Seattle Has Fallen...

nicknyr15

Ledbetterman10 said:

brianlux said:

nicknyr15 said:

This should end well. 

Ledbetterman10 said:

nicknyr15 said:

This should end well. 

I wondering how it'll all end too. It's pretty peaceful now according to reports. But what's going to happen when the party's over and they're told to go home? If that day even comes. 

It wouldn't surprise me if this ends differently than it started by being infiltrated by those who are fearful of social change.  It's happened numerous times.  Instead of focusing on what may happen or predicting a bad ending, I'm thrilled to see social experimentation and hopeful that something good will come out of what is happening NOW because right now, it's going well.

What good do you think could come from it? It's basically just a hippie block party. 

Not basically. It is. 

oftenreading

Ledbetterman10 said:

brianlux said:

nicknyr15 said:

This should end well. 

Ledbetterman10 said:

nicknyr15 said:

This should end well. 

I wondering how it'll all end too. It's pretty peaceful now according to reports. But what's going to happen when the party's over and they're told to go home? If that day even comes. 

It wouldn't surprise me if this ends differently than it started by being infiltrated by those who are fearful of social change.  It's happened numerous times.  Instead of focusing on what may happen or predicting a bad ending, I'm thrilled to see social experimentation and hopeful that something good will come out of what is happening NOW because right now, it's going well.

What good do you think could come from it? It's basically just a hippie block party. 

Given the choice between a hippie block party and an area full of police in riot gear harassing and harming citizens, I know where I'd rather be. 

Ledbetterman10

oftenreading said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

brianlux said:

nicknyr15 said:

This should end well. 

Ledbetterman10 said:

nicknyr15 said:

This should end well. 

I wondering how it'll all end too. It's pretty peaceful now according to reports. But what's going to happen when the party's over and they're told to go home? If that day even comes. 

It wouldn't surprise me if this ends differently than it started by being infiltrated by those who are fearful of social change.  It's happened numerous times.  Instead of focusing on what may happen or predicting a bad ending, I'm thrilled to see social experimentation and hopeful that something good will come out of what is happening NOW because right now, it's going well.

What good do you think could come from it? It's basically just a hippie block party. 

Given the choice between a hippie block party and an area full of police in riot gear harassing and harming citizens, I know where I'd rather be. 

Yeah of course you'd rather be a hippie block party. Who wouldn't? I'm just saying that's all it is. Brain being "thrilled" over the social experimentation and his hope that something good will come out of it, while well-meaning, is just delusional. It's not even a protest if there's no cops there to protest at. And it's not really a demonstration if it's not being widely broadcast, so people that don't share their opinion can't even be influenced by them. So it's nothing. Just young liberals hanging out...and there's nothing wrong with that. But that's all it is. 

brianlux

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

brianlux said:

nicknyr15 said:

This should end well. 

Ledbetterman10 said:

nicknyr15 said:

This should end well. 

I wondering how it'll all end too. It's pretty peaceful now according to reports. But what's going to happen when the party's over and they're told to go home? If that day even comes. 

It wouldn't surprise me if this ends differently than it started by being infiltrated by those who are fearful of social change.  It's happened numerous times.  Instead of focusing on what may happen or predicting a bad ending, I'm thrilled to see social experimentation and hopeful that something good will come out of what is happening NOW because right now, it's going well.

What good do you think could come from it? It's basically just a hippie block party. 

Given the choice between a hippie block party and an area full of police in riot gear harassing and harming citizens, I know where I'd rather be. 

Yeah of course you'd rather be a hippie block party. Who wouldn't? I'm just saying that's all it is. Brain being "thrilled" over the social experimentation and his hope that something good will come out of it, while well-meaning, is just delusional. It's not even a protest if there's no cops there to protest at. And it's not really a demonstration if it's not being widely broadcast, so people that don't share their opinion can't even be influenced by them. So it's nothing. Just young liberals hanging out...and there's nothing wrong with that. But that's all it is. 

I will not respond to people who cannot spell my name correctly or call me delusional.  Good bye.

tbergs

brianlux said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

brianlux said:

nicknyr15 said:

This should end well. 

