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    So after 2 years they are finally going to report the truth…
    And it's not just death statistics that are reported like this. Hospitalization statistics are too. When you're admitted to a hospital, you automatically have to get tested for COVID. If you're positive, you're considered in the "hospitalized with COVID" group, even if you're asymptomatic and you're in the hospital for a broken leg. Even Fauci has confirmed this....

    "“But the other important thing is that if you look at the children who are hospitalized, many of them are hospitalized with Covid as opposed to because of Covid,” Fauci continued, emphasis added. “And what we mean by that — if a child goes in the hospital, they automatically get tested for Covid. And they get counted as a Covid-hospitalized individual. When in fact, they may go in for a broken leg or appendicitis or something like that. So, it’s over-counting the number of children who are, quote, ‘hospitalized with Covid,’ as opposed to because of Covid.”

    Quote is taken from this article: 
    Fauci Finally Admits Something About Covid-19 Others Have Been Censored for Saying (townhall.com)
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    Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom's Posts: 18,122
    I'm all for accurate stats but surely you realize that most of these people are going to the hospital because they have covid.

    My brother in law has been to the ER twice in the last week because of it.
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    I'm all for accurate stats but surely you realize that most of these people are going to the hospital because they have covid.

    My brother in law has been to the ER twice in the last week because of it.

    Yeah but the stats are still off because of overcounting. There should've been a clear distinction between "hospitalized BECAUSE of Covid" and "hospitalized WITH Covid" the entire time. 
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    Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom's Posts: 18,122
    I'm all for accurate stats but surely you realize that most of these people are going to the hospital because they have covid.

    My brother in law has been to the ER twice in the last week because of it.

    Yeah but the stats are still off because of overcounting. There should've been a clear distinction between "hospitalized BECAUSE of Covid" and "hospitalized WITH Covid" the entire time. 
    What about those who are "hospitalized with covid" when they arrive but they stay longer due to covid?

    Lots of stats to keep.

    I had a high school friend that went to the hospital for back surgery and died there from covid.  
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    IndifferenceIndifference Posts: 2,652
    I'm all for accurate stats but surely you realize that most of these people are going to the hospital because they have covid.

    My brother in law has been to the ER twice in the last week because of it.
    Not most in some cases its the other way around - plenty of other examples like this:

    Hospitals see more patients 'with COVID-19' vs. 'for COVID-19'

    Officials from New York City-based NYU Langone Health told The New York Times in a Jan. 4 report that about 65 percent of its COVID-19 patients were "incidentally" found to be infected after admission for other reasons

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    pjl44pjl44 Posts: 8,383
    I'm all for accurate stats but surely you realize that most of these people are going to the hospital because they have covid.

    My brother in law has been to the ER twice in the last week because of it.
    In MA, making that distinction decreased "COVID hospitalizations" by 50%. Almost 2 years of reporting that way. 2 years.

    https://boston.cbslocal.com/2022/01/21/massachusetts-covid-hospitalizations-report/
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    oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,844
    pjl44 said:
    I'm all for accurate stats but surely you realize that most of these people are going to the hospital because they have covid.

    My brother in law has been to the ER twice in the last week because of it.
    In MA, making that distinction decreased "COVID hospitalizations" by 50%. Almost 2 years of reporting that way. 2 years.

    https://boston.cbslocal.com/2022/01/21/massachusetts-covid-hospitalizations-report/
    No, this just is not correct. You can not extrapolate the percentages of  current admissions during the omicron wave to all hospitalizations over the last two years. We know that previous strains led to higher morbidity and mortality. 

    Also, and I really feel like I’m beating my head against the wall on this point, the distinction people are trying to make between hospitalized with and for covid is not that straightforward. We know that many patient populations have higher length of stay and worse outcomes even when “just” hospitalized with rather than for covid. It may be asymptomatic or mildly symptomatic when they get admitted but that doesn’t mean it conveniently stays asymptomatic the entire admission.  
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    IndifferenceIndifference Posts: 2,652
    pjl44 said:
    I'm all for accurate stats but surely you realize that most of these people are going to the hospital because they have covid.

    My brother in law has been to the ER twice in the last week because of it.
    In MA, making that distinction decreased "COVID hospitalizations" by 50%. Almost 2 years of reporting that way. 2 years.

    https://boston.cbslocal.com/2022/01/21/massachusetts-covid-hospitalizations-report/
    No, this just is not correct. You can not extrapolate the percentages of  current admissions during the omicron wave to all hospitalizations over the last two years. We know that previous strains led to higher morbidity and mortality. 

