Washington State is open carry right? And the Faux news photoshop of “armed guards” was proven to be bullshit. Why now, in CHAZ or CHOP, which the right constantly proclaims as lawless, is it an issue for citizens to legally open carry? I’m on the record as being opposed to any side open carrying. It’s like some posters are just dying for blood to be spilled and mayhem to ensue. That said, what’s your point other than there’s guns present? Pretty much like in a lot of America, some places more than others. I guess it’s a lot more like Bundyism and libertarianism then? But next jimjam goes to Seattle, s/he will restore order?
My point is that guns are present. You said they weren't. And of course you brought up the fake Fox News picture. Yes, that was fake. That's why I posted actual videos.
For someone that complains over and over about "responsible" gun owners not being responsible, I would think you would be against just handing out firearms from the back of your car like "Raz" in the second video.
And no, nobody's "dying for blood to be spilled and mayhem to ensue." But there is a possibility that something bad like that could happen. Whether it be a conflict amongst some the people, some bad actors from the outside looking to cause chaos, a showdown with police (if they're ever allowed back to their precinct), etc.
Washington State is open carry right? And the Faux news photoshop of “armed guards” was proven to be bullshit. Why now, in CHAZ or CHOP, which the right constantly proclaims as lawless, is it an issue for citizens to legally open carry? I’m on the record as being opposed to any side open carrying. It’s like some posters are just dying for blood to be spilled and mayhem to ensue. That said, what’s your point other than there’s guns present? Pretty much like in a lot of America, some places more than others. I guess it’s a lot more like Bundyism and libertarianism then? But next jimjam goes to Seattle, s/he will restore order?
My point is that guns are present. You said they weren't. And of course you brought up the fake Fox News picture. Yes, that was fake. That's why I posted actual videos.
For someone that complains over and over about "responsible" gun owners not being responsible, I would think you would be against just handing out firearms from the back of your car like "Raz" in the second video.
And no, nobody's "dying for blood to be spilled and mayhem to ensue." But there is a possibility that something bad like that could happen. Whether it be a conflict amongst some the people, some bad actors from the outside looking to cause chaos, a showdown with police (if they're ever allowed back to their precinct), etc.
Again, I’m on the record as against firearms being possessed by any side during times of protest but you seemed okay with state house protesters protesting quarantine and masks but not Seattle protesters open carrying. Further, do you know which “side” the armed Seattle protestors are on? I’m opposed, even if they’re ANTIFA. And yes, I am opposed to someone handing out guns Willy nilly to anyone. Just another “responsible” gun owner.
Isnt this what the Left wants? You put George Bush's head on a stick filet him slap him around, hate everything about America and capitalism. Well you got what you wanted. https://youtu.be/5nhyhlzLwIw Is Pearl Jam one of the house bands playing as you enter the Utopian country known as as CHOP? Ya know like when you use to be able to go to ballgames & there is a pep band playing in the foyer. Literally the blackout is now going through the cities. And W is nowhere around what happened? That and Howard Zinn's revised history brings us to where we are today. Great job!
My god the trolls out in full force on this board , bums me out.
Washington State is open carry right? And the Faux news photoshop of “armed guards” was proven to be bullshit. Why now, in CHAZ or CHOP, which the right constantly proclaims as lawless, is it an issue for citizens to legally open carry? I’m on the record as being opposed to any side open carrying. It’s like some posters are just dying for blood to be spilled and mayhem to ensue. That said, what’s your point other than there’s guns present? Pretty much like in a lot of America, some places more than others. I guess it’s a lot more like Bundyism and libertarianism then? But next jimjam goes to Seattle, s/he will restore order?
My point is that guns are present. You said they weren't. And of course you brought up the fake Fox News picture. Yes, that was fake. That's why I posted actual videos.
For someone that complains over and over about "responsible" gun owners not being responsible, I would think you would be against just handing out firearms from the back of your car like "Raz" in the second video.
And no, nobody's "dying for blood to be spilled and mayhem to ensue." But there is a possibility that something bad like that could happen. Whether it be a conflict amongst some the people, some bad actors from the outside looking to cause chaos, a showdown with police (if they're ever allowed back to their precinct), etc.
With videos of people just handing out guns like that, it’s just a matter of time before the ATF gets involved...they need to reign that shit in!
Washington State is open carry right? And the Faux news photoshop of “armed guards” was proven to be bullshit. Why now, in CHAZ or CHOP, which the right constantly proclaims as lawless, is it an issue for citizens to legally open carry? I’m on the record as being opposed to any side open carrying. It’s like some posters are just dying for blood to be spilled and mayhem to ensue. That said, what’s your point other than there’s guns present? Pretty much like in a lot of America, some places more than others. I guess it’s a lot more like Bundyism and libertarianism then? But next jimjam goes to Seattle, s/he will restore order?
My point is that guns are present. You said they weren't. And of course you brought up the fake Fox News picture. Yes, that was fake. That's why I posted actual videos.
For someone that complains over and over about "responsible" gun owners not being responsible, I would think you would be against just handing out firearms from the back of your car like "Raz" in the second video.
And no, nobody's "dying for blood to be spilled and mayhem to ensue." But there is a possibility that something bad like that could happen. Whether it be a conflict amongst some the people, some bad actors from the outside looking to cause chaos, a showdown with police (if they're ever allowed back to their precinct), etc.
Again, I’m on the record as against firearms being possessed by any side during times of protest but you seemed okay with state house protesters protesting quarantine and masks but not Seattle protesters open carrying. Further, do you know which “side” the armed Seattle protestors are on? I’m opposed, even if they’re ANTIFA. And yes, I am opposed to someone handing out guns Willy nilly to anyone. Just another “responsible” gun owner.
I knew you'd bring up those lockdown protesters (though I expected it in your previous post). You're unbelievable. I've never said I was okay with those lockdown protesters carrying guns. You're so partisan. The CHOP people are on the "left" so you think if I'm critical of them carrying AR-15's around, then I must be okay with the lockdown protesters carrying them because they're on the "right"? God almighty. We're not all beholden to one political side like you are.
