Pearl Jam Headline Two Nights at BST Hyde Park

Muffin The Mule

Tjm007 said:

Numbers are falling faster than expected.

Having seen all the unmasked parents hugging each other outside the school today I'm expecting them to rise again.

Tjm007

Muffin The Mule said:

Tjm007 said:

Numbers are falling faster than expected.

Having seen all the unmasked parents hugging each other outside the school today I'm expecting them to rise again.

Depressing that every sign of good news like schools going back is accompanied by gloom and doom.

abzmike

Tjm007 said:

Difficult for PJ to cancel without financial penalties given that the Uk is well on schedule to lift all restrictions mid-June.

Numbers are falling faster than expected.

The governemt has said that it hopes to lift restrictions by 21st June - no guarantees. No where has is been stated that full capacity events will be permitted by any date. I suspect July will be too early for 50,000 people in Hyde Park.

Muffin The Mule

Tjm007 said:

Muffin The Mule said:

Tjm007 said:

Numbers are falling faster than expected.

Having seen all the unmasked parents hugging each other outside the school today I'm expecting them to rise again.

Depressing that every sign of good news like schools going back is accompanied by gloom and doom.

I've lost 2 close friends to Covid before you start on me.

Gibson

abzmike said:

Tjm007 said:

Difficult for PJ to cancel without financial penalties given that the Uk is well on schedule to lift all restrictions mid-June.

Numbers are falling faster than expected.

The governemt has said that it hopes to lift restrictions by 21st June - no guarantees. No where has is been stated that full capacity events will be permitted by any date. I suspect July will be too early for 50,000 people in Hyde Park.

Agreed - not to mention the fact that a huge portion of that crowd will be travelling from outside of the UK. Would be shocked to see the city allow such an influx so fast.

Lerxst1992

Tjm007 said:

Difficult for PJ to cancel without financial penalties given that the Uk is well on schedule to lift all restrictions mid-June.

Numbers are falling faster than expected.

Not in NY. Please come visit if you want restrictions lifted. Our schools have been open since summer and now are at about 100% capacity in many locations. Indoor restaurants are about to increase to 75% capacity. But our per capita infections the last couple months  are among the worst on earth, despite having access to all of the US vaccines.

As far as PJ touring this year, if the US still has widespread infections and up to 40% of its population are refusing the vaccines, I doubt most govts will lift restrictions allowing Americans to freely travel without quarantines. 

PJNB

Lerxst1992 said:

Tjm007 said:

Difficult for PJ to cancel without financial penalties given that the Uk is well on schedule to lift all restrictions mid-June.

Numbers are falling faster than expected.

Not in NY. Please come visit if you want restrictions lifted. Our schools have been open since summer and now are at about 100% capacity in many locations. Indoor restaurants are about to increase to 75% capacity. But our per capita infections the last couple months  are among the worst on earth, despite having access to all of the US vaccines.

As far as PJ touring this year, if the US still has widespread infections and up to 40% of its population are refusing the vaccines, I doubt most govts will lift restrictions allowing Americans to freely travel without quarantines. 

Protect the idiots that refuse to get vaccinated by restricting those that do get vaccinated. Makes perfect sense to me. 

Tjm007

abzmike said:

Tjm007 said:

Difficult for PJ to cancel without financial penalties given that the Uk is well on schedule to lift all restrictions mid-June.

Numbers are falling faster than expected.

The governemt has said that it hopes to lift restrictions by 21st June - no guarantees. No where has is been stated that full capacity events will be permitted by any date. I suspect July will be too early for 50,000 people in Hyde Park.

From the govt advice. This was my main point - it wouldn't be possible to cancel right now based on the govt blocking the event. Any cancellation would have to be on uncertainty grounds.

Step 4, no earlier than 21 June:

• It is hoped all legal limits on social contact can be removed.
• We hope to reopen nightclubs, and lift restrictions on large events and performances that apply in Step 3.
• This will also guide decisions on whether all limits can be removed on weddings and other life events.

