GOP

Halifax2TheMax

Nice party you’ve got there.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/23/politics/republicans-extremists-worse-than-2012/index.html

Halifax2TheMax

Scott fucking Brown is running for office and he’s working the fuggettabout tour hard. Moved to NH too.

mickeyrat

Republican senator positions on Capitol riot commission:

4Expressedopenness

11

Still

considering

25Oppose

10

Unknown

Politics

Where
Republican
senators stand
on voting
for a Jan. 6
commission

By 

Peter W. Stevenson, 

Adrian Blanco and 

Daniela Santamariña

May 21, 2021

On Wednesday, the House voted to approve legislation on establishing an independent commission to investigate the Capitol insurrection of Jan. 6. All Democratic representatives and 35 Republicans supported the bill.

The bill now moves to the Senate and could be on the floor for a vote as early as next week, but it faces an uncertain fate as GOP opposition grows. Democrats need the support of 10 Republicans to reach a final vote and avoid a possible filibuster. Below is a list of Republican senators and their position on the commission.

Voted to convict TrumpVoted to convict Trump on incitement of insurrection

Filter by state or name

Expressed openness 4

Still considering 11

Oppose 25

Unknown 10

Scroll to see a full list of names

Expressed openness 4

These senators support or expressed openness to support the bill.

Bill Cassidy LAVoted to convict Trump

Cassidy said on May 20 he is “inclined" to support the commission.

Susan Collins MEVoted to convict Trump

“I do think that a commission is a good idea,” Collins told reporters on May 19, saying she wants to see changes to the bill before voting for it.

Mike Crapo ID

Crapo said he'd be willing to consider the commission but considers the current plan too partisan and wants congressional leaders to negotiate, saying, “If the House Republican leadership and the House Democrat leadership can come together in a bipartisan way then I’d look very seriously at what they wanted to propose.”

Mitt Romney UTVoted to convict Trump

Romney has expressed support for the commission but said he wants to see changes to how staff are appointed.

Still considering 11

These senators are still considering whether they support the bill.

Shelley Moore Capito WV

According to NBC News, Capito said she is still considering the bill. Read more »

John Cornyn TX

Lindsey O. Graham SC

“I can’t say I’m for it, I can’t say I’m against it until I talk to the people who are against it and see why they feel they need to be against it,” Graham told reporters. “Conceptually it makes sense to me.” Read more »

Jerry Moran KS

According to NBC News, Moran said he is still considering the bill. Read more »

Lisa Murkowski AKVoted to convict Trump

Rob Portman OH

According to NBC News, Portman said he is still considering the bill. Read more »

Ben Sasse NEVoted to convict Trump

“How can we rebuild public trust? The ongoing criminal investigations and the bipartisan work in the Rules Committee and HSGAC are part of that work — maybe a commission is too, but I’m reserving judgment on that,” Sasse told reporters. Read more »

John Thune SD

Thune said he is still considering the bill

Patrick J. Toomey PAVoted to convict Trump

"I haven't decided,” Toomey told reporters. Read more »

Tommy Tuberville AL

Roger Wicker MS

According to NBC News, Wicker said he is still considering the bill.

Oppose 25

These senators have said they oppose the bill.

John Barrasso WY

Roy Blunt MO

John Boozman AR

“There are multiple investigations already underway, within Congress and by law enforcement agencies, into the events of January 6th,” Boozman said in a statement, according to the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette. Read more »

Mike Braun IN

Richard Burr NCVoted to convict Trump

Tom Cotton AR

“This duplicative, partisan commission isn't designed to uncover new information, but rather to advance the Democrats' partisan goals,” Cotton said in a statement, according to the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette. Read more »

Kevin Cramer ND

“We have committees studying what happened, & there have been hundreds of federal investigations launched into the people responsible for the horrible events that day,” Cramer wrote on Twitter. Read more »

Steve Daines MT

Joni Ernst IA

Charles E. Grassley IA

Grassley said the current bill forming a commission probably can't get to 60 votes.

Bill Hagerty TN

“This is clearly just a partisan attempt to open up an area where they think it will be helpful to the Democrats in the next cycle of the elections,” Hagerty told WREG-TV. Read more »

Josh Hawley MO

John Hoeven ND

Ron Johnson WI

John Neely Kennedy LA

James Lankford OK

Cynthia Lummis WY

Mitch McConnell KY

Rand Paul KY

Mike Rounds SD

Marco Rubio FL

Rubio announced in a tweet on Friday that he opposes the bill Read more »

Rick Scott FL

Richard C. Shelby AL

Thom Tillis NC

Todd C. Young IN

Unknown 10

These senators have not made any statements about the bill or made ambiguous ones.

