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  • CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via ChicagoPosts: 6,183
    PJNB said:
    CM189191 said:
    static111 said:
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.yahoo.com/amphtml/columbus-police-fatally-shoot-person-222318319.html Can’t stop won’t stop. They killed a 15 year old black girl that reportedly called them for help. How much is enough? Will it ever end?
    Have you seen the video? Still think this is the same?

    I have and I don’t. 

    Police shouldn't be killing anyone.  I don't understand why this is a controversial statement.
    We need to find a better way of policing.
    In a perfect world I would agree but we do not live in that world. What would you suggest the officer of done in that video that would of saved all of the lives in the altercation? You have to factor in the odds of whatever you suggest not working out too and someone else being wounded or killed due to the inaction or weak response. You also have to factor in the cop is rolling up to the chaotic scene and does not have the luxury of sitting back pressing pause and weighing all of their options. That is where training comes in I guess but that was a human decision made to save a life and I think with the info we have was the right one. 





    I'm not talking about a perfect world.  Just every. other. nation.

    It only happens here.  In the US.  We live in a police state.  Where police kill citizens with impunity and immunity.

    https://www.prisonpolicy.org/blog/2020/06/05/policekillings/
    https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/how-police-compare-different-democracies
    https://www.statista.com/statistics/1124039/police-killings-rate-selected-countries/

    The police could have, and should have tried literally anything else.  Anything that wasn't pulling a gun and murdering a citizen.  Literally any other response.  Why is it always kill kill kill?
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 20,849
    CM189191 said:
    PJNB said:
    CM189191 said:
    static111 said:
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.yahoo.com/amphtml/columbus-police-fatally-shoot-person-222318319.html Can’t stop won’t stop. They killed a 15 year old black girl that reportedly called them for help. How much is enough? Will it ever end?
    Have you seen the video? Still think this is the same?

    I have and I don’t. 

    Police shouldn't be killing anyone.  I don't understand why this is a controversial statement.
    We need to find a better way of policing.
    In a perfect world I would agree but we do not live in that world. What would you suggest the officer of done in that video that would of saved all of the lives in the altercation? You have to factor in the odds of whatever you suggest not working out too and someone else being wounded or killed due to the inaction or weak response. You also have to factor in the cop is rolling up to the chaotic scene and does not have the luxury of sitting back pressing pause and weighing all of their options. That is where training comes in I guess but that was a human decision made to save a life and I think with the info we have was the right one. 





    I'm not talking about a perfect world.  Just every. other. nation.

    It only happens here.  In the US.  We live in a police state.  Where police kill citizens with impunity and immunity.

    https://www.prisonpolicy.org/blog/2020/06/05/policekillings/
    https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/how-police-compare-different-democracies
    https://www.statista.com/statistics/1124039/police-killings-rate-selected-countries/

    The police could have, and should have tried literally anything else.  Anything that wasn't pulling a gun and murdering a citizen.  Literally any other response.  Why is it always kill kill kill?

    "I feared for my life"

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  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 5,504
    CM189191 said:
    PJNB said:
    CM189191 said:
    static111 said:
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.yahoo.com/amphtml/columbus-police-fatally-shoot-person-222318319.html Can’t stop won’t stop. They killed a 15 year old black girl that reportedly called them for help. How much is enough? Will it ever end?
    Have you seen the video? Still think this is the same?

    I have and I don’t. 

    Police shouldn't be killing anyone.  I don't understand why this is a controversial statement.
    We need to find a better way of policing.
    In a perfect world I would agree but we do not live in that world. What would you suggest the officer of done in that video that would of saved all of the lives in the altercation? You have to factor in the odds of whatever you suggest not working out too and someone else being wounded or killed due to the inaction or weak response. You also have to factor in the cop is rolling up to the chaotic scene and does not have the luxury of sitting back pressing pause and weighing all of their options. That is where training comes in I guess but that was a human decision made to save a life and I think with the info we have was the right one. 





    I'm not talking about a perfect world.  Just every. other. nation.

    It only happens here.  In the US.  We live in a police state.  Where police kill citizens with impunity and immunity.

    https://www.prisonpolicy.org/blog/2020/06/05/policekillings/
    https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/how-police-compare-different-democracies
    https://www.statista.com/statistics/1124039/police-killings-rate-selected-countries/

    The police could have, and should have tried literally anything else.  Anything that wasn't pulling a gun and murdering a citizen.  Literally any other response.  Why is it always kill kill kill?

    You bring up a great point... the US rate of incarceration alone as compared to other developed countries tells us we're doing something terribly wrong here.  

