Breaking news: Another old white guy denounces wokeness. Again.
LOL, I didn't see this until I posted the above. I'm sorry if you take that view personally.
The fact remains, that "woke" attitude is doing more to reinforce the foolish beliefs of the radical right, not break them down. I can't imagine you would want a strong right wing Republican presence in this nation.
"Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!" -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
It was not directed at any one person. Just trying to keep the peace and spread some love. Did you watch what Rachel Maddow said about the election trend with VA and NJ? She found some better news for Dems. Then there's the James Carville comment about being woke that I haven't looked into yet...we could discuss that stuff. You decide which thread, ok?
He went on, saying that what he sees as wokeness “has a suppressive effect all across the country on Democrats.”
“Some
of these people need to go to a ‘woke’ detox center or something,” he
said. “They’re expressing a language that people just don’t use and
there’s backlash and a frustration at that.”
Couldn't agree more. The whole "woke" attitude simply reeks of arrogant self-righteousness. It' a major turn-off to the average moderate thinking person and an insult to people sincerely trying to make positive progressive change happen in this country. It's the kind of attitude that is helping build the radical right.
Thing is...I think it's not the majority of the party. But it's the loudest and since Republicans are better at politics, they're pretty easily able label every dem as a woke, defund the police wantin', socialist pig---And, even though it's bullshit, it wins the argument because it's an easy one to make.
It was not directed at any one person. Just trying to keep the peace and spread some love. Did you watch what Rachel Maddow said about the election trend with VA and NJ? She found some better news for Dems. Then there's the James Carville comment about being woke that I haven't looked into yet...we could discuss that stuff. You decide which thread, ok?
He went on, saying that what he sees as wokeness “has a suppressive effect all across the country on Democrats.”
“Some
of these people need to go to a ‘woke’ detox center or something,” he
said. “They’re expressing a language that people just don’t use and
there’s backlash and a frustration at that.”
Couldn't agree more. The whole "woke" attitude simply reeks of arrogant self-righteousness. It' a major turn-off to the average moderate thinking person and an insult to people sincerely trying to make positive progressive change happen in this country. It's the kind of attitude that is helping build the radical right.
Thing is...I think it's not the majority of the party. But it's the loudest and since Republicans are better at politics, they're pretty easily able label every dem as a woke, defund the police wantin', socialist pig---And, even though it's bullshit, it wins the argument because it's an easy one to make.
No he isn't..the sad fact is that people would rather hear half truths and distortions than face the legacy of racism for once. What woke talking points were on the ballot in virginia again? Oh yeah, I won't make you wear a mask, I won't mandate a vaccine, I won't ever tell your kids that Virginia was one of the last states to desegragate and that the slow desegregation has a lasting legacy today...No people didn't go out and vote against wokeness or for sensible middle of the road policies, they voted for denial.
Seattle and Minnesota would disagree with you for sure.
I do wonder though if this IS the new normal coming. Woke-ness? It has good parts and some bad parts for sure.
It was not directed at any one person. Just trying to keep the peace and spread some love. Did you watch what Rachel Maddow said about the election trend with VA and NJ? She found some better news for Dems. Then there's the James Carville comment about being woke that I haven't looked into yet...we could discuss that stuff. You decide which thread, ok?
He went on, saying that what he sees as wokeness “has a suppressive effect all across the country on Democrats.”
“Some
of these people need to go to a ‘woke’ detox center or something,” he
said. “They’re expressing a language that people just don’t use and
there’s backlash and a frustration at that.”
Couldn't agree more. The whole "woke" attitude simply reeks of arrogant self-righteousness. It' a major turn-off to the average moderate thinking person and an insult to people sincerely trying to make positive progressive change happen in this country. It's the kind of attitude that is helping build the radical right.
It might be helping build the radical right, but what it's definitely doing is turning off people from the Democratic Party. Whether those turned-off people join the GOP or vote republican in presidential and senate races around the country remain to be seen. But the Virginia governor race isn't a good sign for the Dems.
Ya know, when I watched the George Floyd killing, like anybody, I thought it was terrible and (stupidly) felt this would be a coming-together moment for the country. And within days, it turned into "white people are evil."
People that support the woke agenda want history taught as it was. That's fine. If they want chapter one of an American History textbook to depict white Europeans invading the jungles of West Africa and enslaving the natives, have at it, because that really happened. But don't be teaching that in 2021, whites are oppressors and blacks are oppressed.
And enough with the propaganda. Did you see Colin Kaepernick's Netflix thing that compared the NFL combine to a slave auction? It's fucking insulting to the slaves! Those were real people that suffered. You can't on one hand want to teach history (1619 project, CRT, etc.) and on the other hand, weaponize it with dangerous, manipulative propaganda. Sorry, but the white guy that might be the boss at your job is not tantamount to a slave owner.
It was not directed at any one person. Just trying to keep the peace and spread some love. Did you watch what Rachel Maddow said about the election trend with VA and NJ? She found some better news for Dems. Then there's the James Carville comment about being woke that I haven't looked into yet...we could discuss that stuff. You decide which thread, ok?
He went on, saying that what he sees as wokeness “has a suppressive effect all across the country on Democrats.”
“Some
of these people need to go to a ‘woke’ detox center or something,” he
said. “They’re expressing a language that people just don’t use and
there’s backlash and a frustration at that.”
Couldn't agree more. The whole "woke" attitude simply reeks of arrogant self-righteousness. It' a major turn-off to the average moderate thinking person and an insult to people sincerely trying to make positive progressive change happen in this country. It's the kind of attitude that is helping build the radical right.
Thing is...I think it's not the majority of the party. But it's the loudest and since Republicans are better at politics, they're pretty easily able label every dem as a woke, defund the police wantin', socialist pig---And, even though it's bullshit, it wins the argument because it's an easy one to make.
And I think the "loudest" that you speak of are the talking heads on MSNBC. Joy Reid and Nicole Wallace do more damage to the democratic party's election chances than far-left-leaning elected officials like AOC or Bernie could ever do. Go back and watch them during the Dem primary in 2020. Over and over they'd suggest that the last thing we need is another white man like Biden.....until that's exactly what they needed to beat Trump.