Marsha Blackburn TN

Ted Cruz TX

Deb Fischer NE

Cindy Hyde-Smith MS

James M. Inhofe OK

Mike Lee UT

Roger Marshall KS

James E. Risch ID

Tim Scott SC

Dan Sullivan AK

Peter W. StevensonFollow

Peter W. Stevenson writes The 5-Minute Fix newsletter and covers national and state politics for The Fix. He's been at The Post since 2015 and has been the senior political video producer since 2017. He was part of a team that won a Pulitzer Prize for climate change coverage in 2020, and won two Edward R. Murrow awards in 2017.

Adrian BlancoFollow

Adrián Blanco Ramos is a graphic reporter in the graphics department at The Washington Post. He previously worked at Spanish newspaper El Confidencial focusing on data visualization, data analysis and investigative journalism. He participated in the International Consortium of Investigative Journalist’s Paradise Papers investigation.

Daniela SantamariñaFollow

Daniela Santamariña is a graphics reporter for newsletters covering politics at The Washington Post. Before joining The Post in 2019, she was an editor for National Geographic.

• washingtonpost.com
• © 1996-2021 The Washington Post

mickeyrat

Halifax2TheMax said:

Scott fucking Brown is running for office and he’s working the fuggettabout tour hard. Moved to NH too.

didnt he once already after Warren beat him in the general for her first cycle?

tempo_n_groove

If it is being investigated already why bother with another one?

mickeyrat

tempo_n_groove said:

If it is being investigated already why bother with another one?

? the insurrection? are you kidding me? 9/11 was investigated by Congress, yet independent commission got it all.

commission will lay it all out, comprehensively. the complicity, the myriad failures and how to address those, prevention for the future cuz it ain't over.

and you oppose this why?

tempo_n_groove

mickeyrat said:

tempo_n_groove said:

If it is being investigated already why bother with another one?

? the insurrection? are you kidding me? 9/11 was investigated by Congress, yet independent commission got it all.

commission will lay it all out, comprehensively. the complicity, the myriad failures and how to address those, prevention for the future cuz it ain't over.

and you oppose this why?

If it is being investigated already, why waste the time and money on bringing a committee together unless the current investigating body does not have the resources or are incapable?

If that were to happen then whomever is investigating now stops and hands over the information?  Are people being brought to trial by the committee, current investigating crew or both?

These are the questions I would want answered before going forth with a new investigating team/committee.

tbergs

tempo_n_groove said:

mickeyrat said:

tempo_n_groove said:

If it is being investigated already why bother with another one?

? the insurrection? are you kidding me? 9/11 was investigated by Congress, yet independent commission got it all.

commission will lay it all out, comprehensively. the complicity, the myriad failures and how to address those, prevention for the future cuz it ain't over.

and you oppose this why?

If it is being investigated already, why waste the time and money on bringing a committee together unless the current investigating body does not have the resources or are incapable?

If that were to happen then whomever is investigating now stops and hands over the information?  Are people being brought to trial by the committee, current investigating crew or both?

These are the questions I would want answered before going forth with a new investigating team/committee.

I don't mean to be an ass, but the differences between a bunch of different agencies/groups looking at different aspects of the incident is not even close to the same as an entire independent commission dedicated to the task. You know 9/11 had this same situation going on until they moved forward with the commission right? The only difference now is that the GOP has the most to lose from this because these were domestic terrorists who supported their presidential nominee and not a bunch of middle eastern terrorists that could drum up patriotism and the war machine. This is beyond fucked that people don't realize the reasons behind not wanting the commission are partisan bullshit. This whole response some are giving of wanting an investigation in to BLM in return is just racist pandering. If they really wanted to do that, they had the last several years to do so.

tempo_n_groove

tbergs said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mickeyrat said:

tempo_n_groove said:

If it is being investigated already why bother with another one?

? the insurrection? are you kidding me? 9/11 was investigated by Congress, yet independent commission got it all.

commission will lay it all out, comprehensively. the complicity, the myriad failures and how to address those, prevention for the future cuz it ain't over.

and you oppose this why?

If it is being investigated already, why waste the time and money on bringing a committee together unless the current investigating body does not have the resources or are incapable?

If that were to happen then whomever is investigating now stops and hands over the information?  Are people being brought to trial by the committee, current investigating crew or both?

These are the questions I would want answered before going forth with a new investigating team/committee.

