Sea. Hear. Now Festival 2020 Update

PJNB

CO278952 said:

PJNB said:

CO278952 said:

PJNB said:

April 6th anyone that is 16 or older can get a vaccine in NY. There is no reason by fall that these shows can not happen imo if the vaccines do what they are supposed to do and enough people get them. 

Common sense virus is unfortunately difficult to spread. 

At this point I am not sure if this is a shot at me or in agreement. Hard to tell with people so divided but I get it either way. I am just itching to see shows pretty damn bad. I have followed the healthcare recommendations for over a year now and will continue doing so. Just do not see us doing any better than this and if people that want to be protected have been and with a vaccine that is as good as they are I am ready to see live shows again without hesitation. 

Sorry. 100% without a doubt in support of you and entirely ready to move on. It is complete common sense that dates should be announced for fall starting now. There is no reason for anyone to cower in fear any longer unless they wish to for their own reasons. Vaccination across the nation!

Gotcha and to be honest if you were thinking the other way I get it too. It has been a long year for us all. I just look forward to getting past it safely and if having outdoor shows first is the way to do it lets have a fun fall! 

CO278952

PJNB said:

CO278952 said:

PJNB said:

CO278952 said:

PJNB said:

April 6th anyone that is 16 or older can get a vaccine in NY. There is no reason by fall that these shows can not happen imo if the vaccines do what they are supposed to do and enough people get them. 

Common sense virus is unfortunately difficult to spread. 

At this point I am not sure if this is a shot at me or in agreement. Hard to tell with people so divided but I get it either way. I am just itching to see shows pretty damn bad. I have followed the healthcare recommendations for over a year now and will continue doing so. Just do not see us doing any better than this and if people that want to be protected have been and with a vaccine that is as good as they are I am ready to see live shows again without hesitation. 

Sorry. 100% without a doubt in support of you and entirely ready to move on. It is complete common sense that dates should be announced for fall starting now. There is no reason for anyone to cower in fear any longer unless they wish to for their own reasons. Vaccination across the nation!

Gotcha and to be honest if you were thinking the other way I get it too. It has been a long year for us all. I just look forward to getting past it safely and if having outdoor shows first is the way to do it lets have a fun fall! 

I do think announcing fall dates and requiring proof of vaccination or a rapid test in advance is totally reasonable for this year and would only incentivize more people to get the shot. It’d also incentivize other artists to do the same resulting in even more people potentially getting vaccinated. If the goal is to slow the spread by getting more people shots, what better way than by promoting 20K people per city at a time to get it done. 

Jearlpam0925

on2legs said:

No one here is saying corners should be cut or safety should be compromised.  Not sure why  posting vaguely positive news triggers some people  🤷🏻‍♂️

Exactly. For some reason following science, guidelines, data,, and safety is fear? 

Just because the vaccination will be eligible to more people and expanded doesn't mean we'll get to promising numbers. We're already having a problem getting a ton of idiots vaxed due to hesitancy and being misinformed. Now, adding young people to the mix won't make those expectant vaxed numbers go up.

As said above, we could very well be at 70, 80% immunity by then. But that's not how any of this works when it related to today. I can't see PJ being comfortable with where we might be by then. And I can't see how this thing happens without them.

on2legs

Jearlpam0925 said:

on2legs said:

No one here is saying corners should be cut or safety should be compromised.  Not sure why  posting vaguely positive news triggers some people  🤷🏻‍♂️

Exactly. For some reason following science, guidelines, data,, and safety is fear? 

Just because the vaccination will be eligible to more people and expanded doesn't mean we'll get to promising numbers. We're already having a problem getting a ton of idiots vaxed due to hesitancy and being misinformed. Now, adding young people to the mix won't make those expectant vaxed numbers go up.

As said above, we could very well be at 70, 80% immunity by then. But that's not how any of this works when it related to today. I can't see PJ being comfortable with where we might be by then. And I can't see how this thing happens without them.

I’m not really in the speculating business.  I’m merely reporting actual news.  And there has been some positive news to report lately.  Not sure why that triggers some people? 🤷🏻‍♂️

PJNB

Jearlpam0925 said:

on2legs said:

No one here is saying corners should be cut or safety should be compromised.  Not sure why  posting vaguely positive news triggers some people  🤷🏻‍♂️

Exactly. For some reason following science, guidelines, data,, and safety is fear? 

Just because the vaccination will be eligible to more people and expanded doesn't mean we'll get to promising numbers. We're already having a problem getting a ton of idiots vaxed due to hesitancy and being misinformed. Now, adding young people to the mix won't make those expectant vaxed numbers go up.

As said above, we could very well be at 70, 80% immunity by then. But that's not how any of this works when it related to today. I can't see PJ being comfortable with where we might be by then. And I can't see how this thing happens without them.