The only good thing that I saw from the VA gov election was that Youngkin distanced himself from tRump. He won...but it wasn't because he was clinging to tRump in any way. And yes I understand that he was throwing out similar stupidity but I think that distancing is significant.
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It was not directed at any one person. Just trying to keep the peace and spread some love. Did you watch what Rachel Maddow said about the election trend with VA and NJ? She found some better news for Dems. Then there's the James Carville comment about being woke that I haven't looked into yet...we could discuss that stuff. You decide which thread, ok?
He went on, saying that what he sees as wokeness “has a suppressive effect all across the country on Democrats.”
“Some
of these people need to go to a ‘woke’ detox center or something,” he
said. “They’re expressing a language that people just don’t use and
there’s backlash and a frustration at that.”
Couldn't agree more. The whole "woke" attitude simply reeks of arrogant self-righteousness. It' a major turn-off to the average moderate thinking person and an insult to people sincerely trying to make positive progressive change happen in this country. It's the kind of attitude that is helping build the radical right.
It might be helping build the radical right, but what it's definitely doing is turning off people from the Democratic Party. Whether those turned-off people join the GOP or vote republican in presidential and senate races around the country remain to be seen. But the Virginia governor race isn't a good sign for the Dems.
Ya know, when I watched the George Floyd killing, like anybody, I thought it was terrible and (stupidly) felt this would be a coming-together moment for the country. And within days, it turned into "white people are evil."
People that support the woke agenda want history taught as it was. That's fine. If they want chapter one of an American History textbook to depict white Europeans invading the jungles of West Africa and enslaving the natives, have at it, because that really happened. But don't be teaching that in 2021, whites are oppressors and blacks are oppressed.
And enough with the propaganda. Did you see Colin Kaepernick's Netflix thing that compared the NFL combine to a slave auction? It's fucking insulting to the slaves! Those were real people that suffered. You can't on one hand want to teach history (1619 project, CRT, etc.) and on the other hand, weaponize it with dangerous, manipulative propaganda. Sorry, but the white guy that might be the boss at your job is not tantamount to a slave owner.
Yeah, I agree with a lot of this. I will say, in defense of Black Lives Matter, Kaepernick, and black political activists, that there is good reason to be angry. I remember clear back in 1969 walking into the student union at S.F. state and listening to Dick Gregory speak to a large, almost exclusively black audience about the need to empower black Americans and put an end to racism and oppression. It was left a huge impression on me. There was anger toward whites from Gregory (I kept my raggedy ass hippy looking self well back and off to the side), but there was also a lot of remonstrating of his black audience to do more to be proactive. The black power movement was huge and there has been some progress made, but the needle on the gauge has moved very slowly and not far enough, so I understand the outrage of black activists today. What I can't/ won't accept is the white-bashing angry separatist hate towards whites that some of those activists propose. Sorry, but I am not going to off myself or feel guilty for being white. That's just not reasonable.
"Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!" -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
It was not directed at any one person. Just trying to keep the peace and spread some love. Did you watch what Rachel Maddow said about the election trend with VA and NJ? She found some better news for Dems. Then there's the James Carville comment about being woke that I haven't looked into yet...we could discuss that stuff. You decide which thread, ok?
He went on, saying that what he sees as wokeness “has a suppressive effect all across the country on Democrats.”
“Some
of these people need to go to a ‘woke’ detox center or something,” he
said. “They’re expressing a language that people just don’t use and
there’s backlash and a frustration at that.”
Couldn't agree more. The whole "woke" attitude simply reeks of arrogant self-righteousness. It' a major turn-off to the average moderate thinking person and an insult to people sincerely trying to make positive progressive change happen in this country. It's the kind of attitude that is helping build the radical right.
Thing is...I think it's not the majority of the party. But it's the loudest and since Republicans are better at politics, they're pretty easily able label every dem as a woke, defund the police wantin', socialist pig---And, even though it's bullshit, it wins the argument because it's an easy one to make.
And I think the "loudest" that you speak of are the talking heads on MSNBC. Joy Reid and Nicole Wallace do more damage to the democratic party's election chances than far-left-leaning elected officials like AOC or Bernie could ever do. Go back and watch them during the Dem primary in 2020. Over and over they'd suggest that the last thing we need is another white man like Biden.....until that's exactly what they needed to beat Trump.
I think its funny that AOC and Bernie are still considered "Far Left".... They get in line with the establishment dems every time and do zero for the working class. This "take over" by the far left is a joke... When was the last time these so-called "Far Left Leaders" ever went and sat with workers striking or even speak out in a way that actually matters... Leaders? We have no Left Leaders.
BTW... Corporate paid Cable News talking heads aren't the Left....
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"The heart and mind are the true lens of the camera." - Yusuf Karsh
It was not directed at any one person. Just trying to keep the peace and spread some love. Did you watch what Rachel Maddow said about the election trend with VA and NJ? She found some better news for Dems. Then there's the James Carville comment about being woke that I haven't looked into yet...we could discuss that stuff. You decide which thread, ok?
He went on, saying that what he sees as wokeness “has a suppressive effect all across the country on Democrats.”
“Some
of these people need to go to a ‘woke’ detox center or something,” he
said. “They’re expressing a language that people just don’t use and
there’s backlash and a frustration at that.”
Couldn't agree more. The whole "woke" attitude simply reeks of arrogant self-righteousness. It' a major turn-off to the average moderate thinking person and an insult to people sincerely trying to make positive progressive change happen in this country. It's the kind of attitude that is helping build the radical right.
It might be helping build the radical right, but what it's definitely doing is turning off people from the Democratic Party. Whether those turned-off people join the GOP or vote republican in presidential and senate races around the country remain to be seen. But the Virginia governor race isn't a good sign for the Dems.
Ya know, when I watched the George Floyd killing, like anybody, I thought it was terrible and (stupidly) felt this would be a coming-together moment for the country. And within days, it turned into "white people are evil."