I don't mean to be an ass, but the differences between a bunch of different agencies/groups looking at different aspects of the incident is not even close to the same as an entire independent commission dedicated to the task. You know 9/11 had this same situation going on until they moved forward with the commission right? The only difference now is that the GOP has the most to lose from this because these were domestic terrorists who supported their presidential nominee and not a bunch of middle eastern terrorists that could drum up patriotism and the war machine. This is beyond fucked that people don't realize the reasons behind not wanting the commission are partisan bullshit. This whole response some are giving of wanting an investigation in to BLM in return is just racist pandering. If they really wanted to do that, they had the last several years to do so.

You answered part of my questions then.  I would assume that current trials couldn't go on until the committee investigating is done or they would arrest people as they went on?

I'm asking about possible screw ups and double jeopardy type situations too.  Obviously they know how to handle this better than I would.

How much investigation is going on to see how deep some of the politicians might be in it from the local level that is handling it?

Full of questions.

mrussel1

tempo_n_groove said:

tbergs said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mickeyrat said:

tempo_n_groove said:

If it is being investigated already why bother with another one?

? the insurrection? are you kidding me? 9/11 was investigated by Congress, yet independent commission got it all.

commission will lay it all out, comprehensively. the complicity, the myriad failures and how to address those, prevention for the future cuz it ain't over.

and you oppose this why?

If it is being investigated already, why waste the time and money on bringing a committee together unless the current investigating body does not have the resources or are incapable?

If that were to happen then whomever is investigating now stops and hands over the information?  Are people being brought to trial by the committee, current investigating crew or both?

These are the questions I would want answered before going forth with a new investigating team/committee.

I don't mean to be an ass, but the differences between a bunch of different agencies/groups looking at different aspects of the incident is not even close to the same as an entire independent commission dedicated to the task. You know 9/11 had this same situation going on until they moved forward with the commission right? The only difference now is that the GOP has the most to lose from this because these were domestic terrorists who supported their presidential nominee and not a bunch of middle eastern terrorists that could drum up patriotism and the war machine. This is beyond fucked that people don't realize the reasons behind not wanting the commission are partisan bullshit. This whole response some are giving of wanting an investigation in to BLM in return is just racist pandering. If they really wanted to do that, they had the last several years to do so.

You answered part of my questions then.  I would assume that current trials couldn't go on until the committee investigating is done or they would arrest people as they went on?

I'm asking about possible screw ups and double jeopardy type situations too.  Obviously they know how to handle this better than I would.

How much investigation is going on to see how deep some of the politicians might be in it from the local level that is handling it?

Full of questions.

I'm not sure who you are talking about when you say other are investigating it now.  Who do you mean specifically?

tempo_n_groove

mrussel1 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

tbergs said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mickeyrat said:

tempo_n_groove said:

If it is being investigated already why bother with another one?

? the insurrection? are you kidding me? 9/11 was investigated by Congress, yet independent commission got it all.

commission will lay it all out, comprehensively. the complicity, the myriad failures and how to address those, prevention for the future cuz it ain't over.

and you oppose this why?

If it is being investigated already, why waste the time and money on bringing a committee together unless the current investigating body does not have the resources or are incapable?

If that were to happen then whomever is investigating now stops and hands over the information?  Are people being brought to trial by the committee, current investigating crew or both?

These are the questions I would want answered before going forth with a new investigating team/committee.

I don't mean to be an ass, but the differences between a bunch of different agencies/groups looking at different aspects of the incident is not even close to the same as an entire independent commission dedicated to the task. You know 9/11 had this same situation going on until they moved forward with the commission right? The only difference now is that the GOP has the most to lose from this because these were domestic terrorists who supported their presidential nominee and not a bunch of middle eastern terrorists that could drum up patriotism and the war machine. This is beyond fucked that people don't realize the reasons behind not wanting the commission are partisan bullshit. This whole response some are giving of wanting an investigation in to BLM in return is just racist pandering. If they really wanted to do that, they had the last several years to do so.

You answered part of my questions then.  I would assume that current trials couldn't go on until the committee investigating is done or they would arrest people as they went on?

I'm asking about possible screw ups and double jeopardy type situations too.  Obviously they know how to handle this better than I would.

How much investigation is going on to see how deep some of the politicians might be in it from the local level that is handling it?

Full of questions.

I'm not sure who you are talking about when you say other are investigating it now.  Who do you mean specifically?

