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Is this pre-sale still open?There's no need to say goodbye0
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P34RL J4MM3R said:Is this pre-sale still open?0
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Lost In Ohio said:steveddievedder said:Lost In Ohio said:It's a bit of a dickbag move, but...I wonder how many people buy two, knowing that they can recoup the shipping costs by flipping the second vault.
Maybe that's the wrong term, but there's something weird about "Let me flip a pressed-to-order item to a non-member when there's absolutely nothing stopping that non-member from joining."
Like who would pay $250 for an item when they can buy that same item for far less PLUS buy a membership? Is your relationship with the band that weird that you want to pay a flipper more than what it would take for you to join 10C? Is it some sort of "stick it to the band because I got hosed on too many mystery boxes?"
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Spiritual_Chaos said:Santos L. Halper said:Hawk123 said:Does the presale end this week? is that why there is such an urgency to fix the shipping?
We are still in the middle of a pandemic, please keep this in mind when we don't respond right away.
Back to my stacked zoom meetings.
slh
I doubt your stacked zoom meeting can be that stacked, can they?
So let me repost this - three months later but still being, by my perception, very much true:
A: It still took your organisation a full week (7 days) to offer any form of communication (added in jan 2021: NOW THREE (3) MONTHS OF SILENCE) (and that communication being your post above), following a major confusing fuck up in your newsletter. I fail to see how communicating would be removed for a full week (7 day) because of the pandemic, coming from an org myself sending out newsletters and keeping in contact with costumers. The infrastructure to reach out to us (the fanbase) is all digital and a login away, so I fail to see how a pandemic or some people "taking a few days off" would stop one (1) with the authority (let's use you as an example) to take one minute or less, to communicate when knowing complete confusion exist. Whether you were sitting at home or not. I would imagine you have a smartphone, or a computer with the information needed to login to the places you need to login. And I have a hard time seeing that this problem would not have entered your radar (and/or someone else having the login for Pearl Jams SoMe channels and/or here), a lot earlier than 7 days post the newsletter. But please, tell me wrong?
The confusion surrounding this appeared moments after the Newsletters was sent out. I fail to see how your organisation would not know about the fuck up at once on Saturday (that would be seven (7) days of choosing to keep fans completely in the dark) -- or are you telling us it took seven days for you to even find out about the issue because your "full CS team" or anyone being able to log on here, went completely off the grid from the newsletter going out and for seven days following? That would be quite the coincidence, wouldn't it?
But also:
B: This is not an isolated incident, but coming off a string of past occurrences of your organisation showing an, according to most fans I talk to (off the forum, I know many fans doesn't feel confident speaking up concerning this fanclub - which also is a culture that isn't healthy and should not be hand-waived away), systemic lack of communication. Whether that is coming from a lack of skill within your organisation or some strategy of keeping the fanbase time and time again in the dark, I do not know, but it doesn't take away from the fact shown by history to exist. How do you, yourself think e.g. the communication surrounding the last two fanclub singles went (or is going rather, in that never ending saga)?
So, it's hard to give the benefit of the doubt here that communication would have been quicker, more transparent and less reluctant if there would not have been this pandemic -- this pandemic seemingly stopping one (1) of you to log in on twitter, or facebook or on here and say something.
It doesn't really come off as plausible to me (as stated, also working with communication, newsletters and customers and bringing this question up with some colleagues). Are you able to see this point of view @Santos L. Halper and/or @Rubysdad ?
I dpon't think you can blame the pandemic or your CS team taking "a few days off" anymore for staying silent for four (4) months? Can you @Santos L. Halper ?
So let me repost this - Four months later but still being, by my perception, very much true:
A: It still took your organisation a full week (7 days) to offer any form of communication (added in feb 2021: NOW FOUR (4) MONTHS OF SILENCE) (and that communication being your post above), following a major confusing fuck up in your newsletter. I fail to see how communicating would be removed for a full week (7 day) because of the pandemic, coming from an org myself sending out newsletters and keeping in contact with costumers. The infrastructure to reach out to us (the fanbase) is all digital and a login away, so I fail to see how a pandemic or some people "taking a few days off" would stop one (1) with the authority (let's use you as an example) to take one minute or less, to communicate when knowing complete confusion exist. Whether you were sitting at home or not. I would imagine you have a smartphone, or a computer with the information needed to login to the places you need to login. And I have a hard time seeing that this problem would not have entered your radar (and/or someone else having the login for Pearl Jams SoMe channels and/or here), a lot earlier than 7 days post the newsletter. But please, tell me how I am wrong?