Ledbetterman10 said:

nicknyr15 said:

This should end well. 

I wondering how it'll all end too. It's pretty peaceful now according to reports. But what's going to happen when the party's over and they're told to go home? If that day even comes. 

It wouldn't surprise me if this ends differently than it started by being infiltrated by those who are fearful of social change.  It's happened numerous times.  Instead of focusing on what may happen or predicting a bad ending, I'm thrilled to see social experimentation and hopeful that something good will come out of what is happening NOW because right now, it's going well.

What good do you think could come from it? It's basically just a hippie block party. 

Given the choice between a hippie block party and an area full of police in riot gear harassing and harming citizens, I know where I'd rather be. 

Yeah of course you'd rather be a hippie block party. Who wouldn't? I'm just saying that's all it is. Brain being "thrilled" over the social experimentation and his hope that something good will come out of it, while well-meaning, is just delusional. It's not even a protest if there's no cops there to protest at. And it's not really a demonstration if it's not being widely broadcast, so people that don't share their opinion can't even be influenced by them. So it's nothing. Just young liberals hanging out...and there's nothing wrong with that. But that's all it is. 

I will not respond to people who cannot spell my name correctly or call me delusional.  Good bye.

Ledbetterman10

brianlux said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

brianlux said:

nicknyr15 said:

This should end well. 

Ledbetterman10 said:

nicknyr15 said:

This should end well. 

I wondering how it'll all end too. It's pretty peaceful now according to reports. But what's going to happen when the party's over and they're told to go home? If that day even comes. 

It wouldn't surprise me if this ends differently than it started by being infiltrated by those who are fearful of social change.  It's happened numerous times.  Instead of focusing on what may happen or predicting a bad ending, I'm thrilled to see social experimentation and hopeful that something good will come out of what is happening NOW because right now, it's going well.

What good do you think could come from it? It's basically just a hippie block party. 

Given the choice between a hippie block party and an area full of police in riot gear harassing and harming citizens, I know where I'd rather be. 

Yeah of course you'd rather be a hippie block party. Who wouldn't? I'm just saying that's all it is. Brain being "thrilled" over the social experimentation and his hope that something good will come out of it, while well-meaning, is just delusional. It's not even a protest if there's no cops there to protest at. And it's not really a demonstration if it's not being widely broadcast, so people that don't share their opinion can't even be influenced by them. So it's nothing. Just young liberals hanging out...and there's nothing wrong with that. But that's all it is. 

I will not respond to people who cannot spell my name correctly or call me delusional.  Good bye.

See ya...

oftenreading

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

brianlux said:

nicknyr15 said:

This should end well. 

Ledbetterman10 said:

nicknyr15 said:

This should end well. 

I wondering how it'll all end too. It's pretty peaceful now according to reports. But what's going to happen when the party's over and they're told to go home? If that day even comes. 

It wouldn't surprise me if this ends differently than it started by being infiltrated by those who are fearful of social change.  It's happened numerous times.  Instead of focusing on what may happen or predicting a bad ending, I'm thrilled to see social experimentation and hopeful that something good will come out of what is happening NOW because right now, it's going well.

What good do you think could come from it? It's basically just a hippie block party. 

Given the choice between a hippie block party and an area full of police in riot gear harassing and harming citizens, I know where I'd rather be. 

Yeah of course you'd rather be a hippie block party. Who wouldn't? I'm just saying that's all it is. Brain being "thrilled" over the social experimentation and his hope that something good will come out of it, while well-meaning, is just delusional. It's not even a protest if there's no cops there to protest at. And it's not really a demonstration if it's not being widely broadcast, so people that don't share their opinion can't even be influenced by them. So it's nothing. Just young liberals hanging out...and there's nothing wrong with that. But that's all it is. 

So you believe it’s impossible for people gathering peacefully in a spirit of community engagement to make changes in their own community? That’s quite odd. There is plenty of precedent for people to improve their communities in this manner. 

I would also disagree with your opinion that it’s not a protest if there are no police to protest “at”. There is no requirement for a protest to be directly “at” a group for it to be effective. Case in point, Greta Thunberg’s protest, which started with her simply sitting quietly outside of school one day a week, I believe.  The fact that she was not right in front of polluters was irrelevant. 

oftenreading

Delusional seems to be the new AMT insult used by people who don’t know what it actually means. 