There were arrests made from this, some 600 people already?  They were investigations to do that.  That's whom.  The FBI I believe?

mrussel1

tempo_n_groove said:

mrussel1 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

tbergs said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mickeyrat said:

tempo_n_groove said:

If it is being investigated already why bother with another one?

? the insurrection? are you kidding me? 9/11 was investigated by Congress, yet independent commission got it all.

commission will lay it all out, comprehensively. the complicity, the myriad failures and how to address those, prevention for the future cuz it ain't over.

and you oppose this why?

If it is being investigated already, why waste the time and money on bringing a committee together unless the current investigating body does not have the resources or are incapable?

If that were to happen then whomever is investigating now stops and hands over the information?  Are people being brought to trial by the committee, current investigating crew or both?

These are the questions I would want answered before going forth with a new investigating team/committee.

I don't mean to be an ass, but the differences between a bunch of different agencies/groups looking at different aspects of the incident is not even close to the same as an entire independent commission dedicated to the task. You know 9/11 had this same situation going on until they moved forward with the commission right? The only difference now is that the GOP has the most to lose from this because these were domestic terrorists who supported their presidential nominee and not a bunch of middle eastern terrorists that could drum up patriotism and the war machine. This is beyond fucked that people don't realize the reasons behind not wanting the commission are partisan bullshit. This whole response some are giving of wanting an investigation in to BLM in return is just racist pandering. If they really wanted to do that, they had the last several years to do so.

You answered part of my questions then.  I would assume that current trials couldn't go on until the committee investigating is done or they would arrest people as they went on?

I'm asking about possible screw ups and double jeopardy type situations too.  Obviously they know how to handle this better than I would.

How much investigation is going on to see how deep some of the politicians might be in it from the local level that is handling it?

Full of questions.

I'm not sure who you are talking about when you say other are investigating it now.  Who do you mean specifically?

There were arrests made from this, some 600 people already?  They were investigations to do that.  That's whom.  The FBI I believe?

Those are completely different.  Those are criminal investigations into individual behaviors and their culpability under applicable statutes.  That's a completely different purpose than having a commission with the subpoena power that is looking at the underlying causes of the riot, the preparation by the gov't and military, the response, how to prevent in teh future, etc.  

tempo_n_groove

mrussel1 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mrussel1 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

tbergs said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mickeyrat said:

tempo_n_groove said:

If it is being investigated already why bother with another one?

? the insurrection? are you kidding me? 9/11 was investigated by Congress, yet independent commission got it all.

commission will lay it all out, comprehensively. the complicity, the myriad failures and how to address those, prevention for the future cuz it ain't over.

and you oppose this why?

If it is being investigated already, why waste the time and money on bringing a committee together unless the current investigating body does not have the resources or are incapable?

If that were to happen then whomever is investigating now stops and hands over the information?  Are people being brought to trial by the committee, current investigating crew or both?

These are the questions I would want answered before going forth with a new investigating team/committee.

I don't mean to be an ass, but the differences between a bunch of different agencies/groups looking at different aspects of the incident is not even close to the same as an entire independent commission dedicated to the task. You know 9/11 had this same situation going on until they moved forward with the commission right? The only difference now is that the GOP has the most to lose from this because these were domestic terrorists who supported their presidential nominee and not a bunch of middle eastern terrorists that could drum up patriotism and the war machine. This is beyond fucked that people don't realize the reasons behind not wanting the commission are partisan bullshit. This whole response some are giving of wanting an investigation in to BLM in return is just racist pandering. If they really wanted to do that, they had the last several years to do so.

You answered part of my questions then.  I would assume that current trials couldn't go on until the committee investigating is done or they would arrest people as they went on?

I'm asking about possible screw ups and double jeopardy type situations too.  Obviously they know how to handle this better than I would.

How much investigation is going on to see how deep some of the politicians might be in it from the local level that is handling it?

Full of questions.

I'm not sure who you are talking about when you say other are investigating it now.  Who do you mean specifically?

There were arrests made from this, some 600 people already?  They were investigations to do that.  That's whom.  The FBI I believe?

Those are completely different.  Those are criminal investigations into individual behaviors and their culpability under applicable statutes.  That's a completely different purpose than having a commission with the subpoena power that is looking at the underlying causes of the riot, the preparation by the gov't and military, the response, how to prevent in teh future, etc.  

If they aren't doing that now then yes, a committee should be formed.  I thought that was being done all this time actually.  With them piecing the emails together and figuring out time  lines and what was being planned.

tbergs

tempo_n_groove said:

mrussel1 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mrussel1 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

tbergs said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mickeyrat said:

tempo_n_groove said:

If it is being investigated already why bother with another one?