  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 24,706
    edited April 23
    Chauvin was doing this for years this dirty cop should of been weeded out and fired way back ! 
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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 14,820
    CM189191 said:
    PJNB said:
    CM189191 said:
    static111 said:
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.yahoo.com/amphtml/columbus-police-fatally-shoot-person-222318319.html Can’t stop won’t stop. They killed a 15 year old black girl that reportedly called them for help. How much is enough? Will it ever end?
    Have you seen the video? Still think this is the same?

    I have and I don’t. 

    Police shouldn't be killing anyone.  I don't understand why this is a controversial statement.
    We need to find a better way of policing.
    In a perfect world I would agree but we do not live in that world. What would you suggest the officer of done in that video that would of saved all of the lives in the altercation? You have to factor in the odds of whatever you suggest not working out too and someone else being wounded or killed due to the inaction or weak response. You also have to factor in the cop is rolling up to the chaotic scene and does not have the luxury of sitting back pressing pause and weighing all of their options. That is where training comes in I guess but that was a human decision made to save a life and I think with the info we have was the right one. 





    I'm not talking about a perfect world.  Just every. other. nation.

    It only happens here.  In the US.  We live in a police state.  Where police kill citizens with impunity and immunity.

    https://www.prisonpolicy.org/blog/2020/06/05/policekillings/
    https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/how-police-compare-different-democracies
    https://www.statista.com/statistics/1124039/police-killings-rate-selected-countries/

    The police could have, and should have tried literally anything else.  Anything that wasn't pulling a gun and murdering a citizen.  Literally any other response.  Why is it always kill kill kill?
    So then, you would be ok if the police officer let the girl stab that other person and then did what exactly?  Tackle her?  Stun her?  I'm talking a specific incident and you are trying to talk about a "police state".  What would you have done as an officer in that situation?  You say "literally any response".  SO say fuck it and jump back in your police car?  Let them fight it out and see who gets the knife and stabs the most?  

    Not all these situations are the same and it's really frustrating when you have 2 factions that are always lazy about it.  Either ACAB or Blue Loves matter...never looking at each situation.
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  • static111static111 Posts: 2,507
    static111 said:
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.yahoo.com/amphtml/columbus-police-fatally-shoot-person-222318319.html Can’t stop won’t stop. They killed a 15 year old black girl that reportedly called them for help. How much is enough? Will it ever end?
    Have you seen the video? Still think this is the same?

    I have and I don’t. 
    Yes and yes.   According to other accounts besides the official police story these were grown women harassing a 16 year old.  If that is the case that girl was absolutely justified to defend herself.  It seems like for some people the first time a Black life has ever mattered to them is when it justifies a police officer taking another one. Have you not seen the numerous videos of police in other countries disarming people with knives without using guns? Interesting that for once a 15 second video has justified something to one of the biggest proponents of “let’s wait on all the facts and not make our assumptions from a short video” on this board.  
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon HeadstoniaPosts: 25,911
    static111 said:
    static111 said:
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.yahoo.com/amphtml/columbus-police-fatally-shoot-person-222318319.html Can’t stop won’t stop. They killed a 15 year old black girl that reportedly called them for help. How much is enough? Will it ever end?
    Have you seen the video? Still think this is the same?

    I have and I don’t. 
    Yes and yes.   According to other accounts besides the official police story these were grown women harassing a 16 year old.  If that is the case that girl was absolutely justified to defend herself.  It seems like for some people the first time a Black life has ever mattered to them is when it justifies a police officer taking another one. Have you not seen the numerous videos of police in other countries disarming people with knives without using guns? Interesting that for once a 15 second video has justified something to one of the biggest proponents of “let’s wait on all the facts and not make our assumptions from a short video” on this board.  
    I'm sure knife-disarming happens, but in this particular incident, it looked like the stabbing was imminent. 
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  • static111static111 Posts: 2,507
    static111 said:
    static111 said:
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.yahoo.com/amphtml/columbus-police-fatally-shoot-person-222318319.html Can’t stop won’t stop. They killed a 15 year old black girl that reportedly called them for help. How much is enough? Will it ever end?
    Have you seen the video? Still think this is the same?

    I have and I don’t. 
    Yes and yes.   According to other accounts besides the official police story these were grown women harassing a 16 year old.  If that is the case that girl was absolutely justified to defend herself.  It seems like for some people the first time a Black life has ever mattered to them is when it justifies a police officer taking another one. Have you not seen the numerous videos of police in other countries disarming people with knives without using guns? Interesting that for once a 15 second video has justified something to one of the biggest proponents of “let’s wait on all the facts and not make our assumptions from a short video” on this board.  
    I'm sure knife-disarming happens, but in this particular incident, it looked like the stabbing was imminent. 
    So a 16 year old is not allowed to defend herself from a group of grown women?
  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 5,981
    static111 said:
    static111 said:
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.yahoo.com/amphtml/columbus-police-fatally-shoot-person-222318319.html Can’t stop won’t stop. They killed a 15 year old black girl that reportedly called them for help. How much is enough? Will it ever end?
    Have you seen the video? Still think this is the same?