Ledbetterman10

oftenreading said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

brianlux said:

nicknyr15 said:

This should end well. 

Ledbetterman10 said:

nicknyr15 said:

This should end well. 

I wondering how it'll all end too. It's pretty peaceful now according to reports. But what's going to happen when the party's over and they're told to go home? If that day even comes. 

It wouldn't surprise me if this ends differently than it started by being infiltrated by those who are fearful of social change.  It's happened numerous times.  Instead of focusing on what may happen or predicting a bad ending, I'm thrilled to see social experimentation and hopeful that something good will come out of what is happening NOW because right now, it's going well.

What good do you think could come from it? It's basically just a hippie block party. 

Given the choice between a hippie block party and an area full of police in riot gear harassing and harming citizens, I know where I'd rather be. 

Yeah of course you'd rather be a hippie block party. Who wouldn't? I'm just saying that's all it is. Brain being "thrilled" over the social experimentation and his hope that something good will come out of it, while well-meaning, is just delusional. It's not even a protest if there's no cops there to protest at. And it's not really a demonstration if it's not being widely broadcast, so people that don't share their opinion can't even be influenced by them. So it's nothing. Just young liberals hanging out...and there's nothing wrong with that. But that's all it is. 

So you believe it’s impossible for people gathering peacefully in a spirit of community engagement to make changes in their own community? That’s quite odd. There is plenty of precedent for people to improve their communities in this manner. 

I would also disagree with your opinion that it’s not a protest if there are no police to protest “at”. There is no requirement for a protest to be directly “at” a group for it to be effective. Case in point, Greta Thunberg’s protest, which started with her simply sitting quietly outside of school one day a week, I believe.  The fact that she was not right in front of polluters was irrelevant. 

Oh I agree peacefully gathering and protesting can cause change. I don't think this will though. What change is going come? No more police? Of course not. Police reform? Maybe based on the nationwide protests as a whole, but not by some city giving up six blocks to protesters. 

As for the Greta comparison, you're saying that people don't need to be in front of the person they're protesting for them to hear. I agree. But who is hearing or listening to CHAZ right now? Seems like an echo chamber if there's no dissenting views or debate. 

jeffbr

nicknyr15 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

nicknyr15 said:

This should end well. 

I wondering how it'll all end too. It's pretty peaceful now according to reports. But what's going to happen when the party's over and they're told to go home? If that day even comes. 

It’s peaceful depending on who you ask. It’s maddening. One report says it’s peaceful, one report mentions a warlord, another report mentions harassment. I know I wouldn’t want anything like this happening near me. That’s just my opinion. Humans are not civilized enough to pull this off. 

As I've mentioned, only Fox and MyNorthwest, both right wing news sources, have pushed the violence side. Mainstream local news sources with reporters on the street find no such violence or gun toting. A reporter from Q13 Fox News, our local Fox affiliate (although the Fox thing is recent) was on location reporting last night, and mentioned that he had been there for days and had not seen what some outlets were reporting. The same story with local ABC, CBS and NBC affiliates who also do remotes from CHAZ during the news. I have never seen any indication that there is violence once the police stood down. That is simply a right-wing scare tactic designed to assist Trump with his ANTIFA fantasies.

Halifax2TheMax

jeffbr said:

nicknyr15 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

nicknyr15 said:

This should end well. 

I wondering how it'll all end too. It's pretty peaceful now according to reports. But what's going to happen when the party's over and they're told to go home? If that day even comes. 

It’s peaceful depending on who you ask. It’s maddening. One report says it’s peaceful, one report mentions a warlord, another report mentions harassment. I know I wouldn’t want anything like this happening near me. That’s just my opinion. Humans are not civilized enough to pull this off. 