People that support the woke agenda want history taught as it was. That's fine. If they want chapter one of an American History textbook to depict white Europeans invading the jungles of West Africa and enslaving the natives, have at it, because that really happened. But don't be teaching that in 2021, whites are oppressors and blacks are oppressed.
And enough with the propaganda. Did you see Colin Kaepernick's Netflix thing that compared the NFL combine to a slave auction? It's fucking insulting to the slaves! Those were real people that suffered. You can't on one hand want to teach history (1619 project, CRT, etc.) and on the other hand, weaponize it with dangerous, manipulative propaganda. Sorry, but the white guy that might be the boss at your job is not tantamount to a slave owner.
Yeah, I agree with a lot of this. I will say, in defense of Black Lives Matter, Kaepernick, and black political activists, that there is good reason to be angry. I remember clear back in 1969 walking into the student union at S.F. state and listening to Dick Gregory speak to a large, almost exclusively black audience about the need to empower black Americans and put an end to racism and oppression. It was left a huge impression on me. There was anger toward whites from Gregory (I kept my raggedy ass hippy looking self well back and off to the side), but there was also a lot of remonstrating of his black audience to do more to be proactive. The black power movement was huge and there has been some progress made, but the needle on the gauge has moved very slowly and not far enough, so I understand the outrage of black activists today. What I can't/ won't accept is the white-bashing angry separatist hate towards whites that some of those activists propose. Sorry, but I am not going to off myself or feel guilty for being white. That's just not reasonable.
I agree. I take no issue with Kaepernick being an activist and was actually on-board with his kneeling protest. Around the same time he started it, some overly-radical BLM protesters shot and killed police officers in Texas. Well they're protesting the same thing Kaepernick is, but one is as non-violent as you can be (kneeling when you should be standing), and the other is overly violent (murder). So I get your defense of them. But at the same time, I think he (and people like him) have weaponized it and turned it into what you describe in the second part I bolded.
So explain the white fueled anger and the storming of the capitol to me. What’s their grievance? Because I don’t understand it. Anyone?
Not all pissed off Americans are "Trumpers" or stormed the capital.... 1 simple example...How long have Dems ran on "We will lower prescription drug prices"? 15? 20 years? ...yet every time they have a majority it doesn't get done.
Increasing the minimum wage? Enhanced Medicare? Nope, can't afford that... But ......
$29 Billion in Military Funding Tucked Inside Proposed Coronavirus Relief Package
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"The heart and mind are the true lens of the camera." - Yusuf Karsh
So explain the white fueled anger and the storming of the capitol to me. What’s their grievance? Because I don’t understand it. Anyone?
Not all pissed off Americans are "Trumpers" or stormed the capital.... 1 simple example...How long have Dems ran on "We will lower prescription drug prices"? 15? 20 years? ...yet every time they have a majority it doesn't get done.
Increasing the minimum wage? Enhanced Medicare? Nope, can't afford that... But ......
$29 Billion in Military Funding Tucked Inside Proposed Coronavirus Relief Package
What are the repub solutions or alternatives to what you posted or better yet, their alternatives to Biden’s Build Back Better legislation? Repubs won’t even allow debate on renewing the Voting Rights Act. Seems you’re only blaming Dems?
So explain the white fueled anger and the storming of the capitol to me. What’s their grievance? Because I don’t understand it. Anyone?
Not all pissed off Americans are "Trumpers" or stormed the capital.... 1 simple example...How long have Dems ran on "We will lower prescription drug prices"? 15? 20 years? ...yet every time they have a majority it doesn't get done.
Increasing the minimum wage? Enhanced Medicare? Nope, can't afford that... But ......
$29 Billion in Military Funding Tucked Inside Proposed Coronavirus Relief Package
What are the repub solutions or alternatives to what you posted or better yet, their alternatives to Biden’s Build Back Better legislation? Repubs won’t even allow debate on renewing the Voting Rights Act. Seems you’re only blaming Dems?
I have no clue what the Republican solution is... I'm not a Republican...but thanks for assuming...
Alternatives? Anything that will actually help people... pouring more money into the Military and continuing to give Corporations a pass is insane..
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"The heart and mind are the true lens of the camera." - Yusuf Karsh
It was not directed at any one person. Just trying to keep the peace and spread some love. Did you watch what Rachel Maddow said about the election trend with VA and NJ? She found some better news for Dems. Then there's the James Carville comment about being woke that I haven't looked into yet...we could discuss that stuff. You decide which thread, ok?
He went on, saying that what he sees as wokeness “has a suppressive effect all across the country on Democrats.”
“Some
of these people need to go to a ‘woke’ detox center or something,” he
said. “They’re expressing a language that people just don’t use and
there’s backlash and a frustration at that.”
Couldn't agree more. The whole "woke" attitude simply reeks of arrogant self-righteousness. It' a major turn-off to the average moderate thinking person and an insult to people sincerely trying to make positive progressive change happen in this country. It's the kind of attitude that is helping build the radical right.
It might be helping build the radical right, but what it's definitely doing is turning off people from the Democratic Party. Whether those turned-off people join the GOP or vote republican in presidential and senate races around the country remain to be seen. But the Virginia governor race isn't a good sign for the Dems.
Ya know, when I watched the George Floyd killing, like anybody, I thought it was terrible and (stupidly) felt this would be a coming-together moment for the country. And within days, it turned into "white people are evil."
People that support the woke agenda want history taught as it was. That's fine. If they want chapter one of an American History textbook to depict white Europeans invading the jungles of West Africa and enslaving the natives, have at it, because that really happened. But don't be teaching that in 2021, whites are oppressors and blacks are oppressed.
And enough with the propaganda. Did you see Colin Kaepernick's Netflix thing that compared the NFL combine to a slave auction? It's fucking insulting to the slaves! Those were real people that suffered. You can't on one hand want to teach history (1619 project, CRT, etc.) and on the other hand, weaponize it with dangerous, manipulative propaganda. Sorry, but the white guy that might be the boss at your job is not tantamount to a slave owner.
