Ohana Festival Update

HughFreakingDillon

curmudgeoness said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

given2fly23 said:

bbiggs said:

given2fly23 said:

F Me In The Brain said:

Don't call out vaccinated people who opt out of shows because they don't want to mask up.
They aren't spreading misinformation....they are not working to try and spread the virus - they are fully vaccinated.
Right to choose to stay home is a position I would think we should respect 1000%.
I won't, right now, go to a show , even one that requires vaccinations even if I do wear a mask.  I'm fully vaccinated and am being very selective on what I venture into the masses to do.  Right now, concerts are not high enough on my list.  We all love Pearl Jam, I'm sure we all would love to see Pearl Jam.  Some of the settings are not ones we choose to be in.

In the case of concerts/events and the decisions to go forward or cancel, the voices refusing to wear a mask have the same effect as anti-vaxxers.  You think bands would be canceling if they had 100% cooperation from fans or a good way to enforce rules?  Airlines are functioning smoothly for the most part because passengers know their options are to mask up or be removed/arrested. 100% agree on the right to stay home.  If it was up to me, all concerts would be small enough to enforce rules right now.  Those of us willing to follow the rules could go, behave and enjoy the show.  Everyone else can stay home. But when you go full capacity knowing that fans will complain about every little thing as the situation changes on a daily basis, I don't blame big bands for not wanting to deal with it.

Give me a break.  There is literally a vaccine mandate (or negative test) to go to this outdoor show.  You're way off base with this. 

The problem is that vaccines aren't enough to stop the spread right now. Vaccinated people are getting COVID (though the hosp/death rate is super-low). This is a new development since these shows were announced/sold, so if the venue/promoter/band has to adjust the requirements, so what? No one can predict the where the virus is going and some flexibility has to be acceptable. If it isn't to someone, then they should stay home, because the situation will probably change again next week. I stand by my statement.

haven't we known pretty much since the vaccines came out that the vaccine doesn't stop the spread? I don't feel like this is new information. 

It is new information.  With the original variant, vaccinated people who were exposed to covid either didn't get sick and didn't spread, OR got a very mild case with a low viral load and thus were UNlikely to spread it to others.

Delta is different in that the viral load carried by a vaccinated person who gets infected can be something like 1000x what it was with the original virus. In other words, vaccinated people who are infected with delta (now the dominant strain in the US) are just as contagious/infectious as unvaccinated people with covid.

yes, delta is more contagious. but vaccines have never stopped the spread. it was just poorly worded, in my opinion, on his part. 

curmudgeoness

HughFreakingDillon said:

curmudgeoness said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

given2fly23 said:

bbiggs said:

given2fly23 said:

F Me In The Brain said:

Don't call out vaccinated people who opt out of shows because they don't want to mask up.
They aren't spreading misinformation....they are not working to try and spread the virus - they are fully vaccinated.
Right to choose to stay home is a position I would think we should respect 1000%.
I won't, right now, go to a show , even one that requires vaccinations even if I do wear a mask.  I'm fully vaccinated and am being very selective on what I venture into the masses to do.  Right now, concerts are not high enough on my list.  We all love Pearl Jam, I'm sure we all would love to see Pearl Jam.  Some of the settings are not ones we choose to be in.

In the case of concerts/events and the decisions to go forward or cancel, the voices refusing to wear a mask have the same effect as anti-vaxxers.  You think bands would be canceling if they had 100% cooperation from fans or a good way to enforce rules?  Airlines are functioning smoothly for the most part because passengers know their options are to mask up or be removed/arrested. 100% agree on the right to stay home.  If it was up to me, all concerts would be small enough to enforce rules right now.  Those of us willing to follow the rules could go, behave and enjoy the show.  Everyone else can stay home. But when you go full capacity knowing that fans will complain about every little thing as the situation changes on a daily basis, I don't blame big bands for not wanting to deal with it.

Give me a break.  There is literally a vaccine mandate (or negative test) to go to this outdoor show.  You're way off base with this. 

The problem is that vaccines aren't enough to stop the spread right now. Vaccinated people are getting COVID (though the hosp/death rate is super-low). This is a new development since these shows were announced/sold, so if the venue/promoter/band has to adjust the requirements, so what? No one can predict the where the virus is going and some flexibility has to be acceptable. If it isn't to someone, then they should stay home, because the situation will probably change again next week. I stand by my statement.

haven't we known pretty much since the vaccines came out that the vaccine doesn't stop the spread? I don't feel like this is new information. 

