So I never knew that about Kerr's father in Beiruit. How the hell did I ever miss that story?
I really want a part 2 now. I am sure they have tons of footage left.
I knew about that when I read the college basketball book "A Season Inside" by John Feinstein. It is a book going behind the scenes of the 1987-88 season and Feinstein basically wrote chapters on the all the major figures of the game then and some other and the whole backstory of Kerr's father and how he wound up at Arizona is in that book.
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"I play good, hard-nosed basketball.
Things happen in the game. Nothing you
can do. I don't go and say,
"I'm gonna beat this guy up."
The comment Miller made about the 1997-1998 Pacers being the better team really had me thinking too. Chicago won 62 games and that was without Scottie for the first 2 months of the season. I'd have to think more about this, but my initial impulse is to disagree with Miller. If not for the game 4 winning shot (which should not have happened, he clearly pushed off of Jordan), that series never sees a game 7.
Yeah I didn’t like that either. I never like when someone from the losing team says they were better than the team they lost to. But from Reggie’s perspective, the Bulls had to seem ripe for the picking...between fatigue from the Bulls’ three-straight title runs, Pippen’s back, and Rodman being on the cusp of being completely washed. But they had MJ, which renders most other weaknesses moot.
That pacers team was stacked though. I remember them always playing the Knicks tough and they whooped them 4-1 that year.
That was a great Pacers team and with the talent they had they very well should have beat the Bulls.
That was pretty much the same team they had rolled out the 3 years prior, except now a deeper bench and Larry Bird as the HC. I would agree Indiana was the deeper team, but there's no one on the Pacers I would take before Jordan or Pippen. Rodman was still rebounding and defending at a high level. Kukoc always gets overlooked, but was a player ahead of his time. If Toni had played in today's NBA, he would be the perfect stretch 4. Chris Mullin was past his prime. Reggie was a tremendous shooter, but I would disagree with the earlier comment comparing him to Curry. He's nowhere near the ball handler Curry is. Both the Pacers and Jazz caught breaks in those playoffs (Reggie's no-call push off and Pippen's back against Utah). The Bulls could have and should have won both series within 5 games.
The reason I compare him to Curry is the movement he would do in a game. He was always moving, running, using a pick to create space. All the things that Curry does now Reggie was doing 20 years ago.
But Curry's way better at creating his own shot. They always had to run Reggie around picks. Sometimes many picks where he'd start on one wing, runs off of double Davis-brother picks underneath, and pop open in the opposite corner or wing. Bill Simmons laid it out in his book how this was sort of to the Pacers' detriment. Since Reggie didn't really take guys off the dribble, the whole offense had to be catered around finding ways to get him the ball in space.
Or he needed Mark Jackson to drive and kick out to him. Don't get me wrong, Reggie was unique in his time given the league was so inside-out at that time. I think you can make comparisons to Reggie (Ray Allen, Allan Houston, Peja Stojakovic) where it's more difficult with Steph.
Yeah good point on the inside-out way of play in that era and Reggie being an outlier. He’d kill it today. But I still think Steph is better overall as a playmaker.
You guys should go back and watch how much Miller ran around the court. That is what I mean by him being like Curry.
I'll definitely go back and check it out. I'd like to rewatch some more of the Bulls-Pacers series, but also the Knicks-Pacers games from 1994 and 1995.
I wish I was a sacrifice, but somehow still lived on.
You guys should go back and watch how much Miller ran around the court. That is what I mean by him being like Curry.
I'll definitely go back and check it out. I'd like to rewatch some more of the Bulls-Pacers series, but also the Knicks-Pacers games from 1994 and 1995.
Knicks Pacers Bulls games were always battles. All 3 teams were competitors and very fun to watch.
You guys should go back and watch how much Miller ran around the court. That is what I mean by him being like Curry.
I'll definitely go back and check it out. I'd like to rewatch some more of the Bulls-Pacers series, but also the Knicks-Pacers games from 1994 and 1995.
Knicks Pacers Bulls games were always battles. All 3 teams were competitors and very fun to watch.
I always felt those late 90’s Heat teams were kinda in that category too. They had some great, high-seeded teams in 97, 98, and 99 with Mourning, Hardaway, and Mashburn (with Riley coaching). But they couldn’t get it done in the playoffs.
You guys should go back and watch how much Miller ran around the court. That is what I mean by him being like Curry.
I'll definitely go back and check it out. I'd like to rewatch some more of the Bulls-Pacers series, but also the Knicks-Pacers games from 1994 and 1995.
Knicks Pacers Bulls games were always battles. All 3 teams were competitors and very fun to watch.
I always felt those late 90’s Heat teams were kinda in that category too. They had some great, high-seeded teams in 97, 98, and 99 with Mourning, Hardaway, and Mashburn (with Riley coaching). But they couldn’t get it done in the playoffs.
Think of all the fun teams in the 90's. Lakers w Magic early and then Kobe and Shaq later, Dallas started to become good w Kidd and Jackson, Barkleys teams w Phoenix and Rockets. Seattle had Kemp and Payton oh and Detlef Schrempf! The Spurs were no slouch either. There was a very high caliber for some teams and others were just very, very bad.
