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My point is that guns are present. You said they weren't. And of course you brought up the fake Fox News picture. Yes, that was fake. That's why I posted actual videos.Halifax2TheMax said:
Washington State is open carry right? And the Faux news photoshop of “armed guards” was proven to be bullshit. Why now, in CHAZ or CHOP, which the right constantly proclaims as lawless, is it an issue for citizens to legally open carry? I’m on the record as being opposed to any side open carrying. It’s like some posters are just dying for blood to be spilled and mayhem to ensue. That said, what’s your point other than there’s guns present? Pretty much like in a lot of America, some places more than others. I guess it’s a lot more like Bundyism and libertarianism then? But next jimjam goes to Seattle, s/he will restore order?Ledbetterman10 said:
Oh there's firearms...Halifax2TheMax said:Yea, sounds like real lunacy. More like libertarianism or Bundyism, without the firearms. You going looking for the pizza franchise?
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/dubbed-a-lawless-state-by-some-the-chaz-or-chop-seattles-newest-neighborhood-tries-to-create-its-own-narrative/
For someone that complains over and over about "responsible" gun owners not being responsible, I would think you would be against just handing out firearms from the back of your car like "Raz" in the second video.
And no, nobody's "dying for blood to be spilled and mayhem to ensue." But there is a possibility that something bad like that could happen. Whether it be a conflict amongst some the people, some bad actors from the outside looking to cause chaos, a showdown with police (if they're ever allowed back to their precinct), etc.
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Again, I’m on the record as against firearms being possessed by any side during times of protest but you seemed okay with state house protesters protesting quarantine and masks but not Seattle protesters open carrying. Further, do you know which “side” the armed Seattle protestors are on? I’m opposed, even if they’re ANTIFA. And yes, I am opposed to someone handing out guns Willy nilly to anyone. Just another “responsible” gun owner.Ledbetterman10 said:
My point is that guns are present. You said they weren't. And of course you brought up the fake Fox News picture. Yes, that was fake. That's why I posted actual videos.Halifax2TheMax said:
Washington State is open carry right? And the Faux news photoshop of “armed guards” was proven to be bullshit. Why now, in CHAZ or CHOP, which the right constantly proclaims as lawless, is it an issue for citizens to legally open carry? I’m on the record as being opposed to any side open carrying. It’s like some posters are just dying for blood to be spilled and mayhem to ensue. That said, what’s your point other than there’s guns present? Pretty much like in a lot of America, some places more than others. I guess it’s a lot more like Bundyism and libertarianism then? But next jimjam goes to Seattle, s/he will restore order?Ledbetterman10 said:
Oh there's firearms...Halifax2TheMax said:Yea, sounds like real lunacy. More like libertarianism or Bundyism, without the firearms. You going looking for the pizza franchise?
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/dubbed-a-lawless-state-by-some-the-chaz-or-chop-seattles-newest-neighborhood-tries-to-create-its-own-narrative/
For someone that complains over and over about "responsible" gun owners not being responsible, I would think you would be against just handing out firearms from the back of your car like "Raz" in the second video.
And no, nobody's "dying for blood to be spilled and mayhem to ensue." But there is a possibility that something bad like that could happen. Whether it be a conflict amongst some the people, some bad actors from the outside looking to cause chaos, a showdown with police (if they're ever allowed back to their precinct), etc.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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RYME said:Isnt this what the Left wants? You put George Bush's head on a stick filet him slap him around, hate everything about America and capitalism. Well you got what you wanted.
https://youtu.be/5nhyhlzLwIw
Is Pearl Jam one of the house bands playing as you enter the Utopian country known as as CHOP? Ya know like when you use to be able to go to ballgames & there is a pep band playing in the foyer.
Literally the blackout is now going through the cities. And W is nowhere around what happened?
That and Howard Zinn's revised history brings us to where we are today.
Great job!