Washington State is open carry right? And the Faux news photoshop of “armed guards” was proven to be bullshit. Why now, in CHAZ or CHOP, which the right constantly proclaims as lawless, is it an issue for citizens to legally open carry? I’m on the record as being opposed to any side open carrying. It’s like some posters are just dying for blood to be spilled and mayhem to ensue. That said, what’s your point other than there’s guns present? Pretty much like in a lot of America, some places more than others. I guess it’s a lot more like Bundyism and libertarianism then? But next jimjam goes to Seattle, s/he will restore order?
My point is that guns are present. You said they weren't. And of course you brought up the fake Fox News picture. Yes, that was fake. That's why I posted actual videos.
For someone that complains over and over about "responsible" gun owners not being responsible, I would think you would be against just handing out firearms from the back of your car like "Raz" in the second video.
And no, nobody's "dying for blood to be spilled and mayhem to ensue." But there is a possibility that something bad like that could happen. Whether it be a conflict amongst some the people, some bad actors from the outside looking to cause chaos, a showdown with police (if they're ever allowed back to their precinct), etc.
Again, I’m on the record as against firearms being possessed by any side during times of protest but you seemed okay with state house protesters protesting quarantine and masks but not Seattle protesters open carrying. Further, do you know which “side” the armed Seattle protestors are on? I’m opposed, even if they’re ANTIFA. And yes, I am opposed to someone handing out guns Willy nilly to anyone. Just another “responsible” gun owner.
I knew you'd bring up those lockdown protesters (though I expected it in your previous post). You're unbelievable. I've never said I was okay with those lockdown protesters carrying guns. You're so partisan. The CHOP people are on the "left" so you think if I'm critical of them, then I must not be okay with the lockdown protesters because they're on the "right"? God almighty.
Seems rather similar to those dreaded “whataboutisms”. Straw men will strawman...
Washington State is open carry right? And the Faux news photoshop of “armed guards” was proven to be bullshit. Why now, in CHAZ or CHOP, which the right constantly proclaims as lawless, is it an issue for citizens to legally open carry? I’m on the record as being opposed to any side open carrying. It’s like some posters are just dying for blood to be spilled and mayhem to ensue. That said, what’s your point other than there’s guns present? Pretty much like in a lot of America, some places more than others. I guess it’s a lot more like Bundyism and libertarianism then? But next jimjam goes to Seattle, s/he will restore order?
My point is that guns are present. You said they weren't. And of course you brought up the fake Fox News picture. Yes, that was fake. That's why I posted actual videos.
For someone that complains over and over about "responsible" gun owners not being responsible, I would think you would be against just handing out firearms from the back of your car like "Raz" in the second video.
And no, nobody's "dying for blood to be spilled and mayhem to ensue." But there is a possibility that something bad like that could happen. Whether it be a conflict amongst some the people, some bad actors from the outside looking to cause chaos, a showdown with police (if they're ever allowed back to their precinct), etc.
Again, I’m on the record as against firearms being possessed by any side during times of protest but you seemed okay with state house protesters protesting quarantine and masks but not Seattle protesters open carrying. Further, do you know which “side” the armed Seattle protestors are on? I’m opposed, even if they’re ANTIFA. And yes, I am opposed to someone handing out guns Willy nilly to anyone. Just another “responsible” gun owner.
I knew you'd bring up those lockdown protesters (though I expected it in your previous post). You're unbelievable. I've never said I was okay with those lockdown protesters carrying guns. You're so partisan. The CHOP people are on the "left" so you think if I'm critical of them carrying AR-15's around, then I must be okay with the lockdown protesters carrying them because they're on the "right"? God almighty. We're not all beholden to one political side like you are.
But you hath not protested of the other? I thought I was insufferable? Are all CHOP people on the left? You can declare that unequivocally, no one from the “right” to stir shit or misrepresent conditions on the ground?
Oh yea, you’re neutral, like on a moving train. And I don’t believe in god.
Washington State is open carry right? And the Faux news photoshop of “armed guards” was proven to be bullshit. Why now, in CHAZ or CHOP, which the right constantly proclaims as lawless, is it an issue for citizens to legally open carry? I’m on the record as being opposed to any side open carrying. It’s like some posters are just dying for blood to be spilled and mayhem to ensue. That said, what’s your point other than there’s guns present? Pretty much like in a lot of America, some places more than others. I guess it’s a lot more like Bundyism and libertarianism then? But next jimjam goes to Seattle, s/he will restore order?
My point is that guns are present. You said they weren't. And of course you brought up the fake Fox News picture. Yes, that was fake. That's why I posted actual videos.
For someone that complains over and over about "responsible" gun owners not being responsible, I would think you would be against just handing out firearms from the back of your car like "Raz" in the second video.
And no, nobody's "dying for blood to be spilled and mayhem to ensue." But there is a possibility that something bad like that could happen. Whether it be a conflict amongst some the people, some bad actors from the outside looking to cause chaos, a showdown with police (if they're ever allowed back to their precinct), etc.
Again, I’m on the record as against firearms being possessed by any side during times of protest but you seemed okay with state house protesters protesting quarantine and masks but not Seattle protesters open carrying. Further, do you know which “side” the armed Seattle protestors are on? I’m opposed, even if they’re ANTIFA. And yes, I am opposed to someone handing out guns Willy nilly to anyone. Just another “responsible” gun owner.
I knew you'd bring up those lockdown protesters (though I expected it in your previous post). You're unbelievable. I've never said I was okay with those lockdown protesters carrying guns. You're so partisan. The CHOP people are on the "left" so you think if I'm critical of them carrying AR-15's around, then I must be okay with the lockdown protesters carrying them because they're on the "right"? God almighty. We're not all beholden to one political side like you are.
But you hath not protested of the other? I thought I was insufferable? Are all CHOP people on the left? You can declare that unequivocally, no one from the “right” to stir shit or misrepresent conditions on the ground?
Oh yea, you’re neutral, like on a moving train. And I don’t believe in god.
Oh no, there's people on the right in CHOP too. I'm saying the concept of CHOP is endorsed by the left; folks like yourself, the mayor of Seattle, etc. are all for it. If anything, it'll likely be crazy far-right people that cause problems. But it will be the left's fault for allowing the lawlessness.
