Cutting the line to get in is now seen as a good thing when it’s trying to be stopped.
Not understanding why people are supporting a free for all?
no matter how one crosses, they have the right to request asylum. per dept of state.....
This is 100% correct. Problem is that is not happening.
Someone mentioned that Republicans don’t want to fix immigration. Nether do Democrats. The Dreamer bill/executive order was a nice “see I care while I don’t” gesture.
I do not want people coming in illegally, I don’t want to see people hurt either.
I should save this for the immigration thread as we have people sleeping outside the hotels now who are asylum seekers. We do not have the resources to help all these people.
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Cutting the line to get in is now seen as a good thing when it’s trying to be stopped.
Not understanding why people are supporting a free for all?
no matter how one crosses, they have the right to request asylum. per dept of state.....
This is 100% correct. Problem is that is not happening.
Someone mentioned that Republicans don’t want to fix immigration. Nether do Democrats. The Dreamer bill/executive order was a nice “see I care while I don’t” gesture.
I do not want people coming in illegally, I don’t want to see people hurt either.
I should save this for the immigration thread as we have people sleeping outside the hotels now who are asylum seekers. We do not have the resources to help all these people.
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Cutting the line to get in is now seen as a good thing when it’s trying to be stopped.
Not understanding why people are supporting a free for all?
no matter how one crosses, they have the right to request asylum. per dept of state.....
This is 100% correct. Problem is that is not happening.
Someone mentioned that Republicans don’t want to fix immigration. Nether do Democrats. The Dreamer bill/executive order was a nice “see I care while I don’t” gesture.
I do not want people coming in illegally, I don’t want to see people hurt either.
I should save this for the immigration thread as we have people sleeping outside the hotels now who are asylum seekers. We do not have the resources to help all these people.
because they were bussed there by whom?
NY said they would take them. We have room for so many.
If Texas is still bussing more than what we can handle here I am not aware of that. Googling shortly.
It still doesn’t fix the problem of people on the streets. We can point fingers but we need solutions.
Cutting the line to get in is now seen as a good thing when it’s trying to be stopped.
Not understanding why people are supporting a free for all?
no matter how one crosses, they have the right to request asylum. per dept of state.....
This is 100% correct. Problem is that is not happening.
Someone mentioned that Republicans don’t want to fix immigration. Nether do Democrats. The Dreamer bill/executive order was a nice “see I care while I don’t” gesture.
I do not want people coming in illegally, I don’t want to see people hurt either.
I should save this for the immigration thread as we have people sleeping outside the hotels now who are asylum seekers. We do not have the resources to help all these people.
I thought I made my point well enough, but I'll clarify:
Republicans don't want to fix this because they have a vested interest in the immigration crisis, it drives their base to the poles.
trump knew this, that's why the wall was one of his campaign's primary platforms.
You said you don't understand why people are supporting a free for all... who is supporting a "free for all"?
I see articles from May but nothing of late. The one article about the Roosevelt being overcrowded had a story of someone from Africa coming to NY because he heard “it was a good place to go but wish I’d never come here.”
2500 a day coming in.
The scooters are coming more and more rampant on the streets.
I can totally see a turf war coming with delivery drivers here.
NY pleads for National help but Biden doesn’t give a shit either.
Cutting the line to get in is now seen as a good thing when it’s trying to be stopped.
Not understanding why people are supporting a free for all?
no matter how one crosses, they have the right to request asylum. per dept of state.....
This is 100% correct. Problem is that is not happening.
Someone mentioned that Republicans don’t want to fix immigration. Nether do Democrats. The Dreamer bill/executive order was a nice “see I care while I don’t” gesture.
I do not want people coming in illegally, I don’t want to see people hurt either.
I should save this for the immigration thread as we have people sleeping outside the hotels now who are asylum seekers. We do not have the resources to help all these people.
I thought I made my point well enough, but I'll clarify:
Republicans don't want to fix this because they have a vested interest in the immigration crisis, it drives their base to the poles.
trump knew this, that's why the wall was one of his campaign's primary platforms.
You said you don't understand why people are supporting a free for all... who is supporting a "free for all"?
What does that even mean, open borders?
You have your opinion and I have mine.