    I have and I don’t. 
    Yes and yes.   According to other accounts besides the official police story these were grown women harassing a 16 year old.  If that is the case that girl was absolutely justified to defend herself.  It seems like for some people the first time a Black life has ever mattered to them is when it justifies a police officer taking another one. Have you not seen the numerous videos of police in other countries disarming people with knives without using guns? Interesting that for once a 15 second video has justified something to one of the biggest proponents of “let’s wait on all the facts and not make our assumptions from a short video” on this board.  
    So where did she get the knife? It was a kitchen knife, my guess is she went back inside the house to get it then returned outside for the confrontation. Does she have the right to do that? Or once inside the safety of her home should she not go back out, armed, with the intent to stab someone?
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon HeadstoniaPosts: 25,911
    static111 said:
    static111 said:
    static111 said:
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.yahoo.com/amphtml/columbus-police-fatally-shoot-person-222318319.html Can’t stop won’t stop. They killed a 15 year old black girl that reportedly called them for help. How much is enough? Will it ever end?
    Have you seen the video? Still think this is the same?

    I have and I don’t. 
    Yes and yes.   According to other accounts besides the official police story these were grown women harassing a 16 year old.  If that is the case that girl was absolutely justified to defend herself.  It seems like for some people the first time a Black life has ever mattered to them is when it justifies a police officer taking another one. Have you not seen the numerous videos of police in other countries disarming people with knives without using guns? Interesting that for once a 15 second video has justified something to one of the biggest proponents of “let’s wait on all the facts and not make our assumptions from a short video” on this board.  
    I'm sure knife-disarming happens, but in this particular incident, it looked like the stabbing was imminent. 
    So a 16 year old is not allowed to defend herself from a group of grown women?
    please point to where I said anything remotely like that. 
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  • tbergstbergs Posts: 7,907
    static111 said:
    static111 said:
    static111 said:
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.yahoo.com/amphtml/columbus-police-fatally-shoot-person-222318319.html Can’t stop won’t stop. They killed a 15 year old black girl that reportedly called them for help. How much is enough? Will it ever end?
    Have you seen the video? Still think this is the same?

    I have and I don’t. 
    Yes and yes.   According to other accounts besides the official police story these were grown women harassing a 16 year old.  If that is the case that girl was absolutely justified to defend herself.  It seems like for some people the first time a Black life has ever mattered to them is when it justifies a police officer taking another one. Have you not seen the numerous videos of police in other countries disarming people with knives without using guns? Interesting that for once a 15 second video has justified something to one of the biggest proponents of “let’s wait on all the facts and not make our assumptions from a short video” on this board.  
    I'm sure knife-disarming happens, but in this particular incident, it looked like the stabbing was imminent. 
    So a 16 year old is not allowed to defend herself from a group of grown women?
    When actively being threatened, yes, but the person supposedly defending themself is the only active aggressor at the time the police arrive.

    This type of victim turned suspect is most common in domestic situations. Self defense is used in response to previous violence and stems from fear of future violence based on the cycle repeating itself. It's hard to prove then, even harder in this case. The girl with the knife knows the cops are there so her escalation of the incident while trying to claim self defense would have been completely bullshit. 
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • static111static111 Posts: 2,507
    What y’all think of this if true? Since most of the time y’all are talking about waiting for all the facts?
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 20,849
    edited April 24
    then the foster mom should have been reported to childrens services.

    so I gather then it was the father that kicked that woman in the head
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  • static111static111 Posts: 2,507
    mickeyrat said:
    then the foster mom should have reported to childrens services.

    so I gather then it was the father that kicked that woman in the head
    Yes obviously at the minimum the foster mom should have called child services.  If instead she called grown women to threaten a child I think she deserves some serious punishment. Along with the cop rolling up guns blazing.  As so many here say when things look bad for the cops “let’s wait til we see it from both sides”.  I’m guessing we will find many people are responsible for the death of a Black minor female.
  • PJNBPJNB New BrunswickPosts: 8,330
    static111 said:
    What y’all think of this if true? Since most of the time y’all are talking about waiting for all the facts?
    My opinion does not change on how the cop reacted. He did not have access to all of this info when he was at the scene and even if he did the girl had a knife and was trying to actively stab someone with it. 

    Now if this story is true how do I feel about the situation? Pretty fucking heartbreaking. That said would this girl not have gone to jail for life for stabbing and killing the other girl if the cop does not come to her aid? 
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 20,849
    dad essentially approved of his daughter fighting an adult
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  • lindamarie73lindamarie73 Posts: 177
    CM189191 said:
    PJNB said:
    CM189191 said:
    static111 said:
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.yahoo.com/amphtml/columbus-police-fatally-shoot-person-222318319.html Can’t stop won’t stop. They killed a 15 year old black girl that reportedly called them for help. How much is enough? Will it ever end?
    Have you seen the video? Still think this is the same?