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With videos of people just handing out guns like that, it’s just a matter of time before the ATF gets involved...they need to reign that shit in!Ledbetterman10 said:
My point is that guns are present. You said they weren't. And of course you brought up the fake Fox News picture. Yes, that was fake. That's why I posted actual videos.Halifax2TheMax said:
Washington State is open carry right? And the Faux news photoshop of “armed guards” was proven to be bullshit. Why now, in CHAZ or CHOP, which the right constantly proclaims as lawless, is it an issue for citizens to legally open carry? I’m on the record as being opposed to any side open carrying. It’s like some posters are just dying for blood to be spilled and mayhem to ensue. That said, what’s your point other than there’s guns present? Pretty much like in a lot of America, some places more than others. I guess it’s a lot more like Bundyism and libertarianism then? But next jimjam goes to Seattle, s/he will restore order?Ledbetterman10 said:
Oh there's firearms...Halifax2TheMax said:Yea, sounds like real lunacy. More like libertarianism or Bundyism, without the firearms. You going looking for the pizza franchise?
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/dubbed-a-lawless-state-by-some-the-chaz-or-chop-seattles-newest-neighborhood-tries-to-create-its-own-narrative/
For someone that complains over and over about "responsible" gun owners not being responsible, I would think you would be against just handing out firearms from the back of your car like "Raz" in the second video.
And no, nobody's "dying for blood to be spilled and mayhem to ensue." But there is a possibility that something bad like that could happen. Whether it be a conflict amongst some the people, some bad actors from the outside looking to cause chaos, a showdown with police (if they're ever allowed back to their precinct), etc.0 -
I knew you'd bring up those lockdown protesters (though I expected it in your previous post). You're unbelievable. I've never said I was okay with those lockdown protesters carrying guns. You're so partisan. The CHOP people are on the "left" so you think if I'm critical of them carrying AR-15's around, then I must be okay with the lockdown protesters carrying them because they're on the "right"? God almighty. We're not all beholden to one political side like you are.Halifax2TheMax said:
Again, I’m on the record as against firearms being possessed by any side during times of protest but you seemed okay with state house protesters protesting quarantine and masks but not Seattle protesters open carrying. Further, do you know which “side” the armed Seattle protestors are on? I’m opposed, even if they’re ANTIFA. And yes, I am opposed to someone handing out guns Willy nilly to anyone. Just another “responsible” gun owner.Ledbetterman10 said:
My point is that guns are present. You said they weren't. And of course you brought up the fake Fox News picture. Yes, that was fake. That's why I posted actual videos.Halifax2TheMax said:
Washington State is open carry right? And the Faux news photoshop of “armed guards” was proven to be bullshit. Why now, in CHAZ or CHOP, which the right constantly proclaims as lawless, is it an issue for citizens to legally open carry? I’m on the record as being opposed to any side open carrying. It’s like some posters are just dying for blood to be spilled and mayhem to ensue. That said, what’s your point other than there’s guns present? Pretty much like in a lot of America, some places more than others. I guess it’s a lot more like Bundyism and libertarianism then? But next jimjam goes to Seattle, s/he will restore order?Ledbetterman10 said:
Oh there's firearms...Halifax2TheMax said:Yea, sounds like real lunacy. More like libertarianism or Bundyism, without the firearms. You going looking for the pizza franchise?
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/dubbed-a-lawless-state-by-some-the-chaz-or-chop-seattles-newest-neighborhood-tries-to-create-its-own-narrative/
For someone that complains over and over about "responsible" gun owners not being responsible, I would think you would be against just handing out firearms from the back of your car like "Raz" in the second video.
And no, nobody's "dying for blood to be spilled and mayhem to ensue." But there is a possibility that something bad like that could happen. Whether it be a conflict amongst some the people, some bad actors from the outside looking to cause chaos, a showdown with police (if they're ever allowed back to their precinct), etc.
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Seems rather similar to those dreaded “whataboutisms”. Straw men will strawman...Ledbetterman10 said:
I knew you'd bring up those lockdown protesters (though I expected it in your previous post). You're unbelievable. I've never said I was okay with those lockdown protesters carrying guns. You're so partisan. The CHOP people are on the "left" so you think if I'm critical of them, then I must not be okay with the lockdown protesters because they're on the "right"? God almighty.Halifax2TheMax said:
Again, I’m on the record as against firearms being possessed by any side during times of protest but you seemed okay with state house protesters protesting quarantine and masks but not Seattle protesters open carrying. Further, do you know which “side” the armed Seattle protestors are on? I’m opposed, even if they’re ANTIFA. And yes, I am opposed to someone handing out guns Willy nilly to anyone. Just another “responsible” gun owner.Ledbetterman10 said:
My point is that guns are present. You said they weren't. And of course you brought up the fake Fox News picture. Yes, that was fake. That's why I posted actual videos.Halifax2TheMax said:
Washington State is open carry right? And the Faux news photoshop of “armed guards” was proven to be bullshit. Why now, in CHAZ or CHOP, which the right constantly proclaims as lawless, is it an issue for citizens to legally open carry? I’m on the record as being opposed to any side open carrying. It’s like some posters are just dying for blood to be spilled and mayhem to ensue. That said, what’s your point other than there’s guns present? Pretty much like in a lot of America, some places more than others. I guess it’s a lot more like Bundyism and libertarianism then? But next jimjam goes to Seattle, s/he will restore order?Ledbetterman10 said:
Oh there's firearms...Halifax2TheMax said:Yea, sounds like real lunacy. More like libertarianism or Bundyism, without the firearms. You going looking for the pizza franchise?