I agree w this. I also don’t see Biden admin doing anything to remedy the situation either.
Supporting a free for all is letting people come in unaccounted for yet when there is a stop gap in place trying to circumvent the amount of people it gets backlash, wall, concertina wire, etc.
When you have people coming over the rio grande and not through the gates that is an open border. It isn’t secured, there isn’t anyone monitoring the area.
I would love to see them processed and papered and get jobs and to start paying taxes but like you said, there’s an agenda to not let that happen.
Cutting the line to get in is now seen as a good thing when it’s trying to be stopped.
Not understanding why people are supporting a free for all?
no matter how one crosses, they have the right to request asylum. per dept of state.....
This is 100% correct. Problem is that is not happening.
Someone mentioned that Republicans don’t want to fix immigration. Nether do Democrats. The Dreamer bill/executive order was a nice “see I care while I don’t” gesture.
I do not want people coming in illegally, I don’t want to see people hurt either.
I should save this for the immigration thread as we have people sleeping outside the hotels now who are asylum seekers. We do not have the resources to help all these people.
I thought I made my point well enough, but I'll clarify:
Republicans don't want to fix this because they have a vested interest in the immigration crisis, it drives their base to the poles.
trump knew this, that's why the wall was one of his campaign's primary platforms.
You said you don't understand why people are supporting a free for all... who is supporting a "free for all"?
What does that even mean, open borders?
You have your opinion and I have mine.
I agree w this. I also don’t see Biden admin doing anything to remedy the situation either.
Supporting a free for all is letting people come in unaccounted for yet when there is a stop gap in place trying to circumvent the amount of people it gets backlash, wall, concertina wire, etc.
When you have people coming over the rio grande and not through the gates that is an open border. It isn’t secured, there isn’t anyone monitoring the area.
I would love to see them processed and papered and get jobs and to start paying taxes but like you said, there’s an agenda to not let that happen.
Just because someone recognizes how unrealistic (& ridiculous) the idea of a wall between here & Mexico is doesn't mean they support open borders or a free for all.
Likewise, calling for humane treatment of people seeking asylum or a better life also doesn't equal support for open borders or a free for all.
There's a f ton of middle ground and gray area between the two sides you're talking about.
Yeah no one wants a free for all. That whole line is straight off of Fox/OAN.
The wall was a stupid idea from the start. We all knew Mexico wasn't going to pay for it and they didn't. It was stupid because most of us knew they would go over/under/through it anyway. Which they do.
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Yeah no one wants a free for all. That whole line is straight off of Fox/OAN.
The wall was a stupid idea from the start. We all knew Mexico wasn't going to pay for it and they didn't. It was stupid because most of us knew they would go over/under/through it anyway. Which they do.
I don’t watch fox or OAN and am not conservative yet I view the borders as a free for all.
Trump saying Mexico would pay for it, rapists and murderers was dumb too. I’m all for the motion detectors.
Cutting the line to get in is now seen as a good thing when it’s trying to be stopped.
Not understanding why people are supporting a free for all?
no matter how one crosses, they have the right to request asylum. per dept of state.....
This is 100% correct. Problem is that is not happening.
Someone mentioned that Republicans don’t want to fix immigration. Nether do Democrats. The Dreamer bill/executive order was a nice “see I care while I don’t” gesture.
I do not want people coming in illegally, I don’t want to see people hurt either.
I should save this for the immigration thread as we have people sleeping outside the hotels now who are asylum seekers. We do not have the resources to help all these people.
I thought I made my point well enough, but I'll clarify:
Republicans don't want to fix this because they have a vested interest in the immigration crisis, it drives their base to the poles.
trump knew this, that's why the wall was one of his campaign's primary platforms.
You said you don't understand why people are supporting a free for all... who is supporting a "free for all"?
What does that even mean, open borders?
You have your opinion and I have mine.
I agree w this. I also don’t see Biden admin doing anything to remedy the situation either.
Supporting a free for all is letting people come in unaccounted for yet when there is a stop gap in place trying to circumvent the amount of people it gets backlash, wall, concertina wire, etc.
When you have people coming over the rio grande and not through the gates that is an open border. It isn’t secured, there isn’t anyone monitoring the area.