Lerxst1992

It’s not fun living among trumpsters. It’s difficult for me to get along with certain friends and fam. But the good news is if they refuse vaccines and production is over 3M doses per day in the summer (4M factoring J&J single dose), in about three weeks time we could have enough supply for our friends along our northern border.

Lerxst1992

chilisuarez said:

He promised to have the doses available by the end of May, not for everyone to be vaccinated by then. It also wasn't clear if this meant if it was enough doses for the first jab or both jabs. 

Enough vaccine for all adults by end of May per Biden. States have been strict about scheduling second doses at the first appointment. So three weeks after that at most for second dose. 

With J&J now approved, the US will be fully vaccinating 50 million per month soon and rising, with Merck joining production in the spring. The biggest challenges are the 40% who could be vax averse and the variants.

RatherStarved

Muffin The Mule said:

Tjm007 said:h

Muffin The Mule said:

Tjm007 said:

Numbers are falling faster than expected.

Having seen all the unmasked parents hugging each other outside the school today I'm expecting them to rise again.

Depressing that every sign of good news like schools going back is accompanied by gloom and doom.

I've lost 2 close friends to Covid before you start on me.

Sorry for your loss.  

RatherStarved

Tjm007 said:

abzmike said:

Tjm007 said:

Difficult for PJ to cancel without financial penalties given that the Uk is well on schedule to lift all restrictions mid-June.

Numbers are falling faster than expected.

The governemt has said that it hopes to lift restrictions by 21st June - no guarantees. No where has is been stated that full capacity events will be permitted by any date. I suspect July will be too early for 50,000 people in Hyde Park.

From the govt advice. This was my main point - it wouldn't be possible to cancel right now based on the govt blocking the event. Any cancellation would have to be on uncertainty grounds.

Step 4, no earlier than 21 June:

• It is hoped all legal limits on social contact can be removed.
• We hope to reopen nightclubs, and lift restrictions on large events and performances that apply in Step 3.
• This will also guide decisions on whether all limits can be removed on weddings and other life events.

It seems to me they can’t proceed with July, because they won’t know until mid June if they will be allowed to, and they will need to commit a lot of resources between now and then, at risk.  If the fest were to be moved to Sept., then they could make a final decision in June.  That’s probably the best case scenario.  

drfox

RatherStarved said:

Tjm007 said:

abzmike said:

Tjm007 said:

Difficult for PJ to cancel without financial penalties given that the Uk is well on schedule to lift all restrictions mid-June.

Numbers are falling faster than expected.

The governemt has said that it hopes to lift restrictions by 21st June - no guarantees. No where has is been stated that full capacity events will be permitted by any date. I suspect July will be too early for 50,000 people in Hyde Park.

From the govt advice. This was my main point - it wouldn't be possible to cancel right now based on the govt blocking the event. Any cancellation would have to be on uncertainty grounds.

Step 4, no earlier than 21 June:

• It is hoped all legal limits on social contact can be removed.
• We hope to reopen nightclubs, and lift restrictions on large events and performances that apply in Step 3.
• This will also guide decisions on whether all limits can be removed on weddings and other life events.

It seems to me they can’t proceed with July, because they won’t know until mid June if they will be allowed to, and they will need to commit a lot of resources between now and then, at risk.  If the fest were to be moved to Sept., then they could make a final decision in June.  That’s probably the best case scenario.  

Indeed and that’s why a few of the earlier festivals in the U.K. have moved to September. Still think this timeline works for PJ if they schedule in one of the two weekends before SHN

RatherStarved

If BST, SHN and Ohana are on back to back to back weekends, and that’s the 2021 tour, I’ll take it.  

Tjm007

RatherStarved said:

Tjm007 said:

abzmike said:

Tjm007 said:

Difficult for PJ to cancel without financial penalties given that the Uk is well on schedule to lift all restrictions mid-June.

Numbers are falling faster than expected.

The governemt has said that it hopes to lift restrictions by 21st June - no guarantees. No where has is been stated that full capacity events will be permitted by any date. I suspect July will be too early for 50,000 people in Hyde Park.

From the govt advice. This was my main point - it wouldn't be possible to cancel right now based on the govt blocking the event. Any cancellation would have to be on uncertainty grounds.