It is new information.  With the original variant, vaccinated people who were exposed to covid either didn't get sick and didn't spread, OR got a very mild case with a low viral load and thus were UNlikely to spread it to others.

Delta is different in that the viral load carried by a vaccinated person who gets infected can be something like 1000x what it was with the original virus. In other words, vaccinated people who are infected with delta (now the dominant strain in the US) are just as contagious/infectious as unvaccinated people with covid.

yes, delta is more contagious. but vaccines have never stopped the spread. it was just poorly worded, in my opinion, on his part. 

Well, the vaccines were stopping the spread until delta became dominant. They're still slowing the spread, because the large majority of vaccinated people who are exposed to delta will not get infected and thus will not spread it further.

JeBurkhardt

huntersthompson said:

JeBurkhardt said:

huntersthompson said:

Is there any thinking that the decision to forge on will come down to a division between the musical "haves" and "have-not's"?  Bands that can afford (personally) to forego touring for now (another year?) will respond like Neil Young and Trent Reznor.  They will operate with "an abundance of caution" while younger, less established bands will make the decision to stop touring only if they are forced to.  At this point, with the way the music industry is relying less on sales and more on gate receipts + merch, there is a chance that we are going to see a void of young bands who just couldn't get by.

I read an interview with Jason Isbell that talked about it. He said that the Stevie Nicks' of the entertainment world can cancel because they have the money to fall back on. Smaller acts such him don't have that luxury. I have tickets to 3 concerts this Fall: Son Volt, Drive By Truckers and Bob Mould. I would consider all of them smaller acts that rely on touring revenue, (maybe not Bob so much) so it will be interesting to see what they do with their shows.

@JeBurkhardt it sounds like you and I could be friends solely based on your ticket purchasing choices...hope you get to see all three....

I can only hope. 

given2fly23

Beginning October 17th, anyone attending a concert at DMV venues including The Anthem, 9:30 Club, Merriweather Post Pavilion, and Lincoln Theatre will need to provide proof of full vaccination status to enter: cos.lv/lupB30rRxfa 

Additional safety considerations come from Washington DC Mayor Muriel Bowser. Guests must wear a mask at all times inside of The Anthem, 9:30 Club, and Lincoln Theatre, unless they are eating or drinking. This rule does not extend to Merriweather Post Pavilion, which is outside and 30 miles away in Maryland.

F Me In The Brain

Why beginning Oct 17th?
If they believe it is for the best, why wait?
Is this meant to mostly act as motivation to non vaccinated folks to get vaccinated?
How each area rolls out their changes is head scratching.

Matts3221

F Me In The Brain said:

Don't call out vaccinated people who opt out of shows because they don't want to mask up.
They aren't spreading misinformation....they are not working to try and spread the virus - they are fully vaccinated.
Right to choose to stay home is a position I would think we should respect 1000%.
I won't, right now, go to a show , even one that requires vaccinations even if I do wear a mask.  I'm fully vaccinated and am being very selective on what I venture into the masses to do.  Right now, concerts are not high enough on my list.  We all love Pearl Jam, I'm sure we all would love to see Pearl Jam.  Some of the settings are not ones we choose to be in.

So yeah I went to a show on July 2nd and I am so glad I did , it was at the point cases were so low and CDC guidance said being inside was ok. I was still a little nervous but had a great time.

Fast forward to a month an a half later , an increase of over 1000% in cases in my area. Fully vaxxed and you are not going to find me at a show.

Without sounding dramatic it just seems to much of a danger , I can understand why bands are pulling out of tours left and right. Most are saying they feel they cannot keep fans safe and that is unfair to their fans.

If a band wants to move on and someone wants to go to a show I am not going to say they are wrong to go at all. Just personally were I fall on this.

We had a chance to get everyone vaccinated and missed that mark so hard. I know much less death right now but numbers are higher than they were last year and I do think this fall / winter is going to suck with it all coming back full force.

emptycupinthemiddleofthesea

Daily positivity rate in LA County is down to 3% and Orange County is down to 4%. That's of everyone that is tested. California isn't dealing with what Florida and Tennessee are dealing with. The state is over 70% vaccinated and people are fine with wearing masks here. We're going to see a continual decline in the coming weeks.

given2fly23

F Me In The Brain said:

Why beginning Oct 17th?
If they believe it is for the best, why wait?
Is this meant to mostly act as motivation to non vaccinated folks to get vaccinated?
How each area rolls out their changes is head scratching.

To give people who are holding tickets but not vaxxed a chance to schedule and get both shots. 