I would love to see them processed and papered and get jobs and to start paying taxes but like you said, there’s an agenda to not let that happen.
Just because someone recognizes how unrealistic (& ridiculous) the idea of a wall between here & Mexico is doesn't mean they support open borders or a free for all.
Likewise, calling for humane treatment of people seeking asylum or a better life also doesn't equal support for open borders or a free for all.
There's a f ton of middle ground and gray area between the two sides you're talking about.
I never mentioned a wall. I said nobody is monitoring it, meaning the areas they come in.
No problem w humane treatment, just come through the gates and it’s humane.
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Cutting the line to get in is now seen as a good thing when it’s trying to be stopped.
Not understanding why people are supporting a free for all?
no matter how one crosses, they have the right to request asylum. per dept of state.....
This is 100% correct. Problem is that is not happening.
Someone mentioned that Republicans don’t want to fix immigration. Nether do Democrats. The Dreamer bill/executive order was a nice “see I care while I don’t” gesture.
I do not want people coming in illegally, I don’t want to see people hurt either.
I should save this for the immigration thread as we have people sleeping outside the hotels now who are asylum seekers. We do not have the resources to help all these people.
I thought I made my point well enough, but I'll clarify:
Republicans don't want to fix this because they have a vested interest in the immigration crisis, it drives their base to the poles.
trump knew this, that's why the wall was one of his campaign's primary platforms.
You said you don't understand why people are supporting a free for all... who is supporting a "free for all"?
What does that even mean, open borders?
You have your opinion and I have mine.
I agree w this. I also don’t see Biden admin doing anything to remedy the situation either.
Supporting a free for all is letting people come in unaccounted for yet when there is a stop gap in place trying to circumvent the amount of people it gets backlash, wall, concertina wire, etc.
When you have people coming over the rio grande and not through the gates that is an open border. It isn’t secured, there isn’t anyone monitoring the area.
I would love to see them processed and papered and get jobs and to start paying taxes but like you said, there’s an agenda to not let that happen.
Just because someone recognizes how unrealistic (& ridiculous) the idea of a wall between here & Mexico is doesn't mean they support open borders or a free for all.
Likewise, calling for humane treatment of people seeking asylum or a better life also doesn't equal support for open borders or a free for all.
There's a f ton of middle ground and gray area between the two sides you're talking about.
I never mentioned a wall. I said nobody is monitoring it, meaning the areas they come in.
No problem w humane treatment, just come through the gates and it’s humane.
Pretty sure you remarked about the wall getting backlash… but anyway.
Call me crazy… I think regardless of whether people ‘come through the gate’ or not, they all deserve humane treatment & somehow I’m still not in favor of open borders or a free for all.
Lindsey Flimsey Flip Flop Faloozy knows he’s on the payroll.
the bulwark podcast is doing series on the corruption of.....
really well done.
I still think he's being blackmailed.
That is a distinct possibility. POOTWH has a safe full of salacious shit on a good number of folks. Took a page out of Roy Cohn’s playbook. Some of it may even have been provided by Putin on the ritz, I mean we all saw how Ruddy acted with Borat’s sister and you don’t think Lindsey Flimsey Flip Flop Faloozy could be resistant to temptation on a dessert isle, a sail boat or yacht, or foreign country, do we? Heaven’s no!
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The failed Ohio amendment reflects Republican efforts nationally to restrict direct democracy
By JULIE CARR SMYTH
Today
COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) — After Ohio voters repealed a law pushed by Republicans that would have limited unions' collective bargaining rights in 2011, then-GOP Gov. John Kasich was contrite.
“I’ve heard their voices, I understand their decision and, frankly, I respect what people have to say in an effort like this,” he told reporters after the defeat.
The tone from Ohio Republicans was much different this past week after voters resoundingly rejected their attempt to impose hurdles on passing amendments to the state constitution — a proposal that would have made it much more difficult to pass an abortion rights measure in November.
During an election night news conference, Republican Senate President Matt Huffman vowed to use the powers of his legislative supermajority to bring the issue back soon, variously blaming out-of-state dark money, unsupportive fellow Republicans, a lack of time and the issue's complexity for its failure.
