Ohana Festival Update

bbiggs

given2fly23 said:

PJNB said:

given2fly23 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

the PJ shows are outdoors. I can't imagine they'll be cancelled. 

All the NIN shows were outdoors (CLE x2 and a bunch of festivals).

Cleveland has a roof but ya still mostly considered outdoors with the sides wide open. 

I find these cancelations so odd. We get all of this positive news that vax/neg test only shows are happening safely and bands are still pulling out. 

I blame the anti-vaxxers and those who whine about masks. Is it really that hard to wear a fucking mask to protect yourself and your neighbor?! If I asked you (not you specifically @PJNB ) right now “would you wear a mask if it meant you could see Pearl Jam tonight?” would you even hesitate to say “fuck yeah”? If you’d refuse, then just stay home and let the adults enjoy life. Fuck!

To each, their own.  If I'm required to wear a mask at an outdoor show, on top of being vaxed, then I'd easily bow out. 

Melzombie

Kiss tour starts today, Megadeth tour starts tomorrow.. Guns n Roses and Phish have been touring...
I thought the NIN shows were safe because it was outdoors and it wasn't an entire tour... just one off's of like 3-4 different cities. 
I was wrong :( They should've just said no vaccinations, you can't attend.. I guess they didn't want to go that route. 

JimmyV

JeBurkhardt said:

huntersthompson said:

Is there any thinking that the decision to forge on will come down to a division between the musical "haves" and "have-not's"?  Bands that can afford (personally) to forego touring for now (another year?) will respond like Neil Young and Trent Reznor.  They will operate with "an abundance of caution" while younger, less established bands will make the decision to stop touring only if they are forced to.  At this point, with the way the music industry is relying less on sales and more on gate receipts + merch, there is a chance that we are going to see a void of young bands who just couldn't get by.

I read an interview with Jason Isbell that talked about it. He said that the Stevie Nicks' of the entertainment world can cancel because they have the money to fall back on. Smaller acts such him don't have that luxury. I have tickets to 3 concerts this Fall: Son Volt, Drive By Truckers and Bob Mould. I would consider all of them smaller acts that rely on touring revenue, (maybe not Bob so much) so it will be interesting to see what they do with their shows.

Meanwhile these two just announced an indoor Fall tour. 

https://www.jambase.com/article/james-taylor-jackson-browne-tour-dates-fall-2021?fbclid=IwAR3ig0i32F2kdf_izQxlgbwaX4YJMfvK7m_f0xdLfHiQIzExwmk1LVMcXY4

toddmrobbins

bbiggs said:

given2fly23 said:

PJNB said:

given2fly23 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

the PJ shows are outdoors. I can't imagine they'll be cancelled. 

All the NIN shows were outdoors (CLE x2 and a bunch of festivals).

Cleveland has a roof but ya still mostly considered outdoors with the sides wide open. 

I find these cancelations so odd. We get all of this positive news that vax/neg test only shows are happening safely and bands are still pulling out. 

I blame the anti-vaxxers and those who whine about masks. Is it really that hard to wear a fucking mask to protect yourself and your neighbor?! If I asked you (not you specifically @PJNB ) right now “would you wear a mask if it meant you could see Pearl Jam tonight?” would you even hesitate to say “fuck yeah”? If you’d refuse, then just stay home and let the adults enjoy life. Fuck!

To each, their own.  If I'm required to wear a mask at an outdoor show, on top of being vaxed, then I'd easily bow out. 

Why bow out?  I am vaccinated and I just attended the Hella Mega show in Boston. I wore a KN95 mask the whole time.  It was amazing to see live music again and neither the mask or the vaccine took away from the experience.

Spunkie

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ComeToTX

JeBurkhardt said:

huntersthompson said:

Is there any thinking that the decision to forge on will come down to a division between the musical "haves" and "have-not's"?  Bands that can afford (personally) to forego touring for now (another year?) will respond like Neil Young and Trent Reznor.  They will operate with "an abundance of caution" while younger, less established bands will make the decision to stop touring only if they are forced to.  At this point, with the way the music industry is relying less on sales and more on gate receipts + merch, there is a chance that we are going to see a void of young bands who just couldn't get by.

I read an interview with Jason Isbell that talked about it. He said that the Stevie Nicks' of the entertainment world can cancel because they have the money to fall back on. Smaller acts such him don't have that luxury. I have tickets to 3 concerts this Fall: Son Volt, Drive By Truckers and Bob Mould. I would consider all of them smaller acts that rely on touring revenue, (maybe not Bob so much) so it will be interesting to see what they do with their shows.

