Sea. Hear. Now Festival 2020 Update

PJNB

Nobody is asking for half assing anything though and I do not see how wanting shows after everyone is vaccinated that wants to be is rushing things. Just my thoughts I guess. 

So the suggestion is to wait and see how the vaccine does after a full winter cycle. We can then determine the length of immunity against the virus. That makes sense to me too but what if we find out that we are only good for 1 full year with the vaccine. Now people that got the winter shot in 2021 are no longer immune in the spring of 2022. But wait those that got it in the summer of 2021 are still immune so where do go from here with restrictions and boosters and keeping track of everything? No matter what we will be getting boosters for the next couple of years. They will adjust them to the variants out there and at the end of the day science will prevail and we will be back to normal at some point. Concerts are a big part of that normal for me and I for one am excited to get back into seeing shows again. 

PJNB

Jearlpam0925 said:

JH6056 said:

CO278952 said:

Get_Right said:

No harm in delaying rock concerts. Better safe than sorry. It's not that complicated.

There is harm to those who earn a living in the concert industry, workers and vendors that support the events and venues for large scale events. There is a mental health issue as well. 

And your point is EXACTLY why when we DO go back to live shows, we sure as hell better do it to the best and safest of our ability.  You think the impact on the live show industry hurts now? Do you understand how much longer this will be drawn out if we half-ass it at all and rush getting back to each level of live music?  It takes one poorly-managed re-opening of live shows to send a chill through the industry and disrupt finding "the new normal" for live music in the US.

So what you say is true, and it's been brutal.  AND... rushing a return could extend it even longer, so please keep that in mind.

Not to open up an unrelated can of worms but just look at school reopenings nationwide for clues about how disruptive doing it badly to start can be to the goal of doing it everywhere. The differences between the districts that opened with strict rules, ENFORCED THOSE RULES, and did contact tracing of cohorts of students, vs. those who rushed to reopen, had outbreaks, couldn't contact trace, and had to yo-yo back and forth open, not open, and more importantly LOSE A TON OF GREAT TEACHERS (some to death by Covid) because schools were letting pressure to open make decisions instead of what was best for students and teachers.  And NO I was not against reopening school altogether.  I just worked in education for years and understand the difference in HOW you open.

Oooooohhh, haha, can of worms opened in indeed. Wife is a teacher, it's crazy. I bet you could find a lot of correlation in here between those who want these shows started yesterday damnit and the same people who want their kids and teachers back in school yesterday damnit.

Who in this discussion wants there shows to happen yesterday? I must have missed that post and if there is one then they are wrong imo. It is too early.

Jearlpam0925

PJNB said:

Nobody is asking for half assing anything though and I do not see how wanting shows after everyone is vaccinated that wants to be is rushing things. Just my thoughts I guess. 

So the suggestion is to wait and see how the vaccine does after a full winter cycle. We can then determine the length of immunity against the virus. That makes sense to me too but what if we find out that we are only good for 1 full year with the vaccine. Now people that got the winter shot in 2021 are no longer immune in the spring of 2022. But wait those that got it in the summer of 2021 are still immune so where do go from here with restrictions and boosters and keeping track of everything? No matter what we will be getting boosters for the next couple of years. They will adjust them to the variants out there and at the end of the day science will prevail and we will be back to normal at some point. Concerts are a big part of that normal for me and I for one am excited to get back into seeing shows again. 

I think that's the whole point right? So many unanswered questions still, so much more we have to take in.

I want to get to some shows, too. But a lot of these conversations are part of a larger issue of what that new normal looks like. I personally don't think we're going back to what things were like pre-2020 anytime soon.

PJNB

Jearlpam0925 said:

PJNB said:

Nobody is asking for half assing anything though and I do not see how wanting shows after everyone is vaccinated that wants to be is rushing things. Just my thoughts I guess. 