He never mentioned respecting the will of the 57% of Ohio voters across both Democratic and Republican counties who voted “no" on the Republican proposal.
Historically, attempts to undercut the citizen ballot initiative process have come from both parties, said Daniel A. Smith, a political science professor at the University of Florida.
“It has to do with which party is in monopolistic control of state legislatures and the governorship,” he said. “When you have that monopoly of power, you want to restrict the voice of a statewide electorate that might go against your efforts to control the process.”
According to a recent report by the nonpartisan Fairness Project, Ohio and five other states where Republicans control the legislature — Arizona, Arkansas, Florida, Missouri and North Dakota — have either passed, attempted to pass or are currently working to pass expanded supermajority requirements for voters to approve statewide ballot measures.
At least six states, including Ohio, have sought to increase the number of counties where signatures must be gathered.
The group found that at least six of the 24 states that allow ballot initiatives have prohibited out-of-state petition circulators and nine have prohibited paid circulators altogether, the group reports.
Eighteen states have required circulators to swear oaths that they've seen every signature put to paper. Arkansas has imposed background checks on circulators. South Dakota has dictated such a large font size on petitions that it makes circulating them cumbersome.
Sarah Walker, policy and legal advocacy director for the Ballot Initiative Strategy Center, said Republicans in Ohio and elsewhere are restricting the ballot initiative process in an era of renewed populism that’s not going their way. She said conservatives had no interest in amending the ballot initiative process when they were winning campaigns in the 1990s and early 2000s.
“Since then, you’ve seen left-leaning organizations really developing their organizational skills and starting to win,” she said. “The reason given for restricting the ballot initiative is often to insulate the state from outside special interests. But if lawmakers are interested in limiting that, there are things they can do legislatively to restrict those groups, and I don’t see them having any interest in doing that.”
That prompted an influential mix of Republican politicians, anti-abortion and gun rights organizations and business interests in the state to push forward with Tuesday's failed amendment, which would have raised the threshold for passing future constitutional changes from a simple majority to a 60% supermajority.
Another example is Missouri, where Republicans plan to try again to raise the threshold to amend that state’s constitution during the legislative session that begins in 2024 — after earlier efforts have failed.
Ohio Secretary of State Frank LaRose is among Republicans in the state who cast Issue 1 as a fight against out-of-state special interests, although both sides of the campaign were heavily funded by such groups.
He called the $20 million special election “only one battle in a long war.”
“Unfortunately," he said, "we were dramatically outspent by dark money billionaires from California to New York, and the giant ‘for sale’ sign still hangs on Ohio’s constitution,” said LaRose, who is running for U.S. Senate in 2024.
Fairness Project Executive Director Kelly Hall said Ohio Republicans’ promise to come back with another attempt to restrict the initiative process “says more about representational democracy than it does about direct democracy.”
She rejected the narrative that out-of-state special interests are using the avenue of direct democracy to force unpopular policies into state constitutions, arguing corporate influence is far greater on state lawmakers.
“The least out-of-state venue is direct democracy, because then millions of Ohioans are participating, not just the several dozen who are receiving campaign contributions from corporate PACs, who are receiving perks and meetings and around-the-clock influence from corporate PACs,” she said.
"Ballot measures enable issues that matter to working families to actually get on the agenda in a state, rather than the agenda being set by those who can afford lobbyists and campaign contributions.”
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The failed Ohio amendment reflects Republican efforts nationally to restrict direct democracy
By JULIE CARR SMYTH
Today
COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) — After Ohio voters repealed a law pushed by Republicans that would have limited unions' collective bargaining rights in 2011, then-GOP Gov. John Kasich was contrite.
“I’ve heard their voices, I understand their decision and, frankly, I respect what people have to say in an effort like this,” he told reporters after the defeat.
The tone from Ohio Republicans was much different this past week after voters resoundingly rejected their attempt to impose hurdles on passing amendments to the state constitution — a proposal that would have made it much more difficult to pass an abortion rights measure in November.
During an election night news conference, Republican Senate President Matt Huffman vowed to use the powers of his legislative supermajority to bring the issue back soon, variously blaming out-of-state dark money, unsupportive fellow Republicans, a lack of time and the issue's complexity for its failure.
