2021 European Tour Announcement

RatherStarved

Gravey1975 said:

You folks might know better than me: if it's not possible for the band to play all of the euro tour dates as measures are still in place in some nations, will the band likely cancel ALL dates or only the non-festival ones? In other words, how problematic is it for the band to pull out of a headline slot in a festival (hyde park,  Lollapalooza, etc) because the rest of the tour is cancelled if the festivals they are signed on to play are still going ahead? Is it likely they'll still play them or cancel do you think? Will give the organisers a big headache if they pull out. But i guess we're in uncharted territory with all of this.

I don’t know the answer but I would say if PJ can’t play a festival it likely means nobody can play the festival.  I would think the tour is all or nothing, with a possible exception that if one or two countries are way behind the others then maybe one or two shows get cancelled.

coey33

Nick Cave has just cancelled his run of shows in Europe next year which was to run until end of June, basically saying it's unpredictable, here is your money back, let's do this when the end of this health crisis is more certain. 

BlueLedbetter

coey33 said:

Nick Cave has just cancelled his run of shows in Europe next year which was to run until end of June, basically saying it's unpredictable, here is your money back, let's do this when the end of this health crisis is more certain. 

I hope we get the option of keeping the tickets again until 2022 if it is cancelled 

JPPJ84

coey33 said:

Nick Cave has just cancelled his run of shows in Europe next year which was to run until end of June, basically saying it's unpredictable, here is your money back, let's do this when the end of this health crisis is more certain. 

I wouldn’t even want my money back, I‘d rather hang on to my tickets for another year

Gravey1975

coey33 said:

Nick Cave has just cancelled his run of shows in Europe next year which was to run until end of June, basically saying it's unpredictable, here is your money back, let's do this when the end of this health crisis is more certain. 

Spring shows are screwed for sure, and as he had so many shows scheduled for April, he didnt have much choice. There will be a huge wave of cancellations in the coming weeks for shows scheduled for the first half of the year. PJ's tour is really right on the cusp of being even theoretically viable IMO. But they're gonna have to open up music venues, theatres, sports stadiums sooner rather than later or the arts and sports sectors will be decimated. There will be a lot of pressure to open up these sectors by the summer, particularly if the vulnerable have already been vaccinated by then.

RatherStarved

JPPJ84 said:

coey33 said:

Nick Cave has just cancelled his run of shows in Europe next year which was to run until end of June, basically saying it's unpredictable, here is your money back, let's do this when the end of this health crisis is more certain. 

I wouldn’t even want my money back, I‘d rather hang on to my tickets for another year

+1 

mrk2

Slipknot just announced a European tour starting in mid-July. Mostly outdoors, but some arenas. But then again, the band and a lot of their fanbase are used to wearing masks

Spunkie

My lollapalooza paris refund. Guess the exchange rates ate up the difference?

PeterED

Gravey1975 said:

coey33 said:

Nick Cave has just cancelled his run of shows in Europe next year which was to run until end of June, basically saying it's unpredictable, here is your money back, let's do this when the end of this health crisis is more certain. 

Spring shows are screwed for sure, and as he had so many shows scheduled for April, he didnt have much choice. There will be a huge wave of cancellations in the coming weeks for shows scheduled for the first half of the year. PJ's tour is really right on the cusp of being even theoretically viable IMO. But they're gonna have to open up music venues, theatres, sports stadiums sooner rather than later or the arts and sports sectors will be decimated. There will be a lot of pressure to open up these sectors by the summer, particularly if the vulnerable have already been vaccinated by then.

Indeed.

But I think opening up the sector to millionaire touring acts is not what is going to keep the sector alive. It's going to be getting the clubs and theatres running and booked again. Acts of PJ's stature should be able to survive this - it's the small/middle acts that we need to be concerned about.

JackD.

German finance minster announced ideas of a „cancellation guarantee“ (refund for promoters if concerts get cancelled eventually) for concerts that are being planned for the second half of 2021. He wants to fuel the planning process „so that concerts can go ahead when it‘s safe and not months later due to hesitation in planning“.

That means there is some confidence things will change to the better before the summer.

Nick Cave was probably just a tad too early with the tour start in April.

I‘m optimistic to see you in the pit this summer!

Gravey1975

PeterED said:

Gravey1975 said:

coey33 said:

Nick Cave has just cancelled his run of shows in Europe next year which was to run until end of June, basically saying it's unpredictable, here is your money back, let's do this when the end of this health crisis is more certain. 