Armed militia member arrested, identified after man shot at Albuquerque protest
Protesters in Albuquerque wrapped a chain around the neck of a bronze statue and began tugging, chanting “Tear it down,” shortly before sunset on Monday. Their efforts to pull down a monument of Spanish conquistador Juan de Oñate suddenly stopped as four shots rang out.
Most people instinctively turned toward the noise, videos from the scene show. A few screamed. Just yards away, a group of militia men sporting militarylike garb and carrying semiautomatic rifles formed a protective circle around the gunman.
The gunshots, which left one man in critical but stable condition, have set off a cascade of public outcry denouncing the unregulated militia’s presence and the shooting. On Tuesday morning, the Albuquerque Police Department announced that detectives had arrested Stephen Ray Baca, 31, in connection with the shooting.
Baca was booked into the Metro Detention Center on a charge of aggravated battery, police spokesman Gilbert Gallegos, Jr. said in a statement.
The victim has not been identified. Authorities said the investigation is ongoing.
“The heavily armed individuals who flaunted themselves at the protest, calling themselves a ‘civil guard,’ were there for one reason: To menace protesters, to present an unsanctioned show of unregulated force,” New Mexico Gov. Michelle Lujan Grisham (D) said in a statement. “To menace the people of New Mexico with weaponry — with an implicit threat of violence — is on its face unacceptable; that violence did indeed occur is unspeakable.”
Albuquerque Mayor Tim Keller (D) said the statue would now be speedily removed as an “urgent matter of public safety” until authorities determine a next step.
Isnt this what the Left wants? You put George Bush's head on a stick filet him slap him around, hate everything about America and capitalism. Well you got what you wanted. https://youtu.be/5nhyhlzLwIw Is Pearl Jam one of the house bands playing as you enter the Utopian country known as as CHOP? Ya know like when you use to be able to go to ballgames & there is a pep band playing in the foyer. Literally the blackout is now going through the cities. And W is nowhere around what happened? That and Howard Zinn's revised history brings us to where we are today. Great job!
I think you need to call the whambulance, your tears are gonna flood you out soon 🤣🤣 I remember just a few days ago you were talking a big game about being here to have serious discussions and learn and reach common ground lol
How about you don't drag on Pearl Jam around here and we will all continue to peaceably tolerate the crap hick stuff with which you flood the Lounge? Deal?
Zinns isnt revised history. its more complete and without the rah rah brochure. backed up by citations of historical documents.
certain portions backed up by biographies like US Grants recollections on the Mexican War and how we got into it. It confirms independently Zinns assertions related to that specifically.
Remember , taught histories were written by the "winner" except in the case of the civil war which was rewritten by the losers.......
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another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
“The heavily armed individuals who flaunted themselves at the protest, calling themselves a ‘civil guard,’ were there for one reason: To menace protesters, to present an unsanctioned show of unregulated force,” New Mexico Gov. Michelle Lujan Grisham (D) said in a statement. “To menace the people of New Mexico with weaponry — with an implicit threat of violence — is on its face unacceptable; that violence did indeed occur is unspeakable.”
This is exactly what I'm talking about with my last post regarding Seattle when I said "If anything, it'll likely be crazy far-right people that cause problems. But it will be the left's fault for allowing the lawlessness."
Washington State is open carry right? And the Faux news photoshop of “armed guards” was proven to be bullshit. Why now, in CHAZ or CHOP, which the right constantly proclaims as lawless, is it an issue for citizens to legally open carry? I’m on the record as being opposed to any side open carrying. It’s like some posters are just dying for blood to be spilled and mayhem to ensue. That said, what’s your point other than there’s guns present? Pretty much like in a lot of America, some places more than others. I guess it’s a lot more like Bundyism and libertarianism then? But next jimjam goes to Seattle, s/he will restore order?
Just be honest. We would be seeing a new "responsible" gun owner post from you every time you opened up your twitter account if this was widely seen as a movement by the other side. Just go back a few weeks ago when it seems you were convinced the right wing protesters were going to be spraying bullets at anytime. You may be against open carry, but you certainly haven't given both examples the same treatment.
Washington State is open carry right? And the Faux news photoshop of “armed guards” was proven to be bullshit. Why now, in CHAZ or CHOP, which the right constantly proclaims as lawless, is it an issue for citizens to legally open carry? I’m on the record as being opposed to any side open carrying. It’s like some posters are just dying for blood to be spilled and mayhem to ensue. That said, what’s your point other than there’s guns present? Pretty much like in a lot of America, some places more than others. I guess it’s a lot more like Bundyism and libertarianism then? But next jimjam goes to Seattle, s/he will restore order?
Just be honest. We would be seeing a new "responsible" gun owner post from you every time you opened up your twitter account if this was widely seen as a movement by the other side. Just go back a few weeks ago when it seems you were convinced the right wing protesters were going to be spraying bullets at anytime. You may be against open carry, but you certainly haven't given both examples the same treatment.
I don’t believe I said anything about “spraying” bullets but certainly questioned their need to carry firearms to a “peaceful” protest, other than to intimidate. I don’t have a Twitter account so I’m not sure what you’re getting at. But again, for the record as previously stated, I’m against all sides being armed. But some on here only have a problem with one side being armed.
Washington State is open carry right? And the Faux news photoshop of “armed guards” was proven to be bullshit. Why now, in CHAZ or CHOP, which the right constantly proclaims as lawless, is it an issue for citizens to legally open carry? I’m on the record as being opposed to any side open carrying. It’s like some posters are just dying for blood to be spilled and mayhem to ensue. That said, what’s your point other than there’s guns present? Pretty much like in a lot of America, some places more than others. I guess it’s a lot more like Bundyism and libertarianism then? But next jimjam goes to Seattle, s/he will restore order?
My point is that guns are present. You said they weren't. And of course you brought up the fake Fox News picture. Yes, that was fake. That's why I posted actual videos.
For someone that complains over and over about "responsible" gun owners not being responsible, I would think you would be against just handing out firearms from the back of your car like "Raz" in the second video.
And no, nobody's "dying for blood to be spilled and mayhem to ensue." But there is a possibility that something bad like that could happen. Whether it be a conflict amongst some the people, some bad actors from the outside looking to cause chaos, a showdown with police (if they're ever allowed back to their precinct), etc.
I would also add there’s a difference between carrying a firearm you legally purchased vs giving them out to random strangers.