    I have and I don’t. 

    Police shouldn't be killing anyone.  I don't understand why this is a controversial statement.
    We need to find a better way of policing.
    In a perfect world I would agree but we do not live in that world. What would you suggest the officer of done in that video that would of saved all of the lives in the altercation? You have to factor in the odds of whatever you suggest not working out too and someone else being wounded or killed due to the inaction or weak response. You also have to factor in the cop is rolling up to the chaotic scene and does not have the luxury of sitting back pressing pause and weighing all of their options. That is where training comes in I guess but that was a human decision made to save a life and I think with the info we have was the right one. 





    I'm not talking about a perfect world.  Just every. other. nation.

    It only happens here.  In the US.  We live in a police state.  Where police kill citizens with impunity and immunity.

    https://www.prisonpolicy.org/blog/2020/06/05/policekillings/
    https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/how-police-compare-different-democracies
    https://www.statista.com/statistics/1124039/police-killings-rate-selected-countries/

    The police could have, and should have tried literally anything else.  Anything that wasn't pulling a gun and murdering a citizen.  Literally any other response.  Why is it always kill kill kill?
    Totally, a little ferry dust and a few unicorn farts would have been a better use Of force option here....Thank God there are Cops that are still willing to lay it all on the line for such a ungrateful public.  
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 27,590
    CM189191 said:
    PJNB said:
    CM189191 said:
    static111 said:
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.yahoo.com/amphtml/columbus-police-fatally-shoot-person-222318319.html Can’t stop won’t stop. They killed a 15 year old black girl that reportedly called them for help. How much is enough? Will it ever end?
    Have you seen the video? Still think this is the same?

    I have and I don’t. 

    Police shouldn't be killing anyone.  I don't understand why this is a controversial statement.
    We need to find a better way of policing.
    In a perfect world I would agree but we do not live in that world. What would you suggest the officer of done in that video that would of saved all of the lives in the altercation? You have to factor in the odds of whatever you suggest not working out too and someone else being wounded or killed due to the inaction or weak response. You also have to factor in the cop is rolling up to the chaotic scene and does not have the luxury of sitting back pressing pause and weighing all of their options. That is where training comes in I guess but that was a human decision made to save a life and I think with the info we have was the right one. 





    I'm not talking about a perfect world.  Just every. other. nation.

    It only happens here.  In the US.  We live in a police state.  Where police kill citizens with impunity and immunity.

    https://www.prisonpolicy.org/blog/2020/06/05/policekillings/
    https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/how-police-compare-different-democracies
    https://www.statista.com/statistics/1124039/police-killings-rate-selected-countries/

    The police could have, and should have tried literally anything else.  Anything that wasn't pulling a gun and murdering a citizen.  Literally any other response.  Why is it always kill kill kill?
    Totally, a little ferry dust and a few unicorn farts would have been a better use Of force option here....Thank God there are Cops that are still willing to lay it all on the line for such a ungrateful public.  
    Don’t cops wear body armor? Aren’t they supposed to insert themselves in harms way, lay down their life for others? Oh no, they don’t want to get their hands dirty or their hair mussed up.

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    Fucking great I have 4 hrs left on night shift and now I have Triumph playing in my head. 
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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 14,820
    static111 said:
    static111 said:
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.yahoo.com/amphtml/columbus-police-fatally-shoot-person-222318319.html Can’t stop won’t stop. They killed a 15 year old black girl that reportedly called them for help. How much is enough? Will it ever end?
    Have you seen the video? Still think this is the same?

    I have and I don’t. 
    Yes and yes.   According to other accounts besides the official police story these were grown women harassing a 16 year old.  If that is the case that girl was absolutely justified to defend herself.  It seems like for some people the first time a Black life has ever mattered to them is when it justifies a police officer taking another one. Have you not seen the numerous videos of police in other countries disarming people with knives without using guns? Interesting that for once a 15 second video has justified something to one of the biggest proponents of “let’s wait on all the facts and not make our assumptions from a short video” on this board.  
    Always glad to wait for all the facts.  My point being is the video shown, to me, supports this being very different from most of the other recent high profile cases. 

    This is a very different situation, and jumping to the conclusion of marching in the streets seems a little premature....since you know, they don’t have all the info or, more likely, don’t care.
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 24,706
    static111 said:
    What y’all think of this if true? Since most of the time y’all are talking about waiting for all the facts?
    Yep I blame the fucking foster bitch mom & all the vile chicks coming after a 16 year old girl & the cop too he could of just tased her..
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  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 14,609
    static111 said:
    What y’all think of this if true? Since most of the time y’all are talking about waiting for all the facts?
    IF true....

