Everyone’s a comedian on Twitter. Absolutely ridiculous tweet.
I don’t understand that a person who doesn’t realize color is a bad person now…
Not a bad person, but perhaps an ignorant one. They are proud of their heritage. Proud of who they are. If they are of different colour they want you to recognize that. To say “I don’t see colour” is disingenuous and, quite frankly, just plain lazy. The person saying it (who is always white) means they treat everyone the same and therefore aren’t racist all the while not recognizing their own white privilege in life.
Recognize who they are and understand they are different. They don’t want to be seen or treated as “similar” because the inherent systemic problems will still exist. The statement allows white folks to lie to themselves that they aren’t part of the problem, simply because “they don’t see colour”.
If you believe it “doesn’t matter” you are sadly mistaken. It does matter. It matters as much to them as your heritage does to you. People are different and trust me in this, asking questions and learning about those differences will enrich your own life both personally and professionally.
I’ve only learned this in the last few years by talking to people. I was one of those white folks who once said “I don’t see colour”. It’s an asinine statement of course. There are words for the different races of humanity and you learn them at a pretty young age.
So my thought on this. I grew up in a “ghetto” and was a mixing pot. Color was never an issue if you were also struggling. You were all people trying to make it.
The answers I see here were never in my shoes and I need to understand that and not take it heart as most people didn’t live like I did and won’t get it.
For those that grew up like this, color wasn’t a thing. We didn’t see color, just our struggles. It gave us all an appreciation for each other.
How do you know no one was in your shoes or grew up like you? You make a lot of assumptions. Anyway, you only want to look at this through your own eyes and from your own life experience. Until you look at it through others eyes it is moot.
It’s kind of interesting for you to say no one here “was ever kn your shoes” and therefore you “didn’t see colour”. Basically, you feel like no one here is placing themselves in your shoes and understanding your point of view. At the same time you aren’t putting yourself in the shoes of the minority, who are asking for you (and all white people) to see the colour. See the differences. See the struggles they have had.
Just being white you get more chances in life: Facts are facts. I grew up piss poor as well. I was a pain in the ass trouble maker. I know if I was indigenous or black I would never have gotten so many second and third chances in life. No way no how. That is my white privilege. I got all those breaks simply by being born with this skin colour. Sounds fair right?
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Everyone’s a comedian on Twitter. Absolutely ridiculous tweet.
I don’t understand that a person who doesn’t realize color is a bad person now…
Not a bad person, but perhaps an ignorant one. They are proud of their heritage. Proud of who they are. If they are of different colour they want you to recognize that. To say “I don’t see colour” is disingenuous and, quite frankly, just plain lazy. The person saying it (who is always white) means they treat everyone the same and therefore aren’t racist all the while not recognizing their own white privilege in life.
Recognize who they are and understand they are different. They don’t want to be seen or treated as “similar” because the inherent systemic problems will still exist. The statement allows white folks to lie to themselves that they aren’t part of the problem, simply because “they don’t see colour”.
If you believe it “doesn’t matter” you are sadly mistaken. It does matter. It matters as much to them as your heritage does to you. People are different and trust me in this, asking questions and learning about those differences will enrich your own life both personally and professionally.
I’ve only learned this in the last few years by talking to people. I was one of those white folks who once said “I don’t see colour”. It’s an asinine statement of course. There are words for the different races of humanity and you learn them at a pretty young age.
So my thought on this. I grew up in a “ghetto” and was a mixing pot. Color was never an issue if you were also struggling. You were all people trying to make it.
The answers I see here were never in my shoes and I need to understand that and not take it heart as most people didn’t live like I did and won’t get it.
For those that grew up like this, color wasn’t a thing. We didn’t see color, just our struggles. It gave us all an appreciation for each other.
I think we need to decide here what we mean by "not seeing color".
I once lived in a high rise apartment building in the south end of San Francisco. Knowing what kind of place S.F. is today, it may be hard to believe this, but that was basically a ghetto back then. My building was about 80% black, 15% Asian, 5% other. I was an "other". I mixed fine those those folks and never got treated badly, nor treated anyone differently. In fact, once when I was dirt poor, one week I sold some records to these black dudes living on a different floor. They were cool, paid me some cash and gave me a handful of drugs (which a couch surfer crashing at my place took all at once and told me later it was "a trip". Strange days.)
Anyway, when it came to being neighbors, everyone was cool there. So maybe that's what it means to "not see colors".