The confusion surrounding this appeared moments after the Newsletters was sent out. I fail to see how your organisation would not know about the fuck up at once on Saturday (that would be seven (7) days of choosing to keep fans completely in the dark) -- or are you telling us it took seven days for you to even find out about the issue because your "full CS team" or anyone being able to log on here, went completely off the grid from the newsletter going out and for seven days following? That would be quite the coincidence, wouldn't it?
But also:
B: This is not an isolated incident, but coming off a string of past occurrences of your organisation showing an, according to most fans I talk to (off the forum, I know many fans doesn't feel confident speaking up concerning this fanclub - which also is a culture that isn't healthy and should not be hand-waived away), systemic lack of communication. Whether that is coming from a lack of skill within your organisation or some strategy of keeping the fanbase time and time again in the dark, I do not know, but it doesn't take away from the fact shown by history to exist. How do you, yourself think e.g. the communication surrounding the last two fanclub singles went (or is going rather, in that never ending saga)?
So, it's hard to give the benefit of the doubt here that communication would have been quicker, more transparent and less reluctant if there would not have been this pandemic -- this pandemic seemingly stopping one (1) of you to log in on twitter, or facebook or on here and say something.
It doesn't really come off as plausible to me (as stated, also working with communication, newsletters and customers and bringing this question up with some colleagues). Are you able to see this point of view @Santos L. Halper and/or @Rubysdad ?
Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
Also, @Sea is never late saying "we are very big on respect on here" - then if the tables were turned and your were on the "receiving end" and not the one choosing to completely 100% not communicate for four (4) months after saying "we need a few days" @Santos L. Halper then would you consider that to be respectful?
Honest question.
Hold yourself to the same standard you hold others. Do to other as you would have them do to you. And all that.Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
Haven’t we learned from the singles that prepaid items are much less likely to get shipped in a timely fashion?
In reality it usually takes about 6 months if I remember right. They used to preorder in the summer and ship in December or January. Having the preorder in October I didn’t expect these until March or April.
Without going my back multiple pages, it looks like the frustration is lack of communication about the euro store? I don’t see how a pandemic would delay any response. Didn’t they say they’re stuck in zoom meetings all day? So you’re at a computer all day then? So what’s the hold up with some updates? People respond faster during a pandemic because their not out and about.0 -
Spiritual_Chaos said:Spiritual_Chaos said:Santos L. Halper said:Hawk123 said:Does the presale end this week? is that why there is such an urgency to fix the shipping?
We are still in the middle of a pandemic, please keep this in mind when we don't respond right away.
Back to my stacked zoom meetings.
slh
I doubt your stacked zoom meeting can be that stacked, can they?
So let me repost this - three months later but still being, by my perception, very much true:
A: It still took your organisation a full week (7 days) to offer any form of communication (added in jan 2021: NOW THREE (3) MONTHS OF SILENCE) (and that communication being your post above), following a major confusing fuck up in your newsletter. I fail to see how communicating would be removed for a full week (7 day) because of the pandemic, coming from an org myself sending out newsletters and keeping in contact with costumers. The infrastructure to reach out to us (the fanbase) is all digital and a login away, so I fail to see how a pandemic or some people "taking a few days off" would stop one (1) with the authority (let's use you as an example) to take one minute or less, to communicate when knowing complete confusion exist. Whether you were sitting at home or not. I would imagine you have a smartphone, or a computer with the information needed to login to the places you need to login. And I have a hard time seeing that this problem would not have entered your radar (and/or someone else having the login for Pearl Jams SoMe channels and/or here), a lot earlier than 7 days post the newsletter. But please, tell me wrong?
