2021 European Tour Announcement

Ksayet

Does Ziggo Dome have 10c pit or is it all one GA floor?

BlueLedbetter

Ksayet said:

Does Ziggo Dome have 10c pit or is it all one GA floor?

Shows I've seen there have had a front section but it was open to anyone 

RatherStarved

FR181798 said:

drfox said:

FR181798 said:

Just cant see the Euro tour happening. Might be 7 months away but the logistics of it all seem too much. Interesting that here in Scotland after the initial lockdown, Covid 19 was close to being eliminated and substantially surpressed but then travel in the Summer introduced whole new strains resulting in the start of the 2nd wave. I think even with vaccinations there is going to be travel restrictions that make these events very difficult.

10C forum - the forum of pessimists....

There’s a chance they will go ahead given the vaccine roll out. I also don’t think the entertainment industry can take another summer of shut down. 

You are right, theres a chance but I would say its a very slim chance. So many unknowns and its just going to take time and it will be a gradual move to full arenas. 7 months just doesnt seem a long time and thats the realistic point of view.

I think it will be postponed.  It’s only just over 6 months until Amsterdam I.  With the Pfizer vaccine I believe you need two doses several weeks apart and then it takes a couple weeks after the second dose before you’re really protected.  Given that initial quantities in Q1 will be nowhere near sufficient for the population it just seems like it will take longer than until June to really have this under control.  By September, maybe the numbers would work out better - they’ve done Europe in September before, although they are booked at two festivals in the US in Sept. as of now.

mrk2

Stockholm Lolla lineup. Seems worse than the original.

anyway, dont see Sweden getting their shit together by Summer...

Gravey1975

Emily Eavis not particularly optimistic about Glastonbury taking place next year (its normal slot is the last weekend in June). https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-55315202

JABK

I think it all depends om how effective the vaccine is...it's probably very hard to predict at this point. Fingers crossed though...I'll be the first in line to take it...sick of beeing without live music.

pdalowsky

Im going to keep my glass half full (even if me gut instinct tells me otherwise), I cannot wait to see these guys again, next summer would be the perfect lift. There is no harm in being hopeful,but I agree it is looking a touch unlikely. 

Boris said yesterday that the UK has vaccinated 100,000 people already, and thats impressive given the short period of time its been out. However the stumbing block to that momentum appears to be the ability to get more shots into the country

Im crossing everything. 

RatherStarved

pdalowsky said:

Im going to keep my glass half full (even if me gut instinct tells me otherwise), I cannot wait to see these guys again, next summer would be the perfect lift. There is no harm in being hopeful,but I agree it is looking a touch unlikely. 

Boris said yesterday that the UK has vaccinated 100,000 people already, and thats impressive given the short period of time its been out. However the stumbing block to that momentum appears to be the ability to get more shots into the country

Im crossing everything. 

My understanding is the UK is heavily relying on the Oxford vaccine for the more massive rollout.  First things first, that vaccine has to get approved.  Hopefully the accidental wrong dose arm of the trial (which may end up inadvertently being the right dose, which would be incredible) will not delay that process.  

pdalowsky

RatherStarved said:

pdalowsky said:

Im going to keep my glass half full (even if me gut instinct tells me otherwise), I cannot wait to see these guys again, next summer would be the perfect lift. There is no harm in being hopeful,but I agree it is looking a touch unlikely. 

Boris said yesterday that the UK has vaccinated 100,000 people already, and thats impressive given the short period of time its been out. However the stumbing block to that momentum appears to be the ability to get more shots into the country

Im crossing everything. 

My understanding is the UK is heavily relying on the Oxford vaccine for the more massive rollout.  First things first, that vaccine has to get approved.  Hopefully the accidental wrong dose arm of the trial (which may end up inadvertently being the right dose, which would be incredible) will not delay that process.  

We can but hope, the worry with that one is the success rate being sharply down on the 'difficult to store' version....... 

rb173565

... and if the powers that be hadn't dismissed the russian sputnik V vaccine as being useless, even though it has been peer reviewed TWICE in the lancet while the 'merkin and uk's have not, the vaccine could have been rolled out weeks ago. these are the same politicians that care so much for the people. ooo russia is so crap and theyre the enemy so we cant go to them to save u.s. and british lives. 