First bolded...When did anyone with influence in the democratic party or the left in general ever suggest this..I heard this on am radio and fox but not from any actual dem or leftist influential types.
2nd bolded...I though the case was that white people are benefitting from a long history of whiteness and oppressing of Blacks and minorities, not that they are as a whole actually consciously oppressing anyone. Again this is not a point I have seen suggested by Dems, left media or leftists. In general the case can be made that the prevailing culture of whiteness is oppressive to minorities, but I am not seeing anyone suggesting that all of us white people are out and out running around oppressing people. I guess nuance has been lost.
So explain the white fueled anger and the storming of the capitol to me. What’s their grievance? Because I don’t understand it. Anyone?
Not all pissed off Americans are "Trumpers" or stormed the capital.... 1 simple example...How long have Dems ran on "We will lower prescription drug prices"? 15? 20 years? ...yet every time they have a majority it doesn't get done.
Increasing the minimum wage? Enhanced Medicare? Nope, can't afford that... But ......
$29 Billion in Military Funding Tucked Inside Proposed Coronavirus Relief Package
What are the repub solutions or alternatives to what you posted or better yet, their alternatives to Biden’s Build Back Better legislation? Repubs won’t even allow debate on renewing the Voting Rights Act. Seems you’re only blaming Dems?
I have no clue what the Republican solution is... I'm not a Republican...but thanks for assuming...
Alternatives? Anything that will actually help people... pouring more money into the Military and continuing to give Corporations a pass is insane..
I didn't assume that you were a repub. I just asked if you knew what their solutions were? Dems and Indys can know these things, if they exist. I'm still looking for repub solutions to any of our pressing issues.
Have you looked at the Build Back Better Plan? Do you see what Biden is trying to get through?
It was not directed at any one person. Just trying to keep the peace and spread some love. Did you watch what Rachel Maddow said about the election trend with VA and NJ? She found some better news for Dems. Then there's the James Carville comment about being woke that I haven't looked into yet...we could discuss that stuff. You decide which thread, ok?
He went on, saying that what he sees as wokeness “has a suppressive effect all across the country on Democrats.”
“Some
of these people need to go to a ‘woke’ detox center or something,” he
said. “They’re expressing a language that people just don’t use and
there’s backlash and a frustration at that.”
Couldn't agree more. The whole "woke" attitude simply reeks of arrogant self-righteousness. It' a major turn-off to the average moderate thinking person and an insult to people sincerely trying to make positive progressive change happen in this country. It's the kind of attitude that is helping build the radical right.
It might be helping build the radical right, but what it's definitely doing is turning off people from the Democratic Party. Whether those turned-off people join the GOP or vote republican in presidential and senate races around the country remain to be seen. But the Virginia governor race isn't a good sign for the Dems.
Ya know, when I watched the George Floyd killing, like anybody, I thought it was terrible and (stupidly) felt this would be a coming-together moment for the country. And within days, it turned into "white people are evil."
People that support the woke agenda want history taught as it was. That's fine. If they want chapter one of an American History textbook to depict white Europeans invading the jungles of West Africa and enslaving the natives, have at it, because that really happened. But don't be teaching that in 2021, whites are oppressors and blacks are oppressed.
And enough with the propaganda. Did you see Colin Kaepernick's Netflix thing that compared the NFL combine to a slave auction? It's fucking insulting to the slaves! Those were real people that suffered. You can't on one hand want to teach history (1619 project, CRT, etc.) and on the other hand, weaponize it with dangerous, manipulative propaganda. Sorry, but the white guy that might be the boss at your job is not tantamount to a slave owner.
First bolded...When did anyone with influence in the democratic party or the left in general ever suggest this..I heard this on am radio and fox but not from any actual dem or leftist influential types.
2nd bolded...I though the case was that white people are benefitting from a long history of whiteness and oppressing of Blacks and minorities, not that they are as a whole actually consciously oppressing anyone. Again this is not a point I have seen suggested by Dems, left media or leftists. In general the case can be made that the prevailing culture of whiteness is oppressive to minorities, but I am not seeing anyone suggesting that all of us white people are out and out running around oppressing people. I guess nuance has been lost.
Institutionalized racism is alive and well. And keeping it that way motivates some people.
So explain the white fueled anger and the storming of the capitol to me. What’s their grievance? Because I don’t understand it. Anyone?
Not all pissed off Americans are "Trumpers" or stormed the capital.... 1 simple example...How long have Dems ran on "We will lower prescription drug prices"? 15? 20 years? ...yet every time they have a majority it doesn't get done.
Increasing the minimum wage? Enhanced Medicare? Nope, can't afford that... But ......
$29 Billion in Military Funding Tucked Inside Proposed Coronavirus Relief Package
What are the repub solutions or alternatives to what you posted or better yet, their alternatives to Biden’s Build Back Better legislation? Repubs won’t even allow debate on renewing the Voting Rights Act. Seems you’re only blaming Dems?
I have no clue what the Republican solution is... I'm not a Republican...but thanks for assuming...
Alternatives? Anything that will actually help people... pouring more money into the Military and continuing to give Corporations a pass is insane..
I didn't assume that you were a repub. I just asked if you knew what their solutions were? Dems and Indys can know these things, if they exist. I'm still looking for repub solutions to any of our pressing issues.
Have you looked at the Build Back Better Plan? Do you see what Biden is trying to get through?
My apologies for assuming...
I know what has been cut...
Medicare Drug Price Negotiation
Paid Family Leave
Two Years of Free Community College
Medicare Dental, Vision & Hearing Coverage
Yet 29 billion added to already bulging Trillion $ Defense budget.. ..experts say, 20 billion would cure the homeless issue..but lets throw more money away to the continued Empire strategy.
"Trying to get through" is the key phrase,,,,
As Corporate Dems Belly-Ache Over Social Investments, Senate Panel Approves Extra $29 Billion for Pentagon
Ya'll don't understand what happened here in VA. This is a centrist state and the center has been repulsed by Trump. Youngkin didn't talk about guns, abortion, the border, China... none of it. Not one commercial or rally on those topics. He promised to pass the largest education budget in our history. He stayed on kitchen table issues. He also promised to repeal the grocery tax (which is fucking annoying).