So the suggestion is to wait and see how the vaccine does after a full winter cycle. We can then determine the length of immunity against the virus. That makes sense to me too but what if we find out that we are only good for 1 full year with the vaccine. Now people that got the winter shot in 2021 are no longer immune in the spring of 2022. But wait those that got it in the summer of 2021 are still immune so where do go from here with restrictions and boosters and keeping track of everything? No matter what we will be getting boosters for the next couple of years. They will adjust them to the variants out there and at the end of the day science will prevail and we will be back to normal at some point. Concerts are a big part of that normal for me and I for one am excited to get back into seeing shows again. 

I think that's the whole point right? So many unanswered questions still, so much more we have to take in.

I want to get to some shows, too. But a lot of these conversations are part of a larger issue of what that new normal looks like. I personally don't think we're going back to what things were like pre-2020 anytime soon.

I respectfully hope you are wrong and think we should be able to if the vaccine does what it looks like it will. My point with the unanswered questions is that we are going to have unanswered questions for years to come with this virus still. At what point do we say enough is enough and we are good to go? 

PJNB

I do feel bad for someone that has not been on the forum the last couple of days to pop on and see 100 new posts and thinks something is up with the festival just to come and read all of our back and forth lol. 

JimmyV

PJNB said:

I do feel bad for someone that has not been on the forum the last couple of days to pop on and see 100 new posts and thinks something is up with the festival just to come and read all of our back and forth lol. 

Always enjoy seeing your posts, my dude. 

JH6056

PJNB said:

Nobody is asking for half assing anything though and I do not see how wanting shows after everyone is vaccinated that wants to be is rushing things. Just my thoughts I guess. 

So the suggestion is to wait and see how the vaccine does after a full winter cycle. We can then determine the length of immunity against the virus. That makes sense to me too but what if we find out that we are only good for 1 full year with the vaccine. Now people that got the winter shot in 2021 are no longer immune in the spring of 2022. But wait those that got it in the summer of 2021 are still immune so where do go from here with restrictions and boosters and keeping track of everything? No matter what we will be getting boosters for the next couple of years. They will adjust them to the variants out there and at the end of the day science will prevail and we will be back to normal at some point. Concerts are a big part of that normal for me and I for one am excited to get back into seeing shows again. 

Actually, I'm not suggesting it takes going through another winter cycle to know what needs to be known.  I just think this SUMMER/FALL for festivals may be hard to know by June-ish (when you have to say "GO!" or pull the plug) that it'll be safe by Aug/Sept/Oct for *outside* shows.  Even later for inside shows.  That's the only conversation and timeline I'm thinking about. 

And for those BOOKING concerts and festivals, for so many obvious reasons but mostly because they do NOT want to have to cancel again, you push out the dates for when you tour NOT to when you really hope it'll be ok and "it looks promising", but to when science and trends and experts all say it's highly likely that we'll be at a point by then that it can be done safely.  We are NOT at that point right now, and decisions have to be made now.

And bottom line is, given how quickly we've learned what we have about what has been unprecedented for almost anyone alive right now, there's good reason to feel hopeful about knowing enough by next year to pull off touring.  Even if vaccines need boosters and all that other uncertainty.

Get_Right

Also, for shows that are booked now for the summer and fall, they have my money and will get to keep it even if the event is postponed. You are welcome Wilco.

D-Rod

JimmyV said:

PJNB said:

I do feel bad for someone that has not been on the forum the last couple of days to pop on and see 100 new posts and thinks something is up with the festival just to come and read all of our back and forth lol. 

Always enjoy seeing your posts, my dude. 

almost,  was offline for 24 hours and came back to 35 new posts.   BTW did I miss anything?  Was Rick Astley announced as the opener? 

mcgruff10

D-Rod said:

JimmyV said:

PJNB said:

I do feel bad for someone that has not been on the forum the last couple of days to pop on and see 100 new posts and thinks something is up with the festival just to come and read all of our back and forth lol. 