I'm a huge DBT fan too.  I know Patterson said they were struggling to keep things together last year.  That's a band that sells 1,000+ tickets in most places.

PJNB

For me if I have to mask up (never be enforced in a GA pit the size of these fests) I would do it for these shows but absolutely understand those that would not. Financially we have so much invested in this trip that we would not be able to recoup a lot of it back and masking up while annoying is something we would do rather than pass on the shows. 

given2fly23

There is NOTHING that Pearl Jam could ask of me on the basis of fan safety that I would refuse to do at a show.  They have earned that credibility and trust and the shows are THAT important to me.  Everything isn't a conspiracy against you to come take your precious guns and let your neighbor marry his dog.

Gern Blansten

tish said:

bb you have 6K plus posts but would skip the show if they'd require a mask ????????????

He's just that committed

Spunkie

^^ That. (23 redeemed).

Melzombie

for the Nine Inch Nail situation.. I wonder if some of it has to do with the vaccination/testing the festivals are requiring. I would hate to think Trent Reznor is an anti-vaxxer or maybe a bunch of the crew is? 
I don't know.. I could be wrong, but it could be one of the reasons why. 

lmckenney24

PJNB said:

For me if I have to mask up (never be enforced in a GA pit the size of these fests) I would do it for these shows but absolutely understand those that would not. Financially we have so much invested in this trip that we would not be able to recoup a lot of  back and masking up while annoying is something we would do rather than pass on the shows. 

I think it comes down to personal choice, just like getting vaxed. For me personally, there are a few things (concerts happen to be included) that I'm just not willing to wear a mask for, especially in an outdoor setting. 

Everyone will have a different personal opinion, and what they are willing to risk. None of which are wrong, as long as you can live with the choice. I'm vaxed, and hoping these shows go on, and no one will have to make hard personal choices.

JeBurkhardt

JimmyV said:

JeBurkhardt said:

huntersthompson said:

Is there any thinking that the decision to forge on will come down to a division between the musical "haves" and "have-not's"?  Bands that can afford (personally) to forego touring for now (another year?) will respond like Neil Young and Trent Reznor.  They will operate with "an abundance of caution" while younger, less established bands will make the decision to stop touring only if they are forced to.  At this point, with the way the music industry is relying less on sales and more on gate receipts + merch, there is a chance that we are going to see a void of young bands who just couldn't get by.

I read an interview with Jason Isbell that talked about it. He said that the Stevie Nicks' of the entertainment world can cancel because they have the money to fall back on. Smaller acts such him don't have that luxury. I have tickets to 3 concerts this Fall: Son Volt, Drive By Truckers and Bob Mould. I would consider all of them smaller acts that rely on touring revenue, (maybe not Bob so much) so it will be interesting to see what they do with their shows.

Meanwhile these two just announced an indoor Fall tour. 

https://www.jambase.com/article/james-taylor-jackson-browne-tour-dates-fall-2021?fbclid=IwAR3ig0i32F2kdf_izQxlgbwaX4YJMfvK7m_f0xdLfHiQIzExwmk1LVMcXY4

The only consistent thing is the inconsistency. I honestly have no idea.

bbiggs

I'm not anti-mask.  Not in the slightest.  So if any of the comments above are suggesting that, please think again.  That said, yes, I would skip an OUTDOOR festival show that required me to wear a mask.  There is no proven science or logic behind it and for me personally it would take away from the experience. 

Gern Blansten

lmckenney24 said:

PJNB said:

For me if I have to mask up (never be enforced in a GA pit the size of these fests) I would do it for these shows but absolutely understand those that would not. Financially we have so much invested in this trip that we would not be able to recoup a lot of  back and masking up while annoying is something we would do rather than pass on the shows. 

I think it comes down to personal choice, just like getting vaxed. For me personally, there are a few things (concerts happen to be included) that I'm just not willing to wear a mask for, especially in an outdoor setting. 

Everyone will have a different personal opinion, and what they are willing to risk. None of which are wrong, as long as you can live with the choice. I'm vaxed, and hoping these shows go on, and no one will have to make hard personal choices.

I don't want to wear a mask to an outdoor concert but you can bet your ass I will if the artist requests it.

Spunkie

You guys ever hear the "I'd stand in the corner on my head and spit nickels" line?  I suppose guitars are fewer and farther between where I'm at. And it's GIGATON!

JeBurkhardt

Gern Blansten said:

lmckenney24 said:

PJNB said:

For me if I have to mask up (never be enforced in a GA pit the size of these fests) I would do it for these shows but absolutely understand those that would not. Financially we have so much invested in this trip that we would not be able to recoup a lot of  back and masking up while annoying is something we would do rather than pass on the shows. 