The confusion surrounding this appeared moments after the Newsletters was sent out. I fail to see how your organisation would not know about the fuck up at once on Saturday (that would be seven (7) days of choosing to keep fans completely in the dark) -- or are you telling us it took seven days for you to even find out about the issue because your "full CS team" or anyone being able to log on here, went completely off the grid from the newsletter going out and for seven days following? That would be quite the coincidence, wouldn't it?
But also:
B: This is not an isolated incident, but coming off a string of past occurrences of your organisation showing an, according to most fans I talk to (off the forum, I know many fans doesn't feel confident speaking up concerning this fanclub - which also is a culture that isn't healthy and should not be hand-waived away), systemic lack of communication. Whether that is coming from a lack of skill within your organisation or some strategy of keeping the fanbase time and time again in the dark, I do not know, but it doesn't take away from the fact shown by history to exist. How do you, yourself think e.g. the communication surrounding the last two fanclub singles went (or is going rather, in that never ending saga)?
So, it's hard to give the benefit of the doubt here that communication would have been quicker, more transparent and less reluctant if there would not have been this pandemic -- this pandemic seemingly stopping one (1) of you to log in on twitter, or facebook or on here and say something.
It doesn't really come off as plausible to me (as stated, also working with communication, newsletters and customers and bringing this question up with some colleagues). Are you able to see this point of view @Santos L. Halper and/or @Rubysdad ?
I dpon't think you can blame the pandemic or your CS team taking "a few days off" anymore for staying silent for four (4) months? Can you @Santos L. Halper ?
So let me repost this - Four months later but still being, by my perception, very much true:
A: It still took your organisation a full week (7 days) to offer any form of communication (added in feb 2021: NOW FOUR (4) MONTHS OF SILENCE) (and that communication being your post above), following a major confusing fuck up in your newsletter. I fail to see how communicating would be removed for a full week (7 day) because of the pandemic, coming from an org myself sending out newsletters and keeping in contact with costumers. The infrastructure to reach out to us (the fanbase) is all digital and a login away, so I fail to see how a pandemic or some people "taking a few days off" would stop one (1) with the authority (let's use you as an example) to take one minute or less, to communicate when knowing complete confusion exist. Whether you were sitting at home or not. I would imagine you have a smartphone, or a computer with the information needed to login to the places you need to login. And I have a hard time seeing that this problem would not have entered your radar (and/or someone else having the login for Pearl Jams SoMe channels and/or here), a lot earlier than 7 days post the newsletter. But please, tell me how I am wrong?
The confusion surrounding this appeared moments after the Newsletters was sent out. I fail to see how your organisation would not know about the fuck up at once on Saturday (that would be seven (7) days of choosing to keep fans completely in the dark) -- or are you telling us it took seven days for you to even find out about the issue because your "full CS team" or anyone being able to log on here, went completely off the grid from the newsletter going out and for seven days following? That would be quite the coincidence, wouldn't it?
But also:
B: This is not an isolated incident, but coming off a string of past occurrences of your organisation showing an, according to most fans I talk to (off the forum, I know many fans doesn't feel confident speaking up concerning this fanclub - which also is a culture that isn't healthy and should not be hand-waived away), systemic lack of communication. Whether that is coming from a lack of skill within your organisation or some strategy of keeping the fanbase time and time again in the dark, I do not know, but it doesn't take away from the fact shown by history to exist. How do you, yourself think e.g. the communication surrounding the last two fanclub singles went (or is going rather, in that never ending saga)?
So, it's hard to give the benefit of the doubt here that communication would have been quicker, more transparent and less reluctant if there would not have been this pandemic -- this pandemic seemingly stopping one (1) of you to log in on twitter, or facebook or on here and say something.
It doesn't really come off as plausible to me (as stated, also working with communication, newsletters and customers and bringing this question up with some colleagues). Are you able to see this point of view @Santos L. Halper and/or @Rubysdad ?
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on2legs said:Spiritual_Chaos said:Spiritual_Chaos said:Santos L. Halper said:Hawk123 said:Does the presale end this week? is that why there is such an urgency to fix the shipping?