“The heavily armed individuals who flaunted themselves at the protest, calling themselves a ‘civil guard,’ were there for one reason: To menace protesters, to present an unsanctioned show of unregulated force,” New Mexico Gov. Michelle Lujan Grisham (D) said in a statement. “To menace the people of New Mexico with weaponry — with an implicit threat of violence — is on its face unacceptable; that violence did indeed occur is unspeakable.”
This is exactly what I'm talking about with my last post regarding Seattle when I said "If anything, it'll likely be crazy far-right people that cause problems. But it will be the left's fault for allowing the lawlessness."
Another reference to “lawlessness.” Do you know the political leanings of the “responsible” gun owner passing out guns from the back of their car? Because it’s not like the right has ever misrepresented itself to embarrass the other side, right? That’s never happened, right?
So, do you think open carry is a good or bad thing, particularly at protests?
Washington State is open carry right? And the Faux news photoshop of “armed guards” was proven to be bullshit. Why now, in CHAZ or CHOP, which the right constantly proclaims as lawless, is it an issue for citizens to legally open carry? I’m on the record as being opposed to any side open carrying. It’s like some posters are just dying for blood to be spilled and mayhem to ensue. That said, what’s your point other than there’s guns present? Pretty much like in a lot of America, some places more than others. I guess it’s a lot more like Bundyism and libertarianism then? But next jimjam goes to Seattle, s/he will restore order?
Just be honest. We would be seeing a new "responsible" gun owner post from you every time you opened up your twitter account if this was widely seen as a movement by the other side. Just go back a few weeks ago when it seems you were convinced the right wing protesters were going to be spraying bullets at anytime. You may be against open carry, but you certainly haven't given both examples the same treatment.
I don’t believe I said anything about “spraying” bullets but certainly questioned their need to carry firearms to a “peaceful” protest, other than to intimidate. I don’t have a Twitter account so I’m not sure what you’re getting at. But again, for the record as previously stated, I’m against all sides being armed. But some on here only have a problem with one side being armed.
I can't speak for everyone but based on your selective commenting on the topic and your open disdain for the other party, this pretty much describes yourself.
Washington State is open carry right? And the Faux news photoshop of “armed guards” was proven to be bullshit. Why now, in CHAZ or CHOP, which the right constantly proclaims as lawless, is it an issue for citizens to legally open carry? I’m on the record as being opposed to any side open carrying. It’s like some posters are just dying for blood to be spilled and mayhem to ensue. That said, what’s your point other than there’s guns present? Pretty much like in a lot of America, some places more than others. I guess it’s a lot more like Bundyism and libertarianism then? But next jimjam goes to Seattle, s/he will restore order?
Just be honest. We would be seeing a new "responsible" gun owner post from you every time you opened up your twitter account if this was widely seen as a movement by the other side. Just go back a few weeks ago when it seems you were convinced the right wing protesters were going to be spraying bullets at anytime. You may be against open carry, but you certainly haven't given both examples the same treatment.
What I always find interesting is that people seem to assume that only one “side” promotes gun ownership. To me, that’s why I always saw it risky for hardcore gun control democrats to push that platform so vehemently as it alienates many who would otherwise align with them. For example, google the Puget Sound John Brown Gun Club https://psjbgc.org/
I would be willing to bet they are pretty active in the CHOP...
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Any time young, forward thinking people try something new, there will always be those who make bad decisions and there will always be people who will infiltrate and fuck things up. That's all probably true with what's going on with CHOP. I'm not naive enough to think everything is rosy in CHOP but I do believe there are some positive, forward thinking ideas being worked out in this fascinating social experiment. The video in the article linked below shows some of the positive aspects of what is happening in CHOP. It's easy to be cynical and put something down. What the people are actually doing to make CHOP happen in a peaceful way is called good work. That takes a lot more energy that what we are doing here, what I am doing here by writing this. Kudos to the young people are actaully working out there, making an effort to change the world for the better.
“The heavily armed individuals who flaunted themselves at the protest, calling themselves a ‘civil guard,’ were there for one reason: To menace protesters, to present an unsanctioned show of unregulated force,” New Mexico Gov. Michelle Lujan Grisham (D) said in a statement. “To menace the people of New Mexico with weaponry — with an implicit threat of violence — is on its face unacceptable; that violence did indeed occur is unspeakable.”
This is exactly what I'm talking about with my last post regarding Seattle when I said "If anything, it'll likely be crazy far-right people that cause problems. But it will be the left's fault for allowing the lawlessness."
Another reference to “lawlessness.” Do you know the political leanings of the “responsible” gun owner passing out guns from the back of their car? Because it’s not like the right has ever misrepresented itself to embarrass the other side, right? That’s never happened, right?
So, do you think open carry is a good or bad thing, particularly at protests?
It doesn't matter what the political leanings of the individuals are. When I say the Seattle protests are "left" and the lockdown protests are "right," I mean it by who's championing and endorsing them. The Seattle protests are "left" because the left endorses them. The left is all about CHOP, and the right is critical. The lockdown protests were "right" because the right were all for them, and the left was critical.
Washington State is open carry right? And the Faux news photoshop of “armed guards” was proven to be bullshit. Why now, in CHAZ or CHOP, which the right constantly proclaims as lawless, is it an issue for citizens to legally open carry? I’m on the record as being opposed to any side open carrying. It’s like some posters are just dying for blood to be spilled and mayhem to ensue. That said, what’s your point other than there’s guns present? Pretty much like in a lot of America, some places more than others. I guess it’s a lot more like Bundyism and libertarianism then? But next jimjam goes to Seattle, s/he will restore order?
Just be honest. We would be seeing a new "responsible" gun owner post from you every time you opened up your twitter account if this was widely seen as a movement by the other side. Just go back a few weeks ago when it seems you were convinced the right wing protesters were going to be spraying bullets at anytime. You may be against open carry, but you certainly haven't given both examples the same treatment.
What I always find interesting is that people seem to assume that only one “side” promotes gun ownership. To me, that’s why I always saw it risky for hardcore gun control democrats to push that platform so vehemently as it alienates many who would otherwise align with them. For example, google the Puget Sound John Brown Gun Club https://psjbgc.org/
I would be willing to bet they are pretty active in the CHOP...