    The cops arriving should be in her favor. Her and her father could report this all to the cops. The little sister who called 911 could corroborate the story. And the three women, and especially the foster mom (who did seem unemotional in her interview on TV) could be in big, big trouble. 

    Instead, as the cops arrive, the father kicks a woman in the head and she tries to stab someone. 
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  • benjsbenjs Toronto, ONPosts: 8,360
    CM189191 said:
    PJNB said:
    CM189191 said:
    static111 said:
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.yahoo.com/amphtml/columbus-police-fatally-shoot-person-222318319.html Can’t stop won’t stop. They killed a 15 year old black girl that reportedly called them for help. How much is enough? Will it ever end?
    Have you seen the video? Still think this is the same?

    I have and I don’t. 

    Police shouldn't be killing anyone.  I don't understand why this is a controversial statement.
    We need to find a better way of policing.
    In a perfect world I would agree but we do not live in that world. What would you suggest the officer of done in that video that would of saved all of the lives in the altercation? You have to factor in the odds of whatever you suggest not working out too and someone else being wounded or killed due to the inaction or weak response. You also have to factor in the cop is rolling up to the chaotic scene and does not have the luxury of sitting back pressing pause and weighing all of their options. That is where training comes in I guess but that was a human decision made to save a life and I think with the info we have was the right one. 





    I'm not talking about a perfect world.  Just every. other. nation.

    It only happens here.  In the US.  We live in a police state.  Where police kill citizens with impunity and immunity.

    https://www.prisonpolicy.org/blog/2020/06/05/policekillings/
    https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/how-police-compare-different-democracies
    https://www.statista.com/statistics/1124039/police-killings-rate-selected-countries/

    The police could have, and should have tried literally anything else.  Anything that wasn't pulling a gun and murdering a citizen.  Literally any other response.  Why is it always kill kill kill?
    Totally, a little ferry dust and a few unicorn farts would have been a better use Of force option here....Thank God there are Cops that are still willing to lay it all on the line for such a ungrateful public.  
    I want them to stop reaching for guns before reasonable non-lethal forces are exhausted. I want them to fucking try this approach, and to watch it work or fail, rather than to make moronic comments insinuating that guns and unicorn farts and fairy dust (I fixed your shitty spelling) are the only options available to a cop.

    As for the cops sticking around, maybe they can differentiate between right from wrong? Or maybe they understand that they aren't living up to their mantra (To Serve and Protect). Or maybe they're not snowflakes like you and know that the public has a right to criticize public services when it's warranted.
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  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 5,981
    benjs said:
    CM189191 said:
    PJNB said:
    CM189191 said:
    static111 said:
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.yahoo.com/amphtml/columbus-police-fatally-shoot-person-222318319.html Can’t stop won’t stop. They killed a 15 year old black girl that reportedly called them for help. How much is enough? Will it ever end?
    Have you seen the video? Still think this is the same?

    I have and I don’t. 

    Police shouldn't be killing anyone.  I don't understand why this is a controversial statement.
    We need to find a better way of policing.
    In a perfect world I would agree but we do not live in that world. What would you suggest the officer of done in that video that would of saved all of the lives in the altercation? You have to factor in the odds of whatever you suggest not working out too and someone else being wounded or killed due to the inaction or weak response. You also have to factor in the cop is rolling up to the chaotic scene and does not have the luxury of sitting back pressing pause and weighing all of their options. That is where training comes in I guess but that was a human decision made to save a life and I think with the info we have was the right one. 





    I'm not talking about a perfect world.  Just every. other. nation.

    It only happens here.  In the US.  We live in a police state.  Where police kill citizens with impunity and immunity.

    https://www.prisonpolicy.org/blog/2020/06/05/policekillings/
    https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/how-police-compare-different-democracies
    https://www.statista.com/statistics/1124039/police-killings-rate-selected-countries/

    The police could have, and should have tried literally anything else.  Anything that wasn't pulling a gun and murdering a citizen.  Literally any other response.  Why is it always kill kill kill?
    Totally, a little ferry dust and a few unicorn farts would have been a better use Of force option here....Thank God there are Cops that are still willing to lay it all on the line for such a ungrateful public.  
    I want them to stop reaching for guns before reasonable non-lethal forces are exhausted. I want them to fucking try this approach, and to watch it work or fail, rather than to make moronic comments insinuating that guns and unicorn farts and fairy dust (I fixed your shitty spelling) are the only options available to a cop.

