib of Michigan were more often sought out by critics.
On Monday, Ms. Greene was publicly rebuked by the House Republican leader, Representative Kevin McCarthy of California, over her appearance at a far-right conference with ties to white supremacy. The next day, she and Ms. Boebert heckled Mr. Biden and tried unsuccessfully to strike up a chant of “build the wall” during his State of the Union address.
And while Democrats routinely condemn their own for statements they consider out of the mainstream, Republicans rarely do, instead providing Ms. Greene, Ms. Boebert and others on the far right with platforms to broadcast their messages, such as the recent Conservative Political Action Conference in Florida.
“With us, the opinion pieces by Democratic pundits are already prewritten, and there’s a lot of scolding that happens within the caucus,” Ms. Omar said. “That’s not what happens with their party.”
Mr. McCarthy did say that Ms. Greene’s appearance last week at the far-right conference was “appalling and wrong,” promising to have a talk with her, but that does not compare to the criticism that rained down on Ms. Omar when she used an antisemitic trope to suggest that support for Israel was driven by money. Mr. McCarthy has also said Ms. Greene will be given back the committee assignments that Democrats stripped from her if Republicans control the House next year.
Speaker Nancy Pelosi, at her weekly news conference on Thursday, repeated perhaps the only criticism that a Republican leveled at Ms. Boebert and Ms. Greene after their heckling at the State of the Union.
“Let me just say this,” Ms. Pelosi said. “I agree with what Senator Lindsey Graham said: ‘Shut up.’”
Republican leaders have an easier political task than Democrats as they seek to keep voters focused on what they are seeing in their daily lives, such as inflation, soaring energy prices and ongoing frustrations with the coronavirus pandemic.
“Democrats don’t have a clue what moves voters and are desperately trying to distract from their record of higher prices, soaring crime and a crisis along our southern border,” said Michael McAdams, the communications director for the National Republican Congressional Committee.
Ms. Boebert’s staff did not respond to requests for comment, and Ms. Greene declined to speak to The New York Times. But she has remained defiant in the face of criticism. In December, she told the former Trump adviser Stephen K. Bannon, “We are not the fringe; we are the base of the party.”
For that reason alone, Democratic operatives say they have every right to elevate the visibility of Ms. Greene and Ms. Boebert and tie them to other Republicans who have refrained from criticizing them even as they have castigated the two Republicans serving on the committee investigating the 2021 attack on the Capitol, Representatives Liz Cheney of Wyoming and Adam Kinzinger of Illinois.
Representative Sean Patrick Maloney of New York, the chairman of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, said the House Democrats’ campaign arm had not decided how central to make the two lawmakers in the coming campaign season.
The committee is “making investments where they do the most good,” he said. “If that means making them the face of the party, we will do it. If it means ignoring them, we will do it, because the point is to win the House, not to win an argument.”
“But,” he added, “their actions are disgraceful, from attending white supremacy conferences to yelling at the president when he’s talking about his fallen son.”
Democratic allies are not so reticent. Jon Soltz, the chairman and co-founder of VoteVets, a liberal veterans organization, said the group was testing messages with voters to tie incumbent House Republicans in districts that lean Democratic to far-right figures in the Republican Party.
The attack might not work in conservative-leaning districts, he said, but it could against Republicans whose seats emerged from redistricting as more Democratic, such as Representative Nicole Malliotakis’s in New York and Representative Mike Garcia’s in Southern California.
“There’s some rather crazy rhetoric that comes out of their mouths, and behavior like you saw from them at the State of the Union,” Mr. Soltz said. “There are a lot of independents in suburban districts that might have leaned to Biden by five or six points, but Democrats now have to go get those voters back.”
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Another Democratic political operation, American Bridge, is tying Ms. Greene to Herschel Walker, the former University of Georgia football star recruited by Mr. Trump to challenge Senator Raphael Warnock, Democrat of Georgia, this fall.
Jessica Floyd, the president of American Bridge, said on Thursday that the group’s efforts were crafted to make the midterm elections a choice between what she called a Republican Party of extremists against a Democratic Party focused on the economy and governance — not a referendum on Mr. Biden, whose approval ratings are dangerously low.
Voters “know and don’t like the sort of extreme positions that Marjorie Taylor Greene and Lauren Boebert embody,” she said.
She added, “That’s an opportunity for Democrats, and I think that we should seize on it.”
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ted cruz, lindsay graham, gym jordan, trump, mcconnell; for better or worse, those are the faces of the GOP.
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Ah, but are the democrats smart? Ah, well, we shall see.
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Do you see any pictures of Ilhan Omar and Joe Biden (to use your example)?
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So, in actuality, it should be easier for Democrats to make her the face of the Republican party than it is for Repubs to do the same for members of the Squad.
she and boebert are great for ridiculous soundbites that late night talk shows like to laugh at....but they are far from the face of the party.
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maybe we just have differing opinions on what "face of the party" means. to me it means when you think of the party, the first person that comes to mind. I can't imagine she's the first person that comes to mind with many people.
yes, i agree it would benefit dems to make them the faces of the republican party, but I highly doubt it would ever stick.
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I'm under the impression the GOP of 2022 enjoys having her around.
Making Marge the face of the Republican party is actually easier because the leaders of her party amplify her and refuse to condemn the things she says and does in any other way other than just issuing statements. Next year, there is a very decent chance she will have some kind of leadership role when/if the R's take back congress.
If you don't currently think of her as the face of the Republican party, it is because Democrats have done a poor job, thus far, of drilling it into people's heads. That is what needs to change. Because there are more and more people like her. She has a half million twitter followers, and Donald Trump is more than happy to have her speak at his rallies. If the show was on the other foot, Republicans would have already successfully made her the face of the Dems. Midterms are on the way, Democrats need to muddy up the waters and get moving on this.
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Damn right they’re the face of the party.
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Republican leaders face threat of revived Freedom Caucus in GOP-led House
Former President Donald Trump's most loyal allies in Congress have been relegated to the political wilderness for the past few years. Now they're plotting their comeback.
The party's most prominent provocateurs have even earned a private new nickname from some of their colleagues: "the trending caucus." That's because on any given day, it seems this extremist crew is making headlines -- and creating headaches for GOP leadership -- with their behavior. Last week alone, they drew unwanted attention to their party for heckling President Joe Biden during his State of the Union address, attending a conference organized by a known White nationalist and being the lone "no" votes on measures to make lynching a federal hate crime and to express support for Ukraine amid its war with Russia.
Republican leaders face threat of revived Freedom Caucus in GOP-led House - CNNPolitics
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