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/dubbed-a-lawless-state-by-some-the-chaz-or-chop-seattles-newest-neighborhood-tries-to-create-its-own-narrative/
For someone that complains over and over about "responsible" gun owners not being responsible, I would think you would be against just handing out firearms from the back of your car like "Raz" in the second video.
And no, nobody's "dying for blood to be spilled and mayhem to ensue." But there is a possibility that something bad like that could happen. Whether it be a conflict amongst some the people, some bad actors from the outside looking to cause chaos, a showdown with police (if they're ever allowed back to their precinct), etc.0 -
But you hath not protested of the other? I thought I was insufferable? Are all CHOP people on the left? You can declare that unequivocally, no one from the “right” to stir shit or misrepresent conditions on the ground?Ledbetterman10 said:
I knew you'd bring up those lockdown protesters (though I expected it in your previous post). You're unbelievable. I've never said I was okay with those lockdown protesters carrying guns. You're so partisan. The CHOP people are on the "left" so you think if I'm critical of them carrying AR-15's around, then I must be okay with the lockdown protesters carrying them because they're on the "right"? God almighty. We're not all beholden to one political side like you are.Halifax2TheMax said:
Again, I’m on the record as against firearms being possessed by any side during times of protest but you seemed okay with state house protesters protesting quarantine and masks but not Seattle protesters open carrying. Further, do you know which “side” the armed Seattle protestors are on? I’m opposed, even if they’re ANTIFA. And yes, I am opposed to someone handing out guns Willy nilly to anyone. Just another “responsible” gun owner.Ledbetterman10 said:
My point is that guns are present. You said they weren't. And of course you brought up the fake Fox News picture. Yes, that was fake. That's why I posted actual videos.Halifax2TheMax said:
Washington State is open carry right? And the Faux news photoshop of “armed guards” was proven to be bullshit. Why now, in CHAZ or CHOP, which the right constantly proclaims as lawless, is it an issue for citizens to legally open carry? I’m on the record as being opposed to any side open carrying. It’s like some posters are just dying for blood to be spilled and mayhem to ensue. That said, what’s your point other than there’s guns present? Pretty much like in a lot of America, some places more than others. I guess it’s a lot more like Bundyism and libertarianism then? But next jimjam goes to Seattle, s/he will restore order?Ledbetterman10 said:
Oh there's firearms...Halifax2TheMax said:Yea, sounds like real lunacy. More like libertarianism or Bundyism, without the firearms. You going looking for the pizza franchise?
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/dubbed-a-lawless-state-by-some-the-chaz-or-chop-seattles-newest-neighborhood-tries-to-create-its-own-narrative/
For someone that complains over and over about "responsible" gun owners not being responsible, I would think you would be against just handing out firearms from the back of your car like "Raz" in the second video.
And no, nobody's "dying for blood to be spilled and mayhem to ensue." But there is a possibility that something bad like that could happen. Whether it be a conflict amongst some the people, some bad actors from the outside looking to cause chaos, a showdown with police (if they're ever allowed back to their precinct), etc.