Oh and I HATED Nick Van Excel and LOVED Eddie jones. I was upset when he left the lakers. He was one of my favorite players on a fastbreak.
The mid-90's Magic teams too. The Hawks with Nique in his prime. The Warriors had Run TMC (Tim Hardaway, Mitch Richmond and Chris Mullin), honestly any team coached by Don Nelson was fun to watch. I was just looking up some stats on the 97-98 season and somehow ended up on the Phoenix Suns that year. They won 56 games and had both Jason Kidd and Steve Nash on that club.
I wish I was a sacrifice, but somehow still lived on.
Somehow this play didn't make into the documentary at any point. One of my Pippen nit-picks from this otherwise perfect documentary. It's from Michael's "double-nickel" game.
I wonder if MJ didn’t retire for those two years would the bulls have won eight in a row?
I don’t think so but I guess it depends on Phil Jackson
I don't think so either. 3-peats are difficult enough. I just don't see 8 in a row because they would stumble somewhere. I think that 94 Rockets team might have won even if they played Jordan and the Bulls.
The only reason the Rockets won is because Jordan wasn't around.
The Knicks had that series but messed up.
Not really. The Rockets were a bad match up for those Bulls teams. Jordan himself had doubts about Chicago's ability to beat the Rockets. In the first 3-peat, the Rockets went 5-1 against the Bulls. Nobody on the Rockets could stop Jordan, but Vernon Maxwell was a good enough defender to be a pain in his ass. The Bulls had nobody that would have been able to stop Olajuwon one on one. Jackson didn't like double teaming, so Olajuwon would have had a field day against them. Even if they did double team Olajuwon, Houston was one of the best 3-point shooting teams that year, so he would be able to kick it back out to a good shooter. It might have been a 7 game series, but I still think Houston would have won in 94.
I wonder if MJ didn’t retire for those two years would the bulls have won eight in a row?
I don’t think so but I guess it depends on Phil Jackson
I don't think so either. 3-peats are difficult enough. I just don't see 8 in a row because they would stumble somewhere. I think that 94 Rockets team might have won even if they played Jordan and the Bulls.
The only reason the Rockets won is because Jordan wasn't around.
The Knicks had that series but messed up.
Not really. The Rockets were a bad match up for those Bulls teams. Jordan himself had doubts about Chicago's ability to beat the Rockets. In the first 3-peat, the Rockets went 5-1 against the Bulls. Nobody on the Rockets could stop Jordan, but Vernon Maxwell was a good enough defender to be a pain in his ass. The Bulls had nobody that would have been able to stop Olajuwon one on one. Jackson didn't like double teaming, so Olajuwon would have had a field day against them. Even if they did double team Olajuwon, Houston was one of the best 3-point shooting teams that year, so he would be able to kick it back out to a good shooter. It might have been a 7 game series, but I still think Houston would have won in 94.
That would have been an incredible series to watch. Hakeem is my favorite big man who ever played. Dude doesn't get enough recognition in my opinion. He retired as the career leader in blocks, if I'm not mistaken, and his skill set in the post is the best I've ever seen. Just ask the admiral...
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I wish I was a sacrifice, but somehow still lived on.
The mid-90's Magic teams too. The Hawks with Nique in his prime. The Warriors had Run TMC (Tim Hardaway, Mitch Richmond and Chris Mullin), honestly any team coached by Don Nelson was fun to watch. I was just looking up some stats on the 97-98 season and somehow ended up on the Phoenix Suns that year. They won 56 games and had both Jason Kidd and Steve Nash on that club.
I wonder if MJ didn’t retire for those two years would the bulls have won eight in a row?
I don’t think so but I guess it depends on Phil Jackson
I don't think so either. 3-peats are difficult enough. I just don't see 8 in a row because they would stumble somewhere. I think that 94 Rockets team might have won even if they played Jordan and the Bulls.
The only reason the Rockets won is because Jordan wasn't around.
The Knicks had that series but messed up.
Not really. The Rockets were a bad match up for those Bulls teams. Jordan himself had doubts about Chicago's ability to beat the Rockets. In the first 3-peat, the Rockets went 5-1 against the Bulls. Nobody on the Rockets could stop Jordan, but Vernon Maxwell was a good enough defender to be a pain in his ass. The Bulls had nobody that would have been able to stop Olajuwon one on one. Jackson didn't like double teaming, so Olajuwon would have had a field day against them. Even if they did double team Olajuwon, Houston was one of the best 3-point shooting teams that year, so he would be able to kick it back out to a good shooter. It might have been a 7 game series, but I still think Houston would have won in 94.
That would have been an incredible series to watch. Hakeem is my favorite big man who ever played. Dude doesn't get enough recognition in my opinion. He retired as the career leader in blocks, if I'm not mistaken, and his skill set in the post is the best I've ever seen. Just ask the admiral...
Olajawon had the best feet of any big man ever. Other centers would seek him out and practice with him.
Now that the whole series is available I'm ready to binge.... Excellent doc... less than halfway through, but can already say I think Phil Jackson was the coolest person in the NBA.