    As for the cops sticking around, maybe they can differentiate between right from wrong? Or maybe they understand that they aren't living up to their mantra (To Serve and Protect). Or maybe they're not snowflakes like you and know that the public has a right to criticize public services when it's warranted.
    So how many people should she be allowed to stab to death before moving beyond non-lethal force? In just a few seconds that other girl would have likely been dead. So saying he should have tried this, that, and the other thing also means you’re accepting at least 1 other girl is killed. So how many is the limit before he steps in?
  • benjsbenjs Toronto, ONPosts: 8,360
    mace1229 said:
    benjs said:
    CM189191 said:
    PJNB said:
    CM189191 said:
    static111 said:
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.yahoo.com/amphtml/columbus-police-fatally-shoot-person-222318319.html Can’t stop won’t stop. They killed a 15 year old black girl that reportedly called them for help. How much is enough? Will it ever end?
    Have you seen the video? Still think this is the same?

    I have and I don’t. 

    Police shouldn't be killing anyone.  I don't understand why this is a controversial statement.
    We need to find a better way of policing.
    In a perfect world I would agree but we do not live in that world. What would you suggest the officer of done in that video that would of saved all of the lives in the altercation? You have to factor in the odds of whatever you suggest not working out too and someone else being wounded or killed due to the inaction or weak response. You also have to factor in the cop is rolling up to the chaotic scene and does not have the luxury of sitting back pressing pause and weighing all of their options. That is where training comes in I guess but that was a human decision made to save a life and I think with the info we have was the right one. 





    I'm not talking about a perfect world.  Just every. other. nation.

    It only happens here.  In the US.  We live in a police state.  Where police kill citizens with impunity and immunity.

    https://www.prisonpolicy.org/blog/2020/06/05/policekillings/
    https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/how-police-compare-different-democracies
    https://www.statista.com/statistics/1124039/police-killings-rate-selected-countries/

    The police could have, and should have tried literally anything else.  Anything that wasn't pulling a gun and murdering a citizen.  Literally any other response.  Why is it always kill kill kill?
    Totally, a little ferry dust and a few unicorn farts would have been a better use Of force option here....Thank God there are Cops that are still willing to lay it all on the line for such a ungrateful public.  
    I want them to stop reaching for guns before reasonable non-lethal forces are exhausted. I want them to fucking try this approach, and to watch it work or fail, rather than to make moronic comments insinuating that guns and unicorn farts and fairy dust (I fixed your shitty spelling) are the only options available to a cop.

    As for the cops sticking around, maybe they can differentiate between right from wrong? Or maybe they understand that they aren't living up to their mantra (To Serve and Protect). Or maybe they're not snowflakes like you and know that the public has a right to criticize public services when it's warranted.
    So how many people should she be allowed to stab to death before moving beyond non-lethal force? In just a few seconds that other girl would have likely been dead. So saying he should have tried this, that, and the other thing also means you’re accepting at least 1 other girl is killed. So how many is the limit before he steps in?
    You don't think being tased would stop this person? Seriously?
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  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 5,981
    benjs said:
    mace1229 said:
    benjs said:
    CM189191 said:
    PJNB said:
    CM189191 said:
    static111 said:
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.yahoo.com/amphtml/columbus-police-fatally-shoot-person-222318319.html Can’t stop won’t stop. They killed a 15 year old black girl that reportedly called them for help. How much is enough? Will it ever end?
    Have you seen the video? Still think this is the same?

    I have and I don’t. 

    Police shouldn't be killing anyone.  I don't understand why this is a controversial statement.
    We need to find a better way of policing.
    In a perfect world I would agree but we do not live in that world. What would you suggest the officer of done in that video that would of saved all of the lives in the altercation? You have to factor in the odds of whatever you suggest not working out too and someone else being wounded or killed due to the inaction or weak response. You also have to factor in the cop is rolling up to the chaotic scene and does not have the luxury of sitting back pressing pause and weighing all of their options. That is where training comes in I guess but that was a human decision made to save a life and I think with the info we have was the right one. 





    I'm not talking about a perfect world.  Just every. other. nation.

    It only happens here.  In the US.  We live in a police state.  Where police kill citizens with impunity and immunity.

    https://www.prisonpolicy.org/blog/2020/06/05/policekillings/
    https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/how-police-compare-different-democracies
    https://www.statista.com/statistics/1124039/police-killings-rate-selected-countries/

    The police could have, and should have tried literally anything else.  Anything that wasn't pulling a gun and murdering a citizen.  Literally any other response.  Why is it always kill kill kill?
    Totally, a little ferry dust and a few unicorn farts would have been a better use Of force option here....Thank God there are Cops that are still willing to lay it all on the line for such a ungrateful public.  
    I want them to stop reaching for guns before reasonable non-lethal forces are exhausted. I want them to fucking try this approach, and to watch it work or fail, rather than to make moronic comments insinuating that guns and unicorn farts and fairy dust (I fixed your shitty spelling) are the only options available to a cop.