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Oh no, there's people on the right in CHOP too. I'm saying the concept of CHOP is endorsed by the left; folks like yourself, the mayor of Seattle, etc. are all for it. If anything, it'll likely be crazy far-right people that cause problems. But it will be the left's fault for allowing the lawlessness.Halifax2TheMax said:
But you hath not protested of the other? I thought I was insufferable? Are all CHOP people on the left? You can declare that unequivocally, no one from the “right” to stir shit or misrepresent conditions on the ground?Ledbetterman10 said:
I knew you'd bring up those lockdown protesters (though I expected it in your previous post). You're unbelievable. I've never said I was okay with those lockdown protesters carrying guns. You're so partisan. The CHOP people are on the "left" so you think if I'm critical of them carrying AR-15's around, then I must be okay with the lockdown protesters carrying them because they're on the "right"? God almighty. We're not all beholden to one political side like you are.Halifax2TheMax said:
Again, I’m on the record as against firearms being possessed by any side during times of protest but you seemed okay with state house protesters protesting quarantine and masks but not Seattle protesters open carrying. Further, do you know which “side” the armed Seattle protestors are on? I’m opposed, even if they’re ANTIFA. And yes, I am opposed to someone handing out guns Willy nilly to anyone. Just another “responsible” gun owner.Ledbetterman10 said:
My point is that guns are present. You said they weren't. And of course you brought up the fake Fox News picture. Yes, that was fake. That's why I posted actual videos.Halifax2TheMax said:
Washington State is open carry right? And the Faux news photoshop of “armed guards” was proven to be bullshit. Why now, in CHAZ or CHOP, which the right constantly proclaims as lawless, is it an issue for citizens to legally open carry? I’m on the record as being opposed to any side open carrying. It’s like some posters are just dying for blood to be spilled and mayhem to ensue. That said, what’s your point other than there’s guns present? Pretty much like in a lot of America, some places more than others. I guess it’s a lot more like Bundyism and libertarianism then? But next jimjam goes to Seattle, s/he will restore order?Ledbetterman10 said:
Oh there's firearms...Halifax2TheMax said:Yea, sounds like real lunacy. More like libertarianism or Bundyism, without the firearms. You going looking for the pizza franchise?
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/dubbed-a-lawless-state-by-some-the-chaz-or-chop-seattles-newest-neighborhood-tries-to-create-its-own-narrative/
For someone that complains over and over about "responsible" gun owners not being responsible, I would think you would be against just handing out firearms from the back of your car like "Raz" in the second video.
And no, nobody's "dying for blood to be spilled and mayhem to ensue." But there is a possibility that something bad like that could happen. Whether it be a conflict amongst some the people, some bad actors from the outside looking to cause chaos, a showdown with police (if they're ever allowed back to their precinct), etc.
Oh yea, you’re neutral, like on a moving train. And I don’t believe in god.
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And because there couldn't possibly be "responsible" gun owners like this in Seattle, right?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/06/16/albuquerque-militia-shooting-protest/
Armed militia member arrested, identified after man shot at Albuquerque protestProtesters in Albuquerque wrapped a chain around the neck of a bronze statue and began tugging, chanting “Tear it down,” shortly before sunset on Monday. Their efforts to pull down a monument of Spanish conquistador Juan de Oñate suddenly stopped as four shots rang out.
Most people instinctively turned toward the noise, videos from the scene show. A few screamed. Just yards away, a group of militia men sporting militarylike garb and carrying semiautomatic rifles formed a protective circle around the gunman.
The gunshots, which left one man in critical but stable condition, have set off a cascade of public outcry denouncing the unregulated militia’s presence and the shooting. On Tuesday morning, the Albuquerque Police Department announced that detectives had arrested Stephen Ray Baca, 31, in connection with the shooting.
Baca was booked into the Metro Detention Center on a charge of aggravated battery, police spokesman Gilbert Gallegos, Jr. said in a statement.
The victim has not been identified. Authorities said the investigation is ongoing.
“The heavily armed individuals who flaunted themselves at the protest, calling themselves a ‘civil guard,’ were there for one reason: To menace protesters, to present an unsanctioned show of unregulated force,” New Mexico Gov. Michelle Lujan Grisham (D) said in a statement. “To menace the people of New Mexico with weaponry — with an implicit threat of violence — is on its face unacceptable; that violence did indeed occur is unspeakable.”
Albuquerque Mayor Tim Keller (D) said the statue would now be speedily removed as an “urgent matter of public safety” until authorities determine a next step.
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I think you need to call the whambulance, your tears are gonna flood you out soon 🤣🤣RYME said:Isnt this what the Left wants? You put George Bush's head on a stick filet him slap him around, hate everything about America and capitalism. Well you got what you wanted.https://youtu.be/5nhyhlzLwIw
Is Pearl Jam one of the house bands playing as you enter the Utopian country known as as CHOP? Ya know like when you use to be able to go to ballgames & there is a pep band playing in the foyer.