Step 4, no earlier than 21 June:

• It is hoped all legal limits on social contact can be removed.
• We hope to reopen nightclubs, and lift restrictions on large events and performances that apply in Step 3.
• This will also guide decisions on whether all limits can be removed on weddings and other life events.

It seems to me they can’t proceed with July, because they won’t know until mid June if they will be allowed to, and they will need to commit a lot of resources between now and then, at risk.  If the fest were to be moved to Sept., then they could make a final decision in June.  That’s probably the best case scenario.  

Yes - interesting that it hasn't yet been cancelled/moved. That must either be because there is a chance it goes ahead - or nobody wants to cancel yet as it will cost $$$£££.

beano.79

When you have put money to something there is nothing worse than poor communication. Obviously this is on the organisers and not the band in this case. There is no scenario they couldn't communicate over a simple FB post etc. Even if it's just a 'sit tight and bare with us' message. Pretty much every other UK festival has managed this.

Gravey1975

Tjm007 said:

RatherStarved said:

Tjm007 said:

abzmike said:

Tjm007 said:

Difficult for PJ to cancel without financial penalties given that the Uk is well on schedule to lift all restrictions mid-June.

Numbers are falling faster than expected.

The governemt has said that it hopes to lift restrictions by 21st June - no guarantees. No where has is been stated that full capacity events will be permitted by any date. I suspect July will be too early for 50,000 people in Hyde Park.

From the govt advice. This was my main point - it wouldn't be possible to cancel right now based on the govt blocking the event. Any cancellation would have to be on uncertainty grounds.

Step 4, no earlier than 21 June:

• It is hoped all legal limits on social contact can be removed.
• We hope to reopen nightclubs, and lift restrictions on large events and performances that apply in Step 3.
• This will also guide decisions on whether all limits can be removed on weddings and other life events.

It seems to me they can’t proceed with July, because they won’t know until mid June if they will be allowed to, and they will need to commit a lot of resources between now and then, at risk.  If the fest were to be moved to Sept., then they could make a final decision in June.  That’s probably the best case scenario.  

Yes - interesting that it hasn't yet been cancelled/moved. That must either be because there is a chance it goes ahead - or nobody wants to cancel yet as it will cost $$$£££.

It's the only festival that hasn't made an announcement in the uk. If it was going ahead as planned then I'm sure we'd have heard that it is full steam ahead. So odds are that BST is either cancelled altogether this year or is moving to September.  There had been rumours the organisers were exploring September as a Plan B before the gov announced its timeline so i think there's a very strong possibility it will move. It's also arguably the scenario which requires the most organisation - new contracts/arrangements with bands, security, etc etc, potentially arranging new bands on the bill...  So that could explain the radio silence.

InsideJob75

beano.79 said:

When you have put money to something there is nothing worse than poor communication. Obviously this is on the organisers and not the band in this case. There is no scenario they couldn't communicate over a simple FB post etc. Even if it's just a 'sit tight and bare with us' message. Pretty much every other UK festival has managed this.

EXACTLY THIS
Promoters/Management sort it out

Tjm007

beano.79 said:

When you have put money to something there is nothing worse than poor communication. Obviously this is on the organisers and not the band in this case. There is no scenario they couldn't communicate over a simple FB post etc. Even if it's just a 'sit tight and bare with us' message. Pretty much every other UK festival has managed this.

Could be that this isn't really a PJ gig - its BST running it.

beano.79

Tjm007 said:

beano.79 said:

When you have put money to something there is nothing worse than poor communication. Obviously this is on the organisers and not the band in this case. There is no scenario they couldn't communicate over a simple FB post etc. Even if it's just a 'sit tight and bare with us' message. Pretty much every other UK festival has managed this.

Could be that this isn't really a PJ gig - its BST running it.

That's why I said in this case it is the organisers responsibility, and that pretty much all other UK festivals have managed to communicate.

If I'm stuck in traffic and don't know how late for work I will be.. I still contact work to tell them I'm stuck in traffic. Simple communication, it's so frustrating.