    Also, and I really feel like I’m beating my head against the wall on this point, the distinction people are trying to make between hospitalized with and for covid is not that straightforward. We know that many patient populations have higher length of stay and worse outcomes even when “just” hospitalized with rather than for covid. It may be asymptomatic or mildly symptomatic when they get admitted but that doesn’t mean it conveniently stays asymptomatic the entire admission.  
    The main issue is never given the stats - so everything posted here is pure speculation.  

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    oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,844
    pjl44 said:
    I'm all for accurate stats but surely you realize that most of these people are going to the hospital because they have covid.

    My brother in law has been to the ER twice in the last week because of it.
    In MA, making that distinction decreased "COVID hospitalizations" by 50%. Almost 2 years of reporting that way. 2 years.

    https://boston.cbslocal.com/2022/01/21/massachusetts-covid-hospitalizations-report/
    No, this just is not correct. You can not extrapolate the percentages of  current admissions during the omicron wave to all hospitalizations over the last two years. We know that previous strains led to higher morbidity and mortality. 

    Also, and I really feel like I’m beating my head against the wall on this point, the distinction people are trying to make between hospitalized with and for covid is not that straightforward. We know that many patient populations have higher length of stay and worse outcomes even when “just” hospitalized with rather than for covid. It may be asymptomatic or mildly symptomatic when they get admitted but that doesn’t mean it conveniently stays asymptomatic the entire admission.  
    The main issue is never given the stats - so everything posted here is pure speculation.  
    If by “everything posted here” you mean my post in particular, then no, we do have outcome data on some patient groups regarding LOS and complications. 
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    pjl44pjl44 Posts: 8,383
    pjl44 said:
    I'm all for accurate stats but surely you realize that most of these people are going to the hospital because they have covid.

    My brother in law has been to the ER twice in the last week because of it.
    In MA, making that distinction decreased "COVID hospitalizations" by 50%. Almost 2 years of reporting that way. 2 years.

    https://boston.cbslocal.com/2022/01/21/massachusetts-covid-hospitalizations-report/
    No, this just is not correct. You can not extrapolate the percentages of  current admissions during the omicron wave to all hospitalizations over the last two years. We know that previous strains led to higher morbidity and mortality. 

    Also, and I really feel like I’m beating my head against the wall on this point, the distinction people are trying to make between hospitalized with and for covid is not that straightforward. We know that many patient populations have higher length of stay and worse outcomes even when “just” hospitalized with rather than for covid. It may be asymptomatic or mildly symptomatic when they get admitted but that doesn’t mean it conveniently stays asymptomatic the entire admission.  
    I didn't mean to imply that 50% could be applied all the way back to March 2020. Was just lamenting how long it took to make that distinction.

    You're attempting to extrapolate in your second paragraph, however. The scenario you're laying out certainly happens but so do joint replacement patients with asymptomatic positives. Unless you have data on that, you're just making a biased guess.
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    pjl44pjl44 Posts: 8,383
    edited January 2022
    If you want to keep people from going to Joe Rogan on this topic, conduct yourself with humility when covid hospitalization data turns out to be inflated for some period of time in a very facepalm way. People can smell bullshit.
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    dignindignin Posts: 9,304
    pjl44 said:
    If you want to keep people from going to Joe Rogan on this topic, conduct yourself with humility when covid hospitalization data turns out to be inflated for some period of time in a very facepalm way. People can smell bullshit.
    You probably still think Rogan isn't dangerous.
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    brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 40,920
    pjl44 said:
    If you want to keep people from going to Joe Rogan on this topic, conduct yourself with humility when covid hospitalization data turns out to be inflated for some period of time in a very facepalm way. People can smell bullshit.

    Conspiracy theory.  That one has gotten stale.
    Move on.
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    IndifferenceIndifference Posts: 2,652
    dignin said:
    pjl44 said:
    If you want to keep people from going to Joe Rogan on this topic, conduct yourself with humility when covid hospitalization data turns out to be inflated for some period of time in a very facepalm way. People can smell bullshit.
    You probably still think Rogan isn't dangerous.
    Free speech is dangerous folks.

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    brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 40,920
    Neil Young would not refer to himself as "woke".  Come on people,  Jeez.
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    IndifferenceIndifference Posts: 2,652
    brianlux said:
    Neil Young would not refer to himself as "woke".  Come on people,  Jeez.
    Who refers to themselves that way? Hardly anyone, but given the general definition of woke I think he qualifies this week and I’ve listen to NY for over 30 years. Makes me sad.

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    IndifferenceIndifference Posts: 2,652
    But Snowden evil that what the government told me. Do have that right?