You can ask me what Terry's key issue was.. I honestly couldn't tell you. He ran a bad campaign. It was lethargic and it felt like he was phoning it in. It was very poorly done. The result is that independents when from +19 Biden to -9 Terry. And it didn't help that Terry said something stupid about parents and what is taught.. and that turned into a commercial I saw 50x while watching football. Literally.
So it wasn't necessarily wokeness, but they made education (and CRT) an issue. But it goes further than just that. It was a bad campaign.
It was not directed at any one person. Just trying to keep the peace and spread some love. Did you watch what Rachel Maddow said about the election trend with VA and NJ? She found some better news for Dems. Then there's the James Carville comment about being woke that I haven't looked into yet...we could discuss that stuff. You decide which thread, ok?
He went on, saying that what he sees as wokeness “has a suppressive effect all across the country on Democrats.”
“Some
of these people need to go to a ‘woke’ detox center or something,” he
said. “They’re expressing a language that people just don’t use and
there’s backlash and a frustration at that.”
Couldn't agree more. The whole "woke" attitude simply reeks of arrogant self-righteousness. It' a major turn-off to the average moderate thinking person and an insult to people sincerely trying to make positive progressive change happen in this country. It's the kind of attitude that is helping build the radical right.
It might be helping build the radical right, but what it's definitely doing is turning off people from the Democratic Party. Whether those turned-off people join the GOP or vote republican in presidential and senate races around the country remain to be seen. But the Virginia governor race isn't a good sign for the Dems.
Ya know, when I watched the George Floyd killing, like anybody, I thought it was terrible and (stupidly) felt this would be a coming-together moment for the country. And within days, it turned into "white people are evil."
People that support the woke agenda want history taught as it was. That's fine. If they want chapter one of an American History textbook to depict white Europeans invading the jungles of West Africa and enslaving the natives, have at it, because that really happened. But don't be teaching that in 2021, whites are oppressors and blacks are oppressed.
And enough with the propaganda. Did you see Colin Kaepernick's Netflix thing that compared the NFL combine to a slave auction? It's fucking insulting to the slaves! Those were real people that suffered. You can't on one hand want to teach history (1619 project, CRT, etc.) and on the other hand, weaponize it with dangerous, manipulative propaganda. Sorry, but the white guy that might be the boss at your job is not tantamount to a slave owner.
First bolded...When did anyone with influence in the democratic party or the left in general ever suggest this..I heard this on am radio and fox but not from any actual dem or leftist influential types.
2nd bolded...I though the case was that white people are benefitting from a long history of whiteness and oppressing of Blacks and minorities, not that they are as a whole actually consciously oppressing anyone. Again this is not a point I have seen suggested by Dems, left media or leftists. In general the case can be made that the prevailing culture of whiteness is oppressive to minorities, but I am not seeing anyone suggesting that all of us white people are out and out running around oppressing people. I guess nuance has been lost.
Well yeah nobody comes out and says verbatim “white peoples are evil,” but just like there’s dog whistling on the right, there’s dog whistling on the left.
Ya'll don't understand what happened here in VA. This is a centrist state and the center has been repulsed by Trump. Youngkin didn't talk about guns, abortion, the border, China... none of it. Not one commercial or rally on those topics. He promised to pass the largest education budget in our history. He stayed on kitchen table issues. He also promised to repeal the grocery tax (which is fucking annoying).
You can ask me what Terry's key issue was.. I honestly couldn't tell you. He ran a bad campaign. It was lethargic and it felt like he was phoning it in. It was very poorly done. The result is that independents when from +19 Biden to -9 Terry. And it didn't help that Terry said something stupid about parents and what is taught.. and that turned into a commercial I saw 50x while watching football. Literally.
So it wasn't necessarily wokeness, but they made education (and CRT) an issue. But it goes further than just that. It was a bad campaign.
This will happen again and again across the country, especially now they know its a winning strategy.
Simply saying Biden or the Dems are the "better of two evils" isn't going to cut it again.
Also...these Covid Mandates will sink the Democrats in mid-terms and for President... The party that has always been Pro-Choice is now the party of Medical Mandates? No hypocrisy here folks.. keep it moving..
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"The heart and mind are the true lens of the camera." - Yusuf Karsh
Ya'll don't understand what happened here in VA. This is a centrist state and the center has been repulsed by Trump. Youngkin didn't talk about guns, abortion, the border, China... none of it. Not one commercial or rally on those topics. He promised to pass the largest education budget in our history. He stayed on kitchen table issues. He also promised to repeal the grocery tax (which is fucking annoying).
You can ask me what Terry's key issue was.. I honestly couldn't tell you. He ran a bad campaign. It was lethargic and it felt like he was phoning it in. It was very poorly done. The result is that independents when from +19 Biden to -9 Terry. And it didn't help that Terry said something stupid about parents and what is taught.. and that turned into a commercial I saw 50x while watching football. Literally.
So it wasn't necessarily wokeness, but they made education (and CRT) an issue. But it goes further than just that. It was a bad campaign.
This will happen again and again across the country, especially now they know its a winning strategy.
Simply saying Biden or the Dems are the "better of two evils" isn't going to cut it again.
Also...these Covid Mandates will sink the Democrats in mid-terms and for President... The party that has always been Pro-Choice is now the party of Medical Mandates? No hypocrisy here folks.. keep it moving..
That's not hypocrisy. Abortion isn't a public health issue, that's a personal health issue. You can choose not to get vaxxed, just don't come around me. Big difference.
Second, if this is the playbook the R's use in the future, then I say "Thank the friggin Maker". Youngkin avoided Trump like the plague. Trump tried to claim victory, pathetically sending out four releases trying to ride Glenn's coattails. Everyone knows that had he attached himself to Trump, he would have lost. Exit polling here had Trump at 42. It had Youngkin over 50.
