2021 European Tour Announcement

PJNB

BlueLedbetter said:

Oxford vaccine expected to get approval in the UK on the 28th or 29th of this month with mass roll out from beginning of January. IF that happens successfully maybe there is a chance fot the shows to go ahead 

Thats great news. Still need to move mountains for these shows to happen but I am optimistic! If shows can happen this summer that means the vaccine kicked this virus's ass and we are in a better place. Win win for everyone. 

RatherStarved

BlueLedbetter said:

Oxford vaccine expected to get approval in the UK on the 28th or 29th of this month with mass roll out from beginning of January. IF that happens successfully maybe there is a chance fot the shows to go ahead 

So you’re saying there’s a chance! 

mrk2

It is not up to the uk. 

They need to have Netherlands, Germany, France, Belgium, Chezh, Poland, Hungary, Austria, Switzerland, Italy, Denmark and Sweden to have their vaccinations and corona situations in order within the next 6 months. 

BlueLedbetter

mrk2 said:

It is not up to the uk. 

They need to have Netherlands, Germany, France, Belgium, Chezh, Poland, Hungary, Austria, Switzerland, Italy, Denmark and Sweden to have their vaccinations and corona situations in order within the next 6 months. 

Yes I know I'm just saying that approval  is close in the UK id hope the EU would be soon after

I still think its more likely to be postponed again as June will still be too soon btw

Gravey1975

There's no chance every country is going to be able to host live shows by the time of the tour. I wonder how many shows would be enough for the European tour to be viable from the band's perspective... Half? Only a handful of the bigger outdoor shows? I guess theyll have to make that call nearer the time. 

PJNB

Gravey1975 said:

There's no chance every country is going to be able to host live shows by the time of the tour. I wonder how many shows would be enough for the European tour to be viable from the band's perspective... Half? Only a handful of the bigger outdoor shows? I guess theyll have to make that call nearer the time. 

The bigger outdoor shows need a couple of months of large groups of workers setting up the site as well. While it maybe "safe" at the time of the show leading up to it is not therefore not allowing the event to happen.

It is looking clearer and clearer to me nothing is happening this summer sadly unless they push it a couple of months. I still think it is doable with those vulnerable to the virus being already vaccinated as well as a large part of the EU population as well as NA. We are doing this lockdown/distancing/masks for them and if they are protected what are we waiting for? 

Muffin The Mule

With the latest lockdown here my hopes for next summer have gone. It's not going to happen - vaccine or no vaccine.

ComeToTX

I don’t really see how it changes things one way or the other. Globally, we’ll get enough vaccines injected or we won’t. 

RatherStarved

mrk2 said:

It is not up to the uk. 

They need to have Netherlands, Germany, France, Belgium, Chezh, Poland, Hungary, Austria, Switzerland, Italy, Denmark and Sweden to have their vaccinations and corona situations in order within the next 6 months. 

Not only that, but they’ll need to be confident in it by April or so in order to go forward.  It feels like too many things have to happen too quickly in too many places.  I wonder if they will cancel, postpone to 2022, or postpone to later in 2021 (possibly without festivals).  

nando1979

BlueLedbetter said:

Oxford vaccine expected to get approval in the UK on the 28th or 29th of this month with mass roll out from beginning of January. IF that happens successfully maybe there is a chance fot the shows to go ahead 

Mass roll out won't start in January, no matter what's being reported. I fall into the extremely clinically vulnerable category and have been advised I should get my first injection by the beginning of March. That means second one by 21st March. Mass rollout won't be possible until all those elderly/clinically vulnerable are sorted. Unfortunately the April reports are much more accurate

nando1979

 Just realised you may mean  mass rollout of vulnerable/elderly to start in January, there are circa 10 million in that category. At 1 million injections a week that takes you to march anyway for the remainder of the population unfortunately 

BlueLedbetter

nando1979 said:

 Just realised you may mean  mass rollout of vulnerable/elderly to start in January, there are circa 10 million in that category. At 1 million injections a week that takes you to march anyway for the remainder of the population unfortunately 

Yes that's what I meant im very doubtful the shows will go ahead i think it may just be a couple of months too soon but mass roll out of the vaccine gives it a small chance 

CarisaJ

BlueLedbetter said:

Yes that's what I meant im very doubtful the shows will go ahead i think it may just be a couple of months too soon but mass roll out of the vaccine gives it a small chance 

Also thinking it will be just a couple of months too soon. Here in Germany they are thinking that mass roll out can start in summer. I am pretty sure this will be similar in most countries 

drfox

CarisaJ said:

BlueLedbetter said:

Yes that's what I meant im very doubtful the shows will go ahead i think it may just be a couple of months too soon but mass roll out of the vaccine gives it a small chance 

Also thinking it will be just a couple of months too soon. Here in Germany they are thinking that mass roll out can start in summer. I am pretty sure this will be similar in most countries 

I think things are looking more positive again, especially here in the UK. AstraZeneca/Oxford vaccine likely approved in next day or two. Looking now at giving 1 shot of Pfizer vaccine instead of 2 (91% success rate vs 95%). UK has 40m Pfizer, 7m Moderna and 100m Oxford vaccines ordered. Easily covers the whole population. Talk here now of things starting to get back to normal in mid-end Feb if Oxford vaccine is approved as it can be rolled out quicker.

RatherStarved

drfox said:

CarisaJ said:

BlueLedbetter said:

Yes that's what I meant im very doubtful the shows will go ahead i think it may just be a couple of months too soon but mass roll out of the vaccine gives it a small chance 

Also thinking it will be just a couple of months too soon. Here in Germany they are thinking that mass roll out can start in summer. I am pretty sure this will be similar in most countries 

I think things are looking more positive again, especially here in the UK. AstraZeneca/Oxford vaccine likely approved in next day or two. Looking now at giving 1 shot of Pfizer vaccine instead of 2 (91% success rate vs 95%). UK has 40m Pfizer, 7m Moderna and 100m Oxford vaccines ordered. Easily covers the whole population. Talk here now of things starting to get back to normal in mid-end Feb if Oxford vaccine is approved as it can be rolled out quicker.

I would be surprised if single dose Pfizer goes forward as all the trials were based on two doses.  (Why they didn’t try a subgroup of just one dose is a good question but they didn’t.). I love the optimism and perhaps there’s an outside chance of the summer tour happening, but back to normal end of Feb? I don’t see that at all.  

aurelgugus

France expects to have 15M people vaccinated on a total of 65M in 2021.
in Luxembourg, the state already communicated on the fact that there won’t be enough vaccine for everyone in 2021.
The biggest question is probably related to the transmission of virus because so far they don’t really know if people vaccinated will carry one the virus or not, which is probably the key.
We just have to wait until mid April but the fact that European countries have different strategies (Sweden and Austria have opposite strategies for instance) complicates the set-up of a multi-country tour.

EMC77

CarisaJ said:

BlueLedbetter said:

Yes that's what I meant im very doubtful the shows will go ahead i think it may just be a couple of months too soon but mass roll out of the vaccine gives it a small chance 

Also thinking it will be just a couple of months too soon. Here in Germany they are thinking that mass roll out can start in summer. I am pretty sure this will be similar in most countries 

Same here in Spain. The government expects to get the herd inmunity (70%) by the end of the summer/ early autumn.

Theorically the EU will distribute the vaccines based on countries' population, so all countries in the UE will be in the same stage of vaccination at the same time.

nando1979

EMC77 said:

CarisaJ said:

BlueLedbetter said:

Yes that's what I meant im very doubtful the shows will go ahead i think it may just be a couple of months too soon but mass roll out of the vaccine gives it a small chance 

Also thinking it will be just a couple of months too soon. Here in Germany they are thinking that mass roll out can start in summer. I am pretty sure this will be similar in most countries 

Same here in Spain. The government expects to get the herd inmunity (70%) by the end of the summer/ early autumn.

Theorically the EU will distribute the vaccines based on countries' population, so all countries in the UE will be in the same stage of vaccination at the same time.

That's the same as the expected time frame in the UK (end of summer) . Certain things have gotten leaked to the press the whole way through the pandemic to cause positivity, but they generally don't come to fruition. 

matt84

I think it’s looking more and more likely that there won’t be any tours in 2021. Certainly not any arena or stadium shows. Here’s to a better 2022!

BlueLedbetter

Oxford/AZ vaccine approved in the UK, lets hope this is the game changer and gets everything going again