On the other hand, the guys that bought my records were black. Their pad had a whole different vibe than mine did and I thought that was cool. The Asians kind of kept to themselves and had their mannerism which were somewhat unique. I have no problem remembering the black dudes as being black and the Asians as what we then referred to as "yellow", and me being white. No big deal. We were all different, but we all got along and were cool.
So what is this "see not color" thing anywa? Are we supposed to pretend there are no white, blacks, yellows, tans? Let's see what Native American musician Link Wray had to say about all that:
"Ice People"
Ice people They're just made of ice They don't treat Their fellow man very nice
You wear your hair long As Jesus did They'll crucify you You're not part of the establishment
You stand up for your rights They'll call you a fool If you don't go to war You're not living by the golden rule
Ice people They're just made of ice They don't treat Their fellow man very nice
The red man lives and dies on the reservation And the black man just lives anywhere he can And the poor white man he doesn't live any where at all He can't say I'm red, I'm black, I'm yellow, I'm tanned
We're all caught up together
Like the buffalo on the plains We're just shooting sport for ice people We're just their game
Ice people They're just made of ice They don't treat Their fellow man very nice
Well, I'd say Link had no problem with seeing colors and at the same time understood well how people of different colors often have the same troubles.
"Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!" -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
Everyone’s a comedian on Twitter. Absolutely ridiculous tweet.
I don’t understand that a person who doesn’t realize color is a bad person now…
Not a bad person, but perhaps an ignorant one. They are proud of their heritage. Proud of who they are. If they are of different colour they want you to recognize that. To say “I don’t see colour” is disingenuous and, quite frankly, just plain lazy. The person saying it (who is always white) means they treat everyone the same and therefore aren’t racist all the while not recognizing their own white privilege in life.
Recognize who they are and understand they are different. They don’t want to be seen or treated as “similar” because the inherent systemic problems will still exist. The statement allows white folks to lie to themselves that they aren’t part of the problem, simply because “they don’t see colour”.
If you believe it “doesn’t matter” you are sadly mistaken. It does matter. It matters as much to them as your heritage does to you. People are different and trust me in this, asking questions and learning about those differences will enrich your own life both personally and professionally.
I’ve only learned this in the last few years by talking to people. I was one of those white folks who once said “I don’t see colour”. It’s an asinine statement of course. There are words for the different races of humanity and you learn them at a pretty young age.
So my thought on this. I grew up in a “ghetto” and was a mixing pot. Color was never an issue if you were also struggling. You were all people trying to make it.
The answers I see here were never in my shoes and I need to understand that and not take it heart as most people didn’t live like I did and won’t get it.
For those that grew up like this, color wasn’t a thing. We didn’t see color, just our struggles. It gave us all an appreciation for each other.
How do you know no one was in your shoes or grew up like you? You make a lot of assumptions. Anyway, you only want to look at this through your own eyes and from your own life experience. Until you look at it through others eyes it is moot.
It’s kind of interesting for you to say no one here “was ever kn your shoes” and therefore you “didn’t see colour”. Basically, you feel like no one here is placing themselves in your shoes and understanding your point of view. At the same time you aren’t putting yourself in the shoes of the minority, who are asking for you (and all white people) to see the colour. See the differences. See the struggles they have had.
Just being white you get more chances in life: Facts are facts. I grew up piss poor as well. I was a pain in the ass trouble maker. I know if I was indigenous or black I would never have gotten so many second and third chances in life. No way no how. That is my white privilege. I got all those breaks simply by being born with this skin colour. Sounds fair right?
No matter what I say will be wrong so I’ll just drop it.
Everyone’s a comedian on Twitter. Absolutely ridiculous tweet.
I don’t understand that a person who doesn’t realize color is a bad person now…
Not a bad person, but perhaps an ignorant one. They are proud of their heritage. Proud of who they are. If they are of different colour they want you to recognize that. To say “I don’t see colour” is disingenuous and, quite frankly, just plain lazy. The person saying it (who is always white) means they treat everyone the same and therefore aren’t racist all the while not recognizing their own white privilege in life.
Recognize who they are and understand they are different. They don’t want to be seen or treated as “similar” because the inherent systemic problems will still exist. The statement allows white folks to lie to themselves that they aren’t part of the problem, simply because “they don’t see colour”.
If you believe it “doesn’t matter” you are sadly mistaken. It does matter. It matters as much to them as your heritage does to you. People are different and trust me in this, asking questions and learning about those differences will enrich your own life both personally and professionally.