It was not directed at any one person. Just trying to keep the peace and spread some love. Did you watch what Rachel Maddow said about the election trend with VA and NJ? She found some better news for Dems. Then there's the James Carville comment about being woke that I haven't looked into yet...we could discuss that stuff. You decide which thread, ok?
He went on, saying that what he sees as wokeness “has a suppressive effect all across the country on Democrats.”
“Some
of these people need to go to a ‘woke’ detox center or something,” he
said. “They’re expressing a language that people just don’t use and
there’s backlash and a frustration at that.”
Couldn't agree more. The whole "woke" attitude simply reeks of arrogant self-righteousness. It' a major turn-off to the average moderate thinking person and an insult to people sincerely trying to make positive progressive change happen in this country. It's the kind of attitude that is helping build the radical right.
It might be helping build the radical right, but what it's definitely doing is turning off people from the Democratic Party. Whether those turned-off people join the GOP or vote republican in presidential and senate races around the country remain to be seen. But the Virginia governor race isn't a good sign for the Dems.
Ya know, when I watched the George Floyd killing, like anybody, I thought it was terrible and (stupidly) felt this would be a coming-together moment for the country. And within days, it turned into "white people are evil."
People that support the woke agenda want history taught as it was. That's fine. If they want chapter one of an American History textbook to depict white Europeans invading the jungles of West Africa and enslaving the natives, have at it, because that really happened. But don't be teaching that in 2021, whites are oppressors and blacks are oppressed.
And enough with the propaganda. Did you see Colin Kaepernick's Netflix thing that compared the NFL combine to a slave auction? It's fucking insulting to the slaves! Those were real people that suffered. You can't on one hand want to teach history (1619 project, CRT, etc.) and on the other hand, weaponize it with dangerous, manipulative propaganda. Sorry, but the white guy that might be the boss at your job is not tantamount to a slave owner.
First bolded...When did anyone with influence in the democratic party or the left in general ever suggest this..I heard this on am radio and fox but not from any actual dem or leftist influential types.
2nd bolded...I though the case was that white people are benefitting from a long history of whiteness and oppressing of Blacks and minorities, not that they are as a whole actually consciously oppressing anyone. Again this is not a point I have seen suggested by Dems, left media or leftists. In general the case can be made that the prevailing culture of whiteness is oppressive to minorities, but I am not seeing anyone suggesting that all of us white people are out and out running around oppressing people. I guess nuance has been lost.
Well yeah nobody comes out and says verbatim “white peoples are evil,” but just like there’s dog whistling on the right, there’s dog whistling on the left.
what are you talking about? So no white people of the left? White progressives think they themselves are evil? This makes little sense..
Saying that blacks or people of color have had a more difficult time in our countrys history isn't saying all white people are evil.. Like drug or alcohol addition...to get over it you just admit you have a problem.. We have a problem!
"The heart and mind are the true lens of the camera." - Yusuf Karsh
Ya'll don't understand what happened here in VA. This is a centrist state and the center has been repulsed by Trump. Youngkin didn't talk about guns, abortion, the border, China... none of it. Not one commercial or rally on those topics. He promised to pass the largest education budget in our history. He stayed on kitchen table issues. He also promised to repeal the grocery tax (which is fucking annoying).
You can ask me what Terry's key issue was.. I honestly couldn't tell you. He ran a bad campaign. It was lethargic and it felt like he was phoning it in. It was very poorly done. The result is that independents when from +19 Biden to -9 Terry. And it didn't help that Terry said something stupid about parents and what is taught.. and that turned into a commercial I saw 50x while watching football. Literally.
So it wasn't necessarily wokeness, but they made education (and CRT) an issue. But it goes further than just that. It was a bad campaign.
This will happen again and again across the country, especially now they know its a winning strategy.
Simply saying Biden or the Dems are the "better of two evils" isn't going to cut it again.
Also...these Covid Mandates will sink the Democrats in mid-terms and for President... The party that has always been Pro-Choice is now the party of Medical Mandates? No hypocrisy here folks.. keep it moving..
v You can choose not to get vaxxed, just don't come around me. Big difference.
Big Difference? The vaccine does NOT prevent you from shedding the virus and spreading it to others. If it worked like other vaccines then that would be true..The latest studies are showing declining protection after a few months.. so where's the Big Difference?
<h3> </h3><h1><b>Pfizer’s Vaccine Protection May Wane After 2 Months</b> </h1>
Oct 8, 2021 — For some people who got the vaccine, protection dropped as low as 20% between 5 and 7 months after the second dose.
On a political side... Biden, Pelosi, and Fauci all said there will never be mandates, its a choice...then a year later we're getting mandates will not fly well in the coming elections...
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"The heart and mind are the true lens of the camera." - Yusuf Karsh
Ya'll don't understand what happened here in VA. This is a centrist state and the center has been repulsed by Trump. Youngkin didn't talk about guns, abortion, the border, China... none of it. Not one commercial or rally on those topics. He promised to pass the largest education budget in our history. He stayed on kitchen table issues. He also promised to repeal the grocery tax (which is fucking annoying).
You can ask me what Terry's key issue was.. I honestly couldn't tell you. He ran a bad campaign. It was lethargic and it felt like he was phoning it in. It was very poorly done. The result is that independents when from +19 Biden to -9 Terry. And it didn't help that Terry said something stupid about parents and what is taught.. and that turned into a commercial I saw 50x while watching football. Literally.
So it wasn't necessarily wokeness, but they made education (and CRT) an issue. But it goes further than just that. It was a bad campaign.
This will happen again and again across the country, especially now they know its a winning strategy.
Simply saying Biden or the Dems are the "better of two evils" isn't going to cut it again.
Also...these Covid Mandates will sink the Democrats in mid-terms and for President... The party that has always been Pro-Choice is now the party of Medical Mandates? No hypocrisy here folks.. keep it moving..
v You can choose not to get vaxxed, just don't come around me. Big difference.
Big Difference? The vaccine does NOT prevent you from shedding the virus and spreading it to others. If it worked like other vaccines then that would be true..The latest studies are showing declining protection after a few months.. so where's the Big Difference?