    As for the cops sticking around, maybe they can differentiate between right from wrong? Or maybe they understand that they aren't living up to their mantra (To Serve and Protect). Or maybe they're not snowflakes like you and know that the public has a right to criticize public services when it's warranted.
    So how many people should she be allowed to stab to death before moving beyond non-lethal force? In just a few seconds that other girl would have likely been dead. So saying he should have tried this, that, and the other thing also means you’re accepting at least 1 other girl is killed. So how many is the limit before he steps in?
    You don't think being tased would stop this person? Seriously?
    Not when you have about 0.3 seconds to save a life, no.

    https://www.npr.org/2019/06/27/729922975/despite-widespread-use-police-rate-tasers-as-less-effective-than-believed
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 20,849
     
    Chauvin juror: After intense trial, verdict was 'easy part'
    By AMY FORLITI and DOUG GLASS
    Today

    MINNEAPOLIS (AP) — A juror who cast one of the unanimous votes to convict a white former Minneapolis police officer in George Floyd's death said Wednesday that deliberations were relaxed and methodical as he and 11 other jurors quickly talked their way to agreement in parts of just two days.

    Brandon Mitchell was the first juror who deliberated to come forward publicly since Derek Chauvin was convicted April 20 of second- and third-degree murder and second-degree manslaughter, following an alternate juror who wasn't part of deliberations. Mitchell, who is Black, said the jury room was a relief after three weeks of emotional testimony that he described as “like a funeral” day after day.

    “It’s not human nature to watch people die," Mitchell said in an interview with The Associated Press, describing testimony that day after day included video of Floyd's desperate cries as he was held down by Chauvin. “You know you want to be able to help somebody... watching the same person die every day, and you see his family member in the (courtroom).”

    Prosecutors said Chauvin pinned Floyd, a Black man, to the pavement outside Cup Foods in Minneapolis for 9 minutes, 29 seconds on May 25. Floyd had been accused of passing a counterfeit $20 bill at the store. Three other officers, since fired, face trial in August.

    Prosecutors played a wide range of videos for the jury, including teenager Darnella Frazier’s bystander video that was seen worldwide in the hours after Floyd’s death. That video and the officers’ body camera video recorded bystanders shouting at Chauvin and the other officers to get off Floyd, warning that they were cutting off his breathing and asking them to check for a pulse.

    “It's cold in the room. It just feels dark,” Mitchell said of the weeks of testimony. “It felt like a funeral in there... The decision was the easy part.”

    Mitchell, 31, a high school basketball coach, recounted his jury experience in a round of interviews with multiple media outlets, including telling ABC's “Good Morning America” that he thought verdicts could have been reached even faster: “I felt like it should have been 20 minutes,” he said.

    In his interview with AP, Mitchell described jurors settling down to work the afternoon after sitting through hours of closing arguments. They elected a foreperson, he said, “then we went straight to manslaughter,” with a preliminary vote and soon a final vote.

    They then broke and came back the second day, and started with the third-degree murder charge.

    “That took a little bit more time,” Mitchell said, calling the language of the statute “a little bit tricky.” After about four hours on that, he said, jurors then reached agreement in just half an hour on second-degree murder. He said the group simply worked its way through jury instructions in checklist fashion.

    Mitchell described video footage as “for sure” the strongest part of the prosecution case, followed closely by Dr. Martin Tobin, a breathing expert whom he said “kind of set it over the top” with a convincing and easily understood explanation of how Floyd was unable to breathe due to the restraint.

    Mitchell said he thought Chauvin attorney Eric Nelson “actually did an OK job.”

    “I just don't think they had any, they didn't have an avenue to go down,” he said. “They threw a bunch of things out there just to see what would stick" but none did.

    "Their opening statement and some of their early arguments were very, were so good that I was very curious and was waiting for that moment, for that kind of a-ha moment.... that just never happened,” Mitchell said.

    Mitchell said he thought Nelson's frequent portrayal of about 15 bystanders as a potential threat to officers was “a good idea.”

    “The only issue is that nobody seemed hostile,” he said. He said he was befuddled by one sequence in testimony when Nelson asked a state investigative agent whether Floyd could be heard saying “I ate too many drugs” on a snippet of body camera video. The agent later reversed himself, saying he didn't think that was what Floyd had said.

    “I didn't really understand it,” Mitchell said.

    Chauvin chose not to testify, a decision Mitchell said he didn't think affected the final outcome: “I think the evidence was too much.”

    Mitchell said he felt no pressure to reach a verdict that would lessen the chance of violent protests, and didn't think the other jurors did, either. He said he was only vaguely aware of the police shooting of Black motorist Daunte Wright in nearby Brooklyn Center that set off a week of raucous protest in that city in the midst of the trial.