Spunkie

emptycupinthemiddleofthesea said:

Daily positivity rate in LA County is down to 3% and Orange County is down to 4%. That's of everyone that is tested. California isn't dealing with what Florida and Tennessee are dealing with. The state is over 70% vaccinated and people are fine with wearing masks here. We're going to see a continual decline in the coming weeks.

As well as a de-coupling between cases and hospitalizations

JH6056

HughFreakingDillon said:

curmudgeoness said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

given2fly23 said:

bbiggs said:

given2fly23 said:

F Me In The Brain said:

Don't call out vaccinated people who opt out of shows because they don't want to mask up.
They aren't spreading misinformation....they are not working to try and spread the virus - they are fully vaccinated.
Right to choose to stay home is a position I would think we should respect 1000%.
I won't, right now, go to a show , even one that requires vaccinations even if I do wear a mask.  I'm fully vaccinated and am being very selective on what I venture into the masses to do.  Right now, concerts are not high enough on my list.  We all love Pearl Jam, I'm sure we all would love to see Pearl Jam.  Some of the settings are not ones we choose to be in.

In the case of concerts/events and the decisions to go forward or cancel, the voices refusing to wear a mask have the same effect as anti-vaxxers.  You think bands would be canceling if they had 100% cooperation from fans or a good way to enforce rules?  Airlines are functioning smoothly for the most part because passengers know their options are to mask up or be removed/arrested. 100% agree on the right to stay home.  If it was up to me, all concerts would be small enough to enforce rules right now.  Those of us willing to follow the rules could go, behave and enjoy the show.  Everyone else can stay home. But when you go full capacity knowing that fans will complain about every little thing as the situation changes on a daily basis, I don't blame big bands for not wanting to deal with it.

Give me a break.  There is literally a vaccine mandate (or negative test) to go to this outdoor show.  You're way off base with this. 

The problem is that vaccines aren't enough to stop the spread right now. Vaccinated people are getting COVID (though the hosp/death rate is super-low). This is a new development since these shows were announced/sold, so if the venue/promoter/band has to adjust the requirements, so what? No one can predict the where the virus is going and some flexibility has to be acceptable. If it isn't to someone, then they should stay home, because the situation will probably change again next week. I stand by my statement.

haven't we known pretty much since the vaccines came out that the vaccine doesn't stop the spread? I don't feel like this is new information. 

It is new information.  With the original variant, vaccinated people who were exposed to covid either didn't get sick and didn't spread, OR got a very mild case with a low viral load and thus were UNlikely to spread it to others.

Delta is different in that the viral load carried by a vaccinated person who gets infected can be something like 1000x what it was with the original virus. In other words, vaccinated people who are infected with delta (now the dominant strain in the US) are just as contagious/infectious as unvaccinated people with covid.

yes, delta is more contagious. but vaccines have never stopped the spread. it was just poorly worded, in my opinion, on his part. 

Of course vaccines were stopping the spread. We had a period of the lowest new cases, lowest hospital admissions, and lowest deaths from Covid a couple of months ago, and hospitals were mostly able to breathe for a moment.  The only major thing that had changed by then was  people getting vaxxed.

Now the Delta variant means being vaxxed is stopping us vaxxed people from getting sick at all or really sick and stopping us from dying of it, but we are now able to spread Delta almost as much as unvaxxed people, so small children & immuno-compromised people are once again especially vulnerable.  And, the confusing masks rules which, honestly knowing there would never be an easy way to tell who was vaxxed or not meant they should not have done away with masks for vaxxed people so quickly.  Open up and start doing events again, but everyone masks still made sense then, and now we're going back to it because we have to.

Wishing everyone the best for this fest and all of them!

HughFreakingDillon

JH6056 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

curmudgeoness said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

given2fly23 said:

bbiggs said:

given2fly23 said:

F Me In The Brain said:

Don't call out vaccinated people who opt out of shows because they don't want to mask up.
They aren't spreading misinformation....they are not working to try and spread the virus - they are fully vaccinated.
Right to choose to stay home is a position I would think we should respect 1000%.
I won't, right now, go to a show , even one that requires vaccinations even if I do wear a mask.  I'm fully vaccinated and am being very selective on what I venture into the masses to do.  Right now, concerts are not high enough on my list.  We all love Pearl Jam, I'm sure we all would love to see Pearl Jam.  Some of the settings are not ones we choose to be in.