For sure. I live in Texas and although I choose not to pick a side when it comes to politics I know many supporters on both sides and most of them own a gun for home defense at least. Everything is not as divided as they want us to think, but at the end of the day securing votes is all that really matters.
Washington State is open carry right? And the Faux news photoshop of “armed guards” was proven to be bullshit. Why now, in CHAZ or CHOP, which the right constantly proclaims as lawless, is it an issue for citizens to legally open carry? I’m on the record as being opposed to any side open carrying. It’s like some posters are just dying for blood to be spilled and mayhem to ensue. That said, what’s your point other than there’s guns present? Pretty much like in a lot of America, some places more than others. I guess it’s a lot more like Bundyism and libertarianism then? But next jimjam goes to Seattle, s/he will restore order?
Just be honest. We would be seeing a new "responsible" gun owner post from you every time you opened up your twitter account if this was widely seen as a movement by the other side. Just go back a few weeks ago when it seems you were convinced the right wing protesters were going to be spraying bullets at anytime. You may be against open carry, but you certainly haven't given both examples the same treatment.
What I always find interesting is that people seem to assume that only one “side” promotes gun ownership. To me, that’s why I always saw it risky for hardcore gun control democrats to push that platform so vehemently as it alienates many who would otherwise align with them. For example, google the Puget Sound John Brown Gun Club https://psjbgc.org/
I would be willing to bet they are pretty active in the CHOP...
For sure. I live in Texas and although I choose not to pick a side when it comes to politics I know many supporters on both sides and most of them own a gun for home defense at least. Everything is not as divided as they want us to think, but at the end of the day securing votes is all that really matters.
As a fellow Texan, I agree. Probably why Beto didn’t win, actually. He alienated many democrats with his hardcore gun control stance, when very few Democrats in the state hold the same sentiment. I’m not arguing whether they are right or wrong as my opinions on that have been pretty open. It’s just the truth of the matter. Hardcore gun control will not be the issue that wins an election.
Washington State is open carry right? And the Faux news photoshop of “armed guards” was proven to be bullshit. Why now, in CHAZ or CHOP, which the right constantly proclaims as lawless, is it an issue for citizens to legally open carry? I’m on the record as being opposed to any side open carrying. It’s like some posters are just dying for blood to be spilled and mayhem to ensue. That said, what’s your point other than there’s guns present? Pretty much like in a lot of America, some places more than others. I guess it’s a lot more like Bundyism and libertarianism then? But next jimjam goes to Seattle, s/he will restore order?
Just be honest. We would be seeing a new "responsible" gun owner post from you every time you opened up your twitter account if this was widely seen as a movement by the other side. Just go back a few weeks ago when it seems you were convinced the right wing protesters were going to be spraying bullets at anytime. You may be against open carry, but you certainly haven't given both examples the same treatment.
I don’t believe I said anything about “spraying” bullets but certainly questioned their need to carry firearms to a “peaceful” protest, other than to intimidate. I don’t have a Twitter account so I’m not sure what you’re getting at. But again, for the record as previously stated, I’m against all sides being armed. But some on here only have a problem with one side being armed.
I can't speak for everyone but based on your selective commenting on the topic and your open disdain for the other party, this pretty much describes yourself.
Except I’m on the record as stating that I’m opposed to any “side” being armed. And have a long posting history of being pro gun control.
Yea, the Team Trump Treason repub party is deplorable. Look what it’s wrought. Very stable geniuses, all of them.
“The heavily armed individuals who flaunted themselves at the protest, calling themselves a ‘civil guard,’ were there for one reason: To menace protesters, to present an unsanctioned show of unregulated force,” New Mexico Gov. Michelle Lujan Grisham (D) said in a statement. “To menace the people of New Mexico with weaponry — with an implicit threat of violence — is on its face unacceptable; that violence did indeed occur is unspeakable.”
This is exactly what I'm talking about with my last post regarding Seattle when I said "If anything, it'll likely be crazy far-right people that cause problems. But it will be the left's fault for allowing the lawlessness."
Another reference to “lawlessness.” Do you know the political leanings of the “responsible” gun owner passing out guns from the back of their car? Because it’s not like the right has ever misrepresented itself to embarrass the other side, right? That’s never happened, right?
So, do you think open carry is a good or bad thing, particularly at protests?
It doesn't matter what the political leanings of the individuals are. When I say the Seattle protests are "left" and the lockdown protests are "right," I mean it by who's championing and endorsing them. The Seattle protests are "left" because the left endorses them. The left is all about CHOP, and the right is critical. The lockdown protests were "right" because the right were all for them, and the left was critical.
I haven’t “championed” CHOP. I’m just not as outraged as some nor consider it “lawless.” FFS, some posters were all hell bent out of shape about the “armed guards” and alleged “extortion” reports that came out but are perfectly fine with “armed militias” parading around state houses. One is a reaction to actual freedoms being taken away, namely and predominantly black lives, and the other is a perceived loss of freedom, I can’t go to the store without a mask, during a pandemic. But both sides are the same. Are these really that difficult for you to discern? And as far as handing out firearms from the back of a car goes, isn’t that what happens probably every day in Chicago with gun runners buying in Indianer? Why the Seattle instance of outrage?
“The heavily armed individuals who flaunted themselves at the protest, calling themselves a ‘civil guard,’ were there for one reason: To menace protesters, to present an unsanctioned show of unregulated force,” New Mexico Gov. Michelle Lujan Grisham (D) said in a statement. “To menace the people of New Mexico with weaponry — with an implicit threat of violence — is on its face unacceptable; that violence did indeed occur is unspeakable.”
This is exactly what I'm talking about with my last post regarding Seattle when I said "If anything, it'll likely be crazy far-right people that cause problems. But it will be the left's fault for allowing the lawlessness."
Another reference to “lawlessness.” Do you know the political leanings of the “responsible” gun owner passing out guns from the back of their car? Because it’s not like the right has ever misrepresented itself to embarrass the other side, right? That’s never happened, right?
So, do you think open carry is a good or bad thing, particularly at protests?