The numbers for daily vaccinations in the US are outstanding right now and is likely to only get better unless something really fucked up happens to the supply which I do not foresee happening. With regards to the people that do not want to get vaccinated that is their choice. As I said in another thread there should be no scenario out there where everyone is vaccinated that wants to be and we still have restrictions in place due to antivaxxers and not being close to herd immunity. I get the frustration against them but protect yourself and your family and thats what matters most of course. The  efficacy and health numbers coming from these vaccines in the last couple of days and weeks from tests and trials has been nothing short of a miracle.  

Weston1283

Its pretty clear to see that concerts in September and October will be able to happen based off of the rate which we are vaccinating (many states are already open or are about to open up vaccines to all people over age 16)

The question here is more of a "will Pearl Jam be a part of the bands that tour in late 2021?'"

With how close we are to the Europe tour without any sort of word from the band and as of now is still technically on, you have to think they are ok with playing shows as soon as our officials give us the green light.  

Jearlpam0925

No question. With all that said, people like to think we're already out of this when that is no where near the case. And in light of all that good news, numbers are trending back up again.

CO278952

Jearlpam0925 said:

No question. With all that said, people like to think we're already out of this when that is no where near the case. And in light of all that good news, numbers are trending back up again.

We are getting out of it

mcgruff10

PJNB said:

mcgruff10 said:

@PJNB Jeff are you going to this festival?

Absolutely will make one of them depending on the dates. If Hyde Park is a double nighter on the weekend of Sep 3-5th and its a likely go I am booking that first. The other two do not work for me work wise but if SHN is the first show I will not miss it. Hope you get at least that festival this year man! 

Awesome man!  Hope to see you and Jess in NJ!!!

RatherStarved

SHN is already booked and sold.  Of course it could be postponed or cancelled but it’s not like they are starting from scratch and deciding whether to book a date and put something on sale.  Based on last year they can probably make a decision in June, by which time it is expected that every adult in America who wants a vaccine will have one.  That will hopefully already have resulted in vastly diminished bad numbers and enable a decision to proceed, or at least not to cancel. Right now the numbers aren’t declining the way they need to, but hopefully a critical mass of vaccinations by June will have the desired effect.  

Jearlpam0925

CO278952 said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

No question. With all that said, people like to think we're already out of this when that is no where near the case. And in light of all that good news, numbers are trending back up again.

We are getting out of it

I appreciate the sentiment.. But we are not out of it. And getting out of it doesn't mean going back to exactly the way things were before. Numbers are ticking up right now and you need herd immunity at a certain threshold to be "out of it."

Jearlpam0925

Also, it looks SHN decided in mid-to-late June to postpone last year, so we may not even know until then. Which is kinda crazy.

CO278952

Jearlpam0925 said:

CO278952 said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

No question. With all that said, people like to think we're already out of this when that is no where near the case. And in light of all that good news, numbers are trending back up again.

We are getting out of it

I appreciate the sentiment.. But we are not out of it. And getting out of it doesn't mean going back to exactly the way things were before. Numbers are ticking up right now and you need herd immunity at a certain threshold to be "out of it."

I am saying we are getting out of it. Not that we are out of it yet. Once everyone who wants one has been vaccinated it’s time to move on. 

mcgruff10

CO278952 said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

CO278952 said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

No question. With all that said, people like to think we're already out of this when that is no where near the case. And in light of all that good news, numbers are trending back up again.

We are getting out of it

I appreciate the sentiment.. But we are not out of it. And getting out of it doesn't mean going back to exactly the way things were before. Numbers are ticking up right now and you need herd immunity at a certain threshold to be "out of it."

I am saying we are getting out of it. Not that we are out of it yet. Once everyone who wants one has been vaccinated it’s time to move on. 

Totally agree.   

Weston1283

Jearlpam0925 said:

Also, it looks SHN decided in mid-to-late June to postpone last year, so we may not even know until then. Which is kinda crazy.

Theres no reason to cancel it anytime before July or August.  The chances of it happening get better every day.  With the rate at which we are vaccinating, a small uptick in case numbers here and there is nothing to be concerned about.  Coronavirus is a part of our lives now and will be forever.  You will likely get a yearly COVID booster every year with your flu shot.  People will die of it this year, next year, the year after that, etc.  The goal is to minimize that as much as possible with vaccines and get it down to an "acceptable" level (not trying to sound morbid or sound insensitive by saying an acceptable level) but to where is really is similar to something like a seasonal flu.  That is the end game here, not elimination of the virus in whole.

The EURO summer tour is a totally different story as many countries wont be vaccinated by June and the borders are going to be tough.  But a fall show in the US is completely on the table still.

RatherStarved

Herd immunity on any national or even regional scale is unlikely to be achieved in 2021.  There will be too many pockets of anti vaxxers etc.  If herd immunity is the standard we can shut down all these discussions now.  However I don’t think there has to be herd immunity to have a show that only vaccinated people can attend, for example. 