In the case of concerts/events and the decisions to go forward or cancel, the voices refusing to wear a mask have the same effect as anti-vaxxers.  You think bands would be canceling if they had 100% cooperation from fans or a good way to enforce rules?  Airlines are functioning smoothly for the most part because passengers know their options are to mask up or be removed/arrested. 100% agree on the right to stay home.  If it was up to me, all concerts would be small enough to enforce rules right now.  Those of us willing to follow the rules could go, behave and enjoy the show.  Everyone else can stay home. But when you go full capacity knowing that fans will complain about every little thing as the situation changes on a daily basis, I don't blame big bands for not wanting to deal with it.

Give me a break.  There is literally a vaccine mandate (or negative test) to go to this outdoor show.  You're way off base with this. 

The problem is that vaccines aren't enough to stop the spread right now. Vaccinated people are getting COVID (though the hosp/death rate is super-low). This is a new development since these shows were announced/sold, so if the venue/promoter/band has to adjust the requirements, so what? No one can predict the where the virus is going and some flexibility has to be acceptable. If it isn't to someone, then they should stay home, because the situation will probably change again next week. I stand by my statement.

haven't we known pretty much since the vaccines came out that the vaccine doesn't stop the spread? I don't feel like this is new information. 

It is new information.  With the original variant, vaccinated people who were exposed to covid either didn't get sick and didn't spread, OR got a very mild case with a low viral load and thus were UNlikely to spread it to others.

Delta is different in that the viral load carried by a vaccinated person who gets infected can be something like 1000x what it was with the original virus. In other words, vaccinated people who are infected with delta (now the dominant strain in the US) are just as contagious/infectious as unvaccinated people with covid.

yes, delta is more contagious. but vaccines have never stopped the spread. it was just poorly worded, in my opinion, on his part. 

Of course vaccines were stopping the spread. We had a period of the lowest new cases, lowest hospital admissions, and lowest deaths from Covid a couple of months ago, and hospitals were mostly able to breathe for a moment.  The only major thing that had changed by then was  people getting vaxxed.

Now the Delta variant means being vaxxed is stopping us vaxxed people from getting sick at all or really sick and stopping us from dying of it, but we are now able to spread Delta almost as much as unvaxxed people, so small children & immuno-compromised people are once again especially vulnerable.  And, the confusing masks rules which, honestly knowing there would never be an easy way to tell who was vaxxed or not meant they should not have done away with masks for vaxxed people so quickly.  Open up and start doing events again, but everyone masks still made sense then, and now we're going back to it because we have to.

Wishing everyone the best for this fest and all of them!

ugh. of course they SLOW the spread, but they don't stop it outright. #wordsmatter

Spunkie

Ugh... critical reading skills in the am! I had read that wrong too, Hugh! 

Spartanacus

bbiggs said:

given2fly23 said:

PJNB said:

given2fly23 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

the PJ shows are outdoors. I can't imagine they'll be cancelled. 

All the NIN shows were outdoors (CLE x2 and a bunch of festivals).

Cleveland has a roof but ya still mostly considered outdoors with the sides wide open. 

I find these cancelations so odd. We get all of this positive news that vax/neg test only shows are happening safely and bands are still pulling out. 

I blame the anti-vaxxers and those who whine about masks. Is it really that hard to wear a fucking mask to protect yourself and your neighbor?! If I asked you (not you specifically @PJNB ) right now “would you wear a mask if it meant you could see Pearl Jam tonight?” would you even hesitate to say “fuck yeah”? If you’d refuse, then just stay home and let the adults enjoy life. Fuck!

To each, their own.  If I'm required to wear a mask at an outdoor show, on top of being vaxed, then I'd easily bow out. 

Same...actually I'd just go and not wear it.  Good luck enforcing something like that.  

CROJAM95

The whole vax vs antivax clearly shows people who peaked in hs, maybe jr high

I won’t say which side peaked (vaxxed or anti) you can figure that one out 

huntersthompson

HughFreakingDillon said:

JH6056 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

curmudgeoness said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

given2fly23 said:

bbiggs said:

given2fly23 said:

F Me In The Brain said:

Don't call out vaccinated people who opt out of shows because they don't want to mask up.
They aren't spreading misinformation....they are not working to try and spread the virus - they are fully vaccinated.
Right to choose to stay home is a position I would think we should respect 1000%.
I won't, right now, go to a show , even one that requires vaccinations even if I do wear a mask.  I'm fully vaccinated and am being very selective on what I venture into the masses to do.  Right now, concerts are not high enough on my list.  We all love Pearl Jam, I'm sure we all would love to see Pearl Jam.  Some of the settings are not ones we choose to be in.