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“then-GOP Gov. John Kasich was contrite.
“I’ve heard their voices, I understand their decision and, frankly, I respect what people have to say in an effort like this,” he told reporters after the defeat.”
This is the Republican Party that I considered respectable. Open minded politicians are gone from this party now. Even the “Romneys” of government are over it, just waiting to retire.
Someone, somewhere on one of these threads the comment “what happened to America?” was posted by a Trump supporter. Seriously?
Trump did not create the racist white loving mentality but his rhetoric gave those with it permission to speak/act on their truths/hatred.
If I can find it I’ll post it there as well.
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Imagine being black and having your history erased? What’s next? The holocaust didn’t happen or ahhh well, we don’t need to teach that part of history anymore, we’ll teach the injustice of tourists at the capitol instead?
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Someone mentioned that Republicans don’t want to fix immigration. Nether do Democrats. The Dreamer bill/executive order was a nice “see I care while I don’t” gesture.
I do not want people coming in illegally, I don’t want to see people hurt either.
I should save this for the immigration thread as we have people sleeping outside the hotels now who are asylum seekers. We do not have the resources to help all these people.
because they were bussed there by whom?
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If Texas is still bussing more than what we can handle here I am not aware of that. Googling shortly.
It still doesn’t fix the problem of people on the streets. We can point fingers but we need solutions.
Republicans don't want to fix this because they have a vested interest in the immigration crisis, it drives their base to the poles.
trump knew this, that's why the wall was one of his campaign's primary platforms.
You said you don't understand why people are supporting a free for all... who is supporting a "free for all"?
What does that even mean, open borders?
2500 a day coming in.
The scooters are coming more and more rampant on the streets.
I can totally see a turf war coming with delivery drivers here.
NY pleads for National help but Biden doesn’t give a shit either.
I agree w this. I also don’t see Biden admin doing anything to remedy the situation either.
Supporting a free for all is letting people come in unaccounted for yet when there is a stop gap in place trying to circumvent the amount of people it gets backlash, wall, concertina wire, etc.
When you have people coming over the rio grande and not through the gates that is an open border. It isn’t secured, there isn’t anyone monitoring the area.
I would love to see them processed and papered and get jobs and to start paying taxes but like you said, there’s an agenda to not let that happen.
Likewise, calling for humane treatment of people seeking asylum or a better life also doesn't equal support for open borders or a free for all.
There's a f ton of middle ground and gray area between the two sides you're talking about.
The wall was a stupid idea from the start. We all knew Mexico wasn't going to pay for it and they didn't. It was stupid because most of us knew they would go over/under/through it anyway. Which they do.
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Trump saying Mexico would pay for it, rapists and murderers was dumb too. I’m all for the motion detectors.
No problem w humane treatment, just come through the gates and it’s humane.
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COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) — After Ohio voters repealed a law pushed by Republicans that would have limited unions' collective bargaining rights in 2011, then-GOP Gov. John Kasich was contrite.
“I’ve heard their voices, I understand their decision and, frankly, I respect what people have to say in an effort like this,” he told reporters after the defeat.
The tone from Ohio Republicans was much different this past week after voters resoundingly rejected their attempt to impose hurdles on passing amendments to the state constitution — a proposal that would have made it much more difficult to pass an abortion rights measure in November.
During an election night news conference, Republican Senate President Matt Huffman vowed to use the powers of his legislative supermajority to bring the issue back soon, variously blaming out-of-state dark money, unsupportive fellow Republicans, a lack of time and the issue's complexity for its failure.
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He never mentioned respecting the will of the 57% of Ohio voters across both Democratic and Republican counties who voted “no" on the Republican proposal.
The striking contrast illustrates an increasing antagonism among elected Republicans across the country toward the nation’s purest form of direct democracy — the citizen-initiated ballot measure — as it threatens their lock on power in states where they control the legislature.
Historically, attempts to undercut the citizen ballot initiative process have come from both parties, said Daniel A. Smith, a political science professor at the University of Florida.
“It has to do with which party is in monopolistic control of state legislatures and the governorship,” he said. “When you have that monopoly of power, you want to restrict the voice of a statewide electorate that might go against your efforts to control the process.”