I’ve only learned this in the last few years by talking to people. I was one of those white folks who once said “I don’t see colour”. It’s an asinine statement of course. There are words for the different races of humanity and you learn them at a pretty young age.
So my thought on this. I grew up in a “ghetto” and was a mixing pot. Color was never an issue if you were also struggling. You were all people trying to make it.
The answers I see here were never in my shoes and I need to understand that and not take it heart as most people didn’t live like I did and won’t get it.
For those that grew up like this, color wasn’t a thing. We didn’t see color, just our struggles. It gave us all an appreciation for each other.
How do you know no one was in your shoes or grew up like you? You make a lot of assumptions. Anyway, you only want to look at this through your own eyes and from your own life experience. Until you look at it through others eyes it is moot.
It’s kind of interesting for you to say no one here “was ever kn your shoes” and therefore you “didn’t see colour”. Basically, you feel like no one here is placing themselves in your shoes and understanding your point of view. At the same time you aren’t putting yourself in the shoes of the minority, who are asking for you (and all white people) to see the colour. See the differences. See the struggles they have had.
Just being white you get more chances in life: Facts are facts. I grew up piss poor as well. I was a pain in the ass trouble maker. I know if I was indigenous or black I would never have gotten so many second and third chances in life. No way no how. That is my white privilege. I got all those breaks simply by being born with this skin colour. Sounds fair right?
No matter what I say will be wrong so I’ll just drop it.
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Everyone’s a comedian on Twitter. Absolutely ridiculous tweet.
I don’t understand that a person who doesn’t realize color is a bad person now…
Not a bad person, but perhaps an ignorant one. They are proud of their heritage. Proud of who they are. If they are of different colour they want you to recognize that. To say “I don’t see colour” is disingenuous and, quite frankly, just plain lazy. The person saying it (who is always white) means they treat everyone the same and therefore aren’t racist all the while not recognizing their own white privilege in life.
Recognize who they are and understand they are different. They don’t want to be seen or treated as “similar” because the inherent systemic problems will still exist. The statement allows white folks to lie to themselves that they aren’t part of the problem, simply because “they don’t see colour”.
If you believe it “doesn’t matter” you are sadly mistaken. It does matter. It matters as much to them as your heritage does to you. People are different and trust me in this, asking questions and learning about those differences will enrich your own life both personally and professionally.
I’ve only learned this in the last few years by talking to people. I was one of those white folks who once said “I don’t see colour”. It’s an asinine statement of course. There are words for the different races of humanity and you learn them at a pretty young age.
So my thought on this. I grew up in a “ghetto” and was a mixing pot. Color was never an issue if you were also struggling. You were all people trying to make it.
The answers I see here were never in my shoes and I need to understand that and not take it heart as most people didn’t live like I did and won’t get it.
For those that grew up like this, color wasn’t a thing. We didn’t see color, just our struggles. It gave us all an appreciation for each other.
How do you know no one was in your shoes or grew up like you? You make a lot of assumptions. Anyway, you only want to look at this through your own eyes and from your own life experience. Until you look at it through others eyes it is moot.
It’s kind of interesting for you to say no one here “was ever kn your shoes” and therefore you “didn’t see colour”. Basically, you feel like no one here is placing themselves in your shoes and understanding your point of view. At the same time you aren’t putting yourself in the shoes of the minority, who are asking for you (and all white people) to see the colour. See the differences. See the struggles they have had.
Just being white you get more chances in life: Facts are facts. I grew up piss poor as well. I was a pain in the ass trouble maker. I know if I was indigenous or black I would never have gotten so many second and third chances in life. No way no how. That is my white privilege. I got all those breaks simply by being born with this skin colour. Sounds fair right?
No matter what I say will be wrong so I’ll just drop it.
I’m not saying your “wrong”. I’m merely suggesting you to look at it from another point of view. The minorities want you to see their colour. As Brian’s post above indicates, that’s who they are. It is what makes them unique. Treating everyone “the same” could be seen as akin to subtle assimilation in their eyes.
Everyone’s a comedian on Twitter. Absolutely ridiculous tweet.
I don’t understand that a person who doesn’t realize color is a bad person now…
Not a bad person, but perhaps an ignorant one. They are proud of their heritage. Proud of who they are. If they are of different colour they want you to recognize that. To say “I don’t see colour” is disingenuous and, quite frankly, just plain lazy. The person saying it (who is always white) means they treat everyone the same and therefore aren’t racist all the while not recognizing their own white privilege in life.