Spring shows are screwed for sure, and as he had so many shows scheduled for April, he didnt have much choice. There will be a huge wave of cancellations in the coming weeks for shows scheduled for the first half of the year. PJ's tour is really right on the cusp of being even theoretically viable IMO. But they're gonna have to open up music venues, theatres, sports stadiums sooner rather than later or the arts and sports sectors will be decimated. There will be a lot of pressure to open up these sectors by the summer, particularly if the vulnerable have already been vaccinated by then.

Indeed.

But I think opening up the sector to millionaire touring acts is not what is going to keep the sector alive. It's going to be getting the clubs and theatres running and booked again. Acts of PJ's stature should be able to survive this - it's the small/middle acts that we need to be concerned about.

Totally agree. The worry is that the smaller venues will be the ones to shut down permanently as a result of all this, depriving grass roots acts of a place to perform. 

one_stone

I think that getting the vulnerable vaccinated will be key.

If this is done, I would see the currently totally wrong comparisons to the flu come a little more valid. Those who are in danger become safe and those who are at low risk can decide if they want to get the additional security of a vaccine. The situation in the hospitals relaxes.

This situation combined with the pressure of a multi million dollar (music) industry and the possibilty to have test on entry as some kind of backup solution makes me feel slightly optimistic for summer here in Europe.

Major problem might be - as already mentioned on the thread - that not all european governments come to the same conclusions / regulations / get the vulnerable vaccinated fast enough... but if those are in the minority one or two cancelled shows might save the rest of the tour.

bootlegger10

Agree with One_Stone.  

There will be pressure from a lot of businesses.  Not just music acts.  People love their sports everywhere.  Restaurants want full capacity.  Planes will be full with travelers.  Museums want to open.   

If the most at-risk are vaccinated, then let’s re-open. 

HailHailVitalogy

Ok but realistically I don’t see Amsterdam on 6/16-6/17 happening. Maybe Berlin since it’s outside on 6/23. Maybe they push those 3 dates to the end after Prague

HailHailVitalogy

I’m also hoping they announce the Spring 2020 dates for Fall 2021 and add the shows they were going to add Fall 2020 very soon

NewJPage

HailHailVitalogy said:

Ok but realistically I don’t see Amsterdam on 6/16-6/17 happening. Maybe Berlin since it’s outside on 6/23. Maybe they push those 3 dates to the end after Prague

I don't see any of it happening. Gonna be another year imo. Maybe small dates somewhere under special circumstances, but the band hasn't seemed that interested in that kind of thing much lately 

FR181798

Just cant see the Euro tour happening. Might be 7 months away but the logistics of it all seem too much. Interesting that here in Scotland after the initial lockdown, Covid 19 was close to being eliminated and substantially surpressed but then travel in the Summer introduced whole new strains resulting in the start of the 2nd wave. I think even with vaccinations there is going to be travel restrictions that make these events very difficult.

drfox

FR181798 said:

Just cant see the Euro tour happening. Might be 7 months away but the logistics of it all seem too much. Interesting that here in Scotland after the initial lockdown, Covid 19 was close to being eliminated and substantially surpressed but then travel in the Summer introduced whole new strains resulting in the start of the 2nd wave. I think even with vaccinations there is going to be travel restrictions that make these events very difficult.

10C forum - the forum of pessimists....

There’s a chance they will go ahead given the vaccine roll out. I also don’t think the entertainment industry can take another summer of shut down. 

FR181798

drfox said:

FR181798 said:

Just cant see the Euro tour happening. Might be 7 months away but the logistics of it all seem too much. Interesting that here in Scotland after the initial lockdown, Covid 19 was close to being eliminated and substantially surpressed but then travel in the Summer introduced whole new strains resulting in the start of the 2nd wave. I think even with vaccinations there is going to be travel restrictions that make these events very difficult.

10C forum - the forum of pessimists....

There’s a chance they will go ahead given the vaccine roll out. I also don’t think the entertainment industry can take another summer of shut down. 

You are right, theres a chance but I would say its a very slim chance. So many unknowns and its just going to take time and it will be a gradual move to full arenas. 7 months just doesnt seem a long time and thats the realistic point of view.

aurelgugus

drfox said:

FR181798 said:

Just cant see the Euro tour happening. Might be 7 months away but the logistics of it all seem too much. Interesting that here in Scotland after the initial lockdown, Covid 19 was close to being eliminated and substantially surpressed but then travel in the Summer introduced whole new strains resulting in the start of the 2nd wave. I think even with vaccinations there is going to be travel restrictions that make these events very difficult.

10C forum - the forum of pessimists....

There’s a chance they will go ahead given the vaccine roll out. I also don’t think the entertainment industry can take another summer of shut down. 

He is just realistic. The entertainment industry is financially supported by states in Europe, they can deal with another summer of shut out it it’s necessary