<h3> </h3><h1><b>Pfizer’s Vaccine Protection May Wane After 2 Months</b> </h1>
Oct 8, 2021 — For some people who got the vaccine, protection dropped as low as 20% between 5 and 7 months after the second dose.
Yes, you can spread the disease if you catch it. However, you have to catch it to spread the disease. Therefore if you have a 90% immunity in M2 that drops over time, you are still less likely to spread something that YOU DID NOT CATCH. It's pretty simple math. And yes, it drops but that's why there are boosters. And that's why the CDC recommends an influenza shot yearly as well, because immunity drops. This isn't new or rocket science here.
Oh and nice use of conditionals all over that article.. "may, could, as low as, some people" These are all so scary. I can't believe I got the vaccine.
Ya'll don't understand what happened here in VA. This is a centrist state and the center has been repulsed by Trump. Youngkin didn't talk about guns, abortion, the border, China... none of it. Not one commercial or rally on those topics. He promised to pass the largest education budget in our history. He stayed on kitchen table issues. He also promised to repeal the grocery tax (which is fucking annoying).
You can ask me what Terry's key issue was.. I honestly couldn't tell you. He ran a bad campaign. It was lethargic and it felt like he was phoning it in. It was very poorly done. The result is that independents when from +19 Biden to -9 Terry. And it didn't help that Terry said something stupid about parents and what is taught.. and that turned into a commercial I saw 50x while watching football. Literally.
So it wasn't necessarily wokeness, but they made education (and CRT) an issue. But it goes further than just that. It was a bad campaign.
This will happen again and again across the country, especially now they know its a winning strategy.
Simply saying Biden or the Dems are the "better of two evils" isn't going to cut it again.
Also...these Covid Mandates will sink the Democrats in mid-terms and for President... The party that has always been Pro-Choice is now the party of Medical Mandates? No hypocrisy here folks.. keep it moving..
v You can choose not to get vaxxed, just don't come around me. Big difference.
Big Difference? The vaccine does NOT prevent you from shedding the virus and spreading it to others. If it worked like other vaccines then that would be true..The latest studies are showing declining protection after a few months.. so where's the Big Difference?
<h3> </h3><h1><b>Pfizer’s Vaccine Protection May Wane After 2 Months</b> </h1>
Oct 8, 2021 — For some people who got the vaccine, protection dropped as low as 20% between 5 and 7 months after the second dose.
Yes, you can spread the disease if you catch it. However, you have to catch it to spread the disease. Therefore if you have a 90% immunity in M2 that drops over time, you are still less likely to spread something that YOU DID NOT CATCH. It's pretty simple math. And yes, it drops but that's why there are boosters. And that's why the CDC recommends an influenza shot yearly as well, because immunity drops. This isn't new or rocket science here.
Oh and nice use of conditionals all over that article.. "may, could, as low as, some people" These are all so scary. I can't believe I got the vaccine.
90% immunity? I wish..... I read every day about "Break Through" cases.... When are they just going to be called CASES? Every Day...its reported that so and so gets Covid even through they are vaxxed...
I copied the article of the study on WebMD... not Trump .com
I don't want to get into the vaccine debate... I just believe that if you want to continue to call this the "Freest Country on Earth" then you can't have medical MANDATES... btw I am vaccinated...
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"The heart and mind are the true lens of the camera." - Yusuf Karsh
It was not directed at any one person. Just trying to keep the peace and spread some love. Did you watch what Rachel Maddow said about the election trend with VA and NJ? She found some better news for Dems. Then there's the James Carville comment about being woke that I haven't looked into yet...we could discuss that stuff. You decide which thread, ok?
He went on, saying that what he sees as wokeness “has a suppressive effect all across the country on Democrats.”
“Some
of these people need to go to a ‘woke’ detox center or something,” he
said. “They’re expressing a language that people just don’t use and
there’s backlash and a frustration at that.”
Couldn't agree more. The whole "woke" attitude simply reeks of arrogant self-righteousness. It' a major turn-off to the average moderate thinking person and an insult to people sincerely trying to make positive progressive change happen in this country. It's the kind of attitude that is helping build the radical right.
It might be helping build the radical right, but what it's definitely doing is turning off people from the Democratic Party. Whether those turned-off people join the GOP or vote republican in presidential and senate races around the country remain to be seen. But the Virginia governor race isn't a good sign for the Dems.
Ya know, when I watched the George Floyd killing, like anybody, I thought it was terrible and (stupidly) felt this would be a coming-together moment for the country. And within days, it turned into "white people are evil."
People that support the woke agenda want history taught as it was. That's fine. If they want chapter one of an American History textbook to depict white Europeans invading the jungles of West Africa and enslaving the natives, have at it, because that really happened. But don't be teaching that in 2021, whites are oppressors and blacks are oppressed.
And enough with the propaganda. Did you see Colin Kaepernick's Netflix thing that compared the NFL combine to a slave auction? It's fucking insulting to the slaves! Those were real people that suffered. You can't on one hand want to teach history (1619 project, CRT, etc.) and on the other hand, weaponize it with dangerous, manipulative propaganda. Sorry, but the white guy that might be the boss at your job is not tantamount to a slave owner.
First bolded...When did anyone with influence in the democratic party or the left in general ever suggest this..I heard this on am radio and fox but not from any actual dem or leftist influential types.
2nd bolded...I though the case was that white people are benefitting from a long history of whiteness and oppressing of Blacks and minorities, not that they are as a whole actually consciously oppressing anyone. Again this is not a point I have seen suggested by Dems, left media or leftists. In general the case can be made that the prevailing culture of whiteness is oppressive to minorities, but I am not seeing anyone suggesting that all of us white people are out and out running around oppressing people. I guess nuance has been lost.
Well yeah nobody comes out and says verbatim “white peoples are evil,” but just like there’s dog whistling on the right, there’s dog whistling on the left.
what are you talking about? So no white people of the left? White progressives think they themselves are evil? This makes little sense..
Saying that blacks or people of color have had a more difficult time in our countrys history isn't saying all white people are evil.. Like drug or alcohol addition...to get over it you just admit you have a problem.. We have a problem!