Recognize who they are and understand they are different. They don’t want to be seen or treated as “similar” because the inherent systemic problems will still exist. The statement allows white folks to lie to themselves that they aren’t part of the problem, simply because “they don’t see colour”.
If you believe it “doesn’t matter” you are sadly mistaken. It does matter. It matters as much to them as your heritage does to you. People are different and trust me in this, asking questions and learning about those differences will enrich your own life both personally and professionally.
I’ve only learned this in the last few years by talking to people. I was one of those white folks who once said “I don’t see colour”. It’s an asinine statement of course. There are words for the different races of humanity and you learn them at a pretty young age.
So my thought on this. I grew up in a “ghetto” and was a mixing pot. Color was never an issue if you were also struggling. You were all people trying to make it.
The answers I see here were never in my shoes and I need to understand that and not take it heart as most people didn’t live like I did and won’t get it.
For those that grew up like this, color wasn’t a thing. We didn’t see color, just our struggles. It gave us all an appreciation for each other.
How do you know no one was in your shoes or grew up like you? You make a lot of assumptions. Anyway, you only want to look at this through your own eyes and from your own life experience. Until you look at it through others eyes it is moot.
It’s kind of interesting for you to say no one here “was ever kn your shoes” and therefore you “didn’t see colour”. Basically, you feel like no one here is placing themselves in your shoes and understanding your point of view. At the same time you aren’t putting yourself in the shoes of the minority, who are asking for you (and all white people) to see the colour. See the differences. See the struggles they have had.
Just being white you get more chances in life: Facts are facts. I grew up piss poor as well. I was a pain in the ass trouble maker. I know if I was indigenous or black I would never have gotten so many second and third chances in life. No way no how. That is my white privilege. I got all those breaks simply by being born with this skin colour. Sounds fair right?
No matter what I say will be wrong so I’ll just drop it.
This is tricky. If you’re right this time, then you’d be wrong? But if you’re wrong that makes you right?
I don’t get why race is being brought j to this? Weren’t all the victims white too?
I feel like as recent as two years ago, the left would take this exact same situation and use it to push for stricter gun laws. “A 17-year-old shows up in another state with an AR-15, legally, in the middle of a riot, and two people got killed. ‘Self-defense’ or not.” But now they’re all-in on this race stuff.
I don’t get why race is being brought j to this? Weren’t all the victims white too?
I feel like as recent as two years ago, the left would take this exact same situation and use it to push for stricter gun laws. “A 17-year-old shows up in another state with an AR-15, legally, in the middle of a riot, and two people got killed. ‘Self-defense’ or not.” But now they’re all-in on this race stuff.
where has screaming about gun reform gotten "the left"? absolutely nowhere.
"Oh Canada...you're beautiful when you're drunk" -EV 8/14/93
I don’t get why race is being brought j to this? Weren’t all the victims white too?
I feel like as recent as two years ago, the left would take this exact same situation and use it to push for stricter gun laws. “A 17-year-old shows up in another state with an AR-15, legally, in the middle of a riot, and two people got killed. ‘Self-defense’ or not.” But now they’re all-in on this race stuff.
where has screaming about gun reform gotten "the left"? absolutely nowhere.
Agreed, But I don’t know where they expect to get calling everything racist and white supremacy.
I don’t get why race is being brought j to this? Weren’t all the victims white too?
I feel like as recent as two years ago, the left would take this exact same situation and use it to push for stricter gun laws. “A 17-year-old shows up in another state with an AR-15, legally, in the middle of a riot, and two people got killed. ‘Self-defense’ or not.” But now they’re all-in on this race stuff.
where has screaming about gun reform gotten "the left"? absolutely nowhere.
Agreed, But I don’t know where they expect to get calling everything racist and white supremacy.
it's not new to call the justice system inherently racist. because it is.
But I agree with you. I would have thought that this would be a perfect opportunity to call out the weapon used.
"Oh Canada...you're beautiful when you're drunk" -EV 8/14/93
I don’t get why race is being brought j to this? Weren’t all the victims white too?
because the justice system protects white perps. not white victims. unless the perp is not white.
OJ Simpson is perplexed by this comment. But you are right, that has been the overall history of our justice system.
being a celebrity is one of the asterisks.
The other one is wealth or the ability to hire the best of the best, sometimes multiples of them, to defend you. $2M was raised and spent to defend Rittenhouse. Equal justice under the law, sure.
