White Privilege

PJNB

Damn Tebow started in 2011? Where did the time go? Thats nuts. 

erebus

Maybe the NFL will have a chat with Snyder in D.C about his team name while they are being warm and fuzzy and cleaning everything up

cutz

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/amphtml/davidmack/salem-oregon-cop-warn-white-armed-men-playing-favorites?__twitter_impression=true

A Cop Was Filmed Telling Armed White Men To Avoid Arrest "So We Don't Look Like We're Playing Favorites"

The video of the officer warning armed white men who were protecting a store has prompted a public apology from the chief of police in Salem, Oregon

The police chief in Salem, Oregon, has apologized after a viral video showed one of his officers telling a group of armed white men protecting a store to shelter inside to avoid being arrested for violating a curfew so officers "don't look like [they're] playing favorites."

"We're going to really enforce the citywide curfew shutdown so we can arrest anybody walking around," the unidentified officer tells the men. "My command wanted me to come talk to you guys and request that you guys secrete people inside the businesses or in your vehicles somewhere where it's not a violation ... so we don't look like we're playing favorites."

He adds, "That would be unhealthy."

https://twitter.com/Satellit3Heart/status/1268863536299675648?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fd-38642773244208440014.ampproject.net%2F2005152259000%2Fframe.html

brianlux

cutz said:

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/amphtml/davidmack/salem-oregon-cop-warn-white-armed-men-playing-favorites?__twitter_impression=true

A Cop Was Filmed Telling Armed White Men To Avoid Arrest "So We Don't Look Like We're Playing Favorites"

The video of the officer warning armed white men who were protecting a store has prompted a public apology from the chief of police in Salem, Oregon

The police chief in Salem, Oregon, has apologized after a viral video showed one of his officers telling a group of armed white men protecting a store to shelter inside to avoid being arrested for violating a curfew so officers "don't look like [they're] playing favorites."

"We're going to really enforce the citywide curfew shutdown so we can arrest anybody walking around," the unidentified officer tells the men. "My command wanted me to come talk to you guys and request that you guys secrete people inside the businesses or in your vehicles somewhere where it's not a violation ... so we don't look like we're playing favorites."

He adds, "That would be unhealthy."

https://twitter.com/Satellit3Heart/status/1268863536299675648?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fd-38642773244208440014.ampproject.net%2F2005152259000%2Fframe.html

They just keep digging their hole deeper. 

Red Mosqito

gimmesometruth27 said:

white privilege is never having to say you are sorry.

Tell that to my wife!

Glorified KC

I just finished watching this.  It’s so disturbing how so much of this parallels today’s injustices and the response by the leaders of the “free world.”

hedonist

cdthomas1981 said:

I just finished watching this.  It’s so disturbing how so much of this parallels today’s injustices and the response by the leaders of the “free world.”

I watched that the other night. It was horrific here, all around, and I will never, ever forget it, from spark to flame. 

Almost 30 years later...how much has changed? Improved?

Glorified KC

hedonist said:

cdthomas1981 said:

I just finished watching this.  It’s so disturbing how so much of this parallels today’s injustices and the response by the leaders of the “free world.”

I watched that the other night. It was horrific here, all around, and I will never, ever forget it, from spark to flame. 

Almost 30 years later...how much has changed? Improved?

Not a whole lot.  It's pretty ironic the Attorney General was William Barr in 1992 and is AG again today.  Bush's speech was just as ignorant as Trump's.  Very frustrating.

jpgoegel

the last 10 minutes or so were very uplifting.  people coming together to help out, again that paralells today.   we just can't be satisfied when all is cleaned up this time :( 

brianlux

jpgoegel said:

the last 10 minutes or so were very uplifting.  people coming together to help out, again that paralells today.   we just can't be satisfied when all is cleaned up this time :( 

Bummer it's not available on Netflix DVD.  I would like to see it.