As I've mentioned, only Fox and MyNorthwest, both right wing news sources, have pushed the violence side. Mainstream local news sources with reporters on the street find no such violence or gun toting. A reporter from Q13 Fox News, our local Fox affiliate (although the Fox thing is recent) was on location reporting last night, and mentioned that he had been there for days and had not seen what some outlets were reporting. The same story with local ABC, CBS and NBC affiliates who also do remotes from CHAZ during the news. I have never seen any indication that there is violence once the police stood down. That is simply a right-wing scare tactic designed to assist Trump with his ANTIFA fantasies.

I’m willing to bet that Putin on the ritz is laughing his ass off. It’s like the “citizens militia” in Idaho who came to believe ANTIFA was going to show up on Main Street so they armed themselves and lined up on Main Street waiting for the invasion that never came. His troll bots posting to faceturd to see how long it takes and how far it spreads, what actions result and how long before MSM picks up on it. Turning us against ourselves, with a willing participant in the WH. There’s your 4D chess.

bbiggs

Can’t help but think this has the feel of a Waco, TX or Jonestown type environment operating under the guise of a peaceful protest.  The whole thing is incredibly odd.  Hopefully it doesn’t end like those two “gatherings” did. 

OnWis97

Halifax2TheMax said:

jeffbr said:

nicknyr15 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

nicknyr15 said:

This should end well. 

I wondering how it'll all end too. It's pretty peaceful now according to reports. But what's going to happen when the party's over and they're told to go home? If that day even comes. 

It’s peaceful depending on who you ask. It’s maddening. One report says it’s peaceful, one report mentions a warlord, another report mentions harassment. I know I wouldn’t want anything like this happening near me. That’s just my opinion. Humans are not civilized enough to pull this off. 

As I've mentioned, only Fox and MyNorthwest, both right wing news sources, have pushed the violence side. Mainstream local news sources with reporters on the street find no such violence or gun toting. A reporter from Q13 Fox News, our local Fox affiliate (although the Fox thing is recent) was on location reporting last night, and mentioned that he had been there for days and had not seen what some outlets were reporting. The same story with local ABC, CBS and NBC affiliates who also do remotes from CHAZ during the news. I have never seen any indication that there is violence once the police stood down. That is simply a right-wing scare tactic designed to assist Trump with his ANTIFA fantasies.

I’m willing to bet that Putin on the ritz is laughing his ass off. It’s like the “citizens militia” in Idaho who came to believe ANTIFA was going to show up on Main Street so they armed themselves and lined up on Main Street waiting for the invasion that never came. His troll bots posting to faceturd to see how long it takes and how far it spreads, what actions result and how long before MSM picks up on it. Turning us against ourselves, with a willing participant in the WH. There’s your 4D chess.

Putin hasn't stopped laughing in over 3.5 years.

Halifax2TheMax

bbiggs said:

Can’t help but think this has the feel of a Waco, TX or Jonestown type environment operating under the guise of a peaceful protest.  The whole thing is incredibly odd.  Hopefully it doesn’t end like those two “gatherings” did. 

That’s a tad extreme. They’re not even close in comparison.

Halifax2TheMax

Wait! Is there a Comet Pizza franchise located within those 6 blocks?

bbiggs

Halifax2TheMax said:

bbiggs said:

Can’t help but think this has the feel of a Waco, TX or Jonestown type environment operating under the guise of a peaceful protest.  The whole thing is incredibly odd.  Hopefully it doesn’t end like those two “gatherings” did. 

That’s a tad extreme. They’re not even close in comparison.

Lawless societies with armed guards are a couple parallels that can be drawn. What happens when the city decides enough is enough and the party is over? It has the potential for a bad ending. Hopefully not. 

oftenreading

bbiggs said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

bbiggs said:

Can’t help but think this has the feel of a Waco, TX or Jonestown type environment operating under the guise of a peaceful protest.  The whole thing is incredibly odd.  Hopefully it doesn’t end like those two “gatherings” did. 

That’s a tad extreme. They’re not even close in comparison.

Lawless societies with armed guards are a couple parallels that can be drawn. What happens when the city decides enough is enough and the party is over? It has the potential for a bad ending. Hopefully not. 

It doesn’t appear lawless to me. It just doesn’t have the type of law some want to see there, which has not been helpful to that community. 

oftenreading

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

brianlux said:

nicknyr15 said:

This should end well. 