Always enjoy seeing your posts, my dude. 

almost,  was offline for 24 hours and came back to 35 new posts.   BTW did I miss anything?  Was Rick Astley announced as the opener? 

@D-Rod are you also heading to this festival?

PJNB

JH6056 said:

PJNB said:

Nobody is asking for half assing anything though and I do not see how wanting shows after everyone is vaccinated that wants to be is rushing things. Just my thoughts I guess. 

So the suggestion is to wait and see how the vaccine does after a full winter cycle. We can then determine the length of immunity against the virus. That makes sense to me too but what if we find out that we are only good for 1 full year with the vaccine. Now people that got the winter shot in 2021 are no longer immune in the spring of 2022. But wait those that got it in the summer of 2021 are still immune so where do go from here with restrictions and boosters and keeping track of everything? No matter what we will be getting boosters for the next couple of years. They will adjust them to the variants out there and at the end of the day science will prevail and we will be back to normal at some point. Concerts are a big part of that normal for me and I for one am excited to get back into seeing shows again. 

Actually, I'm not suggesting it takes going through another winter cycle to know what needs to be known.  I just think this SUMMER/FALL for festivals may be hard to know by June-ish (when you have to say "GO!" or pull the plug) that it'll be safe by Aug/Sept/Oct for *outside* shows.  Even later for inside shows.  That's the only conversation and timeline I'm thinking about. 

And for those BOOKING concerts and festivals, for so many obvious reasons but mostly because they do NOT want to have to cancel again, you push out the dates for when you tour NOT to when you really hope it'll be ok and "it looks promising", but to when science and trends and experts all say it's highly likely that we'll be at a point by then that it can be done safely.  We are NOT at that point right now, and decisions have to be made now.

And bottom line is, given how quickly we've learned what we have about what has been unprecedented for almost anyone alive right now, there's good reason to feel hopeful about knowing enough by next year to pull off touring.  Even if vaccines need boosters and all that other uncertainty.

Good points and I hope you are right about 2022. 

D-Rod said:

JimmyV said:

PJNB said:

I do feel bad for someone that has not been on the forum the last couple of days to pop on and see 100 new posts and thinks something is up with the festival just to come and read all of our back and forth lol. 

Always enjoy seeing your posts, my dude. 

almost,  was offline for 24 hours and came back to 35 new posts.   BTW did I miss anything?  Was Rick Astley announced as the opener? 

@JimmyV we had some great discussions in the past! Hopefully when the new dates come for NA the activity on the boards pick up again and we can continue them. I have no clue how I can fit a Boston show in in 2022 but can't miss one of those if they have them.

@D-Rod are you thinking of the Foo Fighters lol? 

PJNB

Optimistic of course. Doable? Time will tell. This is why some think festivals might happen this year. 

LeafsJaysCubsRaptorsFan

PJNB

LeafsJaysCubsRaptorsFan said:

Very interesting! Is this legit. I think I remember they rescheduled awhile back but was unsure if they headliners.

LeafsJaysCubsRaptorsFan

PJNB said:

LeafsJaysCubsRaptorsFan said:

Very interesting! Is this legit. I think I remember they rescheduled awhile back but was unsure if they headliners.

This is the official lineup with minor changes still needing to be confirmed

LeafsJaysCubsRaptorsFan

LeafsJaysCubsRaptorsFan

LeafsJaysCubsRaptorsFan

lmckenney24

Another big reggae festival in Clearwater, FL in October my brother sent me a message about. Big names in that genre.

I think fall is promising, at least for these outdoor festivals.

Weston1283

lmckenney24 said:

Another big reggae festival in Clearwater, FL in October my brother sent me a message about. Big names in that genre.

I think fall is promising, at least for these outdoor festivals.

Yes.  I believe that the NA 2020 tour will still be moved to Spring 2022, but I am of full belief that Ohana and Sea.Hear.Now will go on as planned this fall