It doesn't matter what the political leanings of the individuals are. When I say the Seattle protests are "left" and the lockdown protests are "right," I mean it by who's championing and endorsing them. The Seattle protests are "left" because the left endorses them. The left is all about CHOP, and the right is critical. The lockdown protests were "right" because the right were all for them, and the left was critical.
I haven’t “championed” CHOP. I’m just not as outraged as some nor consider it “lawless.” FFS, some posters were all hell bent out of shape about the “armed guards” and alleged “extortion” reports that came out but are perfectly fine with “armed militias” parading around state houses. One is a reaction to actual freedoms being taken away, namely and predominantly black lives, and the other is a perceived loss of freedom, I can’t go to the store without a mask, during a pandemic. But both sides are the same. Are these really that difficult for you to discern? And as far as handing out firearms from the back of a car goes, isn’t that what happens probably every day in Chicago with gun runners buying in Indianer? Why the Seattle instance of outrage?
-I said the left championed (or "endorses") CHOP. I'm talking about the liberal media and their disciples.
-Bent out of shape? Who's bent out of shape? I'm just saying that armed dudes walking around with AR-15's with no police presence could be an issue. YOU seem bent out of shape by the dissenting views of me and some others. Brianlux started a new thread called "The CHAZ movement" if you want to head over there and praise the drum circles of CHOP.
-What are you doing comparing WHAT they're protesting for (black equality versus ending lockdowns)? I'm all for the people protesting for equality, and I thought the lockdown protests were dumb. That's not the point. It's how they're going about it; surrendering a police station, giving the protesters blocks of the town? It's not the protesters I'm critical of. Hell, if there was a big block party like this in my town, I'd probably go to. It's not the protesters, most of whom I'm sure really want equality, that are the problem. It's leadership. What's the end game here?
-Does that happen in Chicago every day? You're the one that spends each day seaching the internet for gun violence. So if people hand out firearms out of their cars in Chicago, the murder capital of the country, then isn't it cause for concern that it's happening in CHOP?
Isnt this what the Left wants? You put George Bush's head on a stick filet him slap him around, hate everything about America and capitalism. Well you got what you wanted. https://youtu.be/5nhyhlzLwIw Is Pearl Jam one of the house bands playing as you enter the Utopian country known as as CHOP? Ya know like when you use to be able to go to ballgames & there is a pep band playing in the foyer. Literally the blackout is now going through the cities. And W is nowhere around what happened? That and Howard Zinn's revised history brings us to where we are today. Great job!
I think you need to call the whambulance, your tears are gonna flood you out soon 🤣🤣 I remember just a few days ago you were talking a big game about being here to have serious discussions and learn and reach common ground lol
How about you don't drag on Pearl Jam around here and we will all continue to peaceably tolerate the crap hick stuff with which you flood the Lounge? Deal?
Zinns isnt revised history. its more complete and without the rah rah brochure. backed up by citations of historical documents.
certain portions backed up by biographies like US Grants recollections on the Mexican War and how we got into it. It confirms independently Zinns assertions related to that specifically.
Remember , taught histories were written by the "winner" except in the case of the civil war which was rewritten by the losers.......
“The heavily armed individuals who flaunted themselves at the protest, calling themselves a ‘civil guard,’ were there for one reason: To menace protesters, to present an unsanctioned show of unregulated force,” New Mexico Gov. Michelle Lujan Grisham (D) said in a statement. “To menace the people of New Mexico with weaponry — with an implicit threat of violence — is on its face unacceptable; that violence did indeed occur is unspeakable.”
This is exactly what I'm talking about with my last post regarding Seattle when I said "If anything, it'll likely be crazy far-right people that cause problems. But it will be the left's fault for allowing the lawlessness."
Another reference to “lawlessness.” Do you know the political leanings of the “responsible” gun owner passing out guns from the back of their car? Because it’s not like the right has ever misrepresented itself to embarrass the other side, right? That’s never happened, right?
So, do you think open carry is a good or bad thing, particularly at protests?
It doesn't matter what the political leanings of the individuals are. When I say the Seattle protests are "left" and the lockdown protests are "right," I mean it by who's championing and endorsing them. The Seattle protests are "left" because the left endorses them. The left is all about CHOP, and the right is critical. The lockdown protests were "right" because the right were all for them, and the left was critical.
I haven’t “championed” CHOP. I’m just not as outraged as some nor consider it “lawless.” FFS, some posters were all hell bent out of shape about the “armed guards” and alleged “extortion” reports that came out but are perfectly fine with “armed militias” parading around state houses. One is a reaction to actual freedoms being taken away, namely and predominantly black lives, and the other is a perceived loss of freedom, I can’t go to the store without a mask, during a pandemic. But both sides are the same. Are these really that difficult for you to discern? And as far as handing out firearms from the back of a car goes, isn’t that what happens probably every day in Chicago with gun runners buying in Indianer? Why the Seattle instance of outrage?
-I said the left championed (or "endorses") CHOP. I'm talking about the liberal media and their disciples.
-Bent out of shape? Who's bent out of shape? I'm just saying that armed dudes walking around with AR-15's with no police presence could be an issue.YOU seem bent out of shape by the dissenting views of me and some others. Brianlux started a new thread called "The CHAZ movement" if you want to head over there and praise the drum circles of CHOP.
-What are you doing comparing WHAT they're protesting for (black equality versus ending lockdowns)? I'm all for the people protesting for equality, and I thought the lockdown protests were dumb. That's not the point. It's how they're going about it; surrendering a police station, giving the protesters blocks of the town? It's not the protesters I'm critical of. Hell, if there was a big block party like this in my town, I'd probably go to. It's not the protesters, most of whom I'm sure really want equality, that are the problem. It's leadership. What's the end game here?
-Does that happen in Chicago every day?You're the one that spends each day seaching the internet for gun violence. So if people hand out firearms out of their cars in Chicago, the murder capital of the country, then isn't it cause for concern that it's happening in CHOP?
I'm responding in order of the bolded:
How has the left and their disciples "championed" CHOP? By not misrepresenting the actual conditions and inflaming the right with lies? Where is this championing that you speak of? Compare that to Faux news' deliberate incitement of their viewers as reported in the Politico piece.
I think armed dudes walking around with AR-15s with or without a police presence is an issue. Again, why the need to pen carry? What were the state house protestors afraid of? Its only to intimidate.