? the insurrection? are you kidding me? 9/11 was investigated by Congress, yet independent commission got it all.

commission will lay it all out, comprehensively. the complicity, the myriad failures and how to address those, prevention for the future cuz it ain't over.

and you oppose this why?

If it is being investigated already, why waste the time and money on bringing a committee together unless the current investigating body does not have the resources or are incapable?

If that were to happen then whomever is investigating now stops and hands over the information?  Are people being brought to trial by the committee, current investigating crew or both?

These are the questions I would want answered before going forth with a new investigating team/committee.

I don't mean to be an ass, but the differences between a bunch of different agencies/groups looking at different aspects of the incident is not even close to the same as an entire independent commission dedicated to the task. You know 9/11 had this same situation going on until they moved forward with the commission right? The only difference now is that the GOP has the most to lose from this because these were domestic terrorists who supported their presidential nominee and not a bunch of middle eastern terrorists that could drum up patriotism and the war machine. This is beyond fucked that people don't realize the reasons behind not wanting the commission are partisan bullshit. This whole response some are giving of wanting an investigation in to BLM in return is just racist pandering. If they really wanted to do that, they had the last several years to do so.

You answered part of my questions then.  I would assume that current trials couldn't go on until the committee investigating is done or they would arrest people as they went on?

I'm asking about possible screw ups and double jeopardy type situations too.  Obviously they know how to handle this better than I would.

How much investigation is going on to see how deep some of the politicians might be in it from the local level that is handling it?

Full of questions.

I'm not sure who you are talking about when you say other are investigating it now.  Who do you mean specifically?

There were arrests made from this, some 600 people already?  They were investigations to do that.  That's whom.  The FBI I believe?

Those are completely different.  Those are criminal investigations into individual behaviors and their culpability under applicable statutes.  That's a completely different purpose than having a commission with the subpoena power that is looking at the underlying causes of the riot, the preparation by the gov't and military, the response, how to prevent in teh future, etc.  

If they aren't doing that now then yes, a committee should be formed.  I thought that was being done all this time actually.  With them piecing the emails together and figuring out time  lines and what was being planned.

Most of that work has been done by journalists tying together pieces from the different criminal cases. The incident was a total and utter failure of national security at our nation's capital and most of the GOP isn't sure they even want to look in to what needs to happen to prevent a future incident, whether it's a domestic or foreign threat.

mrussel1

tempo_n_groove said:

mrussel1 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mrussel1 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

tbergs said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mickeyrat said:

tempo_n_groove said:

If it is being investigated already why bother with another one?

? the insurrection? are you kidding me? 9/11 was investigated by Congress, yet independent commission got it all.

commission will lay it all out, comprehensively. the complicity, the myriad failures and how to address those, prevention for the future cuz it ain't over.

and you oppose this why?

If it is being investigated already, why waste the time and money on bringing a committee together unless the current investigating body does not have the resources or are incapable?

If that were to happen then whomever is investigating now stops and hands over the information?  Are people being brought to trial by the committee, current investigating crew or both?

These are the questions I would want answered before going forth with a new investigating team/committee.

I don't mean to be an ass, but the differences between a bunch of different agencies/groups looking at different aspects of the incident is not even close to the same as an entire independent commission dedicated to the task. You know 9/11 had this same situation going on until they moved forward with the commission right? The only difference now is that the GOP has the most to lose from this because these were domestic terrorists who supported their presidential nominee and not a bunch of middle eastern terrorists that could drum up patriotism and the war machine. This is beyond fucked that people don't realize the reasons behind not wanting the commission are partisan bullshit. This whole response some are giving of wanting an investigation in to BLM in return is just racist pandering. If they really wanted to do that, they had the last several years to do so.

You answered part of my questions then.  I would assume that current trials couldn't go on until the committee investigating is done or they would arrest people as they went on?

I'm asking about possible screw ups and double jeopardy type situations too.  Obviously they know how to handle this better than I would.

How much investigation is going on to see how deep some of the politicians might be in it from the local level that is handling it?

Full of questions.

I'm not sure who you are talking about when you say other are investigating it now.  Who do you mean specifically?

There were arrests made from this, some 600 people already?  They were investigations to do that.  That's whom.  The FBI I believe?

Those are completely different.  Those are criminal investigations into individual behaviors and their culpability under applicable statutes.  That's a completely different purpose than having a commission with the subpoena power that is looking at the underlying causes of the riot, the preparation by the gov't and military, the response, how to prevent in teh future, etc.  