PJNB

Jearlpam0925 said:

CO278952 said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

No question. With all that said, people like to think we're already out of this when that is no where near the case. And in light of all that good news, numbers are trending back up again.

We are getting out of it

I appreciate the sentiment.. But we are not out of it. And getting out of it doesn't mean going back to exactly the way things were before. Numbers are ticking up right now and you need herd immunity at a certain threshold to be "out of it."

I get that the fall seems fast with the numbers still where they are at. I also get that the challenge to get to herd immunity is going to be damn near impossible with the number of people that will choose to not be vaccinated. That said numbers today have nothing to do with the fall.  At some point we are not going to be talking about cases so much anymore and focusing on hospitalizations and deaths. Also I predict the media, especially the left leaning, to focus on the deaths and hospitalizations from those that were vaccinated and those that were not. That may sway some of the non vaccinated people to take the shot but aside from kids getting the vaccine there is a point coming fast this summer where we are going to be pretty much as good as it gets with regards to vaccinating.

What would your reasoning be then to keep restrictions in place? If you do think they should still be in place what is the next step to get them lifted? 

Jearlpam0925

CO278952 said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

CO278952 said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

No question. With all that said, people like to think we're already out of this when that is no where near the case. And in light of all that good news, numbers are trending back up again.

We are getting out of it

I appreciate the sentiment.. But we are not out of it. And getting out of it doesn't mean going back to exactly the way things were before. Numbers are ticking up right now and you need herd immunity at a certain threshold to be "out of it."

I am saying we are getting out of it. Not that we are out of it yet. Once everyone who wants one has been vaccinated it’s time to move on. 

I mean that would be cool if that's how this all works, but unfortunately it's not. There's no "moving on". I mean, evidently, we will, because of course we're collectively too fucking stupid to learn anything from this. Just wake up, I'm vaxed, boop boop back to normal.

Once we reach herd immunity then we can, sorta, maybe, "move on". Not when everyone who wanted a shot gets one - if that number is like 40%, 50%, 60% (I don't know, pick a number that's below herd immunity) of the population then we're most definitely not out of it.

Jearlpam0925

PJNB said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

CO278952 said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

No question. With all that said, people like to think we're already out of this when that is no where near the case. And in light of all that good news, numbers are trending back up again.

We are getting out of it

I appreciate the sentiment.. But we are not out of it. And getting out of it doesn't mean going back to exactly the way things were before. Numbers are ticking up right now and you need herd immunity at a certain threshold to be "out of it."

I get that the fall seems fast with the numbers still where they are at. I also get that the challenge to get to herd immunity is going to be damn near impossible with the number of people that will choose to not be vaccinated. That said numbers today have nothing to do with the fall.  At some point we are not going to be talking about cases so much anymore and focusing on hospitalizations and deaths. Also I predict the media, especially the left leaning, to focus on the deaths and hospitalizations from those that were vaccinated and those that were not. That may sway some of the non vaccinated people to take the shot but aside from kids getting the vaccine there is a point coming fast this summer where we are going to be pretty much as good as it gets with regards to vaccinating.

What would your reasoning be then to keep restrictions in place? If you do think they should still be in place what is the next step to get them lifted? 

The reasoning would be the reasoning all along - science, not politicians. That's the fuck-all of all this. Depending on your perspective of this from a political standpoint you can argue for different reasoning behind this re: guidelines and the such. But from a scientific/public health standpoint If you're not hitting herd immunity you're not getting rid of the disease. If you don't get rid of the disease it is given room to "breathe" and mutate to something that possibly gets worse, more resistant to the vaccine. We are incredibly lucky that this thing apparently doesn't affect kids. What if, because we can't hit herd immunity, and I decide on an individual level that because I'm vaxed that I don't have to adhere to any social distancing protocols?  Then on and on we go. 

But to specifically answer your question - they should be in place. They should be in place until from a public health standpoint you can say we've hit herd immunity.

on2legs

Jearlpam0925 said:

CO278952 said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

CO278952 said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

No question. With all that said, people like to think we're already out of this when that is no where near the case. And in light of all that good news, numbers are trending back up again.

We are getting out of it

I appreciate the sentiment.. But we are not out of it. And getting out of it doesn't mean going back to exactly the way things were before. Numbers are ticking up right now and you need herd immunity at a certain threshold to be "out of it."

I am saying we are getting out of it. Not that we are out of it yet. Once everyone who wants one has been vaccinated it’s time to move on. 

I mean that would be cool if that's how this all works, but unfortunately it's not. There's no "moving on". I mean, evidently, we will, because of course we're collectively too fucking stupid to learn anything from this. Just wake up, I'm vaxed, boop boop back to normal.

Once we reach herd immunity then we can, sorta, maybe, "move on". Not when everyone who wanted a shot gets one - if that number is like 40%, 50%, 60% (I don't know, pick a number that's below herd immunity) of the population then we're most definitely not out of it.

Why is a positive attitude so triggering to you?