Ledbetterman10 said:

nicknyr15 said:

This should end well. 

I wondering how it'll all end too. It's pretty peaceful now according to reports. But what's going to happen when the party's over and they're told to go home? If that day even comes. 

It wouldn't surprise me if this ends differently than it started by being infiltrated by those who are fearful of social change.  It's happened numerous times.  Instead of focusing on what may happen or predicting a bad ending, I'm thrilled to see social experimentation and hopeful that something good will come out of what is happening NOW because right now, it's going well.

What good do you think could come from it? It's basically just a hippie block party. 

Given the choice between a hippie block party and an area full of police in riot gear harassing and harming citizens, I know where I'd rather be. 

Yeah of course you'd rather be a hippie block party. Who wouldn't? I'm just saying that's all it is. Brain being "thrilled" over the social experimentation and his hope that something good will come out of it, while well-meaning, is just delusional. It's not even a protest if there's no cops there to protest at. And it's not really a demonstration if it's not being widely broadcast, so people that don't share their opinion can't even be influenced by them. So it's nothing. Just young liberals hanging out...and there's nothing wrong with that. But that's all it is. 

So you believe it’s impossible for people gathering peacefully in a spirit of community engagement to make changes in their own community? That’s quite odd. There is plenty of precedent for people to improve their communities in this manner. 

I would also disagree with your opinion that it’s not a protest if there are no police to protest “at”. There is no requirement for a protest to be directly “at” a group for it to be effective. Case in point, Greta Thunberg’s protest, which started with her simply sitting quietly outside of school one day a week, I believe.  The fact that she was not right in front of polluters was irrelevant. 

Oh I agree peacefully gathering and protesting can cause change. I don't think this will though. What change is going come? No more police? Of course not. Police reform? Maybe based on the nationwide protests as a whole, but not by some city giving up six blocks to protesters. 

As for the Greta comparison, you're saying that people don't need to be in front of the person they're protesting for them to hear. I agree. But who is hearing or listening to CHAZ right now? Seems like an echo chamber if there's no dissenting views or debate. 

From the look of it, plenty of people are paying attention. The fact that the quality of information is variable is not surprising. What makes you call it an echo chamber? Seems to be a fair amount of discussion, which likely will become clearer over time. 

Ledbetterman10

oftenreading said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

brianlux said:

nicknyr15 said:

This should end well. 

Ledbetterman10 said:

nicknyr15 said:

This should end well. 

I wondering how it'll all end too. It's pretty peaceful now according to reports. But what's going to happen when the party's over and they're told to go home? If that day even comes. 

It wouldn't surprise me if this ends differently than it started by being infiltrated by those who are fearful of social change.  It's happened numerous times.  Instead of focusing on what may happen or predicting a bad ending, I'm thrilled to see social experimentation and hopeful that something good will come out of what is happening NOW because right now, it's going well.

What good do you think could come from it? It's basically just a hippie block party. 

Given the choice between a hippie block party and an area full of police in riot gear harassing and harming citizens, I know where I'd rather be. 

Yeah of course you'd rather be a hippie block party. Who wouldn't? I'm just saying that's all it is. Brain being "thrilled" over the social experimentation and his hope that something good will come out of it, while well-meaning, is just delusional. It's not even a protest if there's no cops there to protest at. And it's not really a demonstration if it's not being widely broadcast, so people that don't share their opinion can't even be influenced by them. So it's nothing. Just young liberals hanging out...and there's nothing wrong with that. But that's all it is. 

So you believe it’s impossible for people gathering peacefully in a spirit of community engagement to make changes in their own community? That’s quite odd. There is plenty of precedent for people to improve their communities in this manner. 

I would also disagree with your opinion that it’s not a protest if there are no police to protest “at”. There is no requirement for a protest to be directly “at” a group for it to be effective. Case in point, Greta Thunberg’s protest, which started with her simply sitting quietly outside of school one day a week, I believe.  The fact that she was not right in front of polluters was irrelevant. 

Oh I agree peacefully gathering and protesting can cause change. I don't think this will though. What change is going come? No more police? Of course not. Police reform? Maybe based on the nationwide protests as a whole, but not by some city giving up six blocks to protesters. 