I think it comes down to personal choice, just like getting vaxed. For me personally, there are a few things (concerts happen to be included) that I'm just not willing to wear a mask for, especially in an outdoor setting. 

Everyone will have a different personal opinion, and what they are willing to risk. None of which are wrong, as long as you can live with the choice. I'm vaxed, and hoping these shows go on, and no one will have to make hard personal choices.

I don't want to wear a mask to an outdoor concert but you can bet your ass I will if the artist requests it.

We brought our masks to the outdoor Black Crowes concert a couple of weeks ago with the idea that we would wear them if we were packed in tight with people, but our section of the seats wasn't too full, so we didn't wear them. And if they had requested it to attend, we would have worn them.

lmckenney24

Gern Blansten said:

lmckenney24 said:

PJNB said:

For me if I have to mask up (never be enforced in a GA pit the size of these fests) I would do it for these shows but absolutely understand those that would not. Financially we have so much invested in this trip that we would not be able to recoup a lot of  back and masking up while annoying is something we would do rather than pass on the shows. 

I think it comes down to personal choice, just like getting vaxed. For me personally, there are a few things (concerts happen to be included) that I'm just not willing to wear a mask for, especially in an outdoor setting. 

Everyone will have a different personal opinion, and what they are willing to risk. None of which are wrong, as long as you can live with the choice. I'm vaxed, and hoping these shows go on, and no one will have to make hard personal choices.

I don't want to wear a mask to an outdoor concert but you can bet your ass I will if the artist requests it.

100% don't blame you. I wear my mask everywhere I am required to, and have no problem with it. For some reason, I just can't get past wearing it to a concert. At the end of the day, my wife will talk me into it and i'll be there. 

given2fly23

JeBurkhardt said:

Gern Blansten said:

lmckenney24 said:

PJNB said:

For me if I have to mask up (never be enforced in a GA pit the size of these fests) I would do it for these shows but absolutely understand those that would not. Financially we have so much invested in this trip that we would not be able to recoup a lot of  back and masking up while annoying is something we would do rather than pass on the shows. 

I think it comes down to personal choice, just like getting vaxed. For me personally, there are a few things (concerts happen to be included) that I'm just not willing to wear a mask for, especially in an outdoor setting. 

Everyone will have a different personal opinion, and what they are willing to risk. None of which are wrong, as long as you can live with the choice. I'm vaxed, and hoping these shows go on, and no one will have to make hard personal choices.

I don't want to wear a mask to an outdoor concert but you can bet your ass I will if the artist requests it.

We brought our masks to the outdoor Black Crowes concert a couple of weeks ago with the idea that we would wear them if we were packed in tight with people, but our section of the seats wasn't too full, so we didn't wear them. And if they had requested it to attend, we would have worn them.

Same.  Our first big concert was Foo Fighters in Milwaukee (amphitheater) on 7/30.  We stood at the back of the pit and wore our masks the whole time.  No big deal cuz, you know, we're adults.  Minimal masks around us, but it seemed like 75% of people were happy to smoke vape juice into their lungs.  I'm sure they've done THAT research and know the toxic chemicals they're inhaling.

Gern Blansten

JeBurkhardt said:

Gern Blansten said:

lmckenney24 said:

PJNB said:

For me if I have to mask up (never be enforced in a GA pit the size of these fests) I would do it for these shows but absolutely understand those that would not. Financially we have so much invested in this trip that we would not be able to recoup a lot of  back and masking up while annoying is something we would do rather than pass on the shows. 

I think it comes down to personal choice, just like getting vaxed. For me personally, there are a few things (concerts happen to be included) that I'm just not willing to wear a mask for, especially in an outdoor setting. 

Everyone will have a different personal opinion, and what they are willing to risk. None of which are wrong, as long as you can live with the choice. I'm vaxed, and hoping these shows go on, and no one will have to make hard personal choices.

I don't want to wear a mask to an outdoor concert but you can bet your ass I will if the artist requests it.

We brought our masks to the outdoor Black Crowes concert a couple of weeks ago with the idea that we would wear them if we were packed in tight with people, but our section of the seats wasn't too full, so we didn't wear them. And if they had requested it to attend, we would have worn them.

Yeah I think outdoor concerts are good.  I can understand requiring vac cards and negative tests.  With those in place there isn't any reason to cancel.  We either have taken the responsibility of getting vaccinated or we are willing to take the risk.  The risk being much lower since most of the people will be vaccinated.