You haven’t noticed a wave of “white guilt” over the past year and a half on the left? Or suggesting that everything is white supremacy? Including but not limited to voter ID laws, being against illegal immigration, and voting for a republican for governor of Virginia?
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I do wonder though if this IS the new normal coming. Woke-ness? It has good parts and some bad parts for sure.
Ya know, when I watched the George Floyd killing, like anybody, I thought it was terrible and (stupidly) felt this would be a coming-together moment for the country. And within days, it turned into "white people are evil."
People that support the woke agenda want history taught as it was. That's fine. If they want chapter one of an American History textbook to depict white Europeans invading the jungles of West Africa and enslaving the natives, have at it, because that really happened. But don't be teaching that in 2021, whites are oppressors and blacks are oppressed.
And enough with the propaganda. Did you see Colin Kaepernick's Netflix thing that compared the NFL combine to a slave auction? It's fucking insulting to the slaves! Those were real people that suffered. You can't on one hand want to teach history (1619 project, CRT, etc.) and on the other hand, weaponize it with dangerous, manipulative propaganda. Sorry, but the white guy that might be the boss at your job is not tantamount to a slave owner.
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Dems be smart to listen to the old Rajun Cajun. I hope they don't.
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Yeah, I agree with a lot of this.
I will say, in defense of Black Lives Matter, Kaepernick, and black political activists, that there is good reason to be angry. I remember clear back in 1969 walking into the student union at S.F. state and listening to Dick Gregory speak to a large, almost exclusively black audience about the need to empower black Americans and put an end to racism and oppression. It was left a huge impression on me. There was anger toward whites from Gregory (I kept my raggedy ass hippy looking self well back and off to the side), but there was also a lot of remonstrating of his black audience to do more to be proactive. The black power movement was huge and there has been some progress made, but the needle on the gauge has moved very slowly and not far enough, so I understand the outrage of black activists today. What I can't/ won't accept is the white-bashing angry separatist hate towards whites that some of those activists propose. Sorry, but I am not going to off myself or feel guilty for being white. That's just not reasonable.
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
BTW... Corporate paid Cable News talking heads aren't the Left....
I agree. I take no issue with Kaepernick being an activist and was actually on-board with his kneeling protest. Around the same time he started it, some overly-radical BLM protesters shot and killed police officers in Texas. Well they're protesting the same thing Kaepernick is, but one is as non-violent as you can be (kneeling when you should be standing), and the other is overly violent (murder). So I get your defense of them. But at the same time, I think he (and people like him) have weaponized it and turned it into what you describe in the second part I bolded.
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Increasing the minimum wage? Enhanced Medicare? Nope, can't afford that... But ......
$29 Billion in Military Funding Tucked Inside Proposed Coronavirus Relief Package
2nd bolded...I though the case was that white people are benefitting from a long history of whiteness and oppressing of Blacks and minorities, not that they are as a whole actually consciously oppressing anyone. Again this is not a point I have seen suggested by Dems, left media or leftists. In general the case can be made that the prevailing culture of whiteness is oppressive to minorities, but I am not seeing anyone suggesting that all of us white people are out and out running around oppressing people. I guess nuance has been lost.
There are no kings inside the gates of eden
Have you looked at the Build Back Better Plan? Do you see what Biden is trying to get through?
I know what has been cut...
Medicare Drug Price Negotiation
Paid Family Leave
Two Years of Free Community College
Medicare Dental, Vision & Hearing Coverage
Yet 29 billion added to already bulging Trillion $ Defense budget.. ..experts say, 20 billion would cure the homeless issue..but lets throw more money away to the continued Empire strategy.
"Trying to get through" is the key phrase,,,,
As Corporate Dems Belly-Ache Over Social Investments, Senate Panel Approves Extra $29 Billion for Pentagon
https://www.nationalpriorities.org/pressroom/articles/2021/10/19/senate-panel-approves-extra-29-billion-pentagon/You can ask me what Terry's key issue was.. I honestly couldn't tell you. He ran a bad campaign. It was lethargic and it felt like he was phoning it in. It was very poorly done. The result is that independents when from +19 Biden to -9 Terry. And it didn't help that Terry said something stupid about parents and what is taught.. and that turned into a commercial I saw 50x while watching football. Literally.
So it wasn't necessarily wokeness, but they made education (and CRT) an issue. But it goes further than just that. It was a bad campaign.
Pearl Jam bootlegs:
http://wegotshit.blogspot.com
Simply saying Biden or the Dems are the "better of two evils" isn't going to cut it again.
Also...these Covid Mandates will sink the Democrats in mid-terms and for President... The party that has always been Pro-Choice is now the party of Medical Mandates? No hypocrisy here folks.. keep it moving..
Second, if this is the playbook the R's use in the future, then I say "Thank the friggin Maker". Youngkin avoided Trump like the plague. Trump tried to claim victory, pathetically sending out four releases trying to ride Glenn's coattails. Everyone knows that had he attached himself to Trump, he would have lost. Exit polling here had Trump at 42. It had Youngkin over 50.
Saying that blacks or people of color have had a more difficult time in our countrys history isn't saying all white people are evil.. Like drug or alcohol addition...to get over it you just admit you have a problem.. We have a problem!
<h3> </h3><h1><b>Pfizer’s Vaccine Protection May Wane After 2 Months</b> </h1>https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20211008/pfizer-vaccine-protection-may-wane-after-2-months
On a political side... Biden, Pelosi, and Fauci all said there will never be mandates, its a choice...then a year later we're getting mandates will not fly well in the coming elections...
Oh and nice use of conditionals all over that article.. "may, could, as low as, some people" These are all so scary. I can't believe I got the vaccine.
I copied the article of the study on WebMD... not Trump .com
https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20211008/pfizer-vaccine-protection-may-wane-after-2-months
I don't want to get into the vaccine debate... I just believe that if you want to continue to call this the "Freest Country on Earth" then you can't have medical MANDATES... btw I am vaccinated...
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