If they aren't doing that now then yes, a committee should be formed.  I thought that was being done all this time actually.  With them piecing the emails together and figuring out time  lines and what was being planned.

But that's only for those that are charged with crimes.  This is the much larger questions and issues that need to be understood to try and prevent such a situation from ever occurring again.  It's not about individual criminal activity.  That's for the FBI and the federal prosecutors.  There is no overarching investigation into the events as of today.  The independent commission would create that.  Think of it as the 911 commission, the Warren Commission (JKF assassination), etc. 

Bentleyspop

tempo_n_groove said:

mrussel1 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

tbergs said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mickeyrat said:

tempo_n_groove said:

If it is being investigated already why bother with another one?

? the insurrection? are you kidding me? 9/11 was investigated by Congress, yet independent commission got it all.

commission will lay it all out, comprehensively. the complicity, the myriad failures and how to address those, prevention for the future cuz it ain't over.

and you oppose this why?

If it is being investigated already, why waste the time and money on bringing a committee together unless the current investigating body does not have the resources or are incapable?

If that were to happen then whomever is investigating now stops and hands over the information?  Are people being brought to trial by the committee, current investigating crew or both?

These are the questions I would want answered before going forth with a new investigating team/committee.

I don't mean to be an ass, but the differences between a bunch of different agencies/groups looking at different aspects of the incident is not even close to the same as an entire independent commission dedicated to the task. You know 9/11 had this same situation going on until they moved forward with the commission right? The only difference now is that the GOP has the most to lose from this because these were domestic terrorists who supported their presidential nominee and not a bunch of middle eastern terrorists that could drum up patriotism and the war machine. This is beyond fucked that people don't realize the reasons behind not wanting the commission are partisan bullshit. This whole response some are giving of wanting an investigation in to BLM in return is just racist pandering. If they really wanted to do that, they had the last several years to do so.

You answered part of my questions then.  I would assume that current trials couldn't go on until the committee investigating is done or they would arrest people as they went on?

I'm asking about possible screw ups and double jeopardy type situations too.  Obviously they know how to handle this better than I would.

How much investigation is going on to see how deep some of the politicians might be in it from the local level that is handling it?

Full of questions.

I'm not sure who you are talking about when you say other are investigating it now.  Who do you mean specifically?

There were arrests made from this, some 600 people already?  They were investigations to do that.  That's whom.  The FBI I believe?

The FBI and DC police handled the insurrectionists. 

The commission is to investigate government failings and to root out any government employees, including elected officials,  who aided and abetted on or before and after January 6th.

tempo_n_groove

tbergs said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mrussel1 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mrussel1 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

tbergs said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mickeyrat said:

tempo_n_groove said:

If it is being investigated already why bother with another one?

? the insurrection? are you kidding me? 9/11 was investigated by Congress, yet independent commission got it all.

commission will lay it all out, comprehensively. the complicity, the myriad failures and how to address those, prevention for the future cuz it ain't over.

and you oppose this why?

If it is being investigated already, why waste the time and money on bringing a committee together unless the current investigating body does not have the resources or are incapable?

If that were to happen then whomever is investigating now stops and hands over the information?  Are people being brought to trial by the committee, current investigating crew or both?

These are the questions I would want answered before going forth with a new investigating team/committee.

I don't mean to be an ass, but the differences between a bunch of different agencies/groups looking at different aspects of the incident is not even close to the same as an entire independent commission dedicated to the task. You know 9/11 had this same situation going on until they moved forward with the commission right? The only difference now is that the GOP has the most to lose from this because these were domestic terrorists who supported their presidential nominee and not a bunch of middle eastern terrorists that could drum up patriotism and the war machine. This is beyond fucked that people don't realize the reasons behind not wanting the commission are partisan bullshit. This whole response some are giving of wanting an investigation in to BLM in return is just racist pandering. If they really wanted to do that, they had the last several years to do so.

You answered part of my questions then.  I would assume that current trials couldn't go on until the committee investigating is done or they would arrest people as they went on?

I'm asking about possible screw ups and double jeopardy type situations too.  Obviously they know how to handle this better than I would.

How much investigation is going on to see how deep some of the politicians might be in it from the local level that is handling it?

Full of questions.

I'm not sure who you are talking about when you say other are investigating it now.  Who do you mean specifically?

There were arrests made from this, some 600 people already?  They were investigations to do that.  That's whom.  The FBI I believe?