    Mitchell hid his involvement in the Chauvin trial from the kids on his basketball team, saying they knew he was on a jury but not that case. He said his mother and siblings knew.

    “They wanted me to stay on the jury, so they avoided (talking about the case) like the Black Plague,” Mitchell said. He said he was relieved to now be able to talk about the case.

    He was reluctant to predict what will happen to three other fired officers charged in Floyd's death: Thomas Lane, J. Kueng and Tou Thao, who all face a joint trial in August.

    “Their cases are going to be very different," he said, noting Lane asking at one point whether Floyd should be turned. “It’s really hard to tell how much they really, uh, participated in the events. It’s really not as easy… as the Chauvin trial was.”

    Mitchell called his participation in the trial “eye-opening” but hesitated when asked whether it had also been life-changing.

    “Hopefully, it sparks a lot of change in my community,” he said.

    ___

    Find AP’s full coverage of the death of George Floyd at: https://apnews.com/hub/death-of-george-floyd


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    Treated with particular cruelty': Minnesota attorney general requests severe sentence for Derek Chauvin in George Floyd killing

    Michael James
    USA TODAY


     

    Minnesota's attorney general filed paperwork Friday asking that Derek Chauvin be given a more severe prison sentence in the killing of George Floyd, arguing that the former Minneapolis police officer inflicted torturous deadly methods as Floyd pleaded for his life.

    Chauvin, who is scheduled to be sentenced in June for second-degree murder and other charges, abused his power as a police officer in full view of the public and while Floyd was handcuffed and crying out for his mother, state Attorney General Keith Ellison said in a legal brief filed in Minnesota's Hennepin County District Court.

    “Mr. Floyd was treated with particular cruelty . . . Defendant continued to maintain his position atop Mr. Floyd even as Mr. Floyd cried out that he was in pain, even as Mr. Floyd exclaimed 27 times that he could not breathe, and even as Mr. Floyd said that Defendant’s actions were killing him,” Ellison said. He added that Chauvin stayed in position as Floyd cried out for his mother, stopped speaking and lost consciousness.

    Prosecutors also wrote that Chauvin's actions "inflicted gratuitous pain" and psychological distress not just on Floyd, but the civilian bystanders who they argued will be haunted by the memory of what they saw.

    Four of the people in the crowd watching Floyd die were minors, the court filing said.



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  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 4,042
    CM189191 said:
    PJNB said:
    CM189191 said:
    static111 said:
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.yahoo.com/amphtml/columbus-police-fatally-shoot-person-222318319.html Can’t stop won’t stop. They killed a 15 year old black girl that reportedly called them for help. How much is enough? Will it ever end?
    Have you seen the video? Still think this is the same?

    I have and I don’t. 

    Police shouldn't be killing anyone.  I don't understand why this is a controversial statement.
    We need to find a better way of policing.
    In a perfect world I would agree but we do not live in that world. What would you suggest the officer of done in that video that would of saved all of the lives in the altercation? You have to factor in the odds of whatever you suggest not working out too and someone else being wounded or killed due to the inaction or weak response. You also have to factor in the cop is rolling up to the chaotic scene and does not have the luxury of sitting back pressing pause and weighing all of their options. That is where training comes in I guess but that was a human decision made to save a life and I think with the info we have was the right one. 





    I'm not talking about a perfect world.  Just every. other. nation.

    It only happens here.  In the US.  We live in a police state.  Where police kill citizens with impunity and immunity.

    https://www.prisonpolicy.org/blog/2020/06/05/policekillings/
    https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/how-police-compare-different-democracies
    https://www.statista.com/statistics/1124039/police-killings-rate-selected-countries/

    The police could have, and should have tried literally anything else.  Anything that wasn't pulling a gun and murdering a citizen.  Literally any other response.  Why is it always kill kill kill?


    The US is a much more dangerous country than the other western nations. We have double to triple the violent crime compared to counties like Canada, UK or France. Add to that the disgusting amount of guns here, legal and illegal, and the number of places where it’s completely legal to carry a gun concealed.

    Sure, in any particular example we should hope the cops can find a way to not kill, but to fix this problem, we all need to try to understand America is much different than other western democracies when it comes to crime and guns. Cops know in many cases their jobs are more like working in Syria than Fifth Avenue. Maybe Syria is hyperbole and Fifth Avenue is more dangerous than it seems because Trump could kill someone, but his people would applaud that anyway.
  • jerparker20jerparker20 St. Paul, MNPosts: 2,101
    Well, it’s looking like there could be a chance the verdict in the Chauvin case is tossed. Possibly the whole trial.... #52 maybe should have stayed off the TV...

    https://www.kstp.com/news/chauvin-attorney-files-motion-for-new-trial/6096678/?cat=1
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