As for the Greta comparison, you're saying that people don't need to be in front of the person they're protesting for them to hear. I agree. But who is hearing or listening to CHAZ right now? Seems like an echo chamber if there's no dissenting views or debate. 

From the look of it, plenty of people are paying attention. The fact that the quality of information is variable is not surprising. What makes you call it an echo chamber? Seems to be a fair amount of discussion, which likely will become clearer over time. 

I think people are paying attention to the fact that six city blocks have been "surrendered" so to speak, to protesters. I'm just kind of in the middle and waiting to see what will happen. Do I think it's a mini-militia like some on the right? No. Do I think it's a great social experiment that anything good will come from like some on the left? Again, no. As for calling it an "echo chamber," the definition of that term is "an environment in which a person encounters only beliefs or opinions that coincide with their own, so that their existing views are reinforced and alternative ideas are not considered." I think that's what it is. Which is to be expected of course. If someone in "CHAZ" were to try to make a positive argument about police, I don't think that would welcomed with healthy debate. 

Halifax2TheMax

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

brianlux said:

nicknyr15 said:

This should end well. 

Ledbetterman10 said:

nicknyr15 said:

This should end well. 

I wondering how it'll all end too. It's pretty peaceful now according to reports. But what's going to happen when the party's over and they're told to go home? If that day even comes. 

It wouldn't surprise me if this ends differently than it started by being infiltrated by those who are fearful of social change.  It's happened numerous times.  Instead of focusing on what may happen or predicting a bad ending, I'm thrilled to see social experimentation and hopeful that something good will come out of what is happening NOW because right now, it's going well.

What good do you think could come from it? It's basically just a hippie block party. 

Given the choice between a hippie block party and an area full of police in riot gear harassing and harming citizens, I know where I'd rather be. 

Yeah of course you'd rather be a hippie block party. Who wouldn't? I'm just saying that's all it is. Brain being "thrilled" over the social experimentation and his hope that something good will come out of it, while well-meaning, is just delusional. It's not even a protest if there's no cops there to protest at. And it's not really a demonstration if it's not being widely broadcast, so people that don't share their opinion can't even be influenced by them. So it's nothing. Just young liberals hanging out...and there's nothing wrong with that. But that's all it is. 

So you believe it’s impossible for people gathering peacefully in a spirit of community engagement to make changes in their own community? That’s quite odd. There is plenty of precedent for people to improve their communities in this manner. 

I would also disagree with your opinion that it’s not a protest if there are no police to protest “at”. There is no requirement for a protest to be directly “at” a group for it to be effective. Case in point, Greta Thunberg’s protest, which started with her simply sitting quietly outside of school one day a week, I believe.  The fact that she was not right in front of polluters was irrelevant. 

Oh I agree peacefully gathering and protesting can cause change. I don't think this will though. What change is going come? No more police? Of course not. Police reform? Maybe based on the nationwide protests as a whole, but not by some city giving up six blocks to protesters. 

As for the Greta comparison, you're saying that people don't need to be in front of the person they're protesting for them to hear. I agree. But who is hearing or listening to CHAZ right now? Seems like an echo chamber if there's no dissenting views or debate. 

From the look of it, plenty of people are paying attention. The fact that the quality of information is variable is not surprising. What makes you call it an echo chamber? Seems to be a fair amount of discussion, which likely will become clearer over time. 

I think people are paying attention to the fact that six city blocks have been "surrendered" so to speak, to protesters. I'm just kind of in the middle and waiting to see what will happen. Do I think it's a mini-militia like some on the right? No. Do I think it's a great social experiment that anything good will come from like some on the left? Again, no. As for calling it an "echo chamber," the definition of that term is "an environment in which a person encounters only beliefs or opinions that coincide with their own, so that their existing views are reinforced and alternative ideas are not considered." I think that's what it is. Which is to be expected of course. If someone in "CHAZ" were to try to make a positive argument about police, I don't think that would welcomed with healthy debate. 

Never mind the reporting on “heated discussions” taking place. No opposing views, just everyone in agreement on what and how to do moving forward.