Those are completely different.  Those are criminal investigations into individual behaviors and their culpability under applicable statutes.  That's a completely different purpose than having a commission with the subpoena power that is looking at the underlying causes of the riot, the preparation by the gov't and military, the response, how to prevent in teh future, etc.  

If they aren't doing that now then yes, a committee should be formed.  I thought that was being done all this time actually.  With them piecing the emails together and figuring out time  lines and what was being planned.

Most of that work has been done by journalists tying together pieces from the different criminal cases. The incident was a total and utter failure of national security at our nation's capital and most of the GOP isn't sure they even want to look in to what needs to happen to prevent a future incident, whether it's a domestic or foreign threat.

mrussel1 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mrussel1 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mrussel1 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

tbergs said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mickeyrat said:

tempo_n_groove said:

If it is being investigated already why bother with another one?

? the insurrection? are you kidding me? 9/11 was investigated by Congress, yet independent commission got it all.

commission will lay it all out, comprehensively. the complicity, the myriad failures and how to address those, prevention for the future cuz it ain't over.

and you oppose this why?

If it is being investigated already, why waste the time and money on bringing a committee together unless the current investigating body does not have the resources or are incapable?

If that were to happen then whomever is investigating now stops and hands over the information?  Are people being brought to trial by the committee, current investigating crew or both?

These are the questions I would want answered before going forth with a new investigating team/committee.

I don't mean to be an ass, but the differences between a bunch of different agencies/groups looking at different aspects of the incident is not even close to the same as an entire independent commission dedicated to the task. You know 9/11 had this same situation going on until they moved forward with the commission right? The only difference now is that the GOP has the most to lose from this because these were domestic terrorists who supported their presidential nominee and not a bunch of middle eastern terrorists that could drum up patriotism and the war machine. This is beyond fucked that people don't realize the reasons behind not wanting the commission are partisan bullshit. This whole response some are giving of wanting an investigation in to BLM in return is just racist pandering. If they really wanted to do that, they had the last several years to do so.

You answered part of my questions then.  I would assume that current trials couldn't go on until the committee investigating is done or they would arrest people as they went on?

I'm asking about possible screw ups and double jeopardy type situations too.  Obviously they know how to handle this better than I would.

How much investigation is going on to see how deep some of the politicians might be in it from the local level that is handling it?

Full of questions.

I'm not sure who you are talking about when you say other are investigating it now.  Who do you mean specifically?

There were arrests made from this, some 600 people already?  They were investigations to do that.  That's whom.  The FBI I believe?

Those are completely different.  Those are criminal investigations into individual behaviors and their culpability under applicable statutes.  That's a completely different purpose than having a commission with the subpoena power that is looking at the underlying causes of the riot, the preparation by the gov't and military, the response, how to prevent in teh future, etc.  

If they aren't doing that now then yes, a committee should be formed.  I thought that was being done all this time actually.  With them piecing the emails together and figuring out time  lines and what was being planned.

But that's only for those that are charged with crimes.  This is the much larger questions and issues that need to be understood to try and prevent such a situation from ever occurring again.  It's not about individual criminal activity.  That's for the FBI and the federal prosecutors.  There is no overarching investigation into the events as of today.  The independent commission would create that.  Think of it as the 911 commission, the Warren Commission (JKF assassination), etc. 

Bentleyspop said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mrussel1 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

tbergs said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mickeyrat said:

tempo_n_groove said:

If it is being investigated already why bother with another one?

? the insurrection? are you kidding me? 9/11 was investigated by Congress, yet independent commission got it all.

commission will lay it all out, comprehensively. the complicity, the myriad failures and how to address those, prevention for the future cuz it ain't over.

and you oppose this why?

If it is being investigated already, why waste the time and money on bringing a committee together unless the current investigating body does not have the resources or are incapable?

If that were to happen then whomever is investigating now stops and hands over the information?  Are people being brought to trial by the committee, current investigating crew or both?

These are the questions I would want answered before going forth with a new investigating team/committee.

I don't mean to be an ass, but the differences between a bunch of different agencies/groups looking at different aspects of the incident is not even close to the same as an entire independent commission dedicated to the task. You know 9/11 had this same situation going on until they moved forward with the commission right? The only difference now is that the GOP has the most to lose from this because these were domestic terrorists who supported their presidential nominee and not a bunch of middle eastern terrorists that could drum up patriotism and the war machine. This is beyond fucked that people don't realize the reasons behind not wanting the commission are partisan bullshit. This whole response some are giving of wanting an investigation in to BLM in return is just racist pandering. If they really wanted to do that, they had the last several years to do so.