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With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Somehow this play didn't make into the documentary at any point. One of my Pippen nit-picks from this otherwise perfect documentary. It's from Michael's "double-nickel" game.
They should have showed Kukoc’s third quarter in game 7 against the Pacers. I re-watched that game last week and he kept them in the game and allowed MJ to rest. B.S. that wasn’t included. Would have taken only a minute.
I was thinking the same thing. They don't win that game without Kukoc's effort.
Yeah i was very surprised they didnt mention Kukoc. He won that game.
Now that the whole series is available I'm ready to binge.... Excellent doc... less than halfway through, but can already say I think Phil Jackson was the coolest person in the NBA.
Seems like he really understood that you can’t manage everyone the same. More coaches should be like that. No way Rodman gets away with some of the stuff he pulled with any other coach, but there’s also no way any other coach gets that kind of production out of him from 96-98.
I'm a bit behind on the series....I just watched episodes 7-8 last night.
I had kind of forgotten the story behind MJ leaving the Bulls and playing baseball and then returning. I was at Market Square Arena when MJ played his first game back. That place was insane. I also completely forgot that he was wearing #45 that night. I can't believe that was 25 years ago. It was a great victory for the Pacers though....that game at least.
I do remember thinking at the time that I was watching a piece of history.
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My favorite time seeing Jordan was during the 72-10 year. That team was so in sync that night it was almost mindless. Jordan had 48. Didnt even bother checking into the game after the 3rd quarter.
"Game 6: The Movie” Wed night on ESPN. It will use archived material from the NBA, featuring exclusive, never-before-seen game footage by five different cameras, per ESPN. It will use the original commentary over “new and innovative views of the historic game.”
"Game 6: The Movie” Wed night on ESPN. It will use archived material from the NBA, featuring exclusive, never-before-seen game footage by five different cameras, per ESPN. It will use the original commentary over “new and innovative views of the historic game.”
Wow. Looking forward to that.
The commentary was just okay. My issue with Bob Costas is that he’s a radio play by play guy calling a TV game. “Jordan....dribbles four times to his left....”.
I saw Jordan play for the Wizards when I was 9 years old in 2002. I was a huge Iverson fan at the time and the game was in DC so all I cared about was Iverson outplaying Jordan so I could strut my Iverson jersey in front of all the Wizards fans on the way out. Iverson had more points and the Sixers won so I was satisfied. Looking back though, it had to be one of Jordan’s better games as a Wizard. He had 30 points, 8 rebounds, 6 assists, 2 steals and a block. Meanwhile Iverson had 34 points and not much else, so Jordan probably played the better game overall. Looking back I wish I was a little more appreciative that I was watching the greatest player to ever live, but it’s still cool knowing that I got to watch him in-person and even on a night where he was able to manage a Bulls-era level performance.
Another fun fact about that game: Eric Snow had 19 points, 8 rebounds, and 9 assists, which I can only assume is the closest he’s ever come to a triple double.
Not one mention from Luc Longley during this whole thing.
Not that it matters but would have been nice to here the Aussie speak.
Yeah he was conspicuously absent. Nothing Bulls-related from Harper either. Though his “fuck this bullshit” line about not getting to guard MJ on the Ehlo shot was gold.
Not one mention from Luc Longley during this whole thing.
Not that it matters but would have been nice to here the Aussie speak.
Yeah he was conspicuously absent. Nothing Bulls-related from Harper either. Though his “fuck this bullshit” line about not getting to guard MJ on the Ehlo shot was gold.
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Chicago 2007
Camden 2008 MSG 2008 MSG 2008 Hartford 2008.
Seattle 2009 Seattle 2009 Philadelphia 2009,Philadelphia 2009 Philadelphia 2009
Hartford 2010 MSG 2010 MSG 2010
Toronto 2011,Toronto 2011
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St. Paul, 1, St. Paul 2 2023
"I play good, hard-nosed basketball.
Things happen in the game. Nothing you
can do. I don't go and say,
"I'm gonna beat this guy up."
Pearl Jam bootlegs:
http://wegotshit.blogspot.com
Pearl Jam bootlegs:
http://wegotshit.blogspot.com
Oh and I HATED Nick Van Excel and LOVED Eddie jones. I was upset when he left the lakers. He was one of my favorite players on a fastbreak.
Pearl Jam bootlegs:
http://wegotshit.blogspot.com
I had kind of forgotten the story behind MJ leaving the Bulls and playing baseball and then returning. I was at Market Square Arena when MJ played his first game back. That place was insane. I also completely forgot that he was wearing #45 that night. I can't believe that was 25 years ago. It was a great victory for the Pacers though....that game at least.
I do remember thinking at the time that I was watching a piece of history.
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
Another fun fact about that game: Eric Snow had 19 points, 8 rebounds, and 9 assists, which I can only assume is the closest he’s ever come to a triple double.
Not that it matters but would have been nice to here the Aussie speak.
Pearl Jam bootlegs:
http://wegotshit.blogspot.com
Rodman was reluctant at first but then ended up sitting down for a few hours talking about it.
Jordan was the only person I noticed that had 2 different outfits on so most likely did 2 separate days of interviews.