According to a recent report by the nonpartisan Fairness Project, Ohio and five other states where Republicans control the legislature — Arizona, Arkansas, Florida, Missouri and North Dakota — have either passed, attempted to pass or are currently working to pass expanded supermajority requirements for voters to approve statewide ballot measures.
At least six states, including Ohio, have sought to increase the number of counties where signatures must be gathered.
The group found that at least six of the 24 states that allow ballot initiatives have prohibited out-of-state petition circulators and nine have prohibited paid circulators altogether, the group reports.
Eighteen states have required circulators to swear oaths that they've seen every signature put to paper. Arkansas has imposed background checks on circulators. South Dakota has dictated such a large font size on petitions that it makes circulating them cumbersome.
Sarah Walker, policy and legal advocacy director for the Ballot Initiative Strategy Center, said Republicans in Ohio and elsewhere are restricting the ballot initiative process in an era of renewed populism that’s not going their way. She said conservatives had no interest in amending the ballot initiative process when they were winning campaigns in the 1990s and early 2000s.
“Since then, you’ve seen left-leaning organizations really developing their organizational skills and starting to win,” she said. “The reason given for restricting the ballot initiative is often to insulate the state from outside special interests. But if lawmakers are interested in limiting that, there are things they can do legislatively to restrict those groups, and I don’t see them having any interest in doing that.”
Aggressive stances by Republican supermajorities at the Ohio Statehouse — including supporting one of the nation's most stringent abortion bans, refusing to pass many of a GOP governor's proposed gun control measures in the face of a deadly mass shooting, and repeatedly producing unconstitutional political maps — have motivated would-be reformers.
That prompted an influential mix of Republican politicians, anti-abortion and gun rights organizations and business interests in the state to push forward with Tuesday's failed amendment, which would have raised the threshold for passing future constitutional changes from a simple majority to a 60% supermajority.
Another example is Missouri, where Republicans plan to try again to raise the threshold to amend that state’s constitution during the legislative session that begins in 2024 — after earlier efforts have failed.
Those plans come in a state where state lawmakers refused to fund a Medicaid expansion approved by voters until forced to by a court order, and where voters enshrined marijuana in the constitution last fall after lawmakers failed to. An abortion rights question is headed to Missouri’s 2024 ballot.
Ohio Secretary of State Frank LaRose is among Republicans in the state who cast Issue 1 as a fight against out-of-state special interests, although both sides of the campaign were heavily funded by such groups.
He called the $20 million special election “only one battle in a long war.”
“Unfortunately," he said, "we were dramatically outspent by dark money billionaires from California to New York, and the giant ‘for sale’ sign still hangs on Ohio’s constitution,” said LaRose, who is running for U.S. Senate in 2024.
Fairness Project Executive Director Kelly Hall said Ohio Republicans’ promise to come back with another attempt to restrict the initiative process “says more about representational democracy than it does about direct democracy.”
She rejected the narrative that out-of-state special interests are using the avenue of direct democracy to force unpopular policies into state constitutions, arguing corporate influence is far greater on state lawmakers.
“The least out-of-state venue is direct democracy, because then millions of Ohioans are participating, not just the several dozen who are receiving campaign contributions from corporate PACs, who are receiving perks and meetings and around-the-clock influence from corporate PACs,” she said.
"Ballot measures enable issues that matter to working families to actually get on the agenda in a state, rather than the agenda being set by those who can afford lobbyists and campaign contributions.”
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“then-GOP Gov. John Kasich was contrite.
“I’ve heard their voices, I understand their decision and, frankly, I respect what people have to say in an effort like this,” he told reporters after the defeat.”
This is the Republican Party that I considered respectable. Open minded politicians are gone from this party now. Even the “Romneys” of government are over it, just waiting to retire.
Someone, somewhere on one of these threads the comment “what happened to America?” was posted by a Trump supporter. Seriously?
Trump did not create the racist white loving mentality but his rhetoric gave those with it permission to speak/act on their truths/hatred.
If I can find it I’ll post it there as well.
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another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
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you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
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another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
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And we’ve been told it couldn’t happen here.
Libtardaplorable©. And proud of it.
Brilliantati©
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another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14