Literally the blackout is now going through the cities. And W is nowhere around what happened?
That and Howard Zinn's revised history brings us to where we are today.
Great job!
I remember just a few days ago you were talking a big game about being here to have serious discussions and learn and reach common ground lol
How about you don't drag on Pearl Jam around here and we will all continue to peaceably tolerate the crap hick stuff with which you flood the Lounge?
Deal?Zinns isnt revised history. its more complete and without the rah rah brochure. backed up by citations of historical documents.certain portions backed up by biographies like US Grants recollections on the Mexican War and how we got into it. It confirms independently Zinns assertions related to that specifically.Remember , taught histories were written by the "winner" except in the case of the civil war which was rewritten by the losers......._____________________________________SIGNATURE________________________________________________
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This is exactly what I'm talking about with my last post regarding Seattle when I said "If anything, it'll likely be crazy far-right people that cause problems. But it will be the left's fault for allowing the lawlessness."Halifax2TheMax said:And because there couldn't possibly be "responsible" gun owners like this in Seattle, right?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/06/16/albuquerque-militia-shooting-protest/“The heavily armed individuals who flaunted themselves at the protest, calling themselves a ‘civil guard,’ were there for one reason: To menace protesters, to present an unsanctioned show of unregulated force,” New Mexico Gov. Michelle Lujan Grisham (D) said in a statement. “To menace the people of New Mexico with weaponry — with an implicit threat of violence — is on its face unacceptable; that violence did indeed occur is unspeakable.”
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Just be honest. We would be seeing a new "responsible" gun owner post from you every time you opened up your twitter account if this was widely seen as a movement by the other side. Just go back a few weeks ago when it seems you were convinced the right wing protesters were going to be spraying bullets at anytime. You may be against open carry, but you certainly haven't given both examples the same treatment.Halifax2TheMax said:
Washington State is open carry right? And the Faux news photoshop of “armed guards” was proven to be bullshit. Why now, in CHAZ or CHOP, which the right constantly proclaims as lawless, is it an issue for citizens to legally open carry? I’m on the record as being opposed to any side open carrying. It’s like some posters are just dying for blood to be spilled and mayhem to ensue. That said, what’s your point other than there’s guns present? Pretty much like in a lot of America, some places more than others. I guess it’s a lot more like Bundyism and libertarianism then? But next jimjam goes to Seattle, s/he will restore order?Ledbetterman10 said:
Oh there's firearms...Halifax2TheMax said:Yea, sounds like real lunacy. More like libertarianism or Bundyism, without the firearms. You going looking for the pizza franchise?
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/dubbed-a-lawless-state-by-some-the-chaz-or-chop-seattles-newest-neighborhood-tries-to-create-its-own-narrative/
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I don’t believe I said anything about “spraying” bullets but certainly questioned their need to carry firearms to a “peaceful” protest, other than to intimidate. I don’t have a Twitter account so I’m not sure what you’re getting at. But again, for the record as previously stated, I’m against all sides being armed. But some on here only have a problem with one side being armed.JW269453 said:
Just be honest. We would be seeing a new "responsible" gun owner post from you every time you opened up your twitter account if this was widely seen as a movement by the other side. Just go back a few weeks ago when it seems you were convinced the right wing protesters were going to be spraying bullets at anytime. You may be against open carry, but you certainly haven't given both examples the same treatment.Halifax2TheMax said:
Washington State is open carry right? And the Faux news photoshop of “armed guards” was proven to be bullshit. Why now, in CHAZ or CHOP, which the right constantly proclaims as lawless, is it an issue for citizens to legally open carry? I’m on the record as being opposed to any side open carrying. It’s like some posters are just dying for blood to be spilled and mayhem to ensue. That said, what’s your point other than there’s guns present? Pretty much like in a lot of America, some places more than others. I guess it’s a lot more like Bundyism and libertarianism then? But next jimjam goes to Seattle, s/he will restore order?Ledbetterman10 said:
Oh there's firearms...Halifax2TheMax said:Yea, sounds like real lunacy. More like libertarianism or Bundyism, without the firearms. You going looking for the pizza franchise?