By the way, cool avatar photo.  Who is that?  You? Someone else?

jpgoegel

It's Mike Ness from Social Distortion

brianlux

jpgoegel said:

It's Mike Ness from Social Distortion

SD!  Got it!

brianlux

Meme seen on Facebook.  Reads like an incomplete sentence to me but the message is clear:

hedonist

I wonder if these statues and the like should remain, to serve as reminders?  I mean, you can't erase history just by beheading a statue or defacing a (now-defunct) monument.  Why not let it serve a useful, educational purpose in the now?

Kinda parallels what I lived as a kid - "Where do you learn good manners?  From the impolite."

(And those types of sentences infuriate me!)

joseph33

I feel that the statues should be kept in museums,not in public. America has come a long way,were still young compared to a lot of other countries. We still have a ways to go. And I still love her despite all of her flaws.

tbergs

hedonist said:

I wonder if these statues and the like should remain, to serve as reminders?  I mean, you can't erase history just by beheading a statue or defacing a (now-defunct) monument.  Why not let it serve a useful, educational purpose in the now?

Kinda parallels what I lived as a kid - "Where do you learn good manners?  From the impolite."

(And those types of sentences infuriate me!)

I was thinking about this too. We definitely don't need buildings, bases or statues in honor of these people, but I also have that saying in my head, "those who don't learn from the past are doomed (condemned) to repeat it." I think there does need to be physical reminders, just not celebrated ones.

DarthMaeglin

A quick google doesn’t really yield what I was looking for, but I’ll ask my question nonetheless.

 I get the anger directed at memorials dedicated to Confederate individuals (generals and such), but personally I would draw a distinction between those and more general memorials to the fallen soldiers in general (which I’ve read have been targets of vandalism). Can such a distinction be made?

The parallel I was looking for was memorials to fallen German soldiers in WWII. The closest I could find was the war graves, otherwise it was memorials to the Nazis victims (who absolutely need to be remembered just as the victims of the Confederacy should be). I honestly believe the individual soldiers on all sides deserve honouring (but don’t necessarily mind if the leaders get hung).

 I only recently became aware that tens of thousands of Canadians crossed south and fought on both sides of the American Civil War, and there’s a monument that commemorates all who fought. Now if we can get more recognition for the Canadians who fought in Vietnam, but I’m really starting to stray off topic.

Edit: I did find a reddit thread where enough people chime in that German war dead (from WWII) are honoured at a local level with modest memorials (plaques at cemeteries and the like). There were sufficient responses about this that I’m content that they were factual.

Glorified KC

joseph33 said:

I feel that the statues should be kept in museums,not in public. America has come a long way,were still young compared to a lot of other countries. We still have a ways to go. And I still love her despite all of her flaws.

I was thinking the same thing.  I don’t condone ripping them down in protest and would rather see them come down through a proper process.  

brianlux

hedonist said:

I wonder if these statues and the like should remain, to serve as reminders?  I mean, you can't erase history just by beheading a statue or defacing a (now-defunct) monument.  Why not let it serve a useful, educational purpose in the now?

Kinda parallels what I lived as a kid - "Where do you learn good manners?  From the impolite."

(And those types of sentences infuriate me!)

Not a bad argument.

Another idea would be to dress them up a bit to make them look cool!

mace1229

I do think it’s a shame to destroy statues that are 100+ years old. But if a large population is taking offensive to it them I would agree a museum is better than destroying them. Maybe reinstate them in public was race relations are better.

If I remember right, a few years ago a statue honoring the average confederate soldier was destroyed. Most confederates were poor and didn’t own slaves, I see nothing wrong with honoring all who died.

I also believe founding fathers should still have public memorials, even if they owned slaves. None were perfect, and I believe in honoring and remembering them. No one has suggested tearing down the pyramids because they were built by slaves and honor Pharos who owned thousands of slaves. Same with pretty much nations/empireA up until 1800.  I don’t think we should remove statues and monuments honoring Jefferson and Washington and the like.