Holy shit, anyone believe for a moment that if Rittenhouse were black, and the victims were black, that he’d have the support that he received, the judge would have ruled from the bench as he did and the jury would have ruled the same? Are you fucking kidding me?
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I don’t get why race is being brought j to this? Weren’t all the victims white too?
because the justice system protects white perps. not white victims. unless the perp is not white.
What specifically did he benefit from by his race in this trial? He was attacked, he defended himself. It was clear self defense and 12 random strangers who sat and looked at evidence for 3 weeks agreed.
He shouldn’t have been there, but that doesn’t equal murder. This whole thing of they don’t convince white people doesn’t make sense. Steven Avery agrees.
I don’t get why race is being brought j to this? Weren’t all the victims white too?
because the justice system protects white perps. not white victims. unless the perp is not white.
What specifically did he benefit from by his race in this trial? He was attacked, he defended himself. It was clear self defense and 12 random strangers who sat and looked at evidence for 3 weeks agreed.
He shouldn’t have been there, but that doesn’t equal murder. This whole thing of they don’t convince white people doesn’t make sense. Steven Avery agrees.
To the justice system, some cops and lots of people:
A black man with a gun is seen as a threat and instigating immediately. Heck sometimes just a black man without the gun.
A white man with a gun is not seen as a threat.
I’ll never understand that if you go out somewhere, not your home, with a gun…somehow that isn’t threatening. But it is, especially in that environment. I’d be threatened by someone carrying a gun in that situation for sure. So you being a gun instigating a threat then people are concerned about you having a gun and try to do something about it and then you can kill them in “self defense”? How about not driving out of your way with a gun to instigate the shooting?
Fuck Kyle. I wish him nothing but the worst in life.
what does her post even mean? Is she upset that beyond a reasonable doubt is the standard?
The "justice" system was designed by white males to ensure that other white males would profit and be protected. Kyle profited from being white. From that night in Kenosha all the way to the verdict. Had Kyle been black, this would have had a different outcome. There is nothing "reasonable" about this regarding race.
what does her post even mean? Is she upset that beyond a reasonable doubt is the standard?
The "justice" system was designed by white males to ensure that other white males would profit and be protected. Kyle profited from being white. From that night in Kenosha all the way to the verdict. Had Kyle been black, this would have had a different outcome. There is nothing "reasonable" about this regarding race.
How does a shooting involving white people have anything to do with that? If he was black, yeah maybe he would have been guilty. But that means nothing because it's hypothetical. I mean is she saying that every white person acquitted from here on out is a beneficiary of white privilege even when the 'victims' are white? Is she saying that POC should not ever go to trial? IMO she is turning a crime that has zero to do with race, into a racial crime.
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It’s kind of interesting for you to say no one here “was ever kn your shoes” and therefore you “didn’t see colour”. Basically, you feel like no one here is placing themselves in your shoes and understanding your point of view. At the same time you aren’t putting yourself in the shoes of the minority, who are asking for you (and all white people) to see the colour. See the differences. See the struggles they have had.
maker. I know if I was indigenous or black I would never have gotten so many second and third chances in life. No way no how. That is my white privilege. I got all those breaks simply by being born with this skin colour. Sounds fair right?
They're just made of ice
They don't treat
Their fellow man very nice
As Jesus did
They'll crucify you
You're not part of the establishment
They'll call you a fool
If you don't go to war
You're not living by the golden rule
They're just made of ice
They don't treat
Their fellow man very nice
And the black man just lives anywhere he can
And the poor white man he doesn't live any where at all
He can't say I'm red, I'm black, I'm yellow, I'm tanned
We're just shooting sport for ice people
We're just their game
They're just made of ice
They don't treat
Their fellow man very nice
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
Brian does pose a very good question though....
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-EV 8/14/93
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But I agree with you. I would have thought that this would be a perfect opportunity to call out the weapon used.
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A white man with a gun is not seen as a threat.
I’ll never understand that if you go out somewhere, not your home, with a gun…somehow that isn’t threatening. But it is, especially in that environment. I’d be threatened by someone carrying a gun in that situation for sure. So you being a gun instigating a threat then people are concerned about you having a gun and try to do something about it and then you can kill them in “self defense”? How about not driving out of your way with a gun to instigate the shooting?
Fuck Kyle. I wish him nothing but the worst in life.
what does her post even mean? Is she upset that beyond a reasonable doubt is the standard?