Planet of Sound

rb173565 said:

... and if the powers that be hadn't dismissed the russian sputnik V vaccine as being useless, even though it has been peer reviewed TWICE in the lancet while the 'merkin and uk's have not, the vaccine could have been rolled out weeks ago. these are the same politicians that care so much for the people. ooo russia is so crap and theyre the enemy so we cant go to them to save u.s. and british lives. 

59% of Russians are unwilling to take this vaccine according to a poll, and there are Russian media reports of empty vaccination clinics despite the jab being free.  If the Russians are not confident in it, I’m not sure we should be.

diggerbyrom

Leeds, UK has plans to vaccinate everyone by May, still hopeful that the London shows will happen, stay positive

ComeToTX

Planet of Sound said:

rb173565 said:

... and if the powers that be hadn't dismissed the russian sputnik V vaccine as being useless, even though it has been peer reviewed TWICE in the lancet while the 'merkin and uk's have not, the vaccine could have been rolled out weeks ago. these are the same politicians that care so much for the people. ooo russia is so crap and theyre the enemy so we cant go to them to save u.s. and british lives. 

59% of Russians are unwilling to take this vaccine according to a poll, and there are Russian media reports of empty vaccination clinics despite the jab being free.  If the Russians are not confident in it, I’m not sure we should be.

Really?  You don't see why Russians would be more skeptical of what their government would inject in them?  They're literally led by a murderous tyrant.

BF89905

Science and logistics suggests that concerts next summer will be risky indoors or outdoors.

PJNB

BF89905 said:

Science and logistics suggests that concerts next summer will be risky indoors or outdoors.

Risky to who exactly if the vulnerable and old are vaccinated? This is a serious question and I am not trying to be smart with my response. I just don't get it if everyone that can get sick severely has been vaccinated already. 

BlueLedbetter

PJNB said:

BF89905 said:

Science and logistics suggests that concerts next summer will be risky indoors or outdoors.

Risky to who exactly if the vulnerable and old are vaccinated? This is a serious question and I am not trying to be smart with my response. I just don't get it if everyone that can get sick severely has been vaccinated already. 

I think the issue is they won't have been, vaccination plans are already slipping in the UK dates look like being months after initial plans 

pdalowsky

BlueLedbetter said:

PJNB said:

BF89905 said:

Science and logistics suggests that concerts next summer will be risky indoors or outdoors.

Risky to who exactly if the vulnerable and old are vaccinated? This is a serious question and I am not trying to be smart with my response. I just don't get it if everyone that can get sick severely has been vaccinated already. 

I think the issue is they won't have been, vaccination plans are already slipping in the UK dates look like being months after initial plans 

I tried that online calculator today and got a timescale for my category of Sept 21 based on my position in the queue. 

That is based on a presumption of administering 1,000,000 a week and 70.6% uptake. 

What wasnt clear was what effect there is on other vaccines being approved, presumably this would shorten massively?

BlueLedbetter

pdalowsky said:

BlueLedbetter said:

PJNB said:

BF89905 said:

Science and logistics suggests that concerts next summer will be risky indoors or outdoors.

Risky to who exactly if the vulnerable and old are vaccinated? This is a serious question and I am not trying to be smart with my response. I just don't get it if everyone that can get sick severely has been vaccinated already. 

I think the issue is they won't have been, vaccination plans are already slipping in the UK dates look like being months after initial plans 

I tried that online calculator today and got a timescale for my category of Sept 21 based on my position in the queue. 

That is based on a presumption of administering 1,000,000 a week and 70.6% uptake. 

What wasnt clear was what effect there is on other vaccines being approved, presumably this would shorten massively?

Not sure it would there is still the logistics of actually administering it second half of the year to have everyone done seems about right but let's hope its quicker, though im pretty sure whitty or someone said 1 million per week when the vaccine was announced 

killcrop

7 months is a long time from now. The pandemic is really only 10 months old from a response standpoint. Vaccinations are underway. My gut tells me it will take every bit of those 7 months to get this situation under control. I don't feel like PJ will be able to manage that kind of timeline. Seems like the vaccinations would have to be dropping the numbers significantly by April to have any chance of a summer tour. Is that possible? I have no idea. A more likely scenario is they postpone to fall 2021. I hope i'm wrong. I guess we have till April for refunds. 

BlueLedbetter

Oxford vaccine expected to get approval in the UK on the 28th or 29th of this month with mass roll out from beginning of January. IF that happens successfully maybe there is a chance fot the shows to go ahead