I'm not bent out of shape as much as I'm disagreeing with your view that CHOP is "lawless" and needs to be shut down, as evidenced by the bolded leadership piece. You and others appear to be buying the Faux news narrative or maybe relying upon Twitterers for the reality on the ground. I question that and rely upon multiple news outlets for some version of reality. Its all doom and gloom from your posts, screaming about the "end game." The end game has yet to be determined but most likely may consist of some of those things in the list of 32 demands that I posted in Brian's CHAZ Movement thread. Why the derision? Feel free to rip those apart. Would you prefer violence and tanks in the streets? Maybe you agree with Team Trump Treason to send in the troops? Is there murder and mayhem and extortion happening within the 4 blocks? What is so "lawless" about what is happening in CHOP? Thus far, what has been the impact of the "surrendered police station?" And why the guns at protests? Any protests? If not to intimidate, why feel it necessary to "open carry" when rallying at the state house or anywhere? Your opinions don't bend me out of shape.
I don't search the internet every day searching for gun violence but do post what I see when I check my news feed and other sources of news and information. Yea, 20 first and second graders being murdered in their classroom a week or so before Christmas still bothers me. As does Columbine, Virginia Tech, Pulse Nightclub, Marjorie Stoneham, Las Vegas, etc. etc, etc, How about you? Does that bother you or still resonate with you? Its pretty well known that the "Iron Pipeline" exists between states and localities with strict gun control and those without. You're smarter than that. Again, who was the person passing out firearms? ANTIFA? Bugaloo? Proud Boy? KKK? Commie? I'm surprised the NRA hasn't chimed in yet with a fundraising drive and encouragement to arm yourselves because what is happening in Seattle is coming for your town. So far, we've had a right-winger counter protester drive his car into a crowd and shoot someone upon exiting in Seattle and another one shooting someone in New Mexico. Where is the "liberal, lefty, ANTIFA, commie, etc." gun violence? Yes, the proliferation and ease of access to firearms is an issue regardless of locale or source. You know that's my position.
“The heavily armed individuals who flaunted themselves at the protest, calling themselves a ‘civil guard,’ were there for one reason: To menace protesters, to present an unsanctioned show of unregulated force,” New Mexico Gov. Michelle Lujan Grisham (D) said in a statement. “To menace the people of New Mexico with weaponry — with an implicit threat of violence — is on its face unacceptable; that violence did indeed occur is unspeakable.”
This is exactly what I'm talking about with my last post regarding Seattle when I said "If anything, it'll likely be crazy far-right people that cause problems. But it will be the left's fault for allowing the lawlessness."
Another reference to “lawlessness.” Do you know the political leanings of the “responsible” gun owner passing out guns from the back of their car? Because it’s not like the right has ever misrepresented itself to embarrass the other side, right? That’s never happened, right?
So, do you think open carry is a good or bad thing, particularly at protests?
It doesn't matter what the political leanings of the individuals are. When I say the Seattle protests are "left" and the lockdown protests are "right," I mean it by who's championing and endorsing them. The Seattle protests are "left" because the left endorses them. The left is all about CHOP, and the right is critical. The lockdown protests were "right" because the right were all for them, and the left was critical.
I haven’t “championed” CHOP. I’m just not as outraged as some nor consider it “lawless.” FFS, some posters were all hell bent out of shape about the “armed guards” and alleged “extortion” reports that came out but are perfectly fine with “armed militias” parading around state houses. One is a reaction to actual freedoms being taken away, namely and predominantly black lives, and the other is a perceived loss of freedom, I can’t go to the store without a mask, during a pandemic. But both sides are the same. Are these really that difficult for you to discern? And as far as handing out firearms from the back of a car goes, isn’t that what happens probably every day in Chicago with gun runners buying in Indianer? Why the Seattle instance of outrage?
-I said the left championed (or "endorses") CHOP. I'm talking about the liberal media and their disciples.
-Bent out of shape? Who's bent out of shape? I'm just saying that armed dudes walking around with AR-15's with no police presence could be an issue.YOU seem bent out of shape by the dissenting views of me and some others. Brianlux started a new thread called "The CHAZ movement" if you want to head over there and praise the drum circles of CHOP.
-What are you doing comparing WHAT they're protesting for (black equality versus ending lockdowns)? I'm all for the people protesting for equality, and I thought the lockdown protests were dumb. That's not the point. It's how they're going about it; surrendering a police station, giving the protesters blocks of the town? It's not the protesters I'm critical of. Hell, if there was a big block party like this in my town, I'd probably go to. It's not the protesters, most of whom I'm sure really want equality, that are the problem. It's leadership. What's the end game here?
-Does that happen in Chicago every day?You're the one that spends each day seaching the internet for gun violence. So if people hand out firearms out of their cars in Chicago, the murder capital of the country, then isn't it cause for concern that it's happening in CHOP?
I'm responding in order of the bolded:
How has the left and their disciples "championed" CHOP? By not misrepresenting the actual conditions and inflaming the right with lies? Where is this championing that you speak of? Compare that to Faux news' deliberate incitement of their viewers as reported in the Politico piece.
I think armed dudes walking around with AR-15s with or without a police presence is an issue. Again, why the need to pen carry? What were the state house protestors afraid of? Its only to intimidate.
I'm not bent out of shape as much as I'm disagreeing with your view that CHOP is "lawless" and needs to be shut down, as evidenced by the bolded leadership piece. You and others appear to be buying the Faux news narrative or maybe relying upon Twitterers for the reality on the ground. I question that and rely upon multiple news outlets for some version of reality. Its all doom and gloom from your posts, screaming about the "end game." The end game has yet to be determined but most likely may consist of some of those things in the list of 32 demands that I posted in Brian's CHAZ Movement thread. Why the derision? Feel free to rip those apart. Would you prefer violence and tanks in the streets? Maybe you agree with Team Trump Treason to send in the troops? Is there murder and mayhem and extortion happening within the 4 blocks? What is so "lawless" about what is happening in CHOP? Thus far, what has been the impact of the "surrendered police station?" And why the guns at protests? Any protests? If not to intimidate, why feel it necessary to "open carry" when rallying at the state house or anywhere? Your opinions don't bend me out of shape.