We are still in the middle of a pandemic, please keep this in mind when we don't respond right away.
Back to my stacked zoom meetings.
slh
I doubt your stacked zoom meeting can be that stacked, can they?
So let me repost this - three months later but still being, by my perception, very much true:
A: It still took your organisation a full week (7 days) to offer any form of communication (added in jan 2021: NOW THREE (3) MONTHS OF SILENCE) (and that communication being your post above), following a major confusing fuck up in your newsletter. I fail to see how communicating would be removed for a full week (7 day) because of the pandemic, coming from an org myself sending out newsletters and keeping in contact with costumers. The infrastructure to reach out to us (the fanbase) is all digital and a login away, so I fail to see how a pandemic or some people "taking a few days off" would stop one (1) with the authority (let's use you as an example) to take one minute or less, to communicate when knowing complete confusion exist. Whether you were sitting at home or not. I would imagine you have a smartphone, or a computer with the information needed to login to the places you need to login. And I have a hard time seeing that this problem would not have entered your radar (and/or someone else having the login for Pearl Jams SoMe channels and/or here), a lot earlier than 7 days post the newsletter. But please, tell me wrong?
The confusion surrounding this appeared moments after the Newsletters was sent out. I fail to see how your organisation would not know about the fuck up at once on Saturday (that would be seven (7) days of choosing to keep fans completely in the dark) -- or are you telling us it took seven days for you to even find out about the issue because your "full CS team" or anyone being able to log on here, went completely off the grid from the newsletter going out and for seven days following? That would be quite the coincidence, wouldn't it?
But also:
B: This is not an isolated incident, but coming off a string of past occurrences of your organisation showing an, according to most fans I talk to (off the forum, I know many fans doesn't feel confident speaking up concerning this fanclub - which also is a culture that isn't healthy and should not be hand-waived away), systemic lack of communication. Whether that is coming from a lack of skill within your organisation or some strategy of keeping the fanbase time and time again in the dark, I do not know, but it doesn't take away from the fact shown by history to exist. How do you, yourself think e.g. the communication surrounding the last two fanclub singles went (or is going rather, in that never ending saga)?
So, it's hard to give the benefit of the doubt here that communication would have been quicker, more transparent and less reluctant if there would not have been this pandemic -- this pandemic seemingly stopping one (1) of you to log in on twitter, or facebook or on here and say something.
It doesn't really come off as plausible to me (as stated, also working with communication, newsletters and customers and bringing this question up with some colleagues). Are you able to see this point of view @Santos L. Halper and/or @Rubysdad ?
I dpon't think you can blame the pandemic or your CS team taking "a few days off" anymore for staying silent for four (4) months? Can you @Santos L. Halper ?
So let me repost this - Four months later but still being, by my perception, very much true:
A: It still took your organisation a full week (7 days) to offer any form of communication (added in feb 2021: NOW FOUR (4) MONTHS OF SILENCE) (and that communication being your post above), following a major confusing fuck up in your newsletter. I fail to see how communicating would be removed for a full week (7 day) because of the pandemic, coming from an org myself sending out newsletters and keeping in contact with costumers. The infrastructure to reach out to us (the fanbase) is all digital and a login away, so I fail to see how a pandemic or some people "taking a few days off" would stop one (1) with the authority (let's use you as an example) to take one minute or less, to communicate when knowing complete confusion exist. Whether you were sitting at home or not. I would imagine you have a smartphone, or a computer with the information needed to login to the places you need to login. And I have a hard time seeing that this problem would not have entered your radar (and/or someone else having the login for Pearl Jams SoMe channels and/or here), a lot earlier than 7 days post the newsletter. But please, tell me how I am wrong?
The confusion surrounding this appeared moments after the Newsletters was sent out. I fail to see how your organisation would not know about the fuck up at once on Saturday (that would be seven (7) days of choosing to keep fans completely in the dark) -- or are you telling us it took seven days for you to even find out about the issue because your "full CS team" or anyone being able to log on here, went completely off the grid from the newsletter going out and for seven days following? That would be quite the coincidence, wouldn't it?