In the case of concerts/events and the decisions to go forward or cancel, the voices refusing to wear a mask have the same effect as anti-vaxxers.  You think bands would be canceling if they had 100% cooperation from fans or a good way to enforce rules?  Airlines are functioning smoothly for the most part because passengers know their options are to mask up or be removed/arrested. 100% agree on the right to stay home.  If it was up to me, all concerts would be small enough to enforce rules right now.  Those of us willing to follow the rules could go, behave and enjoy the show.  Everyone else can stay home. But when you go full capacity knowing that fans will complain about every little thing as the situation changes on a daily basis, I don't blame big bands for not wanting to deal with it.

Give me a break.  There is literally a vaccine mandate (or negative test) to go to this outdoor show.  You're way off base with this. 

The problem is that vaccines aren't enough to stop the spread right now. Vaccinated people are getting COVID (though the hosp/death rate is super-low). This is a new development since these shows were announced/sold, so if the venue/promoter/band has to adjust the requirements, so what? No one can predict the where the virus is going and some flexibility has to be acceptable. If it isn't to someone, then they should stay home, because the situation will probably change again next week. I stand by my statement.

haven't we known pretty much since the vaccines came out that the vaccine doesn't stop the spread? I don't feel like this is new information. 

It is new information.  With the original variant, vaccinated people who were exposed to covid either didn't get sick and didn't spread, OR got a very mild case with a low viral load and thus were UNlikely to spread it to others.

Delta is different in that the viral load carried by a vaccinated person who gets infected can be something like 1000x what it was with the original virus. In other words, vaccinated people who are infected with delta (now the dominant strain in the US) are just as contagious/infectious as unvaccinated people with covid.

yes, delta is more contagious. but vaccines have never stopped the spread. it was just poorly worded, in my opinion, on his part. 

Of course vaccines were stopping the spread. We had a period of the lowest new cases, lowest hospital admissions, and lowest deaths from Covid a couple of months ago, and hospitals were mostly able to breathe for a moment.  The only major thing that had changed by then was  people getting vaxxed.

Now the Delta variant means being vaxxed is stopping us vaxxed people from getting sick at all or really sick and stopping us from dying of it, but we are now able to spread Delta almost as much as unvaxxed people, so small children & immuno-compromised people are once again especially vulnerable.  And, the confusing masks rules which, honestly knowing there would never be an easy way to tell who was vaxxed or not meant they should not have done away with masks for vaxxed people so quickly.  Open up and start doing events again, but everyone masks still made sense then, and now we're going back to it because we have to.

Wishing everyone the best for this fest and all of them!

ugh. of course they SLOW the spread, but they don't stop it outright. #wordsmatte   

@HughFreakingDillon - you are absolutely correct.
        The way the vaccine has been promoted has caused this interpretive fogginess.  So many people were lead to believe that the vaccine would keep them from contracting Covid...all along it has been known by the medical community that the vaccine would lessen the symptoms and virtually eliminate deaths for people who caught the virus.  Even with vaccines, the virus will still work its' way through the community...but the rate of death will be greatly reduced.  The reason that "reported" cases slowed is that people who would  test positive were not going to get tested because they didn't feel sick--the vaccine is doing the job for which it is intended.  The Delta variant is a more transmittable version of the virus (3-4 times more contagious).  The reported numbers are going up because it is moving through the population more effectively and efficiently-infecting more people more quickly who pass it along at an ever increasing rate. 

Still...people (without comorbidity issues-diabetes, heart disease, obesity and old age primarily) with vaccinations are not dying at a measurable rate.

The good news, if there is any, is that, because of the high transmission rate of the Delta variant, the number of people who are exposed to Covid and have shown little or no effect has increased. While many of those people may not have received the vaccine, they will form the antibodies and be (at least partially) protected from getting or passing the virus along in the future.

If the efficacy of a vaccine isn't clear by the difference in the rate of infection and rate of death between the vaccinated and non-vaccinated to people at this point, I don't know what to say.  

Spunkie

I hope my child passes the covid test in 5 weeks and 5 days. My city is exploding right now. Likely, she'll have exposure at camp or school, so it seems like it's just a matter of timing.

demetrios

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huntersthompson

demetrios said:

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Just got an email....already sold out

huntersthompson

huntersthompson said:

demetrios said:

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Just got an email....already sold out

Gutted

mfc2006

huntersthompson said:

demetrios said:

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Just got an email....already sold out

What sold out?