I don't search the internet every day searching for gun violence but do post what I see when I check my news feed and other sources of news and information. Yea, 20 first and second graders being murdered in their classroom a week or so before Christmas still bothers me. As does Columbine, Virginia Tech, Pulse Nightclub, Marjorie Stoneham, Las Vegas, etc. etc, etc, How about you? Does that bother you or still resonate with you? Its pretty well known that the "Iron Pipeline" exists between states and localities with strict gun control and those without. You're smarter than that. Again, who was the person passing out firearms? ANTIFA? Bugaloo? Proud Boy? KKK? Commie? I'm surprised the NRA hasn't chimed in yet with a fundraising drive and encouragement to arm yourselves because what is happening in Seattle is coming for your town. So far, we've had a right-winger counter protester drive his car into a crowd and shoot someone upon exiting in Seattle and another one shooting someone in New Mexico. Where is the "liberal, lefty, ANTIFA, commie, etc." gun violence? Yes, the proliferation and ease of access to firearms is an issue regardless of locale or source. You know that's my position.
You rely upon multple news outlets for some version of reality? You said in the first post I quoted today that there were no firearms there. By me relying on Twitterers on the ground, I was able to show that's completely wrong. You seem to pick and choose the aspects of reality you want to acknowledge.
As for the second bolded part, I don't know why these people have guns. Probably to inimidate like you say. The guy handing out the guns was Raz Simone. People have alleged he's the leader of CHOP, but there's no way of me confirming that. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say he's not a Proud Boy or a member of the KKK though.
And the third bolded part is just typical you. I'm the one that opened the door for you to even know there were guns there (your multiple news outlets didn't seem to know). I'm the one that suggested it's a problem that there's guns there like that. And yet you virtue signal by listing a bunch of massacres that bother you and question whether they bother me? I'm the one showing concern for the safety of the peaceful protesters there...in hopes that there isn't another shooting death.
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For someone that complains over and over about "responsible" gun owners not being responsible, I would think you would be against just handing out firearms from the back of your car like "Raz" in the second video.
And no, nobody's "dying for blood to be spilled and mayhem to ensue." But there is a possibility that something bad like that could happen. Whether it be a conflict amongst some the people, some bad actors from the outside looking to cause chaos, a showdown with police (if they're ever allowed back to their precinct), etc.
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Armed militia member arrested, identified after man shot at Albuquerque protest
Protesters in Albuquerque wrapped a chain around the neck of a bronze statue and began tugging, chanting “Tear it down,” shortly before sunset on Monday. Their efforts to pull down a monument of Spanish conquistador Juan de Oñate suddenly stopped as four shots rang out.
Most people instinctively turned toward the noise, videos from the scene show. A few screamed. Just yards away, a group of militia men sporting militarylike garb and carrying semiautomatic rifles formed a protective circle around the gunman.
The gunshots, which left one man in critical but stable condition, have set off a cascade of public outcry denouncing the unregulated militia’s presence and the shooting. On Tuesday morning, the Albuquerque Police Department announced that detectives had arrested Stephen Ray Baca, 31, in connection with the shooting.
Baca was booked into the Metro Detention Center on a charge of aggravated battery, police spokesman Gilbert Gallegos, Jr. said in a statement.
The victim has not been identified. Authorities said the investigation is ongoing.
“The heavily armed individuals who flaunted themselves at the protest, calling themselves a ‘civil guard,’ were there for one reason: To menace protesters, to present an unsanctioned show of unregulated force,” New Mexico Gov. Michelle Lujan Grisham (D) said in a statement. “To menace the people of New Mexico with weaponry — with an implicit threat of violence — is on its face unacceptable; that violence did indeed occur is unspeakable.”
Albuquerque Mayor Tim Keller (D) said the statue would now be speedily removed as an “urgent matter of public safety” until authorities determine a next step.
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So, do you think open carry is a good or bad thing, particularly at protests?
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How has the left and their disciples "championed" CHOP? By not misrepresenting the actual conditions and inflaming the right with lies? Where is this championing that you speak of? Compare that to Faux news' deliberate incitement of their viewers as reported in the Politico piece.
I think armed dudes walking around with AR-15s with or without a police presence is an issue. Again, why the need to pen carry? What were the state house protestors afraid of? Its only to intimidate.
I'm not bent out of shape as much as I'm disagreeing with your view that CHOP is "lawless" and needs to be shut down, as evidenced by the bolded leadership piece. You and others appear to be buying the Faux news narrative or maybe relying upon Twitterers for the reality on the ground. I question that and rely upon multiple news outlets for some version of reality. Its all doom and gloom from your posts, screaming about the "end game." The end game has yet to be determined but most likely may consist of some of those things in the list of 32 demands that I posted in Brian's CHAZ Movement thread. Why the derision? Feel free to rip those apart. Would you prefer violence and tanks in the streets? Maybe you agree with Team Trump Treason to send in the troops? Is there murder and mayhem and extortion happening within the 4 blocks? What is so "lawless" about what is happening in CHOP? Thus far, what has been the impact of the "surrendered police station?" And why the guns at protests? Any protests? If not to intimidate, why feel it necessary to "open carry" when rallying at the state house or anywhere? Your opinions don't bend me out of shape.
I don't search the internet every day searching for gun violence but do post what I see when I check my news feed and other sources of news and information. Yea, 20 first and second graders being murdered in their classroom a week or so before Christmas still bothers me. As does Columbine, Virginia Tech, Pulse Nightclub, Marjorie Stoneham, Las Vegas, etc. etc, etc, How about you? Does that bother you or still resonate with you? Its pretty well known that the "Iron Pipeline" exists between states and localities with strict gun control and those without. You're smarter than that. Again, who was the person passing out firearms? ANTIFA? Bugaloo? Proud Boy? KKK? Commie? I'm surprised the NRA hasn't chimed in yet with a fundraising drive and encouragement to arm yourselves because what is happening in Seattle is coming for your town. So far, we've had a right-winger counter protester drive his car into a crowd and shoot someone upon exiting in Seattle and another one shooting someone in New Mexico. Where is the "liberal, lefty, ANTIFA, commie, etc." gun violence? Yes, the proliferation and ease of access to firearms is an issue regardless of locale or source. You know that's my position.
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