But also:
B: This is not an isolated incident, but coming off a string of past occurrences of your organisation showing an, according to most fans I talk to (off the forum, I know many fans doesn't feel confident speaking up concerning this fanclub - which also is a culture that isn't healthy and should not be hand-waived away), systemic lack of communication. Whether that is coming from a lack of skill within your organisation or some strategy of keeping the fanbase time and time again in the dark, I do not know, but it doesn't take away from the fact shown by history to exist. How do you, yourself think e.g. the communication surrounding the last two fanclub singles went (or is going rather, in that never ending saga)?
So, it's hard to give the benefit of the doubt here that communication would have been quicker, more transparent and less reluctant if there would not have been this pandemic -- this pandemic seemingly stopping one (1) of you to log in on twitter, or facebook or on here and say something.
It doesn't really come off as plausible to me (as stated, also working with communication, newsletters and customers and bringing this question up with some colleagues). Are you able to see this point of view @Santos L. Halper and/or @Rubysdad ?
but at the same time you can never point to anything being factually wrong with what I say or point out.
Interesting.
Says something."Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
Are they shipping the vinyls already? Mine haven’t0
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Any word when the CD & digital downloads remixes will be available for pre order?Post edited by demetrios on0
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Hi, any news about the CD. Still not in shop...I've tried to contact the support right now...
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DV170178 said:Hi, any news about the CD. Still not in shop...I've tried to contact the support right now...The remix Vault audio CD is available over @ https://shop.pearljam.com/products/moline-10172014-bootleg-cd?_pos=1&_sid=b3c6c5c35&_ss=r. Just doesn't have the Vault cover design.
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demetrios said:DV170178 said:Hi, any news about the CD. Still not in shop...I've tried to contact the support right now...The remix Vault audio CD is available over @ https://shop.pearljam.com/products/moline-10172014-bootleg-cd?_pos=1&_sid=b3c6c5c35&_ss=r. Just doesn't have the Vault cover design.0
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MedozK said:demetrios said:DV170178 said:Hi, any news about the CD. Still not in shop...I've tried to contact the support right now...The remix Vault audio CD is available over @ https://shop.pearljam.com/products/moline-10172014-bootleg-cd?_pos=1&_sid=b3c6c5c35&_ss=r. Just doesn't have the Vault cover design.
Me too. I wonder if they will do a new cover design for Vault 1 CD now.0 -
demetrios said:MedozK said:demetrios said:DV170178 said:Hi, any news about the CD. Still not in shop...I've tried to contact the support right now...The remix Vault audio CD is available over @ https://shop.pearljam.com/products/moline-10172014-bootleg-cd?_pos=1&_sid=b3c6c5c35&_ss=r. Just doesn't have the Vault cover design.
Me too. I wonder if they will do a new cover design for Vault 1 CD now.0 -
demetrios said:DV170178 said:Hi, any news about the CD. Still not in shop...I've tried to contact the support right now...The remix Vault audio CD is available over @ https://shop.pearljam.com/products/moline-10172014-bootleg-cd?_pos=1&_sid=b3c6c5c35&_ss=r. Just doesn't have the Vault cover design.
I didn't know it was exactly the same vault vinyl remix. Many thanks! Still waiting an answer from the 10c support...
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Hi, find out they are not exactly the same:CD
Mastered By – Rick Fisher
Mixed By – Brett Eliason
Vinyl
Mastered By – Ed Brooks, Levi Seitz
Mixed By – Josh EvansThis is according to what is printed on Cd and vinyl...
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DV170178 said:Hi, find out they are not exactly the same:CD
Mastered By – Rick Fisher
Mixed By – Brett Eliason
Vinyl
Mastered By – Ed Brooks, Levi Seitz
Mixed By – Josh EvansThis is according to what is printed on Cd and vinyl...
Yes the first 2014 release CD. The CD I posted above if you see, is the 2021 remix. Remix by Josh Evans.
https://www.nugs.net/live-download-of-pearl-jam-iwireless-center-moline-il-10-17-2014-mp3-flac-or-online-music-streaming/11455.html#q=Moline&lang=default&start=1
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