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/dubbed-a-lawless-state-by-some-the-chaz-or-chop-seattles-newest-neighborhood-tries-to-create-its-own-narrative/09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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I would also add there’s a difference between carrying a firearm you legally purchased vs giving them out to random strangers.Ledbetterman10 said:
My point is that guns are present. You said they weren't. And of course you brought up the fake Fox News picture. Yes, that was fake. That's why I posted actual videos.Halifax2TheMax said:
Washington State is open carry right? And the Faux news photoshop of “armed guards” was proven to be bullshit. Why now, in CHAZ or CHOP, which the right constantly proclaims as lawless, is it an issue for citizens to legally open carry? I’m on the record as being opposed to any side open carrying. It’s like some posters are just dying for blood to be spilled and mayhem to ensue. That said, what’s your point other than there’s guns present? Pretty much like in a lot of America, some places more than others. I guess it’s a lot more like Bundyism and libertarianism then? But next jimjam goes to Seattle, s/he will restore order?Ledbetterman10 said:
Oh there's firearms...Halifax2TheMax said:Yea, sounds like real lunacy. More like libertarianism or Bundyism, without the firearms. You going looking for the pizza franchise?
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/dubbed-a-lawless-state-by-some-the-chaz-or-chop-seattles-newest-neighborhood-tries-to-create-its-own-narrative/
For someone that complains over and over about "responsible" gun owners not being responsible, I would think you would be against just handing out firearms from the back of your car like "Raz" in the second video.
And no, nobody's "dying for blood to be spilled and mayhem to ensue." But there is a possibility that something bad like that could happen. Whether it be a conflict amongst some the people, some bad actors from the outside looking to cause chaos, a showdown with police (if they're ever allowed back to their precinct), etc.0 -
Another reference to “lawlessness.” Do you know the political leanings of the “responsible” gun owner passing out guns from the back of their car? Because it’s not like the right has ever misrepresented itself to embarrass the other side, right? That’s never happened, right?Ledbetterman10 said:
This is exactly what I'm talking about with my last post regarding Seattle when I said "If anything, it'll likely be crazy far-right people that cause problems. But it will be the left's fault for allowing the lawlessness."Halifax2TheMax said:And because there couldn't possibly be "responsible" gun owners like this in Seattle, right?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/06/16/albuquerque-militia-shooting-protest/“The heavily armed individuals who flaunted themselves at the protest, calling themselves a ‘civil guard,’ were there for one reason: To menace protesters, to present an unsanctioned show of unregulated force,” New Mexico Gov. Michelle Lujan Grisham (D) said in a statement. “To menace the people of New Mexico with weaponry — with an implicit threat of violence — is on its face unacceptable; that violence did indeed occur is unspeakable.”
So, do you think open carry is a good or bad thing, particularly at protests?09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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I can't speak for everyone but based on your selective commenting on the topic and your open disdain for the other party, this pretty much describes yourself.Halifax2TheMax said:
I don’t believe I said anything about “spraying” bullets but certainly questioned their need to carry firearms to a “peaceful” protest, other than to intimidate. I don’t have a Twitter account so I’m not sure what you’re getting at. But again, for the record as previously stated, I’m against all sides being armed. But some on here only have a problem with one side being armed.JW269453 said:
Just be honest. We would be seeing a new "responsible" gun owner post from you every time you opened up your twitter account if this was widely seen as a movement by the other side. Just go back a few weeks ago when it seems you were convinced the right wing protesters were going to be spraying bullets at anytime. You may be against open carry, but you certainly haven't given both examples the same treatment.Halifax2TheMax said:
Washington State is open carry right? And the Faux news photoshop of “armed guards” was proven to be bullshit. Why now, in CHAZ or CHOP, which the right constantly proclaims as lawless, is it an issue for citizens to legally open carry? I’m on the record as being opposed to any side open carrying. It’s like some posters are just dying for blood to be spilled and mayhem to ensue. That said, what’s your point other than there’s guns present? Pretty much like in a lot of America, some places more than others. I guess it’s a lot more like Bundyism and libertarianism then? But next jimjam goes to Seattle, s/he will restore order?Ledbetterman10 said:
Oh there's firearms...Halifax2TheMax said:Yea, sounds like real lunacy. More like libertarianism or Bundyism, without the firearms. You going looking for the pizza franchise?