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    HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 36,043
    He was one of the foremost figures in the 60s and 70’s, that touted speaking out against the government and not trusting the government, questioning big brother, not following along with what the government tells you to do.  CSNY toured the “Freedom of Speech” tour jn 2006.  Evidently, those same hippies ib 2022 now say, don’t question the government, follow whatever the government says, do wha tet get the government says, and labels those who speak out against the government as dangerous and worthy of being silenced.  Imagine if Nixon in 1970 had told Neil to get a shot?  How about trump in 2018?  
    rogan can say what he wants about mandates, that's his right and his opinion. what NY and others are against, has absolutely zero to do with "do as the government says" 'which I keep seeing as this ridiculous talking point from the right. he is misinforming people about the supposed dangers of vaccines, touting treatments that are either unproven or unavailable to people who don't get paid $100 million. 

    that video I saw of rogan being fact checked live on his podcast? once he realized he was wrong, this is literally the first time ever, and I used to watch him a lot, where he questioned the source they were looking at. wonder why. 
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    HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 36,043
    if you read further down the snowden tweet, he's not defending joe. he's saying it's preposterous that people are blaming him for the anti-mask/anti-vaxxing going on in the US. 
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    cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,153
    Joe Rogan is a moron. That is all.
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    brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 40,920
    brianlux said:
    Neil Young would not refer to himself as "woke".  Come on people,  Jeez.
    Who refers to themselves that way? Hardly anyone, but given the general definition of woke I think he qualifies this week and I’ve listen to NY for over 30 years. Makes me sad.

    30 years, wow. 
    Well, 55 years here (starting with the Buffalo Springfield show I helped with running the main spot on Young).  But so what?  I'm proud of Neil for taking a stand.  Nothing new there.  And that has absolutely nothing to do with being "woke".  That's such a weak term anyway and an insult to the kind of reasonable stand Young is taking on COVID.
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    HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 36,043
    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
    Neil Young would not refer to himself as "woke".  Come on people,  Jeez.
    Who refers to themselves that way? Hardly anyone, but given the general definition of woke I think he qualifies this week and I’ve listen to NY for over 30 years. Makes me sad.

    30 years, wow. 
    Well, 55 years here (starting with the Buffalo Springfield show I helped with running the main spot on Young).  But so what?  I'm proud of Neil for taking a stand.  Nothing new there.  And that has absolutely nothing to do with being "woke".  That's such a weak term anyway and an insult to the kind of reasonable stand Young is taking on COVID.
    I just saw a post on NY's instagram promoting his music can be found on AMAZON MUSIC (caps are his) and touting how they are champions of high res digital music. 

    Oh, Neil. 
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    brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 40,920
    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
    Neil Young would not refer to himself as "woke".  Come on people,  Jeez.
    Who refers to themselves that way? Hardly anyone, but given the general definition of woke I think he qualifies this week and I’ve listen to NY for over 30 years. Makes me sad.

    30 years, wow. 
    Well, 55 years here (starting with the Buffalo Springfield show I helped with running the main spot on Young).  But so what?  I'm proud of Neil for taking a stand.  Nothing new there.  And that has absolutely nothing to do with being "woke".  That's such a weak term anyway and an insult to the kind of reasonable stand Young is taking on COVID.
    I just saw a post on NY's instagram promoting his music can be found on AMAZON MUSIC (caps are his) and touting how they are champions of high res digital music. 

    Oh, Neil. 

    Well, that does suck.  But of course you know how much I hate Amazon!
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    HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 36,043
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    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
    Neil Young would not refer to himself as "woke".  Come on people,  Jeez.
    Who refers to themselves that way? Hardly anyone, but given the general definition of woke I think he qualifies this week and I’ve listen to NY for over 30 years. Makes me sad.

    30 years, wow. 
    Well, 55 years here (starting with the Buffalo Springfield show I helped with running the main spot on Young).  But so what?  I'm proud of Neil for taking a stand.  Nothing new there.  And that has absolutely nothing to do with being "woke".  That's such a weak term anyway and an insult to the kind of reasonable stand Young is taking on COVID.
    I just saw a post on NY's instagram promoting his music can be found on AMAZON MUSIC (caps are his) and touting how they are champions of high res digital music. 

    Oh, Neil. 

    Well, that does suck.  But of course you know how much I hate Amazon!
    he even mentioned getting a 4 month free trial. it sounded like he was posting an ad. he did mention Apple Music at the end as well, but not in all caps, and just kind of a footnote. it was odd. almost like it was a paid spot. 

    edit: my bad, he did put apple in caps when he said "I LOVE APPLE". But it still seems to be overwhelmingly pro-amazon. 
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    Amazon has been leading the pack in bringing Hi-Res audio to the masses, and it’s a great place to enjoy my entire catalog in the highest quality available.

    Thanks also to Apple Music (I LOVE APPLE) and Qobuz for sticking with my High Res music. My music is also available in the highest quality at neilyoungarchives.com

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