You answered part of my questions then.  I would assume that current trials couldn't go on until the committee investigating is done or they would arrest people as they went on?

I'm asking about possible screw ups and double jeopardy type situations too.  Obviously they know how to handle this better than I would.

How much investigation is going on to see how deep some of the politicians might be in it from the local level that is handling it?

Full of questions.

I'm not sure who you are talking about when you say other are investigating it now.  Who do you mean specifically?

There were arrests made from this, some 600 people already?  They were investigations to do that.  That's whom.  The FBI I believe?

The FBI and DC police handled the insurrectionists. 

The commission is to investigate government failings and to root out any government employees, including elected officials,  who aided and abetted on or before and after January 6th.

Makes absolute sense then.  I don't follow very closely anymore so thought all this was being done already.

mickeyrat

 

Government and politics Kevin McCarthy Donald Trump Marjorie Taylor Greene Coronavirus pandemic The Holocaust

GOP leaders condemn Greene over Holocaust comments

By BRIAN SLODYSKO

Today

WASHINGTON (AP) — Republican leaders forcefully condemned GOP Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene on Tuesday, calling her comments comparing COVID-19 safety measures like mask-wearing to the treatment of Jews in Nazi Germany “appalling.”

“Marjorie is wrong, and her intentional decision to compare the horrors of the Holocaust with wearing masks is appalling," House Republican Leader Kevin McCarthy, R-Calif., said in a statement, which stopped short of calling for Greene to face disciplinary measures. “The fact that this needs to be stated today is deeply troubling."

Greene, a conservative firebrand from Georgia and ally of former President Donald Trump, has thrived on stirring controversy, pushing conspiracy theories and forcefully confronting her colleagues since taking her seat in the House in January. But, until now, Republican leaders have proven hesitant to criticize her and refused to join with Democrats earlier this year when they voted to strip her of committee assignments.

Their rebuke Tuesday came after Greene made an appearance on a conservative podcast, “The Water Cooler with David Brody,” released last Thursday. In her interview, Greene excoriated safety protocols adopted by House Democrats, including a requirement that masks be worn on the House floor. She also called House Speaker Nancy Pelosi “mentally ill” and suggested that the rules were comparable to the treatment of Jews during the Holocaust.

“You know, we can look back in a time and history where people were told to wear a gold star. And they were definitely treated like second-class citizens, so much so that they were put in trains and taken to gas chambers in Nazi Germany,” Greene said on the podcast. “This is exactly the type of abuse that Nancy Pelosi is talking about.”

After her remarks sparked a firestorm of online criticism, Greene leaned in to the comparison further.

On Tuesday, she tweeted out a news story about a grocery store chain that plans to allow vaccinated employees to go maskless. Those who do would have a logo on their nametags indicating they had been vaccinated.

“Vaccinated employees get a vaccination logo just like the Nazi’s forced Jewish people to wear a gold star,” Greene tweeted.

Pelosi, who previously suggested that Greene could face an ethics inquiry, called her comments "so beyond reprehensible” that they should have “no place in our country.” Democratic Illinois Rep. Brad Schneider proposed censuring Greene.

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., called Greene's comments one of her "frequent outbursts that are absolutely outrageous and reprehensible.” Still, he said any disciplinary action against her would have to come from the House.

Rep. Elise Stefanik, the No. 3 House GOP leader, said “equating mask wearing and vaccines to the Holocaust” minimized "the most significant human atrocities ever committed.”

The furor is just the latest provocative chapter in the activist-turned-lawmaker's brief tenure in the House.

Earlier this month, Greene followed Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez off the House floor, shouting that the Democrat supported “terrorists” and doesn’t “care about the American people.” She also appeared in Facebook Live video filmed outside Ocasio-Cortez’s office, taunting the congresswoman through the mail slot of a locked door to “get rid of your diaper and come out and be able to talk to the American citizens.”

Before her election, Greene supported Facebook posts that advocated violence against Democrats and the FBI. In one 2018 post, she speculated that “lasers or blue beams of light” controlled by a left-wing cabal tied to a powerful Jewish family could have been responsible for sparking California wildfires.

And in February 2019, Greene appeared in an online video filmed at the U.S. Capitol, arguing that two Muslim lawmakers weren’t “really official” members of Congress because they didn’t take the oath of office on the Bible.

HughFreakingDillon

even Ben Shapiro called it "demented nonsense". 

DewieCox

HughFreakingDillon said:

even Ben Shapiro called it "demented nonsense". 

And then both sides-ed the the hell out of it.