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/dubbed-a-lawless-state-by-some-the-chaz-or-chop-seattles-newest-neighborhood-tries-to-create-its-own-narrative/
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What I always find interesting is that people seem to assume that only one “side” promotes gun ownership. To me, that’s why I always saw it risky for hardcore gun control democrats to push that platform so vehemently as it alienates many who would otherwise align with them. For example, google the Puget Sound John Brown Gun ClubJW269453 said:
Just be honest. We would be seeing a new "responsible" gun owner post from you every time you opened up your twitter account if this was widely seen as a movement by the other side. Just go back a few weeks ago when it seems you were convinced the right wing protesters were going to be spraying bullets at anytime. You may be against open carry, but you certainly haven't given both examples the same treatment.Halifax2TheMax said:
Washington State is open carry right? And the Faux news photoshop of “armed guards” was proven to be bullshit. Why now, in CHAZ or CHOP, which the right constantly proclaims as lawless, is it an issue for citizens to legally open carry? I’m on the record as being opposed to any side open carrying. It’s like some posters are just dying for blood to be spilled and mayhem to ensue. That said, what’s your point other than there’s guns present? Pretty much like in a lot of America, some places more than others. I guess it’s a lot more like Bundyism and libertarianism then? But next jimjam goes to Seattle, s/he will restore order?Ledbetterman10 said:
Oh there's firearms...Halifax2TheMax said:Yea, sounds like real lunacy. More like libertarianism or Bundyism, without the firearms. You going looking for the pizza franchise?
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/dubbed-a-lawless-state-by-some-the-chaz-or-chop-seattles-newest-neighborhood-tries-to-create-its-own-narrative/
https://psjbgc.org/I would be willing to bet they are pretty active in the CHOP...0 -
Any time young, forward thinking people try something new, there will always be those who make bad decisions and there will always be people who will infiltrate and fuck things up. That's all probably true with what's going on with CHOP. I'm not naive enough to think everything is rosy in CHOP but I do believe there are some positive, forward thinking ideas being worked out in this fascinating social experiment. The video in the article linked below shows some of the positive aspects of what is happening in CHOP. It's easy to be cynical and put something down. What the people are actually doing to make CHOP happen in a peaceful way is called good work. That takes a lot more energy that what we are doing here, what I am doing here by writing this. Kudos to the young people are actaully working out there, making an effort to change the world for the better.
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It doesn't matter what the political leanings of the individuals are. When I say the Seattle protests are "left" and the lockdown protests are "right," I mean it by who's championing and endorsing them. The Seattle protests are "left" because the left endorses them. The left is all about CHOP, and the right is critical. The lockdown protests were "right" because the right were all for them, and the left was critical.Halifax2TheMax said:
Another reference to “lawlessness.” Do you know the political leanings of the “responsible” gun owner passing out guns from the back of their car? Because it’s not like the right has ever misrepresented itself to embarrass the other side, right? That’s never happened, right?Ledbetterman10 said:
This is exactly what I'm talking about with my last post regarding Seattle when I said "If anything, it'll likely be crazy far-right people that cause problems. But it will be the left's fault for allowing the lawlessness."Halifax2TheMax said:And because there couldn't possibly be "responsible" gun owners like this in Seattle, right?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/06/16/albuquerque-militia-shooting-protest/“The heavily armed individuals who flaunted themselves at the protest, calling themselves a ‘civil guard,’ were there for one reason: To menace protesters, to present an unsanctioned show of unregulated force,” New Mexico Gov. Michelle Lujan Grisham (D) said in a statement. “To menace the people of New Mexico with weaponry — with an implicit threat of violence — is on its face unacceptable; that violence did indeed occur is unspeakable.”
So, do you think open carry is a good or bad thing, particularly at protests?
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The guy clearly asked who knows how to use a gun. Do you not count that as a background check?PJPOWER said:
Doesn’t seem too responsible....why would they need guns? They obviously are not doing background checks...Ledbetterman10 said:
Oh there's firearms...Halifax2TheMax said:Yea, sounds like real lunacy. More like libertarianism or Bundyism, without the firearms. You going looking for the pizza franchise?
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/dubbed-a-lawless-state-by-some-the-chaz-or-chop-seattles-newest-neighborhood-tries-to-create-its-own-narrative/It has been said plenty of times in the gun violence thread that only the police should have firearms...
You can also hear a lady say don’t point that at me. That clearly qualifies as a safety course.0
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